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2013-09-23 04:17:14 PM
How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?
 
2013-09-23 04:27:10 PM

Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?


Schools have crazily broad powers. That said, I'm interested in a non-Blaze version of the story.
 
2013-09-23 04:31:41 PM

Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?


Even when I was in school, it was technically possible for us to get in trouble for some things we did away from school.

That said, nothing like this ever happened that I'm aware of, and on the surface (of a Glenn Becky article), this is a shiatty thing.
 
2013-09-23 04:32:16 PM
I guess I should have just read the second post, since it said almost the same thing.
 
2013-09-23 04:33:03 PM

mediablitz: Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?

Schools have crazily broad powers. That said, I'm interested in a non-Blaze version of the story.


Ya... we're not getting the whole story.  While they may have been in their yard, it was also the school's designated bus stop.  Maybe the jack-hole parents should have told them not to bring their air soft guns out to the bus stop.
 
2013-09-23 05:58:18 PM
Glenn Beck's website. This all sounds legit.
 
2013-09-23 06:18:43 PM

netizencain: mediablitz: Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?

Schools have crazily broad powers. That said, I'm interested in a non-Blaze version of the story.

Ya... we're not getting the whole story.  While they may have been in their yard, it was also the school's designated bus stop.  Maybe the jack-hole parents should have told them not to bring their air soft guns out to the bus stop.


There's a link on the Blaze page to the story
 
2013-09-23 06:36:00 PM
Non-Beck/Breitbart link or it didn't happen.
 
2013-09-23 06:39:55 PM
Heh Beck is still around?  Really?  That's pretty funny, figured the jig would be up once people realized he was just a washed up comedian from Canada.

/didn't know that?  Study it out.
 
2013-09-23 06:40:56 PM

mediablitz: Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?

Schools have crazily broad powers. That said, I'm interested in a non-Blaze version of the story.


Here you go
 
2013-09-23 06:45:42 PM
Maybe I'm drunk, but it reads as if this student was suspended for shooting another kid with a pellet gun.

I'm okay with that.
 
2013-09-23 06:48:02 PM
Airsoft? Wusses.  When I was a kid we used BB guns for our "wars" and we liked it!
 
2013-09-23 06:52:20 PM
Right in to blaming Obama.  Clear and concise objectivity!

Good jerb, The Blaze.
 
2013-09-23 06:54:15 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Maybe I'm drunk, but it reads as if this student was suspended for shooting another kid with a pellet gun.

I'm okay with that.


There were a bunch of kids playing war and they were shooting at each other.  I don't know about you, but the kids in my neighborhood played the same way.  A couple of kids got shot but continued playing, so it looks like they're "participants" not "victims".  And even at that, it was on their own property, the school shouldn't have any authority over the situation.
 
2013-09-23 07:00:16 PM

timujin: Uranus Is Huge!: Maybe I'm drunk, but it reads as if this student was suspended for shooting another kid with a pellet gun.

I'm okay with that.

There were a bunch of kids playing war and they were shooting at each other.  I don't know about you, but the kids in my neighborhood played the same way.  A couple of kids got shot but continued playing, so it looks like they're "participants" not "victims".  And even at that, it was on their own property, the school shouldn't have any authority over the situation.


Were they waiting for the school bus? If so, the school does get a say. In loco parentis and what not.
 
2013-09-23 07:06:08 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: timujin: Uranus Is Huge!: Maybe I'm drunk, but it reads as if this student was suspended for shooting another kid with a pellet gun.

I'm okay with that.

There were a bunch of kids playing war and they were shooting at each other.  I don't know about you, but the kids in my neighborhood played the same way.  A couple of kids got shot but continued playing, so it looks like they're "participants" not "victims".  And even at that, it was on their own property, the school shouldn't have any authority over the situation.

Were they waiting for the school bus? If so, the school does get a say. In loco parentis and what not.


According to the article Bathia_Mapes linked to, no, the school bus stop is about 70 yards from their house and they hadn't left their yard yet.
 
2013-09-23 07:07:55 PM
Looks like it did happen. And it is all sorts of f*cked up that kids can get expelled for off-campus behavior which doesn't affect the school in any way at all.

Bad enough that kids can get punished under schools' drug abuse rules for administering an emergency asthma inhaler to a student while that student is having an asthma attack instead of just standing there and watching that student suffocate and die, even if it's the asthmatic's own rescue inhaler being administered by another student because the asthma attack is too strong for self-application to be possible. Now kids are being punished for being kids!?

Can we please skip the slippery slope of Zero Tolerance and just put all K-12 students in prison camps where they can take the mandatory classes in Unquestioning Obedience To Authority, How To Pass The Upcoming Standardized Multiple-Choice Exam, Abstinence-Only Sex Education, US History (The Texas Board of Education-approved version, not the version with liberal "facts"), Supply-Side Economics, and Just Barely Enough Math To Operate A Cash Register? Because that's where we're headed, and the people who recognize this as a bad thing are neither rich enough, powerful enough nor numerous enough to prevent or even slow down the decline of our country's education system.
 
2013-09-23 07:08:04 PM
"Has zero tolerance gone too far?" WAVY-TV asks.

Why yes...yes it has. A long time ago.

The following excerpt is actually about cannabis, but it can be said about gun control just as well:

well I'm rymin and I'm stealin - dealin time after time - rhyme patterns designed to enlighten
your mind - legalize the word freedom till the plants not a crime and when the plants not a
crime well all be livin divine zero tolerance is ignorance we're drawin the line....


Smartest words ever written by a stoner.
 
2013-09-23 07:12:26 PM
Khalid and Aiden

Those sound like terrist names to me. Better lock 'em up, just to be safe.
 
2013-09-23 07:17:26 PM
Back in my day (1986 or so) we used to take these to school all the time and shoot other kids with them.

www.bankcroft.de

And ours didn't even have the red thingy on the barrel. I can't imagine the punishment we'd get for that these days.
 
2013-09-23 07:30:20 PM

Cagey B: Glenn Beck's website. This all sounds legit.


Yeah, I was about to click the link, then I saw "The Blaze" and thought "Yeah.... maybe not."
 
2013-09-23 07:32:39 PM
Tim Clark, Aidan's father, told the news station that the school neglected to use common sense in the incident that occurred off school property.

/You're looking for common sense from school board members and faculty? HAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAA..GASP....HAHAHAHAHAHHH.....THUD.  Where the hell have you been. School faculty LOVES to make rules that apply outside of school. Get a clue. Common sense has nothing to do with it...its about power.
 
2013-09-23 07:33:10 PM

fusillade762: Back in my day (1986 or so) we used to take these to school all the time and shoot other kids with them.

[www.bankcroft.de image 850x603]

And ours didn't even have the red thingy on the barrel. I can't imagine the punishment we'd get for that these days.


"Punishment"? I'd say there's a very strong likely hood you'd be in a body bag by the end of the day.
 
2013-09-23 07:34:23 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/23/7th-grader-suspended- u sing-airsoft-gun-his-own-fro/

For those who want a less "Blaze" article.

Personally, I think any punishment taken toward a child by a school for doing something off of school grounds is complete bullshiat. Its like randomly drug testing kids and suspending them even if you have no proof they did the drugs on school grounds. I think any time a school punishes a student for something done off school grounds the administrator should be slapped and the school system should be shut down for a day or two as everybody in the system undergoes mandatory common sense training.
 
2013-09-23 07:34:25 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: timujin: Uranus Is Huge!: Maybe I'm drunk, but it reads as if this student was suspended for shooting another kid with a pellet gun.

I'm okay with that.

There were a bunch of kids playing war and they were shooting at each other.  I don't know about you, but the kids in my neighborhood played the same way.  A couple of kids got shot but continued playing, so it looks like they're "participants" not "victims".  And even at that, it was on their own property, the school shouldn't have any authority over the situation.

Were they waiting for the school bus? If so, the school does get a say. In loco parentis and what not.


They weren't at the bus stop. They were in the kid's yard.  That's private property.
 
2013-09-23 07:34:30 PM
The parents should be arrested for letting their kids "play kids" and perpetuating this culture of violence the Right is obsessed with. Grow up, America.
 
2013-09-23 07:35:05 PM

fusillade762: Back in my day (1986 or so) we used to take these to school all the time and shoot other kids with them.

[www.bankcroft.de image 850x603]

And ours didn't even have the red thingy on the barrel. I can't imagine the punishment we'd get for that these days.


You must be a terrorist.
 
2013-09-23 07:37:55 PM
The school leaders have suffered a dumb attack, no matter the source of the story.
 
2013-09-23 07:39:11 PM
Murrica.

/had to
 
2013-09-23 07:39:48 PM
"possession, handling and use of a firearm"

airsoft =/= firearm
 
2013-09-23 07:40:20 PM
What in the farking ever-loving shiat?
 
2013-09-23 07:40:44 PM
I bought a BB gun from Wal-mart when I was 17. I lived in ABQ so there were plenty of places to go and shoot cactus or old beer cans or whatever. I had a friend. The kind of friend that was fun to hang around because he always helped get you into trouble. One day he borrowed my car and the bb gun and came back with a story about shooting some kids at the basketball court for acting douchey. I'm not sure I believed him, but whatever.

So one day he comes to me at school and says he's been suspended and asks if he can borrow my car to go home. He'll come back and pick me up when school is over. So I walk out to the senior parking lot with him and give him the keys. The gun is actually under the driver's seat. After he starts the car I jokingly say, "And don't SHOOT anybody!"

He gives me a sheepish smile and I jokingly go to revoke his permission to take my car and he locks the doors and starts rolling the windows up. I start yelling, "I'm serious! Just stop!" He pulls out of the parking space and I get in front of my car. He nudges towards me and I put my knee on the bumper. I start riding the bumper as he drives. It got a little too fast for me so I reach to grab onto something. It was a 1984 VW Rabbit GTi. You can't grab an edge on the hood near the windshield because it's flat. So I end up grabbing the wiper. Of course the wiper comes up off the glass and my ankle goes into the wheel well, gets caught and I get thrown to the ground.

My friend panics, somehow manages to remember to take the car out of gear and jumps out to help me. I go to the hospital in an ambulance and he's just freaking out. The asst. principal comes out to see what's going on, calms the situation and gets in my car to get it back into the parking space. He looks down and the gun had slid out from under the seat onto the floor of the driver's seat. Boom. Pretty sure my friend "threw me under the bus" literally and said he didn't know it was there. He did come down to the hospital to warn me that they had found it.

I ended up getting expelled from high school 3 months before graduation. I was still able to get my diploma (however worthless a high school diploma is in the real world) by tutoring kids down at juvenile hall to get their GED. Looking back at what ended up happening between me and my friend, I should have told the school I had no idea what they were talking about when they asked about the gun. I was even on the phone so it's not like they could have read my body language. It's just that I've always been honest and taken responsibility for my f*ckups.

TL;DR I got expelled for having a bb gun in my car in the school parking lot and it was found by the asst principal when my friend ran me over with my own car.
 
2013-09-23 07:42:02 PM
Probably decided by the same retards who say students can't win individual awards and everyone has to win something.
 
2013-09-23 07:42:22 PM
Doesn't anybody SUE anymore? A good six or 7 figure settlement would put an end to THIS crap FAST!
 
2013-09-23 07:45:11 PM
Why do schools wonder why they are being sued all the time?
 
2013-09-23 07:45:44 PM
FTLA: The caller also knew the gun wasn't real and said so, "This is not a real one, but it makes people uncomfortable. I know that it makes me (uncomfortable), as a mom, to see a boy pointing a gun," she told the 911 dispatcher.

Why would police even respond to this? The caller admitted that it was a fake,  toy gun and that it was being used in an appropriate manner(which doesn't violate the city code.) But for some reason, people being irrationally scared makes police and school officials' overreaction A-OK. I'm sick of the pussies of the world dictating policy and consequences for the rest of us.
 
2013-09-23 07:46:26 PM
Where I live, an airsoft pistol is considered a firearm, and you can get cited for firing on in the city limits. I live in a very gun-nut state.

City ordinance lists bow-and-arrows and slingshots alongside actual, fire-producing firearms. Nuts, man.
 
2013-09-23 07:47:33 PM
I seriously think the neighbor should be arrested for abusing 911, because she felt uncomfortable that kids were playing with toy guns.  I played with toy/BB guns as a kid, and I have zero desire to own a real one.  People really need to relax.
 
2013-09-23 07:47:50 PM

Professor Farksworth: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/23/7th-grader-suspended- u sing-airsoft-gun-his-own-fro/

For those who want a less "Blaze" article.

Personally, I think any punishment taken toward a child by a school for doing something off of school grounds is complete bullshiat. Its like randomly drug testing kids and suspending them even if you have no proof they did the drugs on school grounds. I think any time a school punishes a student for something done off school grounds the administrator should be slapped and the school system should be shut down for a day or two as everybody in the system undergoes mandatory common sense training.


You refer us to the Washington Times? Has WorldNetDaily not picked this up yet?
 
2013-09-23 07:47:57 PM

Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?


You arent allowed to bring school's prohibited items to the bus stop, on the bus, or in school.  All rules apply to all 3 locations, and this is pretty standard nationwide.

So he got in trouble for bringing a weapon to the bus stop.  *shrug*.  I'm 30 and they had these rules when I was in gradeschool so....
 
MFK
2013-09-23 07:48:09 PM

Bathia_Mapes: mediablitz: Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?

Schools have crazily broad powers. That said, I'm interested in a non-Blaze version of the story.

Here you go


so these little shiatheads shot some kids at a bus stop and the school suspended them for it and the Blaze is making it out to be something it's not.

O_O

/shocked face.
 
2013-09-23 07:48:14 PM
bong hits for jesus!
 
2013-09-23 07:49:11 PM

netizencain: mediablitz: Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?

Schools have crazily broad powers. That said, I'm interested in a non-Blaze version of the story.

Ya... we're not getting the whole story.  While they may have been in their yard, it was also the school's designated bus stop.  Maybe the jack-hole parents should have told them not to bring their air soft guns out to the bus stop.


So the question is, who has more authority?  The property owners (ie., the kid's parents),  or the school?

Also, I can't see how a designated bus stop can be on private property.  At the most, it can be on the government-owned setback from the public road.  School has no authority to designate private property as a bus stop, and if it did, the owners could sue for compensation because that would be a "taking" under the Fourth Amendment.
 
2013-09-23 07:49:32 PM

Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?


When I was in school, and still riding the school bus, there was a fake rule in the Student Code of Conduct that said that school property technically extends to your drive way and that until you enter your home, you're still under the "jurisdicition" of the school.  But that's for the bus ride TO your home.  They had no such malarky for waiting at the school bus stop.  I see nothing wrong with a kid playing with his friends in his own front yard while waiting for the bus.  If he'd tried to take the airsoft pistol with him to school, the zero tolerance seems much less derpy, but that's not what happened here.  Here's what I'm imagining happened.  The bus driver saw the kids playing with a toy gun as he/she approached and told the principal that the kids were playing with a gun before school.  Principal promptly removes pants, places them on head, and declares himself King of the Pants-on-head Retards.

/oh, and then he tried to ruin these two kids' school year
 
2013-09-23 07:50:18 PM

netizencain: mediablitz: Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?

Schools have crazily broad powers. That said, I'm interested in a non-Blaze version of the story.

Ya... we're not getting the whole story.  While they may have been in their yard, it was also the school's designated bus stop.  Maybe the jack-hole parents should have told them not to bring their air soft guns out to the bus stop.


Still seems to be a bit disproportionate as a punishment.
 
2013-09-23 07:50:34 PM
I am confused here, it is ok for douches to walk around around semi-auto rifles because they can.

But kids playing with plastic guns on private property gets them banned from school?

I blame the NRA.

\Not kidding, I mean this literally.

\\Until a story gets linked saying they were doing something terrible later on in the thread.
 
2013-09-23 07:51:43 PM

Alonjar: Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?

You arent allowed to bring school's prohibited items to the bus stop, on the bus, or in school.  All rules apply to all 3 locations, and this is pretty standard nationwide.

So he got in trouble for bringing a weapon to the bus stop.  *shrug*.  I'm 30 and they had these rules when I was in gradeschool so....


Your point is taken, but this "bus stop" was his own house. So now he has to follow school rules at his own house? OK ok you say, "But it was during bus pickup time." Ok, so when does that start? When the bus gets there? 15 minutes before the bus gets there? An hour before the bus gets there? Where do we draw the line?
 
2013-09-23 07:52:44 PM

Professor Farksworth: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/23/7th-grader-suspended- u sing-airsoft-gun-his-own-fro/

For those who want a less "Blaze" article.

Personally, I think any punishment taken toward a child by a school for doing something off of school grounds is complete bullshiat. Its like randomly drug testing kids and suspending them even if you have no proof they did the drugs on school grounds. I think any time a school punishes a student for something done off school grounds the administrator should be slapped and the school system should be shut down for a day or two as everybody in the system undergoes mandatory common sense training.


You come up with an effective course for that, bubba, and you will be president of the world.
 
2013-09-23 07:52:57 PM

Alonjar: Bschott007: How can a school punish a student for behavior off school grounds? What is next, punishing kids for crap other members of their families do?

You arent allowed to bring school's prohibited items to the bus stop, on the bus, or in school.  All rules apply to all 3 locations, and this is pretty standard nationwide.

So he got in trouble for bringing a weapon to the bus stop.  *shrug*.  I'm 30 and they had these rules when I was in gradeschool so....


bud jones: bong hits for jesus!


Nope. They were in the yard, on private property. They weren't by the bus stop.
 
2013-09-23 07:53:00 PM
FTA:

The caller also knew the gun wasn't real and said so, "This is not a real one, but it makes people uncomfortable. I know that it makes me (uncomfortable), as a mom, to see a boy pointing a gun," she told the 911 dispatcher.


That is absolutely not an acceptable reason for calling 911.
 
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