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(Huffington Post)   It's completely unfair to say that the 42 votes the House has taken to defund Obamacare were worthless and meaningless wastes of time, after all, they HAVE helped House Democrats raise tons and tons of cash from the law's supporters   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 44
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2013-09-23 06:40:30 PM
While the push to defund Obamacare has been a boon to fundraising on both sides

That's the only reason Republicans keep doing it. Make their base think they're bravely standing on principle.
 
2013-09-23 06:40:33 PM
Ift's completely unfair to expect farkers to proofread before submitting.
 
2013-09-23 07:08:56 PM

fusillade762: While the push to defund Obamacare has been a boon to fundraising on both sides

That's the only reason Republicans keep doing it. Make their base think they're bravely standing on principle.


They have to have something to point at in the 2014 election season when people ask them why they should be elected again.

Yes, they're that stupid.
 
2013-09-23 07:09:31 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Ift's completely unfair to expect farkers to proofread before submitting.


It's click bait, and you ate it
 
2013-09-23 07:10:07 PM
No ift's, and's or but's.
 
2013-09-23 07:10:09 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Ift's completely unfair to expect farkers to proofread before submitting.


As to the article..is this some kind of BSABSVR crap?
 
2013-09-23 07:14:07 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Ift's completely unfair to expect farkers to proofread before submitting.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-23 07:17:44 PM
finalfantasy.ccWHO HAS SUMMONED ME
 
2013-09-23 07:23:02 PM

fusillade762: While the push to defund Obamacare has been a boon to fundraising on both sides

That's the only reason Republicans keep doing it. Make their base think they're bravely standing on principle the throats of our liberal oppressors.

 
2013-09-23 07:24:30 PM
Blood for the blood god, and all that.
 
2013-09-23 07:25:59 PM
What good is giving money to House Democrats? They already support the ACA, the problem is there aren't enough of them.

If you're going to donate money because you support the ACA you'd be better served donating to Democrats running against House Republicans, not the guys who are already there with "aw shucks nothing we can do, guess I'll just keep collecting checks" looks on their faces.
 
2013-09-23 07:27:24 PM

js34603: What good is giving money to House Democrats? They already support the ACA, the problem is there aren't enough of them.

If you're going to donate money because you support the ACA you'd be better served donating to Democrats running against House Republicans, not the guys who are already there with "aw shucks nothing we can do, guess I'll just keep collecting checks" looks on their faces.


Because some of the incumbent Democrat seats are in vulnerable districts.
 
2013-09-23 07:30:41 PM
42 votes that represent each of our Patriotic White Presidents of the past, when the 43rd vote to defund takes place, the second coming of Jesus will commence.
 
2013-09-23 07:31:50 PM

js34603: What good is giving money to House Democrats? They already support the ACA, the problem is there aren't enough of them.

If you're going to donate money because you support the ACA you'd be better served donating to Democrats running against House Republicans, not the guys who are already there with "aw shucks nothing we can do, guess I'll just keep collecting checks" looks on their faces.


These donations aren't going to current Representives' individual campaigns. They are going to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. A good chunk o of that money will end up going to Democrats running to unseat incumbent Republicans.
 
2013-09-23 07:36:10 PM
I suspect the long term goal is to make sure nothing B.O. does is successful?
10 years down the road if B.O. is considered a failure as a president (not the hundreds of idiots that are causing the problem that history will forget) the first black president will be the last black president and they will have achieved their goal? The childish actions of the GOP has gone well beyond the imagination of the greatest fiction writers could have predicted 6 years ago.
 
2013-09-23 07:37:06 PM
Now we wait for the admins to fix the headline rendering jokes about it useless.
 
2013-09-23 07:39:39 PM
Undocumented immigrants may not learn their children are eligible for insurance.

This is not the first thing that illegal aliens are doing wrong
 
2013-09-23 07:40:15 PM

roadkillontheweb: I suspect the long term goal is to make sure nothing B.O. does is successful?
10 years down the road if B.O. is considered a failure as a president (not the hundreds of idiots that are causing the problem that history will forget) the first black president will be the last black president and they will have achieved their goal? The childish actions of the GOP has gone well beyond the imagination of the greatest fiction writers could have predicted 6 years ago.


Bear in mind, the 'do-nothing' Congress is still remembered, some 70+ years later.  If their efforts are to tarnish Obama's presidency with inaction, I think they're in for a painful surprise when the history books are written.
 
2013-09-23 07:42:15 PM

roadkillontheweb: I suspect the long term goal is to make sure nothing B.O. does is successful?
10 years down the road if B.O. is considered a failure as a president (not the hundreds of idiots that are causing the problem that history will forget) the first black president will be the last black president and they will have achieved their goal? The childish actions of the GOP has gone well beyond the imagination of the greatest fiction writers could have predicted 6 years ago.


Exactly. The Republicans hate Obama so much that they'd rather see America fail than Obama succeed.
 
2013-09-23 07:46:45 PM

roadkillontheweb: I suspect the long term goal is to make sure nothing B.O. does is successful?
10 years down the road if B.O. is considered a failure as a president (not the hundreds of idiots that are causing the problem that history will forget) the first black president will be the last black president and they will have achieved their goal? The childish actions of the GOP has gone well beyond the imagination of the greatest fiction writers could have predicted 6 years ago.


but well written books don't simply make a statement & go directly to "the end", they are full of examples and reasons that support the initial statement & it is in those example & reasons that the Republicans will be commemorated for their efforts (or lack thereof) during President Obama's 2 terms.

no faking way i'm letting anyone rewrite this one, own it (R)tards.
 
2013-09-23 07:51:12 PM

roadkillontheweb: I suspect the long term goal is to make sure nothing B.O. does is successful?
10 years down the road if B.O. is considered a failure as a president (not the hundreds of idiots that are causing the problem that history will forget) the first black president will be the last black president and they will have achieved their goal? The childish actions of the GOP has gone well beyond the imagination of the greatest fiction writers could have predicted 6 years ago.


Yes, the purpose of the opposition is to oppose.  You should read some history.  I suggest the LBJ trilogy by Caro.  As an aside, it'll give you some great personal insights regarding his take on race.
 
2013-09-23 07:55:14 PM

Infernalist: roadkillontheweb: I suspect the long term goal is to make sure nothing B.O. does is successful?
10 years down the road if B.O. is considered a failure as a president (not the hundreds of idiots that are causing the problem that history will forget) the first black president will be the last black president and they will have achieved their goal? The childish actions of the GOP has gone well beyond the imagination of the greatest fiction writers could have predicted 6 years ago.

Bear in mind, the 'do-nothing' Congress is still remembered, some 70+ years later.  If their efforts are to tarnish Obama's presidency with inaction, I think they're in for a painful surprise when the history books are written.


You can't discuss the Obama presidency without discussing the Tea Party.  They will be intrinsically tied together in history.  Obama's presidency is more greatly defined by his opposition's reaction than by anything he said or did.

History will not be kind to the Tea Party.
 
2013-09-23 07:57:49 PM
Question.

Has any party ever tried to vote on the same issue so many times?

Is the modern GOP the first to be this dumb?
 
2013-09-23 08:07:51 PM

verbaltoxin: js34603: What good is giving money to House Democrats? They already support the ACA, the problem is there aren't enough of them.

If you're going to donate money because you support the ACA you'd be better served donating to Democrats running against House Republicans, not the guys who are already there with "aw shucks nothing we can do, guess I'll just keep collecting checks" looks on their faces.

Because some of the incumbent Democrat seats are in vulnerable districts.


Agreed, you want to donate some to vulnerable Dems, but also to the Dem candidates in the districts that might be winnable next time around. How many do they need to flip the house? Pick that many seats (plus a few more to be safe) and pour as much money as you can into those races. Its possible, even with gerrymandering at the level its at, to win back enough seats to flip the house.
 
2013-09-23 09:01:43 PM

Heliovdrake: Question.

Has any party ever tried to vote on the same issue so many times?

Is the modern GOP the first to be this dumb?


I seriously doubt anyone else has gone this far.

While symbolic votes aren't unheard of or even necessarily a bad thing, I've never heard of a case where multiple symbolic votes were held on the exact same issue in a relatively short length of time, let alone 40+.  At this point, no matter how legitimate of a point you are trying to make (not that I see this particular point as legitimate), you are just wasting time and money.
 
2013-09-23 09:10:11 PM

CokeBear: verbaltoxin: js34603: What good is giving money to House Democrats? They already support the ACA, the problem is there aren't enough of them.

If you're going to donate money because you support the ACA you'd be better served donating to Democrats running against House Republicans, not the guys who are already there with "aw shucks nothing we can do, guess I'll just keep collecting checks" looks on their faces.

Because some of the incumbent Democrat seats are in vulnerable districts.

Agreed, you want to donate some to vulnerable Dems, but also to the Dem candidates in the districts that might be winnable next time around. How many do they need to flip the house? Pick that many seats (plus a few more to be safe) and pour as much money as you can into those races. Its possible, even with gerrymandering at the level its at, to win back enough seats to flip the house.


Which is why you donate to the Democratic Congressional Campiagn Committee like everyone mentioned in TFA.

Is reading TFA really that hard?
 
2013-09-23 09:25:49 PM
they HAVE helped House Democrats raise tons and tons of cash from the law's supporters

So what are you biatching about then? Democrats will sweep the House and they'll be back in power. Instead of screaming at Republicans you ought to be thanking them for being extremists and completely out of touch with Real America, which is going to hand them their asses at the polls next year. Unless you're secretly afraid that Obamacare is a deeply flawed and unpopular program and the public is about to get smacked in the face by it and turn on you? Nah, can't be that.
 
2013-09-23 09:30:02 PM
If they raised enough to end world hunger and secure global peace in my lifetime, it wouldn't have been worth the effort.
 
2013-09-23 09:42:04 PM

X-boxershorts: fusillade762: While the push to defund Obamacare has been a boon to fundraising on both sides

That's the only reason Republicans keep doing it. Make their base think they're bravely standing on principle the throats of our liberal oppressors.


You know what I just remembered?  You're boring as hell and a piss-poor troll.

Hast la bye-bye!
 
2013-09-23 09:54:25 PM

jjorsett: they HAVE helped House Democrats raise tons and tons of cash from the law's supporters

So what are you biatching about then? Democrats will sweep the House and they'll be back in power. Instead of screaming at Republicans you ought to be thanking them for being extremists and completely out of touch with Real America, which is going to hand them their asses at the polls next year. Unless you're secretly afraid that Obamacare is a deeply flawed and unpopular program and the public is about to get smacked in the face by it and turn on you? Nah, can't be that.

You sound scared. You should be. On Oct 1, Obamacare will be fully entrenched, and history books for generations will say how good it was for America.That will upset you, but no one cares.
 
2013-09-23 09:55:47 PM

Dwight_Yeast: X-boxershorts: fusillade762: While the push to defund Obamacare has been a boon to fundraising on both sides

That's the only reason Republicans keep doing it. Make their base think they're bravely standing on principle the throats of our liberal oppressors.

You know what I just remembered?  You're boring as hell and a piss-poor troll.

Hast la bye-bye!


Being accurate is being a troll? Huh.
 
2013-09-23 09:58:50 PM

Isitoveryet: 42 votes that represent each of our Patriotic White Presidents of the past, when the 43rd vote to defund takes place, the second coming of Jesus will commence.


I really wish this Jesus guy would coming out of his gopher hole.  He would be so pissed at rich eye-of-a-needle Congressmen trying to defund a bill that would save millions of lives.

That and all of the crucifixes everywhere.  Who the hell honors a murder weapon used to kill a divine leader as support for that leader?
 
2013-09-23 10:41:03 PM
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2013-09-23 10:57:51 PM

blue_2501: Isitoveryet: 42 votes that represent each of our Patriotic White Presidents of the past, when the 43rd vote to defund takes place, the second coming of Jesus will commence.

I really wish this Jesus guy would coming out of his gopher hole.  He would be so pissed at rich eye-of-a-needle Congressmen trying to defund a bill that would save millions of lives.

That and all of the crucifixes everywhere.  Who the hell honors a murder weapon used to kill a divine leader as support for that leader?


A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. Do you think if Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a farking cross? He'd be like, "Hey dad, I think they missed the point."

It's kind of like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a sniper-rifle pendant. "Hey Jackie, just thinking of John. We loved him."

/I too can be just like Denis Leary...
 
2013-09-23 11:01:30 PM

max_pooper: A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. Do you think if Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a farking cross? He'd be like, "Hey dad, I think they missed the point."

It's kind of like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a sniper-rifle pendant. "Hey Jackie, just thinking of John. We loved him."

/I too can be just like Denis Leary...


Ahem, no, Bill Hicks.  The guy would have had a goddamn field day in this day and age.  Hell, HST, too, if he lasted long enough to get past the Bush years.
 
2013-09-23 11:10:20 PM

jjorsett: they HAVE helped House Democrats raise tons and tons of cash from the law's supporters

So what are you biatching about then? Democrats will sweep the House and they'll be back in power. Instead of screaming at Republicans you ought to be thanking them for being extremists and completely out of touch with Real America, which is going to hand them their asses at the polls next year. Unless you're secretly afraid that Obamacare is a deeply flawed and unpopular program and the public is about to get smacked in the face by it and turn on you? Nah, can't be that.


Just to be clear, you're accusing the libs of being afraid Obamacare will be a catastrophe and the way they've chosen to attack this problem is by ... pushing Obamacare forward.

Interesting approach to debate.  Let's see how this goes.

Cheers.
 
2013-09-24 12:37:56 AM
jjorsett:

So what are you biatching about then? Democrats will sweep the House and they'll be back in power. Instead of screaming at Republicans you ought to be thanking them for being extremists and completely out of touch with Real America, which is going to hand them their asses at the polls next year.

I know this is going to be just about impossible for you to fathom, but SOME people actually want the best for their country, regardless of electoral advantage. Yes I know, it seems impossible, how could anyone not be a grasping selfish hunk of shiat like you? Just accept that decent humans exist and try to only harm yourself from now on okay?
 
2013-09-24 12:58:41 AM
On October 1, I'll have insurance again.

Then on October 2, I can officially join the ranks of those libby libs biatching about how awful Obamacare really is. So f*ck you all.
 
2013-09-24 03:35:02 AM
I would think the usual big money donors to the GOP would be keeping their checkbooks closed this election cycle as they probably don't care about all the nonsense like abortion and gay marriage but they should care about the threat the GOP poses to the economy.

If the Democrats do get back in power, the first thing they need to do is make it nearly impossible to play games with raising the debt ceiling ever again, that it automatically goes up unless two-thirds of Congress votes against it. Then end the gerrymandering by requiring the proportion of representatives sent by each state to match the overall vote in each state. Then undo all the anti-voting laws and shenanigans so people can vote.
 
2013-09-24 07:02:30 AM

jjorsett: they HAVE helped House Democrats raise tons and tons of cash from the law's supporters

So what are you biatching about then? Democrats will sweep the House and they'll be back in power. Instead of screaming at Republicans you ought to be thanking them for being extremists and completely out of touch with Real America, which is going to hand them their asses at the polls next year. Unless you're secretly afraid that Obamacare is a deeply flawed and unpopular program and the public is about to get smacked in the face by it and turn on you? Nah, can't be that.


I'd be happier if our legislative body focused on answering problems they could actually do something about, like passing the jobs and infrastructure bills promised by house and senate republicans for the last seven years, than spending time trying to repeal a bill they physically cannot do anything about until the next president is in office.

I get that they want to repeal it, that's all well and good if they think that is what their constituents want. What they should do if they were exercising mature governance is to hang on to these senseless bills until they had the votes and/or a willing president in office and then try and pass it, rather than letting the entire nation potentially suffer from another debt ceiling fight. That won't help anyone, from their millionaire corporate backers to their meekest red-meat voters in the backwoods.

The democrats are at least fielding governance legislation, even if not everyone agrees with it. That's how the system is supposed to work, each side presents new ideas from their ideologies and those than can compromise the most to get folks from both sides behind it tend to get their actions passed. Since Clinton this has started falling apart, and presently the republicans are more concerned with doing nothing than addressing real issues across the country, and that's sad. Because many of the folks in the party that aren't in congress, especially at the state and local levels, have new ideas that should be seen at the federal level. Those folks aren't usually Tea Party candidates, but the folks who have been serving their communities for years and have an actual understanding of what governance is.

The ACA, or "Obamacare," wouldn't be as flawed as you seem to think it to be if republicans in Washington actually had a conversation about it rather than looking to score political points. Actual debate over the bill in a generative fashion (not just saying "NO, NEVER!" but actually hasing out how to address the problems with bi-partisan solutions) would have led towards a more stable and beneficial system. As is, ACA was tempered entirely from one side, the democrats were the only ones who actually got to temper it to what they thought republicans would want (such as the mandate), but since no republicans gave meaningful assessments or counters it didn't much matter. At it's heart, ACA is far more right-leaning than it could have been, but probably far from how right-leaning it would be if republicans were willing to do their jobs back in 2008.
 
2013-09-24 07:58:01 AM
Damn those Republicans for doing what the American people want and trying to do something that would actually help the country.
 
2013-09-24 09:30:10 AM

lacrossestar83: Uranus Is Huge!: Ift's completely unfair to expect farkers to proofread before submitting.

It's click bait, and you ate it


jso2897: Uranus Is Huge!: Ift's completely unfair to expect farkers to proofread before submitting.

[i18.photobucket.com image 520x324]


Subby got me.

Sick burn.
 
2013-09-24 10:01:55 AM

randomjsa: Damn those Republicans for doing what the American people want and trying to do something that would actually help the country.


Yea, they should be taking the money from Obamacare, something they don't support, and be putting that money towards the ACA, which they do support!

Wait a sec...
 
2013-09-24 10:21:40 AM

randomjsa: Damn those Republicans for doing what the American people want and trying to do something that would actually help the country.


I would think you need two citations for this argument to have any weight:
1) Proof that this is what Americans want
2) that they are, in fact, doing anything
 
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