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(Washington Post)   Now that Ted Cruz has promised to filibuster the budget bill, it has become physically impossible, according to the rules of the Senate and the law of time and space, for us to avoid a shutdown unless the House GOP caves, like, right now   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 345
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2013-09-23 04:22:31 PM
That will definitely happen.
 
2013-09-23 04:28:20 PM
The Canadian born Cuban is going to become a Tea Party folk hero...
 
2013-09-23 04:34:09 PM
DOOOOO EEEEEET!

/what could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-09-23 04:35:44 PM
Now rules matter to dems?
 
2013-09-23 04:43:32 PM

ferretman: Now rules matter to dems?


Considering the well-being of the nation has not mattered to Republicans for the past several decades, why should you be so concerned?
 
2013-09-23 05:01:41 PM
What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?
 
2013-09-23 05:04:27 PM

ferretman: Now rules matter to dems?


lolwut
 
2013-09-23 05:08:23 PM

ferretman: Now rules matter to dems?


*pats ferretman on the head*
 
2013-09-23 05:12:45 PM

mediablitz: The

Ivy-league educated Canadian born Cuban lawyer is going to become a Tea Party folk hero...

ftfy.
 
2013-09-23 05:23:51 PM
This is either going to happen or it will not. Worrying about it won't do me much good.
 
2013-09-23 05:24:43 PM

ferretman: Now rules matter to dems?


Aren't you adorable?
 
2013-09-23 05:25:40 PM

MisterTweak: mediablitz: The Ivy-league educated Canadian born Cuban lawyer is going to become a Tea Party folk hero...

ftfy.


Damn elitist foreigner...
 
2013-09-23 05:26:46 PM
I suppose it also would technically be possible to avoid if John McCain decides to break Ted Cruz's neck on the floor of the Senate, as that would forcibly punctuate the filibuster. However, that would be a significant breach of the usual Senate decorum.
 
2013-09-23 05:43:26 PM

abb3w: I suppose it also would technically be possible to avoid if John McCain decides to break Ted Cruz's neck on the floor of the Senate, as that would forcibly punctuate the filibuster. However, that would be a significant breach of the usual Senate decorum.


Just have the old man beat him with a cane. At least there's precedent for that.
 
2013-09-23 05:45:41 PM

Car_Ramrod: abb3w: I suppose it also would technically be possible to avoid if John McCain decides to break Ted Cruz's neck on the floor of the Senate, as that would forcibly punctuate the filibuster. However, that would be a significant breach of the usual Senate decorum.

Just have the old man beat him with a cane. At least there's precedent for that.


And getting away with it too
 
IP
2013-09-23 06:32:31 PM

ferretman: Now rules matter to dems?


wat.
 
2013-09-23 06:37:04 PM
www.thepaepae.com

/oblig
 
2013-09-23 06:45:54 PM

IP: ferretman: Now rules matter to dems?

wat.


He's a troll. Ignore him.
 
2013-09-23 06:56:46 PM

ferretman: Now rules matter to dems?


When didn't the rules matter to the Democratic Party as compared to the Republican Party? I'll take your inevitable lack of response as an admission of the 'bare assertion troll.'
 
2013-09-23 07:10:18 PM

ferretman: Now rules matter to dems?


Who's been feeding you live crickets.
 
2013-09-23 07:17:39 PM
Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.
 
IP
2013-09-23 07:19:08 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


0/10
 
2013-09-23 07:47:20 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


Fear, uncertainty, doubt.
 
2013-09-23 07:47:31 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


Try harder.
 
2013-09-23 07:47:37 PM
I'm hoping the President ignores their nonsense and orders the Fed to continue to pay their government's debts as required, on time.
 
2013-09-23 07:50:00 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


The monkeys flying out of your ass will probably find it pretty funny.
 
2013-09-23 07:50:12 PM
It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.
 
2013-09-23 07:50:16 PM
Wouldn't the CR fall under reconciliation, and therefore not be subject to cloture?
 
2013-09-23 07:52:58 PM

Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.


Bob?

i.huffpost.com
"And over here we're going to build a happy little troll..."
 
2013-09-23 07:54:07 PM

Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.


Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.
 
2013-09-23 07:54:36 PM

twat_waffle: Wouldn't the CR fall under reconciliation, and therefore not be subject to cloture?


I believe only after the CR has been voted on and has gone threw conference committee is it considered reconciliation and not therefore not subject to cloture.

I could be wrong. I am by no means a Senate rules expert.
 
2013-09-23 07:54:39 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


Hyuk hyuk
 
2013-09-23 07:54:42 PM
The Republican Shutdown. Bring it on.
 
2013-09-23 07:55:03 PM

Aristocles: BOB


I think at this point your goal is to derail all political threads into a bunch of posts of well known BOBs.
 
2013-09-23 07:55:04 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?


Most of the nonsense is being attached to the debt limit hike, I believe. There's a grab-bag of things that they're trying to get through as part of that fight, including immediately approval of the XL pipeline, gutting funding for the CFRB, dismantling various financial regulations, blocking the EPA's new rules and opening federal lands to energy production.
 
2013-09-23 07:55:15 PM
How about they force him to filibuster for 5 days straight instead of caving at every "threat to filibuster"
 
2013-09-23 07:55:26 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


Can we quote you on this?
 
2013-09-23 07:55:43 PM

Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.


Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-23 07:55:58 PM
Camera got them images
Camera got them all
Nothing's shocking..
 
2013-09-23 07:56:03 PM
Remember when the Republicans demanded the Senate pass a budget bill? They said it was SO important to pass a real budget and not pass things via CRs... Then the Senate did and the Republicans refused to have a reconcile committee because they would be forced to compromise and wouldn't be able to hold the US hostage to get their way.

No one is mentioning this is how we got here. If we passed a real budge like the Republicans were demanding for and then refused to do we wouldn't be having this problem now,
 
2013-09-23 07:56:53 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.


Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.
 
2013-09-23 07:57:41 PM
So Republicans are both FOR and AGAINST the same CR bill. Refused to go to reconciliation on the Budget bill with the Senate and we are supposed to try to believe it's Obama's fault?


Riiiiiight!
 
2013-09-23 07:57:48 PM

twat_waffle: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Bob?

[i.huffpost.com image 850x593]
"And over here we're going to build a happy little troll..."


+1111111111111^111111111111
 
2013-09-23 07:58:24 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?


Yes, it'll have a bunch of BS in it, like hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars being spent on tanks and planes the Pentagon neither needs nor wants while cutting spending on less important things like "education" and "infrastructure maintenance." Thing is, that's about as newsworthy and unexpected as the sun rising in the east, which is probably why you can't find too much information about the House's budget bill beyond the "prevent that uppity Chicago thug from winning at all costs, but we're totally not racist because we didn't use the N word to refer to the Usurper In Chief" part.

As far as I know, it's just an ordinary and unremarkable annual budget bill, except for the part that completely defunds Obamacare. And because of that last bit, the GOP have taken an otherwise routine bit of basic nation-state operations and turned it into the logical conclusion of the escalation of poison pill politics.

MisterTweak: mediablitz: The Ivy-league educated Canadian born Cuban lawyer whose father was a foreign-born commie is going to become a Tea Party folk hero...

ftfy.


Fixed further.
 
2013-09-23 07:59:51 PM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.


Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976
 
2013-09-23 08:00:08 PM

Corvus: Remember when the Republicans demanded the Senate pass a budget bill? They said it was SO important to pass a real budget and not pass things via CRs... Then the Senate did and the Republicans refused to have a reconcile committee because they would be forced to compromise and wouldn't be able to hold the US hostage to get their way.

No one is mentioning this is how we got here. If we passed a real budge like the Republicans were demanding for and then refused to do we wouldn't be having this problem now,


You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?
 
2013-09-23 08:00:52 PM

Aristocles: Corvus: Remember when the Republicans demanded the Senate pass a budget bill? They said it was SO important to pass a real budget and not pass things via CRs... Then the Senate did and the Republicans refused to have a reconcile committee because they would be forced to compromise and wouldn't be able to hold the US hostage to get their way.

No one is mentioning this is how we got here. If we passed a real budge like the Republicans were demanding for and then refused to do we wouldn't be having this problem now,

You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?


Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-23 08:01:10 PM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.


America is so against it, that we turned it down TWICE in a national election for the Leader of the nation.
Oh Wait.

We didn't, and your just telling more lies.

Again.

Go play with your B.O.B. Troll.
 
2013-09-23 08:01:32 PM

Aristocles: You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?


So crummy the voters of America voted for Democrats into the White House, Senate, and House in 2012, with the only saving grace for the Republicans being Gerrymandering.
 
2013-09-23 08:01:44 PM

twat_waffle: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Bob?

[i.huffpost.com image 850x593]
"And over here we're going to build a happy little troll..."


wrong bob.
www.hji.co.uk
 
2013-09-23 08:03:42 PM
listverse.com
 
2013-09-23 08:04:04 PM

Aristocles: You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?


is this what Fox News & Conservatives talk jockeys are still saying?
 
2013-09-23 08:04:35 PM
Personally, I hope the President just ignores this whole process and tells the Treasury and the Fed to continue as normal under the 14th Amendment. Dare them to impeach him (even though blatantly seizing the power of the purse from the legislative branch should be an impeachable offense under normal circumstances).
 
2013-09-23 08:05:08 PM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.


The polls where they've asked people how they feel about the policies in the bill without calling it 'Obamacare' show overwhelming support.  There's just been too much FUD out there and many people don't realize how it works.

Of course the individual mandate isn't popular, but the whole thing falls apart without it.  I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate either, but that's due to the lack of a public option, if that existed so I could pay for government issued health care instead of being forced to pay a private company, I'd be all for it.
 
2013-09-23 08:05:08 PM
Harry Reid may shiat down the Gov't.     Too funny.
 
2013-09-23 08:05:53 PM
Will of the people?

tommytoy.typepad.com

Down with Romneycare! Up with Obamacare!
 
2013-09-23 08:06:14 PM
Looking at the politics tab for today is just one dumbass piece of idiocy after another.
 
2013-09-23 08:06:52 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Personally, I hope the President just ignores this whole process and tells the Treasury and the Fed to continue as normal under the 14th Amendment. Dare them to impeach him (even though blatantly seizing the power of the purse from the legislative branch should be an impeachable offense under normal circumstances).


I hate the grab of power by the Executive branch over the last 30 years. I just wish there was an alternative.
 
2013-09-23 08:07:08 PM
Who is Senator Ted Cruz?
Ted is his nickname.
His real name is Senator Rafael Eduardo Cruz.
Rafael was born in Canada, where he is still a citizen.
His father was a Cuban and a member of the Communist party.
Rafael uses the nickname "Ted" so as not to scar the Texas Tea Party rednecks that voted for him... his voters are afraid of "Illegal Mexicans."
One of Cruz's campaign promises was tighter border security!
So, how do you get "Ted" from Rafael?
His middle name is Eduardo... in English we say Edward.
Remember Senator Edward Kennedy?  The drunk one that ran against Carter and Anderson in the 1980 democratic primary?
Anyway, his nickname was Teddy.
So Rafael Edwardo = Ted.
Study it out!
 
2013-09-23 08:07:39 PM
Fark it - make the turdbrain actually stand up and start talking.  Keep him there until he falls over.  No relief.  No breaks.  If he stops, he's done.
 
2013-09-23 08:07:48 PM
Obama needs to go every night on interviews and just repeat:
"The budget bill, passed by the Republicans in the House, is being filibustered by the Republicans in the Senate.  They're filibustering their own bill."
 
2013-09-23 08:07:51 PM

MisterTweak: mediablitz: The Ivy-league educated Canadian born Cuban lawyer is going to become a Tea Party folk hero...


So is this guy:
i224.photobucket.com
But that doesn't make him a goddamn genius. Or ethical.
 
2013-09-23 08:08:07 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976


herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.
 
2013-09-23 08:08:38 PM
cloudfront.mediamatters.org

Thank these racist clowns for our current problems.
 
2013-09-23 08:09:03 PM

twat_waffle: Wouldn't the CR fall under reconciliation, and therefore not be subject to cloture?


Yes, but it would be sent back to the House, which is controlled by bigots and terrorists who would rather have a global economic catastrophe that would make the Great Depression look like an overdraft fee than allow President Obama to have even a Pyrrhic victory. Sen. Cruz wouldn't be able to filibuster it, but Rep. Boner can -- by simply not allowing it to come up for a vote.

And even if the unfilibustered budget reconciliation bill comes up for a vote in the House, there's still the matter of getting the bigots and terrorists to vote for a bill which doesn't give them 100% of everything they want and gives President Obama more than 0% of what he wants.

/I just love the juxtaposition of the words "President" and "Obama." A nice, permanent reminder to the bigots and terrorists that hate him with every fiber of their being that they lost TWICE to a guy named Hussein whose father couldn't legally drink from the same water fountain as them
 
2013-09-23 08:09:29 PM
The Republicans have control of one half of the legislative branch. They deserve to get everything they ask for. This is the senate and Obama's fault for not caving to their demands.
 
2013-09-23 08:09:51 PM

Aristocles: Corvus: Remember when the Republicans demanded the Senate pass a budget bill? They said it was SO important to pass a real budget and not pass things via CRs... Then the Senate did and the Republicans refused to have a reconcile committee because they would be forced to compromise and wouldn't be able to hold the US hostage to get their way.

No one is mentioning this is how we got here. If we passed a real budge like the Republicans were demanding for and then refused to do we wouldn't be having this problem now,

You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?


It's true, your honor.
 
2013-09-23 08:09:51 PM

bulldg4life: Looking at the politics tab for today is just one dumbass piece of idiocy after another.


this is different from any other day how?
it seems to be a constant stream of shiat, constantly flooding and never receding.
i.chzbgr.com
 
2013-09-23 08:12:07 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.


Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?
 
2013-09-23 08:12:07 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

The polls where they've asked people how they feel about the policies in the bill without calling it 'Obamacare' show overwhelming support.  There's just been too much FUD out there and many people don't realize how it works.

Of course the individual mandate isn't popular, but the whole thing falls apart without it.  I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate either, but that's due to the lack of a public option, if that existed so I could pay for government issued health care instead of being forced to pay a private company, I'd be all for it.


That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.

/Remember that stupid gavel.
 
2013-09-23 08:13:53 PM

bwilson27: [cloudfront.mediamatters.org image 400x300]

Thank these racist clowns for our current problems.


I prefer to blame the roughly 100,000,000 people who can't be assed to vote and the 22% of those who do vote but intentionally vote to be as destructive as possible purely out of spite.

The only reason those idiots have any sway is because millions sit idle and millions more choose to listen to them.
 
2013-09-23 08:13:58 PM

Markoff_Cheney: bulldg4life: Looking at the politics tab for today is just one dumbass piece of idiocy after another.

this is different from any other day how?
it seems to be a constant stream of shiat, constantly flooding and never receding.
[i.chzbgr.com image 400x400]


River of shiat
River of shiat
Flow on, flow on, river of shiat
Right from my toes
On up to my nose
Flow on, flow on, river of shiat
I've been swimming
In this river of shiat
More than 20 years
And I'm getting tired of it
Don't like swimming
Hope it'll run dry
Got to go on swimming
Cause I don't want to die
Spoken:
Oh I can feel another 1000 years
Of the flapjacks of Sorrow! Unless!
Unless we make 2000 A.D.! 2000 A.D.
Our glorious deadline
A glorious deadline to make the
World a better place!
Or else the flapjacks of sorrow
Are going to slide down our throats
Slide down our throats
For another millennium
Of pain and war and oppression
And all our children's children's children's
Children's children children
Shall have to wade and to swim
In the same grim river
In which we now swim
Sing along with us
Sing sing sing sing sing sing sing sing!
-Tuli Kupfenberger
 
2013-09-23 08:13:58 PM

netcentric: Harry Reid may shiat down the Gov't.     Too funny.


Yes, it's Harry Reid's fault the Republicans are throwing a hissy fit because Democrats aren't letting them subvert the rule of law.

If they want to get rid of the ACA, the Republicans can try to repeal it normally...Oh wait, they tried that, and they CAN'T. That's why they're pulling this shiat and trying to circumvent the legislative process by using the debt ceiling to kill a law that makes a Democratic president look good.

They're willing to destroy the global economy because they lost, and they are whiny, spoiled children.
 
2013-09-23 08:14:13 PM
Good.

Of course what will happen is what ALWAYS happens in cases like these...the Democrats will make the GOP its biatch, and the GOP will cave.

Have a farking spine this time GOP. Stick with it.
 
2013-09-23 08:14:15 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


Your troll-fu is weak and you lack discipline .
 
2013-09-23 08:14:21 PM

bulldg4life: Looking at the politics tab for today is just one dumbass piece of idiocy after another.


img.fark.net
 
2013-09-23 08:15:16 PM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

The polls where they've asked people how they feel about the policies in the bill without calling it 'Obamacare' show overwhelming support.  There's just been too much FUD out there and many people don't realize how it works.

Of course the individual mandate isn't popular, but the whole thing falls apart without it.  I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate either, but that's due to the lack of a public option, if that existed so I could pay for government issued health care instead of being forced to pay a private company, I'd be all for it.

That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.



You seem to feel that a lot of things are getting rammed down your throat. You say it a lot.
 
2013-09-23 08:15:20 PM

Isitoveryet: Aristocles: You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?

is this what Fox News & Conservatives talk jockeys are still saying?


Ignore lists work so much better yo

I mean, interesting trolls are one thing. But this ass in a hat just spams the same shiat over and over. If fark had moderation he wouldn't even exist anymore.
 

 
2013-09-23 08:16:42 PM

SevenizGud: Good.

Of course what will happen is what ALWAYS happens in cases like these...the Democrats will make the GOP its biatch, and the GOP will cave.

Have a farking spine this time GOP. Stick with it.


Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.
 
2013-09-23 08:16:51 PM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

The polls where they've asked people how they feel about the policies in the bill without calling it 'Obamacare' show overwhelming support.  There's just been too much FUD out there and many people don't realize how it works.

Of course the individual mandate isn't popular, but the whole thing falls apart without it.  I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate either, but that's due to the lack of a public option, if that existed so I could pay for government issued health care instead of being forced to pay a private company, I'd be all for it.

That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.

/Remember that stupid gavel.


Still using that tired old debunked half quote?

Are you ever right about anything? I mean anything? I'll give you credit for knowing the answer to 1+1 if you can muster up the right answer.
 
2013-09-23 08:17:05 PM

ferretman: Now rules matter to dems?


i50.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-23 08:17:28 PM

MurphyMurphy: Isitoveryet: Aristocles: You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?

is this what Fox News & Conservatives talk jockeys are still saying?

Ignore lists work so much better yo

I mean, interesting trolls are one thing. But this ass in a hat just spams the same shiat over and over. If fark had moderation he wouldn't even exist anymore.


Down feel down, chum. Grab your empty mug and fill her up!
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-23 08:17:52 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?


On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.
 
2013-09-23 08:18:19 PM

abb3w: I suppose it also would technically be possible to avoid if John McCain decides to break Ted Cruz's neck on the floor of the Senate, as that would forcibly punctuate the filibuster. However, that would be a significant breach of the usual Senate decorum.


But the critical question is whether McCain would be legally liable for his actions, since the senate is all sacred and protected and such. Are canings protected speech in the senate?
 
2013-09-23 08:20:17 PM
If a majority of Americans wanted Obamacare defunded...a majority of Americans should've voted in November of 2012 for the political party that would've defunded it.
 
2013-09-23 08:20:37 PM

Aristocles: On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)


Sounds like a population ready to send Obama and Senate Democrats packing in 2010 and 2012.
 
2013-09-23 08:21:47 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.


So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."
 
2013-09-23 08:23:02 PM

LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.


Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.
 
2013-09-23 08:24:11 PM
is it lib in here or is it just everybody
 
2013-09-23 08:24:56 PM

SevenizGud: Good.

Of course what will happen is what ALWAYS happens in cases like these...the Democrats will make the GOP its biatch, and the GOP will cave.

Have a farking spine this time GOP. Stick with it.


Are you saying that the GOP should "have a farking spine" and allow the government to shut down, thus damaging the United States economy, or are you saying that the GOP should "have a farking spine" and allow the United States of America to default on its financial obligations, thus damaging the global economy?
 
2013-09-23 08:25:28 PM

Elfich: vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.

Try harder.


Coming up with batshiat crazy teabagger shiat is hard when you aren't a batshiat crazy teabagger

parkyplace.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-23 08:25:43 PM

max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."


I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything about "defunding," that's your straw man.
 
2013-09-23 08:25:45 PM

SevenizGud: LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.

Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.


If you're fine with letting poor people die then tell Republicans to proclaim it from the rooftops.  Otherwise, it's better for everyone to have skin in the game taking care of each other.
 
2013-09-23 08:26:20 PM
Aristocles: That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we YOU can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.


God, how the current crop makes me wish for the days of old; when Bevets would put in real effort, sourcing and citing cherry-picked quotes; when winterwhile would show up with his half-ounce of artistic, if bad, talent.

The new schmucks can't even figure out to to quote-mine.
 
2013-09-23 08:27:14 PM

jso2897: Down feel down, chum.


do you even english?
 
2013-09-23 08:27:58 PM

falcon176: is it lib in here or is it just everybody


You're just in the minority. If you want to surround your self with retards who think they are somehow a majority, the web site is freerepublic.com or something like that.

www.sabinabecker.com
 
2013-09-23 08:29:14 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.


Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."

I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything about "defund

ing," that's your straw man.

Yes, you did say something about 'defunding'.  It's right there before you mentioned ... who?
 
2013-09-23 08:29:18 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."

I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything about "defunding," that's your straw man.


So do you stand with the American public when they say, "do not defund Obamacare"?

You seem to believe that the will of the American public is important. Should Republicans go against the will of the American public and fight to defund of Obamacare or should Republicans respect the will of the American public and drop this defunding non-sense?
 
2013-09-23 08:29:21 PM
Senator Cruz, I say this as someone directly affected by your actions as senator, despite not living anywhere close to Texas: GO FARK YOURSELF

Just let me do my job without it being a federal offense to do so because you have to get in your political points to make an ill-fated attempt to run for the presidency. No one is amused of your antics, no one is afraid you'll win. You have lost good sir. You have lost and there is no way for you to come out of this smelling any better than a bed of shiat-filled roses.

You want to run around and play Second Coming of Jefferson or whatever founding father you want to bastardize, that's fine, but your actions have serious consequences to those who just want to help make this country a little bit better for the rest of us. Is that too much to ask, you Canadian schmuck?
 
2013-09-23 08:29:23 PM

SevenizGud: LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.

Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.


And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?
 
2013-09-23 08:30:05 PM

Karac: Aristocles: That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we YOU can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.


God, how the current crop makes me wish for the days of old; when Bevets would put in real effort, sourcing and citing cherry-picked quotes; when winterwhile would show up with his half-ounce of artistic, if bad, talent.

The new schmucks can't even figure out to to quote-mine.


So you're telling me I got ONE word wrong? And said word doesn't really change the sense of the quote?

Well, I must say, this calls for an ohsnap.jpg Well done, sir.
 
2013-09-23 08:30:27 PM
Hmm. He's going to screw over the GOP in the races for seats in swing states for 2014.
 
2013-09-23 08:33:07 PM

SevenizGud: LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.

Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.


So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?
 
2013-09-23 08:33:11 PM

Karac: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."

I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything a ...


The part I bold was in the article that the Farklib cited. The bolded part was what the Farklib "conveniently" left out when citing the link.

Brush up on your critical reading.
 
2013-09-23 08:34:34 PM
Someone fell asleep at the wheel on their responsibility to post the image that shows the % support for the various aspects of the ACA compared to the % knowledge that it was part of the ACA.

/my google-fu is weak
 
2013-09-23 08:34:57 PM

falcon176: is it lib in here or is it just everybody


It ain't everyone... I'm smackin down Farklib propagand left an right, but I'll save some for you should you care to partake.
 
2013-09-23 08:35:06 PM

Dimensio: Are you saying that the GOP should "have a farking spine" and allow the government to shut down, thus damaging the United States economy, or are you saying that the GOP should "have a farking spine" and allow the United States of America to default on its financial obligations, thus damaging the global economy?


No, I am saying that a real shut-down would show that 80% of government jobs are a waste, and those resources could be better served elsewhere, causing a robust economy to develop, and leading to a better life for each and every person on the planet.
 
2013-09-23 08:35:40 PM

SevenizGud: Dimensio: Are you saying that the GOP should "have a farking spine" and allow the government to shut down, thus damaging the United States economy, or are you saying that the GOP should "have a farking spine" and allow the United States of America to default on its financial obligations, thus damaging the global economy?

No, I am saying that a real shut-down would show that 80% of government jobs are a waste, and those resources could be better served elsewhere, causing a robust economy to develop, and leading to a better life for each and every person on the planet.


For what reason did not such a revelation occur in 1995?
 
2013-09-23 08:37:03 PM

PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?


Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
 
2013-09-23 08:38:47 PM

SevenizGud: LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.

Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare


Sorry, you've been refused coverage.

/oops
 
2013-09-23 08:39:24 PM

SevenizGud: Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.


I always love when the trolls go with the "die in the streets" argument.
 
2013-09-23 08:39:50 PM

SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.


You do realize that pre-ghosts Ebenezer Scrooge was not supposed to be a role model, right?
 
2013-09-23 08:39:59 PM
If our nation ends up defaulting because of one single Teabagger, then Cruz and his Dad may as well try to sneak BACK into Cuba.
 
2013-09-23 08:39:59 PM

Aristocles: Karac: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."

I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything a ...

The part I bold was in the article that the Farklib cited. The bolded part was what the Farklib "conveniently" left out when citing the link.

Brush up on your critical reading.


How do you know? You didn't even read the link that showed a majority of American are against defunding Obamacare, with or without a shutdown. When they asked about a shutdown, the majority of Americans against defunding Obamacare went even higher.

Do support defunding Obamacare even if it means going against the will of the American people?
 
2013-09-23 08:40:00 PM
Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."

I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything about "defunding," that's your straw man.

So do you stand with the American public when they say, "do not defund Obamacare"?

You seem to believe that the will of the American public is important. Should Republicans go against the will of the American public and fight to defund of Obamacare or should Republicans respect the will of the American public and drop this defunding non-sense?


You cite one poll. While there are numerous polls showing that the majority of AMericans despise Obamacare. I stand with those who want to repeal and replace.

Maybe if you had more data on your side, I'd agree. But the poll sets up a false dichotomy which puts defunding in a negative light from the get go. In other words, your poll is biased.
 
2013-09-23 08:40:08 PM

12349876: Otherwise, it's better for everyone to have skin in the game taking care of each other.


Yeah, I'm for utopia too.

Meanwhile, in the real world....
 
2013-09-23 08:42:11 PM

Karac: Who is Bob?


farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-23 08:42:30 PM

max_pooper: So do you stand with the American public when they say, "do not defund Obamacare"?

You seem to believe that the will of the American public is important. Should Republicans go against the will of the American public and fight to defund of Obamacare or should Republicans respect the will of the American public and drop this defunding non-sense?


The Real American(tm) public wants it to be stopped at any cost.  That's all that matters to him.
 
2013-09-23 08:42:45 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: Otherwise, it's better for everyone to have skin in the game taking care of each other.

Yeah, I'm for utopia too.

Meanwhile, in the real world....


In the real world, there was a government shutdown in 1995 and, rather than your magical government-free utopia appearing, people got PISSED.

In the real world, responsible people who work *hard* can still get shafted by sudden, unexpected medical expenses.

In the real world, you are a terrible human being. I pray that you are never put in the position that you would like to put the poor in, where they must choose between medicine and food, fast death and slow death. Even if the world might be a better place if you *were* put in such a position.
 
2013-09-23 08:43:19 PM

LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?


Preferably both.
 
2013-09-23 08:43:26 PM

Aristocles: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."

I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything about "defunding," that's your straw man.

So do you stand with the American public when they say, "do not defund Obamacare"?

You seem to believe that the will of the American public is important. Should Republicans go against the will of the American public and fight to defund of Obamacare or should Republicans respect the will of the American public and drop this defunding non-sense?

You cite one poll. While there are numerous polls showing that the majority of AMericans despise Obamacare. I stand with those who want to repeal and replace.

Maybe if you had more data on your side, I'd agree. But the poll sets up a false dichotomy which puts defunding in a negative light from the get go. In other words, your poll is biased.


How many of your polls show support for defunding Obamacare?

Do you support the will of the American public or do you support defunding Obamacare?
 
2013-09-23 08:44:45 PM

LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor brown people getting healthcare.

 
2013-09-23 08:44:59 PM

SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.


Then tell your Republican buddies to tell the world that they want poor kids with cancer to die without treatment.  YELL IT LOUD IT CLEAR!  Send it into every mailbox, every inbox, every telephone line, every TV channel, every website.  We want poor kids with cancer to die!
 
2013-09-23 08:45:58 PM

SevenizGud: LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?

Preferably both.


As you are already known to be a liar (based upon your previous usage of a demonstrably dishonest claim when you tried to deny climate change science), your opinion is of no value.
 
2013-09-23 08:46:14 PM

Dimensio: SevenisGud is also saying that if a single mother (due to the death of her spouse) of two children, who works two jobs to provide for her family, is suddenly struck by a hit-and-run driver and suffers a broken leg and rendered unable to work, that she should suffer bankruptcy and the loss of her employment (due to her inability to work), and that she and her children should die destitute.


She can put the kids up for adoption, or make them a ward of the state.
 
2013-09-23 08:46:17 PM

12349876: SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.

Then tell your Republican buddies to tell the world that they want poor kids with cancer to die without treatment.  YELL IT LOUD IT CLEAR!  Send it into every mailbox, every inbox, every telephone line, every TV channel, every website.  We want poor kids with cancer to die!


If the poor kids were smart and bootstrappy they would have been born to rich parents.
 
2013-09-23 08:46:25 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: Otherwise, it's better for everyone to have skin in the game taking care of each other.

Yeah, I'm for utopia too.

Meanwhile, in the real world....


In the real world of Europe and Costa Rica and Israel and Japan and Canada etc. that's how it works.
 
2013-09-23 08:46:27 PM

TheWhoppah: His real name is Senator Rafael Eduardo Cruz.
Rafael was born in Canada, where he is still a citizen.
His father was a Cuban and a member of the Communist party.
Rafael uses the nickname "Ted" so as not to scar the Texas Tea Party rednecks that voted for him... his voters are afraid of "Illegal Mexicans."


Didn't his mother fail to meet the residency requirements to grant him US citizenship? Shouldn't he be required to become an American Citizen?
 
2013-09-23 08:47:38 PM

Aristocles: falcon176: is it lib in here or is it just everybody

It ain't everyone... I'm smackin down Farklib propagand left an right, but I'll save some for you should you care to partake.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-23 08:47:42 PM

SevenizGud: Dimensio: SevenisGud is also saying that if a single mother (due to the death of her spouse) of two children, who works two jobs to provide for her family, is suddenly struck by a hit-and-run driver and suffers a broken leg and rendered unable to work, that she should suffer bankruptcy and the loss of her employment (due to her inability to work), and that she and her children should die destitute.

She can put the kids up for adoption, or make them a ward of the state.


Making the children wards of the state would place a financial burden upon the state. Allowing the children to die is a more financially viable option.
 
2013-09-23 08:48:16 PM

12349876: SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.

Then tell your Republican buddies to tell the world that they want poor kids with cancer to die without treatment.  YELL IT LOUD IT CLEAR!  Send it into every mailbox, every inbox, every telephone line, every TV channel, every website.  We want poor kids with cancer to die!


Why are libs so selfish? Repubs and cons... even Teabaggers... believe in charity. Only in a world envisioned by a dem or a lib would anyone want kids to die.
 
2013-09-23 08:49:09 PM

Dimensio: As you are already known to be a liar (based upon your previous usage of a demonstrably dishonest claim when you tried to deny climate change science), your opinion is of no value.


Yeah, because nothing says "lie" like quoting the data from HADCRUT verbatim.
 
2013-09-23 08:49:56 PM

SevenizGud: Dimensio: As you are already known to be a liar (based upon your previous usage of a demonstrably dishonest claim when you tried to deny climate change science), your opinion is of no value.

Yeah, because nothing says "lie" like quoting the data from HADCRUT verbatim.


You deliberately presented cherry-picked data to support a demonstrably dishonest conclusion. Your presentation was a lie, and you are a liar for having presented it. Due to your willingness to lie, your claims lack credibility.
 
2013-09-23 08:50:47 PM
When did the popularity of a law become a meaningful criticism? ACA was passed by both Houses, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court. It doesn't get more legitimate than that.
 
2013-09-23 08:51:53 PM
ACA is law and Zimmerman went free

cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com
 
2013-09-23 08:52:01 PM

Aristocles: 12349876: SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.

Then tell your Republican buddies to tell the world that they want poor kids with cancer to die without treatment.  YELL IT LOUD IT CLEAR!  Send it into every mailbox, every inbox, every telephone line, every TV channel, every website.  We want poor kids with cancer to die!

Why are libs so selfish? Repubs and cons... even Teabaggers... believe in charity. Only in a world envisioned by a dem or a lib would anyone want kids to die.


Or in the actual real world where real life Republicans in the audience at a GOP primary debate erupted in a round of applause when Ron Paul said a person who could not afford health insurance should be left to die.
 
2013-09-23 08:52:21 PM

12349876: Then tell your Republican buddies to tell the world that they want poor kids with cancer to die without treatment.


Way to misrepresent what I said. I never said they should get no treatment. I said they shouldn't get treatment that they don't pay for. They should still get treatment up until the point where they run out of money.
 
2013-09-23 08:53:04 PM

simplicimus: When did the popularity of a law become a meaningful criticism? ACA was passed by both Houses, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court. It doesn't get more legitimate than that.


Tea Party activists insist that the law is Unconstitutional, therefore funding it would violate the Constitution, based upon their reasoning.
 
2013-09-23 08:53:41 PM

SevenizGud: LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?

Preferably both.


Hard to believe such a douche-tastic view hasn't caught on.
 
2013-09-23 08:54:52 PM

Dimensio: SevenizGud: LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?

Preferably both.

As you are already known to be a liar (based upon your previous usage of a demonstrably dishonest claim when you tried to deny climate change science), your opinion is of no value.


I guess the libtrolls are trying to derail the thread since they're getting their asses handed to them.

Read a book sometime
 
2013-09-23 08:54:55 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: Then tell your Republican buddies to tell the world that they want poor kids with cancer to die without treatment.

Way to misrepresent what I said. I never said they should get no treatment. I said they shouldn't get treatment that they don't pay for. They should still get treatment up until the point where they run out of money.


Poor children will not be able to afford cancer treatment. Therefore, you desire poor children who develop cancer to die. The reasoning is sound, and you should encourage Republican legislators to openly state their intent, to clarify their message for those who may currently withhold their support due to uncertainty of whether Republicans support their pro dead poor cancer-stricken child beliefs.
 
2013-09-23 08:57:28 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: Then tell your Republican buddies to tell the world that they want poor kids with cancer to die without treatment.

Way to misrepresent what I said. I never said they should get no treatment. I said they shouldn't get treatment that they don't pay for. They should still get treatment up until the point where they run out of money.


Then tell your Republicans to say, "We want kids with cancer whose parents only have $1,000 in savings to die"  Make sure all the 300+ million know it.
 
2013-09-23 08:57:29 PM

theknuckler_33: SevenizGud: LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?

Preferably both.

Hard to believe such a douche-tastic view hasn't caught on.


Oh, but it has... don't the dems and libs want to steal your money when you die? I believe it's called the estate tax. Both the "preferably both" and the dem-lib view want you to die broke.
 
2013-09-23 08:57:48 PM

Dimensio: You deliberately presented cherry-picked data to support a demonstrably dishonest conclusion


I showed the last 15 years to show no warming in the last 15 years, which, by the way, was already admitted by Von Storch and Phil Jones and every climatologist on the planet. There has been no warming in 15 years, so tough shiat, Chicken Little. Cry about it.
 
2013-09-23 08:59:06 PM

Aristocles: 12349876: SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.

Then tell your Republican buddies to tell the world that they want poor kids with cancer to die without treatment.  YELL IT LOUD IT CLEAR!  Send it into every mailbox, every inbox, every telephone line, every TV channel, every website.  We want poor kids with cancer to die!

Why are libs so selfish? Repubs and cons... even Teabaggers... believe in charity. Only in a world envisioned by a dem or a lib would anyone want kids to die.


You're right.  Health care in the 1800s was fantastic as an all charity enterprise.
 
2013-09-23 09:00:13 PM

SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, die quickly.


Clarified.
 
2013-09-23 09:00:15 PM

Aristocles: theknuckler_33: SevenizGud: LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?

Preferably both.

Hard to believe such a douche-tastic view hasn't caught on.

Oh, but it has... don't the dems and libs want to steal your money when you die? I believe it's called the estate tax. Both the "preferably both" and the dem-lib view want you to die broke.


Poor people don't pay the estate tax.
 
2013-09-23 09:01:05 PM
So, the congress critters don't get paid, I don't get junk mail, and possibly half of my work week gets stopped (and I still get paid for it), and I still get to blame the GOP for the overall chaos it creates. Thanks Rafael.
 
2013-09-23 09:01:07 PM

Aristocles: Oh, but it has... don't the dems and libs want to steal your money when you die?


Nope, no one wants to steal anyone's money when they die.  Democrats do, to be sure, want to make sure that people who get millions of dollars of money they didn't earn pay fair taxes on it.
 
2013-09-23 09:03:06 PM

12349876: We want kids with cancer whose parents only have $1,000 in savings to die


WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.
 
2013-09-23 09:04:30 PM

max_pooper: Or in the actual real world where real life Republicans in the audience at a GOP primary debate erupted in a round of applause when Ron Paul said a person who could not afford health insurance should be left to die.


To be fair, Ron Paul carefully didn't actually say that--he only said that the government should not be responsible for people who chose not to get health insurance.  It wasn't until the moderator asked if his stance meant people should be left to die that the audience erupted in a round of applause.

He may be an idiot, but he's not so dumb as to openly admit that he'd let people die for his policies.
 
2013-09-23 09:04:38 PM
It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.
 
2013-09-23 09:04:41 PM

SevenizGud: Dimensio: You deliberately presented cherry-picked data to support a demonstrably dishonest conclusion

I showed the last 15 years to show no warming in the last 15 years, which, by the way, was already admitted by Von Storch and Phil Jones and every climatologist on the planet. There has been no warming in 15 years, so tough shiat, Chicken Little. Cry about it.


You presented a graph which others showed to have been cherry picked to support a dishonest conclusion.

You lied. You are a liar.
 
2013-09-23 09:04:53 PM

SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.


I'd love to know how, as a nation, we got to a place where ONE industry has so much clout that the national government is legislating that unimaginable wealth be directed to it by all citizens.
Fark that.
 
2013-09-23 09:05:13 PM

Mithiwithi: Democrats do, to be sure, want to make sure that people who get millions of dollars of money they didn't earn pay fair taxes on it.


The democrat dream...for people to work hard and play by the rules, and when they die, provide to leave the government better off than when they found it.
 
2013-09-23 09:05:28 PM

anfrind: max_pooper: Or in the actual real world where real life Republicans in the audience at a GOP primary debate erupted in a round of applause when Ron Paul said a person who could not afford health insurance should be left to die.

To be fair, Ron Paul carefully didn't actually say that--he only said that the government should not be responsible for people who chose not to get health insurance.  It wasn't until the moderator asked if his stance meant people should be left to die that the audience erupted in a round of applause.

He may be an idiot, but he's not so dumb as to openly admit that he'd let people die for his policies.


Point taken.
 
2013-09-23 09:06:25 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: We want kids with cancer whose parents only have $1,000 in savings to die

WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.


Sounds like a final solution.
 
2013-09-23 09:07:13 PM

Dimensio: You lied. You are a liar.


Nothing says "liar" like posting the HADCRUT data verbatim.
 
2013-09-23 09:08:17 PM

SevenizGud: Dimensio: You lied. You are a liar.

Nothing says "liar" like posting the HADCRUT data verbatim.


Take this shiat out of here and stop the thread jacking.
Get a room youze dopes.
 
2013-09-23 09:08:23 PM

SevenizGud: Dimensio: You lied. You are a liar.

Nothing says "liar" like posting the HADCRUT data verbatim.


Your data was exposed as being "cherry picked", and the complete data contradicted your implication. You lied. You are a liar.
 
2013-09-23 09:12:21 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: We want kids with cancer whose parents only have $1,000 in savings to die

WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.


100k is far from guaranteed to be enough to deal with cancer. But anyway, there's a reason that Republicans aren't yelling what you posted off the mountaintops, and that's because they don't believe you or are too chickenshiat to admit they do.
 
2013-09-23 09:12:46 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


-50/10 (yes. So bad that you OWE points)
 
2013-09-23 09:12:54 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: We want kids with cancer whose parents only have $1,000 in savings to die

WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.


Remember, folks!

Moderators have ruled that this is just blatant differencing of opinion!  It can be in no way considered trolling, as fark doesn't allow trolling.

Isn't it nice to be on a website which doesn't restrict blatant and open differencing of opinion?
 
2013-09-23 09:15:04 PM

Chak: It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.


I don't think they are the same.  SH was bearable to read but this new guy....nope.  BORING.  I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book".   It's elementary.
 
2013-09-23 09:15:52 PM

TV's Vinnie: vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.

-50/10 (yes. So bad that you OWE points)


His effort is at least better than in SevenizGud's, which is firetruck/potato.
 
2013-09-23 09:16:11 PM

SevenizGud: Mithiwithi: Democrats do, to be sure, want to make sure that people who get millions of dollars of money they didn't earn pay fair taxes on it.

The democrat dream...for people to work hard and play by the rules, and when they die, provide to leave the government better off than when they found it.


So you're of the opinion that if I win $50 million in the lottery, I shouldn't have to pay a dime in taxes on it. Got it.
 
2013-09-23 09:18:28 PM
 

Aristocles: Corvus: Remember when the Republicans demanded the Senate pass a budget bill? They said it was SO important to pass a real budget and not pass things via CRs... Then the Senate did and the Republicans refused to have a reconcile committee because they would be forced to compromise and wouldn't be able to hold the US hostage to get their way.

No one is mentioning this is how we got here. If we passed a real budge like the Republicans were demanding for and then refused to do we wouldn't be having this problem now,

You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?


I think I'm going to write a greasemonkey script that replaces "Bob" in all of your posts with "that attractive and successful african american I hate for being black".  It should bump up the sincerity level of your posts immeasurably.

/Anyone else want in on this?
 
2013-09-23 09:21:15 PM

Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.



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But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...
 
2013-09-23 09:22:48 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...


That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.
 
2013-09-23 09:26:28 PM

Dimensio: Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...

That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.


Point of clarification: are you talking about government death panels or private insurance actuarial death panels?
 
2013-09-23 09:28:24 PM

max_pooper: Dimensio: Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...

That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.

Point of clarification: are you talking about government death panels or private insurance actuarial death panels?


Which one does Obamacare mandate as a measure to euthanize my grandparents?
 
2013-09-23 09:29:46 PM

Dimensio: max_pooper: Dimensio: Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...

That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.

Point of clarification: are you talking about government death panels or private insurance actuarial death panels?

Which one does Obamacare mandate as a measure to euthanize my grandparents?


Neither.
 
2013-09-23 09:31:49 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?


For your searching pleasure:   http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hjres117pcs/pdf/BILLS-112hjres1 1 7pcs.pdf

/loves me the digital age! (used to have to wait up to a month to get hard copy of already `signed' legislation)
//lawn, etc.
 
2013-09-23 09:33:29 PM

max_pooper: Dimensio: max_pooper: Dimensio: Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...

That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.

Point of clarification: are you talking about government death panels or private insurance actuarial death panels?

Which one does Obamacare mandate as a measure to euthanize my grandparents?

Neither.


Impossible. Sarah Palin assured me that the law establishes these panels. A spokesman for her even cited Section 1233 of HR3200!
 
2013-09-23 09:34:37 PM
its good to watch the birth of a "meme"

it won't be "BOB"  - it will be "who is BOB?" and a farkism for - well - failed memes
 
2013-09-23 09:34:51 PM

Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.


The should probably dispatch some f-16s from Italy.
 
2013-09-23 09:35:13 PM

raerae1980: I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book". It's elementary.


Maybe Drew replaced the paid shills with server-side scripts.
 
2013-09-23 09:36:52 PM
wemovetogether.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-23 09:37:11 PM
So, do polls showing dissatisfaction with Obamacare take into account that some dissatisfied  people want to repeal and replace Obamacare with something even more socialist, like, single-payer?  And that these more socialist people would not support Republicans plans to throw us back to the wolves? This might explain why there does not seem to be much support for defunding Obamacare.
 
2013-09-23 09:37:52 PM
Look at all this difference of opinion and totally not trolling!
 
2013-09-23 09:40:39 PM
This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)
 
2013-09-23 09:41:10 PM

LordJiro: SevenizGud: LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.

Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.

So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?


Duh. Do you have any idea how cheap healthcare will be when the sick are dead???
 
2013-09-23 09:43:36 PM

raerae1980: Chak: It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.

I don't think they are the same.  SH was bearable to read but this new guy....nope.  BORING.  I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book".   It's elementary.


I think I just figured out who Aristocles is...
 
2013-09-23 09:44:04 PM

Crazy Lee: TuteTibiImperes: What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?

For your searching pleasure:   http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hjres117pcs/pdf/BILLS-112hjres1 1 7pcs.pdf

/loves me the digital age! (used to have to wait up to a month to get hard copy of already `signed' legislation)
//lawn, etc.


Fark google to GPO (and the lawn :(  - yeah, I'll be turning myself over to the thermal depolymerization plant RSN for recycling):

correct link:   http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c113:131:./temp/~c113qifcN7:
 
2013-09-23 09:45:25 PM

Dimensio: Impossible. Sarah Palin assured me that the law establishes these panels. A spokesman for her even cited Section 1233 of HR3200!


It's right underneath the section euthanizing Trig.
 
2013-09-23 09:52:01 PM

badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)


Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?
 
2013-09-23 09:53:17 PM
Why can't they make Cruz actually stand there and speak to filibuster the bill?
 
2013-09-23 09:53:53 PM
It's ironic isn't it, that a junior Senator from Texas, whose claim to be a US citizen is based on hearsay and not official documentation, and whose country of birth does have socialized healthcare for all, is one of the participants in holding the US government hostage?

/don't judge my grammar
//grammar
 
2013-09-23 09:57:33 PM

powhound: It's ironic isn't it, that a junior Senator from Texas, whose claim to be a US citizen is based on hearsay and not official documentation, and whose country of birth does have socialized healthcare for all, is one of the participants in holding the US government hostage?

/don't judge my grammar
//grammar


Senator Rafael Cruz, a Cuban with Canadian citizenship who prefers to be called Ted in honor of the late Ted Kennedy, is a douche.
 
2013-09-23 09:58:33 PM

theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?


Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.
 
2013-09-23 09:59:30 PM

Dimensio: max_pooper: Dimensio: max_pooper: Dimensio: Lionel Mandrake: Obamacare is pretty popular with people who know what it accomplishes.

[i159.photobucket.com image 709x525]

But a lot of idiots get their infromation from FOX...

That poll is clearly biased; it fails entirely to assess public opinion of death panels.

Point of clarification: are you talking about government death panels or private insurance actuarial death panels?

Which one does Obamacare mandate as a measure to euthanize my grandparents?

Neither.

Impossible. Sarah Palin assured me that the law establishes these panels. A spokesman for her even cited Section 1233 of HR3200!


Are talking about page 432?
 
2013-09-23 10:00:41 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.


See, you're cranky because you're up past your bedtime. You can have two cookies and a glass of milk and then it's straight off to bed with you.
 
2013-09-23 10:01:10 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.


I do hope you're being sarcastic.
 
2013-09-23 10:01:24 PM

twat_waffle: raerae1980: Chak: It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.

I don't think they are the same.  SH was bearable to read but this new guy....nope.  BORING.  I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book".   It's elementary.

I think I just figured out who Aristocles is...


That song makes me so happy.
 
2013-09-23 10:02:10 PM
Doesn't the Senate have a procedure for expelling a member?  They have a perfect excuse:  Cruz is a Canadian citizen.
 
2013-09-23 10:02:27 PM

LordJiro: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

I do hope you're being sarcastic.


In think he meant "we have never had a GOP house majority this retarded."
 
2013-09-23 10:02:44 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.


What exactly is bad about it? Other than you don't want to take personal responsibility for your own health insurance?
 
2013-09-23 10:04:03 PM

max_pooper: LordJiro: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

I do hope you're being sarcastic.

In think he meant "we have never had a GOP house majority this retarded."


Actually, we have had a house this stupid before. The one Wilson was saddled with at the end of WWI.
 
2013-09-23 10:04:44 PM

flondrix: Doesn't the Senate have a procedure for expelling a member?  They have a perfect excuse:  Cruz is a Canadian citizen.


Unfortunately dual citizenship doesn't bar membership in Congress or else Michelle Bachman would have been bounced long ago.
 
2013-09-23 10:06:45 PM
So, no cloture. Make him filibuster for the next five days. I doubt he'll last 10 hours, but let's take lots of pictures to send to the troops with the caption, "This guy and his party don't want you to have a paycheck."
 
2013-09-23 10:09:17 PM

SevenizGud: WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.


Remind me again, which is the "Family Values" party?
 
2013-09-23 10:10:44 PM
He is completely crazy.
 
2013-09-23 10:13:29 PM
We TOLD you to end the goddamned filibuster, Reid. Again and again. Did you listen?

It's a Denial of Service attack on the nation.
 
2013-09-23 10:13:46 PM

Crazy Lee: Crazy Lee: TuteTibiImperes: What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?

For your searching pleasure:   http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hjres117pcs/pdf/BILLS-112hjres1 1 7pcs.pdf

/loves me the digital age! (used to have to wait up to a month to get hard copy of already `signed' legislation)
//lawn, etc.

Fark google to GPO (and the lawn :(  - yeah, I'll be turning myself over to the thermal depolymerization plant RSN for recycling):

correct link:   http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c113:131:./temp/~c113qifcN7:


Not much call to link this stuff (just like to read it)  try again:   http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113hjres59eh/pdf/BILLS-113hjres59e h .pdf

/turn off cache and preview, idiot
 
2013-09-23 10:14:15 PM

KeatingFive: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: This is not a repeat of:

September 30 to October 11, 1976 (10 days)September 30 to October 13, 1977 (12 days)October 31 to November 9, 1977 (8 days)November 30 to December 9, 1977 (8 days)September 30 to October 18, 1978 (18 daysSeptember 30 to October 12, 1979 (11 days)November 20 to November 23, 1981 (2 days)September 30 to October 2, 1982 (1 day)December 17 to December 21, 1982 (3 days)November 10 to November 14, 1983 (3 days)September 30 to October 3, 1984 (2 days)October 3 to October 5, 1984 (1 day)October 16 to October 18, 1986 (1 day)December 18 to December 20, 1987 (1 day)October 5 to October 9, 1990 (3 days)November 13  to November 19, 1995 (5 days)December 5, 1995 to January 6, 1996 (21 days)

Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

What exactly is bad about it? Other than you don't want to take personal responsibility for your own health insurance?


I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.
 
2013-09-23 10:15:59 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: I'd love to know how, as a nation, we got to a place where ONE industry has so much clout that the national government is legislating that unimaginable wealth be directed to it by all citizens.
Fark that.


I really hope this entire debate is simply the death throes of the for-profit health insurance industry... so we can move onto single payer like the rest of the civilized world.


Dimensio: His effort is at least better than in SevenizGud's, which is firetruck/potato.


I have  SevenizGud farkied as "Bumper-Sticker Gospel." Can't remember where I came up with it, but it works well.
 
2013-09-23 10:22:10 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.


Oh. You'd think it's repeal would be a snap then.
 
2013-09-23 10:23:40 PM

PanicMan: twat_waffle: raerae1980: Chak: It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.

I don't think they are the same.  SH was bearable to read but this new guy....nope.  BORING.  I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book".   It's elementary.

I think I just figured out who Aristocles is...

That song makes me so happy.


I was going to use that as my phone ringtone, but decided that I was better off going with Raffi's "Bananaphone", because my mother has delicate sensibilities and I would hate to get one of her looks if my phone rang while I was spending time with her.

/now my ringtone is the sound of a 56k dial-up modem
//my mom hates it, but it wakes me up if I get a call while asleep
///she would hate that song more
 
2013-09-23 10:26:44 PM

theknuckler_33: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

Oh. You'd think it's repeal would be a snap then.


You'd think so. In a sane world.
 
2013-09-23 10:31:40 PM

badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.


The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.
 
2013-09-23 10:33:27 PM
Spoiler alert: politics don't matter, they are going to do what they want anyway. Get another hobby.
 
2013-09-23 10:36:29 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

Oh. You'd think it's repeal would be a snap then.

You'd think so. In a sane world.


Instead of thinking that world is crazy, did you ever entertain the thought that maybe the law isn't anywhere near as bad as you've been led to believe?
 
2013-09-23 10:36:35 PM
badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

Oh. You'd think it's repeal would be a snap then.


You'd think so. In a sane world.


sanity is relative. Maybe you should be questioning your perspective

/that'd be sane, but we're not holding our breaths, which, coincidentally, is about the only health care legislation the right has proposed.
 
2013-09-23 10:37:10 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.


The government has the power to make you wear clothing in public. It certainly doesn't have the power to make you buy overpriced clothing only available from their cronies.
 
2013-09-23 10:38:05 PM

SevenizGud: 12349876: We want kids with cancer whose parents only have $1,000 in savings to die

WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.


You almost had it perfect.  Needed more Dickens:

"Are there no prisons?"
"Plenty of prisons..."
"And the Union workhouses." demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"Both very busy, sir..."
"Those who are badly off must go there."
"Many can't go there; and many would rather die."
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."
 
2013-09-23 10:38:44 PM

badhatharry: Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.


Really?  You think that in the entire history of America, when weighed against things like the Fugitive Slave Act, the Alien and Sedition Acts, the Indian Removal Act, the Espionage Act, and the Volstead Act - that saying "Hey guys, how about you buy some insurance so you can afford to get sick?  And if you don't want to, that's fine too - we won't force you, but we will dock you tax refund since inevitably the rest of us will pay for some part of your health care."

And those are just the actually bad laws.  I'm sure many a right-wing troll would have a hard time deciding whether the PPACA is worse than the 16th, 17th, 19th or 24th Amendments.
 
2013-09-23 10:40:22 PM
Reading these threads, I thought of the British law (that I'm assured, by someone comparatively sober, exists) against putting ferrets down your trousers for the purposes of wagering.  Specifically, the people freaking out that ACA is somehow the end of the world remind me of the individuals that inspired the British ferret law.

Cheers.
 
2013-09-23 10:42:12 PM

Heliovdrake: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Who is Bob?


Bob Guccione.  Former publisher of Penthouse magazine.
 
2013-09-23 10:43:00 PM
Karac:

(...)

And those are just the actually bad laws.  I'm sure many a right-wing troll would have a hard time deciding whether the PPACA is worse than the 16th, 17th, 19th or 24th Amendments.


Wouldn't THAT be a hoot? Propose conservatives can repeal any one law or amendment they want, so long as everyone agrees on which one? POPCORN! and we could get stuff done while they fought to the death over it.

Best part? Forever.
 
2013-09-23 10:43:03 PM

badhatharry: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.

The government has the power to make you wear clothing in public. It certainly doesn't have the power to make you buy overpriced clothing only available from their cronies.


So, just so I know I'm reading you right, you favor a single-payer system?
 
2013-09-23 10:43:50 PM

flondrix: SevenizGud: WTF are people with only $1K in savings doing having children? Obviously if you can only muster $1K, then you would have to be such a cesspool of shiatty genes that it would be unconscionable to have a child, since it is guaranteed to be a defective.

If you can't show at least $100K in savings and you have a kid, then both the parents and the kid should be shot on the spot on general principle.

Remind me again, which is the "Family Values" party?


It's a troll/sarcasm.  Poe's law applied up until the "cesspool of shiatty genes," since that's too scientific and too direct for a righty.  The line would be something like, "if you can only muster $1k then you clearly aren't spending enough time working for a living and shouldn't be wasting time and money sleeping around in the first place."

Of course these are the same people opposed to sex education and birth control, because while they are not-so-secretly eugenicists who believe in the divine right of kingssocial darwinism their answer to the problem of too many mouths to feed is to demand that for the first time in history EVER people just stop having sex.
 
2013-09-23 10:48:01 PM

badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.


The government does have the power to force you to buy something.  At least, it does assuming you're a free able-bodied white male citizen, in which case you were required to purchase a musket, bayonet, and various other military equipment.  And that law was written by the second session of Congress, and signed by George Washington.  But I'm sure none of them had any inkling of what the Founding Fathers intended for this country.
 
2013-09-23 10:50:03 PM

Aristocles: BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.


Damn dude, that Battery Operated Boyfriend of yours is getting an epic amount of use.
 
2013-09-23 10:51:40 PM

Karac: badhatharry: Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

Really?  You think that in the entire history of America, when weighed against things like the Fugitive Slave Act, the Alien and Sedition Acts, the Indian Removal Act, the Espionage Act, and the Volstead Act - that saying "Hey guys, how about you buy some insurance so you can afford to get sick?  And if you don't want to, that's fine too - we won't force you, but we will dock you tax refund since inevitably the rest of us will pay for some part of your health care."

And those are just the actually bad laws.  I'm sure many a right-wing troll would have a hard time deciding whether the PPACA is worse than the 16th, 17th, 19th or 24th Amendments.


Executive Order #9066 of 1942 was unhelpful and unnecessary.
 
2013-09-23 10:52:40 PM

theknuckler_33: badhatharry: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.

The government has the power to make you wear clothing in public. It certainly doesn't have the power to make you buy overpriced clothing only available from their cronies.

So, just so I know I'm reading you right, you favor a single-payer system?


That would at least actually lower the cost. I would prefer a public option. With states and localities in charge of it, like education.
 
2013-09-23 10:53:24 PM

theknuckler_33: badhatharry: theknuckler_33: Did any of them involve attempting to re-legislate already passed law?

Not sure, but we've never had a law this bad before.

Oh. You'd think it's repeal would be a snap then.


It would seem to me that the GOP should just let the law go into effect next week. If the Affordable Care Act is as bad as the Republicans say it is (although the Republican Heritage Foundation came up with the idea in the first place, maybe they were wrong) when a vast majority of voters hate it after trying it, it would be a cinch to repeal ACA and come up with something more favorable. Why bother shutting down pay checks for old folks on Social Security and soldiers in Afghanistan now? Republicans stink.
 
2013-09-23 10:56:21 PM
The GOP will cave. Only need 2 dozen Rs in the House after the filibuster falls short and the continuing resolution succeeds.

They have the debt ceiling battle to wage still.
 
2013-09-23 10:56:23 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.

The government has the power to make you wear clothing in public. It certainly doesn't have the power to make you buy overpriced clothing only available from their cronies.

So, just so I know I'm reading you right, you favor a single-payer system?

That would at least actually lower the cost. I would prefer a public option. With states and localities in charge of it, like education.


Well, i didn't expect you to say that. Thankfully, that's a direction things  could go in, after the ACA has been around a few years. Going backwards.. that is what will not happen.

always nice to be surprised.
 
2013-09-23 10:59:45 PM
When is the actual cloture vote attempt supposed to occur?
 
2013-09-23 10:59:56 PM

mpirooz: The GOP will cave. Only need 2 dozen Rs in the House after the filibuster falls short and the continuing resolution succeeds.

They have the debt ceiling battle to wage still.


That's what Boehner is lining up his ducks for. It's worse.
 
2013-09-23 11:02:09 PM

clkeagle: Dimensio: His effort is at least better than in SevenizGud's, which is firetruck/potato.

I have  SevenizGud farkied as "Bumper-Sticker Gospel." Can't remember where I came up with it, but it works well.


I just have him as WAAAAAHHHH!!!!!
 
2013-09-23 11:09:02 PM
Oh noez....we have a shut down for a few days!.... Fark off. This is complete bullshiat and I hate both farming sides. I'm pretty sure a lot of people feel the same........
 
2013-09-23 11:09:57 PM

Dimensio: When is the actual cloture vote attempt supposed to occur?


Two calendar days after the petition is given to the clerk. No cloture petition has been presented yet, AFAIK. So its unanimous consent to get to an up-or-down vote, or there's a shutdown.
 
2013-09-23 11:11:26 PM

Karac: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government does have the power to force you to buy something.  At least, it does assuming you're a free able-bodied white male citizen, in which case you were required to purchase a musket, bayonet, and various other military equipment.  And that law was written by the second session of Congress, and signed by George Washington.  But I'm sure none of them had any inkling of what the Founding Fathers intended for this country.


Psssh, you and your stories.  I doubt these, "founding fathers" of yours have any BIBLICAL evidence of even existing.

I'd continue with the creationist troll but it is late and I am tired.  Pretend it was marvelously funny.

PS I'm generally opposed to being forced to buy something if the government doesn't offer a baseline competitor, i.e. a "public option."  I'm also opposed to buying a gun, but that's just because I live a life that's privileged enough owning one would decrease my overall safety (i.e. "I am more likely to get shot by the gun in an accident than be in a situation where the gun would save me.")  But that's just my life, no bearing on others'.
 
2013-09-23 11:12:09 PM

badhatharry: theknuckler_33: badhatharry: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: badhatharry: I don't have to buy anything I don't want. This idea, it's a very bad idea.

The government has always had the power to make you buy clothing.

The government has the power to make you wear clothing in public. It certainly doesn't have the power to make you buy overpriced clothing only available from their cronies.

So, just so I know I'm reading you right, you favor a single-payer system?

That would at least actually lower the cost. I would prefer a public option. With states and localities in charge of it, like education.


So, it's safe to say that, given the undeniable fact that single-payer/public option had no chance of passing, that you are saying the status quo was better than the ACA? That's basically what you are saying, right?
 
2013-09-23 11:12:15 PM
The exchanges will open October 1, and open enrollment will happen (in the states that are onboard with the exchanges), whether or not there is a shutdown, and whether or not Obamacare is "defunded". Deal with it, teabaggers.
 
2013-09-23 11:20:26 PM
This will be interesting.
 
2013-09-23 11:22:43 PM

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.


twat_waffle: raerae1980: Chak: It's awesome sitting back and watching Aristocles aka Skinnyhead getting fact raped on links he uses to try and support his derp.

I don't think they are the same.  SH was bearable to read but this new guy....nope.  BORING.  I mean, how many times is he gonna type "read a book".   It's elementary.

I think I just figured out who Aristocles is...


ct.fra.bz
 
2013-09-23 11:24:09 PM

Aristocles: Karac: Aristocles: That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we YOU can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.


God, how the current crop makes me wish for the days of old; when Bevets would put in real effort, sourcing and citing cherry-picked quotes; when winterwhile would show up with his half-ounce of artistic, if bad, talent.

The new schmucks can't even figure out to to quote-mine.

So you're telling me I got ONE word wrong? And said word doesn't really change the sense of the quote?

Well, I must say, this calls for an ohsnap.jpg Well done, sir.


I don't know what you are smoking, but that one word completely changes the sense of the quote.
It no longer implies that "we" (the government) does not know what is in the bill.

\Also, who is Bob?
 
2013-09-23 11:24:11 PM

IlGreven: The exchanges will open October 1, and open enrollment will happen (in the states that are onboard with the exchanges), whether or not there is a shutdown, and whether or not Obamacare is "defunded". Deal with it, teabaggers.


So, we could end up with Obamacare mandatory but not funded.
 
2013-09-23 11:28:14 PM

flondrix: IlGreven: The exchanges will open October 1, and open enrollment will happen (in the states that are onboard with the exchanges), whether or not there is a shutdown, and whether or not Obamacare is "defunded". Deal with it, teabaggers.

So, we could end up with Obamacare mandatory but not funded.


As has been noted by multiple analysts, very little -- if any -- of the Affordable Care Act would be impacted by a federal government shutdown.
 
2013-09-23 11:36:13 PM
When is the government shutdown scheduled, if it does happen?
 
2013-09-23 11:41:53 PM

Aristocles: falcon176: is it lib in here or is it just everybody

It ain't everyone... I'm smackin down Farklib propagand left an right, but I'll save some for you should you care to partake.


It's cute you think that, but you haven't been factually correct since your initial login. You're like the retarded puppy who everyone just pats on the head when it shiats all over the floor.
 
2013-09-23 11:43:03 PM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

The polls where they've asked people how they feel about the policies in the bill without calling it 'Obamacare' show overwhelming support.  There's just been too much FUD out there and many people don't realize how it works.

Of course the individual mandate isn't popular, but the whole thing falls apart without it.  I'm not a huge fan of the individual mandate either, but that's due to the lack of a public option, if that existed so I could pay for government issued health care instead of being forced to pay a private company, I'd be all for it.

That's because Pelosi told us "We have to pass the bill, so we can find out what's in it," and shortly thereafter proceeded to ram it down our throats.

/Remember that stupid gavel.


I tend to lurk far more than I post. At first I thought your schtick had some humor potential, but it's just so over-the-top infromed that I cannot in good conscience bother myself with your tripe anymore.

Coming from someone who still reads queso and deep thoughts, lemme say "plonk."

Also, I've noticed that I don't see any Hope 'n Change comics in the threads where you unload your bowels.
 
2013-09-23 11:43:54 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.

I'd love to know how, as a nation, we got to a place where ONE industry has so much clout that the national government is legislating that unimaginable wealth be directed to it by all citizens.
Fark that.


I'm not a fan of the individual mandate specifically because it forces us to support for-profit corporations.  However, it's necessary to make the rest of the law work.

Now, the ACA is overcomplicated, but that's the nature of any bipartisan legislation.  The GOP wanted certain things, the Democrats wanted certain things, so the whole thing is the result of compromise and tit-for-tat.

Even as overcomplicated as it is, and with the messy individual mandate situation, it's a hell of a lot better than what we had before.  If the GOP were to come up with a plan that kept the good parts but made it simpler and didn't put our money directly into the hands of corporations, I'd certainly listen, but they don't have another viable plan, they're just out to get rid of this one.

Obama should have just expanded Medicare for everyone and funded it through tax increases when the Democrats controlled both houses of Congress after he took office.  Instead he decided to play the nice guy and actually tried to work with the GOP, who took full advantage of his naiveté at the time.

We should have universal single payer.  If repealing the ACA would get it, I'd be all for it, but it won't, it will just give us our old shiatty system back.
 
2013-09-23 11:44:41 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


It will be the rest of the world laughing at the United States.
 
2013-09-23 11:44:53 PM

Testiclaw: When is the government shutdown scheduled, if it does happen?


...read the first sentence of TFA...
 
2013-09-23 11:46:04 PM
I don't really understand how the process works, but what if the whole thing is a ruse? Cruz already said it was a doomed undertaking. But now he's going to support what he just said was pointless? What if he said he was going to filibuster, and so nobody else has to get ready to filibuster it(whatever preperations there are, I seem to recall something about reading from the phonebook). Then, when it's time he simply says something, probably some bs he thinks will play well in the media and just doesn't do the filibuster.
 
2013-09-23 11:47:06 PM

Testiclaw: When is the government shutdown scheduled, if it does happen?


Funding for current government functions ends as of October 1. If continued funding is not authorized, the federal government will "shut down" on that date.
 
2013-09-23 11:49:35 PM

TuteTibiImperes: What I think is getting lost in the coverage is that this bill supposedly does a lot of other bullshiat things in addition to defunding Obamacare.  Googling around all I can find are the Obamacare mentions, but doesn't it also cut funding for other important programs?  Anyone have a good source?


And Keystone pipeline
 
2013-09-23 11:54:24 PM

Aristocles: we hate it.


if you were actually speaking for even a majority of Americans we would be in deep shiat.
 
2013-09-24 12:03:59 AM
Am I the only one who wants to see Edwardo's citizenship exam? Long form, please.
 
2013-09-24 12:06:04 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: as compared to the Republican Party


imageshack.us
 
2013-09-24 12:06:47 AM
img6.imageshack.us
 
2013-09-24 12:15:16 AM
BOB,
img7.imageshack.us
will you and Living Praise Choir lead us in "To God Be the Glory?"
 
2013-09-24 12:16:26 AM

Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.


Let's see these polls then.
 
2013-09-24 12:19:56 AM
Workers at DHS have already gotten the email that we'll be furloughed if there isn't a bill passed.  On on hand, I'm thinking "shiat, I won't get paid."  But on the other hand "Well, I'm having wrist surgery anyway, this will save the leave I was going to take."

I wish if they were to shutdown the government, there would be absolutely NO federal services, critical or not.  Every agency should stop providing services, whether funded by appropriations or not.  The ONLY feds that would be working are Congress people and the President, and that's without pay (not that that matters to them anyway.)  Then this crap wouldn't be happening all the damned time.
 
2013-09-24 12:20:39 AM

Corvus: So Republicans are both FOR and AGAINST the same CR bill. Refused to go to reconciliation on the Budget bill with the Senate and we are supposed to try to believe it's Obama's fault?


Riiiiiight!


There are a lot of people out there who are profoundly hard of thinking. They will believe it.
 
2013-09-24 12:24:21 AM
Man I though Aristocles had won another thread with farking BOB, but SevenisGud has gone past Poe's law into straight up cartoonish super villainy...but continues to hook people.

Just truly awful trolling and yet still completely dominating the thread. Either it is the golden age of Fark trolling, or the other people who post here have gotten a lot dumber.
 
2013-09-24 12:28:15 AM
The dumbest thing about this is that they'll end up paying the federal government employees for the time they missed while furloughed. No one in Congress would want that many fedgov employees that pissed at them.
 
2013-09-24 12:32:14 AM

js34603: Man I though Aristocles had won another thread with farking BOB, but SevenisGud has gone past Poe's law into straight up cartoonish super villainy...but continues to hook people.

Just truly awful trolling and yet still completely dominating the thread. Either it is the golden age of Fark trolling, or the other people who post here have gotten a lot dumber.


the amazing bit was around page 3 where it was just back and forth "DO YOU SUPPORT THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE??" "THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HATE THIS BILL" "BUT THEY DON'T WANT IT DEFUNDED, DO YOU SUPPORT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE??" "THE PEOPLE HATE THIS BILL, LOOK AT THIS POLL!" "NO YOU LOOK AT THIS POLL!" "THAT POLL IS GARBAGE, THERE ARE LOTS OF POLLS THAT SAY OTHERWISE!"
 
2013-09-24 12:34:27 AM

Aristocles: Corvus: Remember when the Republicans demanded the Senate pass a budget bill? They said it was SO important to pass a real budget and not pass things via CRs... Then the Senate did and the Republicans refused to have a reconcile committee because they would be forced to compromise and wouldn't be able to hold the US hostage to get their way.

No one is mentioning this is how we got here. If we passed a real budge like the Republicans were demanding for and then refused to do we wouldn't be having this problem now,

You mean how BOB and the dems forced a crummy law down Americans' throats?


You're a very unhappy person aren't you? I think most people who are excessively partisan are probably fundamentally unhappy.
 
2013-09-24 12:35:28 AM

Aristocles: theknuckler_33: SevenizGud: LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?

Preferably both.

Hard to believe such a douche-tastic view hasn't caught on.

Oh, but it has... don't the dems and libs want to steal your money when you die? I believe it's called the estate tax. Both the "preferably both" and the dem-lib view want you to die broke.


You're not very smart, are ya?
 
2013-09-24 12:44:59 AM

Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-24 12:54:53 AM

js34603: Man I though Aristocles had won another thread with farking BOB, but SevenisGud has gone past Poe's law into straight up cartoonish super villainy...but continues to hook people.

Just truly awful trolling and yet still completely dominating the thread. Either it is the golden age of Fark trolling, or the other people who post here have gotten a lot dumber.


I plonked Aristocles two days ago, but I've seen no effect.  Thanks y'all.
 
2013-09-24 12:55:10 AM

SevenizGud: LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.

Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.


Is that why Canada with it's socialist health system has overtaken the United States in per capita GDP. Not to mention Sweden, Switzerland, Luxembourg. And Australia, Britain, Ireland and even Hong Kong catching up.

And that's trend is not recent either - the US took the number one spot from the UK in 1910 and lost it to Sweden in the 1980s. What happened in the 1980s?
 
2013-09-24 12:56:26 AM

kg2095: And that's trend is not recent either - the US took the number one spot from the UK in 1910 and lost it to Sweden in the 1980s. What happened in the 1980s?


Hulkamania?
 
2013-09-24 12:56:51 AM

falcon176: is it lib in here or is it just everybody


No, there's a good few authoritarian die hards in here as well.
 
2013-09-24 12:57:48 AM

Mentat: kg2095: And that's trend is not recent either - the US took the number one spot from the UK in 1910 and lost it to Sweden in the 1980s. What happened in the 1980s?

Hulkamania?


Saint Ronnie?
 
2013-09-24 01:02:47 AM

SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.


Let's hope you never lose you job at the age of 56 and become long term unemployed then SevenizGud, what?
 
2013-09-24 01:03:21 AM

kg2095: SevenizGud: LordJiro: Yes, full steam ahead. Tank the economy because the Teabaggers can't stand the thought of poor people getting healthcare.

Uhm, I was thinking more along the lines of I'll pay for my healthcare and you pay for yours, and fark you if you think I should be responsible for your oreo-guzzling ass.

And it will be better for the economy, not worse.

Is that why Canada with it's socialist health system has overtaken the United States in per capita GDP. Not to mention Sweden, Switzerland, Luxembourg. And Australia, Britain, Ireland and even Hong Kong catching up.

And that's trend is not recent either - the US took the number one spot from the UK in 1910 and lost it to Sweden in the 1980s. What happened in the 1980s?


Miami Vice?
 
2013-09-24 01:04:59 AM

Aristocles: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: TuteTibiImperes: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Alternatively, the House could behave and just pass what Obama and the Senate tell them to, instead of going against the will of the people again and again trying to repeal the ACA, especially since the majority of the country supports the ACA and wants to see it put into action.

Polls show that most Americans don't want Obamacare.

/sure, there are some items in the legislation that we like, but as a whole, including the mandate, we hate it.

Wrong again. Polls show American do not want Obamacare defunded.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101053976

herpity dooo!

Polls show Americans do not want Obamacare defunded if it means a government shut down.

There'd be no government shut down if BOB and the dems worked in good faith.

Who is Bob?

I guess you didn't read the article did you? It says aajoorty of the American public do not want Obamacre defunded. Period. End of story. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200.

The percent of Americans who do not want Obamacare defunds goes from a majority to a bigger majority if it means a government shutdown.

Can you be more wrong on this issue?

On the law itself, moreover, 52 percent are opposed, vs. 42 percent in support; in 16 ABC/Post polls since August 2009, it's never received majority support. (pdf)

Read a book sometime.

So you didn't read the poll I posted that show a majority of Americans do not want Obamacare defunded?

There are lots of reasons to oppose the bill that don't fit into your insistance that it needs to be defunded. The American people have spoken and they said, "do not defund Obamacare."

I said that the majority of people don't want Obamacare, period. I didn't say anything a ...


Replace with what?
 
2013-09-24 01:06:10 AM

SevenizGud: 12349876: Otherwise, it's better for everyone to have skin in the game taking care of each other.

Yeah, I'm for utopia too.

Meanwhile, in the real world....


Well actually, I think you mean in the rest of the developed world where government provided health care is a reality.
 
2013-09-24 01:08:32 AM

SevenizGud: LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?

Preferably both.


I was thinking of defending you against Felgraf's assertion that you are a terrible human being. Then I read this.
 
2013-09-24 01:09:37 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: [Fark pet troll sent to /dev/null where s/he/it belongs]

I'd love to know how, as a nation, we got to a place where ONE industry has so much clout that the national government is legislating that unimaginable wealth be directed to it by all citizens.
Fark that.


Because a proper health care system like other countries have is zOMG SOOOOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
2013-09-24 01:11:13 AM
You would think that even an exceptionally stupid fark-wit would, if he had ambitions to presidential office, not want to be directly personally responsible for a government shutdown, countless lost jobs, vast misery and disruption.

Basically you would think that he would be able to remember the detritus of Newt Gingrich's career and take a lesson from that.
 
2013-09-24 01:12:39 AM

gaspode: You would think that even an exceptionally stupid fark-wit would, if he had ambitions to presidential office, not want to be directly personally responsible for a government shutdown, countless lost jobs, vast misery and disruption.

Basically you would think that he would be able to remember the detritus of Newt Gingrich's career and take a lesson from that.


He's Canadian. You think he spent much time studying US history?
 
2013-09-24 01:14:13 AM

Aristocles: selfish


The only post here that said they should die is from SevenizGud who is either a troll or an authoritarian.

SevenizGud: LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?

Preferably both.
 
2013-09-24 01:15:46 AM

SevenizGud: 12349876: Then tell your Republican buddies to tell the world that they want poor kids with cancer to die without treatment.

Way to misrepresent what I said. I never said they should get no treatment. I said they shouldn't get treatment that they don't pay for. They should still get treatment up until the point where they run out of money.


Really? What happened to preferably both?
 
2013-09-24 01:16:26 AM

kg2095: SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.

Let's hope you never lose you job at the age of 56 and become long term unemployed then SevenizGud, what?


Keep your dirty hands off his Medicare and Social Security!
 
2013-09-24 01:24:54 AM
i419.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-24 01:28:59 AM

Dimensio: simplicimus: When did the popularity of a law become a meaningful criticism? ACA was passed by both Houses, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court. It doesn't get more legitimate than that.

Tea Party activists insist that the law is Unconstitutional, therefore funding it would violate the Constitution, based upon their reasoning.


So the Supreme Court no longer has any say as to what is Constitutional? Strange world these people live in.
 
2013-09-24 01:33:14 AM

simplicimus: Dimensio: simplicimus: When did the popularity of a law become a meaningful criticism? ACA was passed by both Houses, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court. It doesn't get more legitimate than that.

Tea Party activists insist that the law is Unconstitutional, therefore funding it would violate the Constitution, based upon their reasoning.

So the Supreme Court no longer has any say as to what is Constitutional? Strange world these people live in.


Tea Party activists also huff paint and shiat themselves, but that's neither here nor there...
 
2013-09-24 01:33:32 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i419.photobucket.com image 491x715]


Well, as much as I hate to use Ignore, I had to make an exception today.
 
2013-09-24 01:38:34 AM

simplicimus: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i419.photobucket.com image 491x715]

Well, as much as I hate to use Ignore, I had to make an exception today.


what's a "newsgroup"?

//ducks
 
2013-09-24 01:43:34 AM

StopLurkListen: simplicimus: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i419.photobucket.com image 491x715]

Well, as much as I hate to use Ignore, I had to make an exception today.

what's a "newsgroup"?

//ducks


I don't mind people who disagree with me or with whom I disagree, as long as something is added to the discussion. I now have 5 who bring nothing of value to the debate and are also annoying. I'm not proud of this, but I come here to play, not to watch troll circle jerks.
 
2013-09-24 01:44:16 AM

Ishidan: kg2095: SevenizGud: PanicMan: And what happens if i am unwilling or unable to pay for my health care?

Then, TA-DA!, you don't get health care.

Just like you don't get a car if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.
Just like you don't get food if you are unwilling or unable to pay for it.

Let's hope you never lose you job at the age of 56 and become long term unemployed then SevenizGud, what?

Keep your dirty hands off his Medicare and Social Security!


If his type got their way there would be no Medicare or Social Security.
 
2013-09-24 01:45:37 AM

simplicimus: Mentat: kg2095: And that's trend is not recent either - the US took the number one spot from the UK in 1910 and lost it to Sweden in the 1980s. What happened in the 1980s?

Hulkamania?

Saint Ronnie?


Naw that couldn't be it. It must be Miami Vice or Hulkmania.
 
2013-09-24 01:50:00 AM

simplicimus: StopLurkListen: simplicimus: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i419.photobucket.com image 491x715]

Well, as much as I hate to use Ignore, I had to make an exception today.

what's a "newsgroup"?

//ducks

I don't mind people who disagree with me or with whom I disagree, as long as something is added to the discussion. I now have 5 who bring nothing of value to the debate and are also annoying. I'm not proud of this, but I come here to play, not to watch troll circle jerks.


Sorry, I wasn't yanking your chain, I was joking about the mention of "newsgroup" in that "Don't Feed The Trolls" image, that it has probably joined "cassette tape" and "corded phone" in Kids Today Have No Idea What You're Talking About.

//alt.binaries.your-mom
 
2013-09-24 01:50:41 AM

StopLurkListen: simplicimus: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i419.photobucket.com image 491x715]

Well, as much as I hate to use Ignore, I had to make an exception today.

what's a "newsgroup"?

//ducks


I do have to wonder why that image uses the word "newsgroups"; one can post an image to Usenet but most clients won't automatically display it.
 
2013-09-24 02:05:37 AM

Aristocles: Dimensio: SevenizGud: LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?

Preferably both.

As you are already known to be a liar (based upon your previous usage of a demonstrably dishonest claim when you tried to deny climate change science), your opinion is of no value.

I guess the libtrolls are trying to derail the thread since they're getting their asses handed to them.

Read a book sometime


I like you as the "who?" guy.

Don't lose that.

Never forget.

Be all you can be.
 
2013-09-24 02:06:33 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: StopLurkListen: simplicimus: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i419.photobucket.com image 491x715]

Well, as much as I hate to use Ignore, I had to make an exception today.

what's a "newsgroup"?

//ducks

I do have to wonder why that image uses the word "newsgroups"; one can post an image to Usenet but most clients won't automatically display it.


Usenet still exists?
 
2013-09-24 02:10:10 AM

simplicimus: Lee Jackson Beauregard: StopLurkListen: simplicimus: Lee Jackson Beauregard: [i419.photobucket.com image 491x715]

Well, as much as I hate to use Ignore, I had to make an exception today.

what's a "newsgroup"?

//ducks

I do have to wonder why that image uses the word "newsgroups"; one can post an image to Usenet but most clients won't automatically display it.

Usenet still exists?


I thought it was replaced by skynet...

/What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-09-24 02:12:18 AM

kg2095: If his type got their way there would be no Medicare or Social Security.


Seriously. What next, Foodicare, phoneicare, Mad-dog-icare, 26" rims-icare?

Social security should consist of you not stealing my money, and me using what I don't spend for my retirement.

Medicare should consist of you not looking at me when you need money for YOUR health care.

In other words, I've got mine, and you would already have yours if you weren't so stupid and lazy. The solution is for you to be less stupid and lazy, not to steal from me to cover for your stupidity and laziness.
 
2013-09-24 02:18:29 AM

SevenizGud: kg2095: If his type got their way there would be no Medicare or Social Security.

Seriously. What next, Foodicare, phoneicare, Mad-dog-icare, 26" rims-icare?

Social security should consist of you not stealing my money, and me using what I don't spend for my retirement.

Medicare should consist of you not looking at me when you need money for YOUR health care.

In other words, I've got mine, and you would already have yours if you weren't so stupid and lazy. The solution is for you to be less stupid and lazy, not to steal from me to cover for your stupidity and laziness.


While I am almost 100% certain you do not believe what you posted, I commend the immense stupidity you conjured up to write that down. Of course, I'm sure you are familiar with how society works, and how the modern world which you are enjoying so much came to be, so I'll just leave it at that.
 
2013-09-24 02:19:05 AM

SevenizGud: kg2095: If his type got their way there would be no Medicare or Social Security.

Seriously. What next, Foodicare, phoneicare, Mad-dog-icare, 26" rims-icare?

Social security should consist of you not stealing my money, and me using what I don't spend for my retirement.

Medicare should consist of you not looking at me when you need money for YOUR health care.

In other words, I've got mine, and you would already have yours if you weren't so stupid and lazy. The solution is for you to be less stupid and lazy, not to steal from me to cover for your stupidity and laziness.


Social Security and Medicare are self funded. What else has talk radio told you?
 
2013-09-24 02:20:55 AM

simplicimus: SevenizGud: kg2095: If his type got their way there would be no Medicare or Social Security.

Seriously. What next, Foodicare, phoneicare, Mad-dog-icare, 26" rims-icare?

Social security should consist of you not stealing my money, and me using what I don't spend for my retirement.

Medicare should consist of you not looking at me when you need money for YOUR health care.

In other words, I've got mine, and you would already have yours if you weren't so stupid and lazy. The solution is for you to be less stupid and lazy, not to steal from me to cover for your stupidity and laziness.

Social Security and Medicare are self funded. What else has talk radio told you?


 Tragedy struck today in Sector 9 as rebel terrorists blew up the Death Star killing thousands. The Rebel Alliance, a fringe group of Anti-Empire fanatics, has claimed responsibility for the terrorist act. Fortunately Lord Vader escaped without harm. Our hearts go out to the families of the victims.
 
2013-09-24 02:21:57 AM

simplicimus: Social Security and Medicare are self funded. What else has talk radio told you?


Want to know how I know you don't know what paygo means?
 
2013-09-24 02:23:05 AM

HighOnCraic: Tragedy struck today in Sector 9 as rebel terrorists blew up the Death Star killing thousands. The Rebel Alliance, a fringe group of Anti-Empire fanatics, has claimed responsibility for the terrorist act. Fortunately Lord Vader escaped without harm. Our hearts go out to the families of the victims.


Don't forget the endless advertisements from the Gold-Bullion Finance Guild based in the Outer Rim
 
2013-09-24 02:26:10 AM

From The Woods: how the modern world which you are enjoying so much came to be


Yeah, I am acutely aware of how I worked hard to get where I am, in spite of a lot of cancers on society demanding I give them my money so they can buy the same shiat as I have, in spite of the fact that they are worthless turds who never did anything useful in their lives.

Just think how much MORE I would be enjoying the modern world if it weren't filled with a bunch of greedy "gimme free healthcare" losers.
 
2013-09-24 02:28:58 AM

SevenizGud: simplicimus: Social Security and Medicare are self funded. What else has talk radio told you?

Want to know how I know you don't know what paygo means?


Oh for deity of choice's sake, just raise the artificial contribution limit or institute means testing. The systems would remain solvent. So what else has talk radio told you?
 
2013-09-24 02:33:06 AM

SevenizGud: From The Woods: how the modern world which you are enjoying so much came to be

Yeah, I am acutely aware of how I worked hard to get where I am, in spite of a lot of cancers on society demanding I give them my money so they can buy the same shiat as I have, in spite of the fact that they are worthless turds who never did anything useful in their lives.

Just think how much MORE I would be enjoying the modern world if it weren't filled with a bunch of greedy "gimme free healthcare" losers.


I'm also acutely aware of the caricature of a conservative you are representing. Republicans of yore would laugh in your face if you said such things to them... this is blatantly crafted to be incendiary and provoke a strong response from FarkLibs. Though I guess it is appropriate in this space to go ahead and say you used to be a gleam in your fathers eye, then a pathetically fragile babe, then a vulnerable child, and that there have always been and will always be a segment of the populace that have grown old and infirm, yet deserve dignity in their old age despite being unable to work. Your caricatures generalization of large amounts of people as being unwilling to work, or mentally retarded, stems from the strong current of racism towards impoverished blacks that has been around in the dixiecrat/southern republican area forever.
 
2013-09-24 02:33:53 AM

simplicimus: institute means testing


In other words, pay into it...but don't get anything out unless your life is a total washout.

Yeah, that's stellar public policy.
 
2013-09-24 02:35:49 AM

SevenizGud: From The Woods: how the modern world which you are enjoying so much came to be

Yeah, I am acutely aware of how I worked hard to get where I am, in spite of a lot of cancers on society demanding I give them my money so they can buy the same shiat as I have, in spite of the fact that they are worthless turds who never did anything useful in their lives.

Just think how much MORE I would be enjoying the modern world if it weren't filled with a bunch of greedy "gimme free healthcare" losers.


Ok, so you can't escape microeconomic thinking. Here's what happens on the macro level: Insurance risk pools increase which is good for insurance companies as the pool expands to include low-risk participants. Minor medical conditions are covered which means costly (and mostly unreimbursed) ER treatments are avoided, reducing loss to hospitals, thus reducing the costs of hospitals to provide services. Simple enough for you? More profits for Insurance companies, less revenue loss for hospitals.
 
2013-09-24 02:36:28 AM

simplicimus: SevenizGud: simplicimus: Social Security and Medicare are self funded. What else has talk radio told you?

Want to know how I know you don't know what paygo means?

Oh for deity of choice's sake, just raise the artificial contribution limit or institute means testing. The systems would remain solvent. So what else has talk radio told you?


"Get on the Rocket and see the stars, Rocket Fuel Malt Liquor, DAAAMMMMMNN!"
 
2013-09-24 02:37:45 AM

SevenizGud: simplicimus: institute means testing

In other words, pay into it...but don't get anything out unless your life is a total washout.

Yeah, that's stellar public policy.


I don't get the tax write-offs major corporations get, much less subsidies of such a large scale. What's your point?
 
2013-09-24 02:38:57 AM

From The Woods: Your caricatures generalization of large amounts of people as being unwilling to work, or mentally retarded, stems from the strong current of racism towards impoverished blacks that has been around in the dixiecrat/southern republican area forever.


Yeah, well I'm for telling people of all shades to get a farking job. But way to play the race card. It worked so well for Detroit maybe we should use it nationwide.
 
2013-09-24 02:41:10 AM

SevenizGud: From The Woods: Your caricatures generalization of large amounts of people as being unwilling to work, or mentally retarded, stems from the strong current of racism towards impoverished blacks that has been around in the dixiecrat/southern republican area forever.

Yeah, well I'm for telling people of all shades to get a farking job. But way to play the race card. It worked so well for Detroit maybe we should use it nationwide.


Where there are jobs to give, there are people that will apply for it. Do you agree?
 
2013-09-24 02:43:04 AM

simplicimus: Here's what happens on the macro level: Insurance risk pools increase


Why would I want to be lumped in a risk pool with a bunch of people who smoke and make all those other retarded health care decisions?

Should I also want to be in a car insurance risk pool with 16-year-old boys, because...increased risk pool?
 
2013-09-24 02:43:20 AM

SevenizGud: From The Woods: Your caricatures generalization of large amounts of people as being unwilling to work, or mentally retarded, stems from the strong current of racism towards impoverished blacks that has been around in the dixiecrat/southern republican area forever.

Yeah, well I'm for telling people of all shades to get a farking job. But way to play the race card. It worked so well for Detroit maybe we should use it nationwide.


Numerically, there are far more whites on welfare than nonwhites. Percentage speaking, the distribution is troubling, but based on volume, this is a white persons system.
 
2013-09-24 02:44:11 AM

simplicimus: Numerically, there are far more whites on welfare than nonwhites. Percentage speaking, the distribution is troubling, but based on volume, this is a white persons system.


Drop the rolls to zero. Unambiguous fairness.
 
2013-09-24 02:44:49 AM

SevenizGud: simplicimus: Here's what happens on the macro level: Insurance risk pools increase

Why would I want to be lumped in a risk pool with a bunch of people who smoke and make all those other retarded health care decisions?

Should I also want to be in a car insurance risk pool with 16-year-old boys, because...increased risk pool?


It's how insurance companies work. Blame the actuaries if you don't like the system.
 
2013-09-24 02:45:14 AM

From The Woods: Where there are jobs to give, there are people that will apply for it. Do you agree?


You mean outside of Detroit?
 
2013-09-24 02:46:18 AM

SevenizGud: simplicimus: Numerically, there are far more whites on welfare than nonwhites. Percentage speaking, the distribution is troubling, but based on volume, this is a white persons system.

Drop the rolls to zero. Unambiguous fairness.


Seriously, you're going the "are there no workhouses" route?
 
2013-09-24 02:46:32 AM

SevenizGud: simplicimus: Numerically, there are far more whites on welfare than nonwhites. Percentage speaking, the distribution is troubling, but based on volume, this is a white persons system.

Drop the rolls to zero. Unambiguous fairness.


The bold part is why that will never happen.
 
2013-09-24 02:49:35 AM
A curious paradox defines the politics of welfare in the United States. On the one hand, we are an extraordinarily generous and forgiving people. In 1998 Americans donated more than $170 billion to charity, and we have proven open to giving just about anyone (even, say, a philandering president) a second chance. Americans are willing, even enthusiastic, supporters of vast social programs aimed at protecting individuals from what Franklin Roosevelt called "the hazards and vicissitudes of life."

On the other hand, Americans are more likely to be poor than citizens of other industrial countries, and American government does less than other advanced nations to shield its citizens from poverty. If we're so generous, just why do Americans hate welfare?

This puzzle is at the heart of Martin Gilens's compelling book, and his answer can be summed up in a word: race. Americans dislike the programs most commonly called "welfare"-- especially Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) and its successor, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF)--not because they are too individualistic to believe in public social provision or too self-interested to pay for it, but because they associate these programs with African Americans. Gilens, a Yale political scientist, traces this connection in the public mind to the mid- to late 1960s, when urban violence drew the spotlight of the national media to ghetto poverty.
But therein lies another paradox. Never have Americans been as tolerant of racial diversity or as supportive of the rights and aspirations of African Americans as in the past few decades (although there is still a long way to travel on both roads). So how can it be that race remains the principal barrier to more generous and universal social policy?
The book's most original contribution is to demonstrate quite ingeniously the distorting impact of the media's focus on urban poverty. Media images of the poor are disproportionately black. While African Americans make up about 30 percent of the poor, about 60 percent of the poor people shown on network television news and depicted in the major newsweeklies between 1988 and 1992 were black. Similarly, the media portray the black poor in a disproportionately negative light. Every single picture in newsweekly stories about the "underclass"--the ghetto poor--between 1950 and 1992 showed African Americans, Gilens finds. In more sympathetic stories about predicaments such as hunger or medical care among the poor, only about one-fourth of the people pictured were black.
As a result of systematic distortion, Americans consistently overestimate the black proportion of the poor and of welfare recipients. More important, however, these slanted images of black poverty evoke age-old stereotypes about African Americans--that they are lazy, unintelligent, and so forth--labeling them as undeserving recipi-ents of public assistance. The white poor more often are seen as striving and hard working, yet helpless in the face of social and economic forces beyond their control.


http://prospect.org/article/why-americans-hate-welfare
 
2013-09-24 02:54:17 AM

SevenizGud: From The Woods: how the modern world which you are enjoying so much came to be

Yeah, I am acutely aware of how I worked hard to get where I am, in spite of a lot of cancers on society demanding I give them my money so they can buy the same shiat as I have, in spite of the fact that they are worthless turds who never did anything useful in their lives.

Just think how much MORE I would be enjoying the modern world if it weren't filled with a bunch of greedy "gimme free healthcare" losers.


Well, going by international quality of life rankings, you'd likely enjoy it quite a bit more if we had socialized universal health care.  Places like Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Iceland, Finland, and Denmark, which have strong socialized safety nets and universal health care systems along with strong capitalist economies, rank ahead of us on that index.
 
2013-09-24 02:55:09 AM

SevenizGud: simplicimus: Here's what happens on the macro level: Insurance risk pools increase

Why would I want to be lumped in a risk pool with a bunch of people who smoke and make all those other retarded health care decisions?

Should I also want to be in a car insurance risk pool with 16-year-old boys, because...increased risk pool?


why would you want...?

Insurance has nothing to do with what you want, it is about providing a large enough pool so that the cost for everyone is low. If you got the insurance you wanted, everyone in your pool would never get sick, never have a car accident, etc. and your rate would be extremely low because no one messes up. But that's not how life works. Accidents happen. People smoke. But even so, when literally everyone pays in to the same system, the cost for everyone is extremely low. This is much better than our current system of healthcare, for instance, and its something the ACA tried to do with the mandate. The problem is, single payer would cost barely any overhead compared to mandated private insurance, whose only function in reality is to rip people off
 
2013-09-24 02:56:55 AM

TuteTibiImperes: Well, going by international quality of life rankings, you'd likely enjoy it quite a bit more if we had socialized universal health care.  Places like Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Iceland, Finland, and Denmark, which have strong socialized safety nets and universal health care systems along with strong capitalist economies, rank ahead of us on that index.


His next comment will be to the effect of "Yeah but there aren't so many stupid blacks in scandinavia" if I have him pegged right.
 
2013-09-24 03:01:13 AM

From The Woods: SevenizGud: simplicimus: Here's what happens on the macro level: Insurance risk pools increase

Why would I want to be lumped in a risk pool with a bunch of people who smoke and make all those other retarded health care decisions?

Should I also want to be in a car insurance risk pool with 16-year-old boys, because...increased risk pool?

why would you want...?

Insurance has nothing to do with what you want, it is about providing a large enough pool so that the cost for everyone is low. If you got the insurance you wanted, everyone in your pool would never get sick, never have a car accident, etc. and your rate would be extremely low because no one messes up. But that's not how life works. Accidents happen. People smoke. But even so, when literally everyone pays in to the same system, the cost for everyone is extremely low. This is much better than our current system of healthcare, for instance, and its something the ACA tried to do with the mandate. The problem is, single payer would cost barely any overhead compared to mandated private insurance, whose only function in reality is to rip people off


Single payer would have the added advantage of much easier cost control.  The government madates that it's accepted everywhere, and sets the reimbursements rates for all procedures, medications, etc, at a reasonable level.  Bingo, you get increased access to care at a lower cost.
 
2013-09-24 03:06:54 AM

SevenizGud: From The Woods: Where there are jobs to give, there are people that will apply for it. Do you agree?

You mean outside of Detroit?


What, a formerly major US city that had a string of bad politicians and was built to provide jobs that evaporated due to variables outside of the control of a local government or populace?

A significant black populace that faced harsh and widespread segregation and discrimination in the 40's, and when they lashed out against it, many of the wealthier whites left taking their white money and their economic source with them?

This is not an excuse for the behavior of some of the black populace in the inner city, but perhaps an explanation. I will blame the individual as well as the circumstances that led to that individual. Just as I will say the same about methhead whites out in the suburbs of Detroit
 
2013-09-24 03:15:33 AM

From The Woods: SevenizGud: From The Woods: Where there are jobs to give, there are people that will apply for it. Do you agree?

You mean outside of Detroit?

What, a formerly major US city that had a string of bad politicians and was built to provide jobs that evaporated due to variables outside of the control of a local government or populace?

A significant black populace that faced harsh and widespread segregation and discrimination in the 40's, and when they lashed out against it, many of the wealthier whites left taking their white money and their economic source with them?

This is not an excuse for the behavior of some of the black populace in the inner city, but perhaps an explanation. I will blame the individual as well as the circumstances that led to that individual. Just as I will say the same about methhead whites out in the suburbs of Detroit


I lived in Dublin for four years, and I saw lots of social dysfunction on the North Side and in South Side neighborhoods like Dolphin's Barn and Tallaght, and that was back in the days when the Celtic Tiger was roaring--yet there were lots of poor, pasty white people doing farked up shiat because they were poor.

Veronica Guerin is unavailable for comment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veronica_Guerin
 
2013-09-24 03:16:56 AM

From The Woods: SevenizGud: From The Woods: Where there are jobs to give, there are people that will apply for it. Do you agree?

You mean outside of Detroit?

What, a formerly major US city that had a string of bad politicians and was built to provide jobs that evaporated due to variables outside of the control of a local government or populace?

A significant black populace that faced harsh and widespread segregation and discrimination in the 40's, and when they lashed out against it, many of the wealthier whites left taking their white money and their economic source with them?

This is not an excuse for the behavior of some of the black populace in the inner city, but perhaps an explanation. I will blame the individual as well as the circumstances that led to that individual. Just as I will say the same about methhead whites out in the suburbs of Detroit


I've thought that one of the more peculiar things about the Detroit suburbs is that Dearborn's thriving Middle-Eastern population was largely due to their racist mayor Hubbard who hated black people so much he encouraged Arab immigration instead.
 
2013-09-24 03:25:07 AM
SevenIsGud has trolled this thread right into the ground.

What a debacle
 
2013-09-24 03:40:40 AM

SevenizGud: simplicimus: Social Security and Medicare are self funded. What else has talk radio told you?

Want to know how I know you don't know what paygo means?


Want to know how I I know that empathy and compassion are alien concepts to you?
 
2013-09-24 03:42:39 AM
Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-24 03:46:40 AM

kg2095: What happened in the 1980s?


myggm.org
 
2013-09-24 03:50:00 AM

cretinbob: kg2095: What happened in the 1980s?

[myggm.org image 800x556]


www.crawlsf.com
 
2013-09-24 04:06:21 AM

HighOnCraic: cretinbob: kg2095: What happened in the 1980s?

[myggm.org image 800x556]


Are they not men?
 
2013-09-24 04:09:37 AM
Jeez... I've seen some pretty big assholes say some pretty messed-up shiat on Fark over the years, but this thread is in serious contention for Most Despicable Troll Evar award.

I don't normally wish anyone ill, but I'm pretty close to hoping a particular person here reaps the fruit of his words in the form of a very painful and expensive brand of ass-cancer.
 
2013-09-24 06:17:10 AM
The GOP is going to lose this fight and look like even bigger assholes going into the midterms... Well done, Republicans.
 
2013-09-24 07:33:35 AM

kg2095: SevenizGud: LordJiro: So, if someone who can't afford a hospital bill breaks their arm or gets sick, they should either go bankrupt or die, right?

Preferably both.

I was thinking of defending you against Felgraf's assertion that you are a terrible human being. Then I read this.


That is why I have him/her farkied as "Would make Satan blush"
 
2013-09-24 07:52:08 AM

Felgraf: SevenizGud: 12349876: Otherwise, it's better for everyone to have skin in the game taking care of each other.

Yeah, I'm for utopia too.

Meanwhile, in the real world....

In the real world, there was a government shutdown in 1995 and, rather than your magical government-free utopia appearing, people got PISSED.

In the real world, responsible people who work *hard* can still get shafted by sudden, unexpected medical expenses.

In the real world, you are a terrible human being. I pray that you are never put in the position that you would like to put the poor in, where they must choose between medicine and food, fast death and slow death. Even if the world might be a better place if you *were* put in such a position.


Well, you're a better person than I.  Wouldn't bother me in the least.  His family....yes.  Him.....no way, fark him.
 
2013-09-24 08:14:32 AM

keylock71: The GOP is going to lose this fight and look like even bigger assholes going into the midterms... Well done, Republicans.


And yet people will still sit out the 2014 midterms and the Republicans could still win both the House and the Senate.

If you don't vote, you are endorsing the Tea Party. You are saying that you want the rabid and motivated morons to decide who runs the country.
 
2013-09-24 09:05:38 AM

simplicimus: Dimensio: simplicimus: When did the popularity of a law become a meaningful criticism? ACA was passed by both Houses, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Courtsimplicimus: Dimensio: simplicimus: When did the popularity of a law become a meaningful criticism? ACA was passed by both Houses, signed by the President and upheld by the Supreme Court. It doesn't get more legitimate than that.

Tea Party activists insist that the law is Unconstitutional, therefore funding it would violate the Constitution, based upon their reasoning.

So the Supreme Court no longer has any say as to what is Constitutional? Strange world these people live in.

. It doesn't get more legitimate than that.

Tea Party activists insist that the law is Unconstitutional, therefore funding it would violate the Constitution, based upon their reasoning.

So the Supreme Court no longer has any say as to what is Constitutional? Strange world these people live in.



Senator Rand Paul does not believe so, making him the intellectual equivalent of individuals who claim that the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution does not protect an individual right to keep and bear arms unconnected to membership in a militia.
 
2013-09-24 09:34:04 AM

NateAsbestos: SevenIsGud has trolled  "different opinioned" this thread right into the ground.

What a debacle


/FTFD
//Keep giving him $5 a month, why don't cha
 
2013-09-24 09:42:24 AM
Bob Crane.
 
2013-09-24 10:21:51 AM

twat_waffle: Aristocles: It would also be avoidable if the dems and BOB stood with the Republicans on this one and acted in the interests of, and in accordance with the will of, the people.

Hint: Cruz isn't doing this because he supports Obamacare.

Bob?

[i.huffpost.com image 850x593]
"And over here we're going to build a happy little troll..."


In it's greatest time of need, America will be able to call on the one man that can save them, the one man who was to become the legend to save all that is this country. He will arise from his grave on a happy little hill and save us all.

bobross.com

Happy Trees, motherfarker, DO YOU UNDERSTAND
 
2013-09-24 10:26:51 AM

SevenizGud: Social security should consist of you not stealing my money, and me using what I don't spend for my retirement.


Just out of curiosity, how do you think social security works now?
 
2013-09-24 12:06:57 PM
Can you imagine if you fell into a coma around 1995 and awoke today?   You would see the Democrats pushing for and passing the Republican law for healthcare reform and the Rebublicans fighting tooth and nail to repeal their OWN plan.

I honestly can't tell if the right is so epically genius that they've pulled the left to the right center or if they are just insane.   They can't possibly be this crazy, can they?

/ If Prez Obama was white and had a -R next to his name, he would be considered the greatest Republican president since Lincoln.

//Going back to read the rest of this yummy thread.
 
2013-09-24 12:10:15 PM

maweimer9: I honestly can't tell if the right is so epically genius that they've pulled the left to the right center or if they are just insane.


I look at it another way.  The Dem's shift to the right began, in my mind, under Clinton, when he hijacked the Republican position for welfare reform.  That really seemed to piss off the Republicans, who hadn't yet mobilized as a force to vote against their own proposals.

I think the need to be "to the right" of the Democrats on historical issues forced them to the derp side, as the Democrats happily moved their position to moderate.
 
2013-09-24 12:22:35 PM

Mentat: I plonked Aristocles two days ago, but I've seen no effect.  Thanks y'all.


On the Tools page, there's a checkbox labeled "Ignore posts from unignored users that mention users on your ignore list (Exact match of bolded names)".  It doesn't always work, but it's useful for when people feed the trolls.
 
2013-09-24 01:51:55 PM

HighOnCraic: cretinbob: kg2095: What happened in the 1980s?

[myggm.org image 800x556]

[www.crawlsf.com image 432x288]


That was the 70's although I guess you  could say they hit in 1980. I love me some Devo.
 
2013-09-24 02:21:55 PM

soporific: keylock71: The GOP is going to lose this fight and look like even bigger assholes going into the midterms... Well done, Republicans.

And yet people will still sit out the 2014 midterms and the Republicans could still win both the House and the Senate.

If you don't vote, you are endorsing the Tea Party. You are saying that you want the rabid and motivated morons to decide who runs the country.


Sadly, this is true... The GOP, now more than ever, is relying on the laziness and the ignorance of Americans.
 
2013-09-24 08:40:43 PM

vernonFL: Keep laughing, Libs.

We'll see if you are still laughing in 2014 when the Republican win big majorities in the House and Senate, and then in 2016 when Marco Rubio wins the Presidential election in a landslide. The first bill he'll propose is the repeal of Obamacare.

We'll see who is laughing then.


Hell I'm laughing right now, just reading this.
 
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