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(Kotaku)   Valve fires their first shot in the war against walled ecosystems by announcing their walled ecosystem   (kotaku.com) divider line 113
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2013-09-23 06:43:50 PM
"SteamOS will be available soon as a free download for users and as a freely licensable operating system for manufacturers,"

Maybe I'm unclear on the term "walled ecosystem"...
 
2013-09-23 06:48:21 PM
We've reached out to a number of publishers, including EA, Activision, Square Enix, and Ubisoft, to see who's planning to develop or port games for SteamOS.

Yah, some how I don't think those assbags have any intention of joining steam's walled garden when they're trying desperately to harden their own.  Good times for SteamOS though, if it can reach the point where it supports gaming better then windows does that's the last excuse I've got for keeping windows as a desktop and I'll be happy to jump ship long before I have to deal with win8's interface that shall not be named.

/Fark EA, Activision and Ubisoft.  I don't know about Square because frankly I outgrew Final Fantasy style JRPGs twenty years ago and Story-time Snake does not interest me at all
 
2013-09-23 07:20:26 PM

BumpInTheNight: We've reached out to a number of publishers, including EA, Activision, Square Enix, and Ubisoft, to see who's planning to develop or port games for SteamOS.

Yah, some how I don't think those assbags have any intention of joining steam's walled garden when they're trying desperately to harden their own.  Good times for SteamOS though, if it can reach the point where it supports gaming better then windows does that's the last excuse I've got for keeping windows as a desktop and I'll be happy to jump ship long before I have to deal with win8's interface that shall not be named.

/Fark EA, Activision and Ubisoft.  I don't know about Square because frankly I outgrew Final Fantasy style JRPGs twenty years ago and Story-time Snake does not interest me at all


From what I've read they don't have to make their games purchasable on Steam they just need to make them SteamOS compatible. The user can then purchase the games from Origin or whatever service they use and manually import it into their Steam library. EA wins and makes a sale, Valve wins because their OS has broader support and the gamer wins because they don't have to boot into windows or steam from another computer to play on their TV.
 
2013-09-23 07:22:03 PM
I can't see many big AAA titles going over.. You gonna tell me Ubisoft are going to waste time converting titles like Assassins Creed 4 to OpenGL? Or Squar Enix converting games like Just Cause or Sleeping Dogs?
 
2013-09-23 07:23:42 PM
Valve says they've already got "hundreds of games" that will come to the new operating system next year, including AAA titles, and that you'll be able to access the entire Steam catalog via "in-home streaming,"

Oh god, please tell me this isn't another farking OnLive.

/The first one was one too many.
 
2013-09-23 07:24:32 PM

China White Tea: Valve says they've already got "hundreds of games" that will come to the new operating system next year, including AAA titles, and that you'll be able to access the entire Steam catalog via "in-home streaming,"

Oh god, please tell me this isn't another farking OnLive.

/The first one was one too many.


I'm thinking more LAN based..

Steam client on Windows streams a game to the SteamOS TV downstairs..
 
2013-09-23 07:24:52 PM

China White Tea: Valve says they've already got "hundreds of games" that will come to the new operating system next year, including AAA titles, and that you'll be able to access the entire Steam catalog via "in-home streaming,"

Oh god, please tell me this isn't another farking OnLive.

/The first one was one too many.


It is more like a PS VIta TV. It lets you stream your windows games that you own on a gaming PC to a steambox like device hooked up to your TV.
 
2013-09-23 07:29:03 PM
I've never really understood why everyone has a hard-on to use Linux for everything but whatever. I'll just keep ignoring it like I always have except for the random article I accidentally click on occasion.
 
2013-09-23 07:30:36 PM
Are they trying to not excite me?

Wow.  I can now watch movies and listen to music...on my TV!

Just farking tell us about the box already.  Jesus Christ.
 
2013-09-23 07:31:10 PM

China White Tea: Valve says they've already got "hundreds of games" that will come to the new operating system next year, including AAA titles, and that you'll be able to access the entire Steam catalog via "in-home streaming,"

Oh god, please tell me this isn't another farking OnLive.

/The first one was one too many.


basically you need to run windows on an actual powerful system somewhere else on your home network. then you install this OS on a low powered media PC hooked up to your TV. then it streams on your internal home network, which would hopefully be fast enough to handle the games. its cool and all, I just am not sure its going to get a lot of people to run out and buy a media box if they haven't already done so.
 
2013-09-23 07:31:20 PM

fusillade762: "SteamOS will be available soon as a free download for users and as a freely licensable operating system for manufacturers,"

Maybe I'm unclear on the term "walled ecosystem"...


Well, if it only runs programs that you purchase from Steam, then it is, indeed, a walled ecosystem.

Fortunately, they haven't said this will be the case, but you never know.
 
2013-09-23 07:32:19 PM

fusillade762: "SteamOS will be available soon as a free download for users and as a freely licensable operating system for manufacturers,"

Maybe I'm unclear on the term "walled ecosystem"...


Done in one, as the kids say.

styckx: I can't see many big AAA titles going over.. You gonna tell me Ubisoft are going to waste time converting titles like Assassins Creed 4 to OpenGL? Or Squar Enix converting games like Just Cause or Sleeping Dogs?


No, but there are other developers who don't have their heads up their asses when it comes to demanding DirectX or death.  Take a look at any game in the Steam store that is available on Mac as well as PC: by virtue of necessity it relies on OpenGL and OpenAL or equivalents.  There are a fair number of AAA titles there: Borderlands 2, Bioshock: Infinite, Metro: Last Light, CODBLOPS, XCOM: Enemy Unknown, Civ V, and Valve's entire game library just to name a few.

This isn't a matter of "indies vs big boys" anymore.  Major game studios are expanding beyond the Microsoft pseudo-walled garden.  The only reason there hasn't been a big push to dev for Linux is because the Linux market share is really small, and compiling for Linux is like trying to make a key that works in any one of a thousand possible locks.  With Valve pushing a freely available gaming OS with a (hopefully) reliable codebase both of those will change, though to what degree remains to be seen.
 
2013-09-23 07:37:37 PM

HeartBurnKid: fusillade762: "SteamOS will be available soon as a free download for users and as a freely licensable operating system for manufacturers,"

Maybe I'm unclear on the term "walled ecosystem"...

Well, if it only runs programs that you purchase from Steam, then it is, indeed, a walled ecosystem.

Fortunately, they haven't said this will be the case, but you never know.


They'd be missing out if they made it completely walled in.  A freely available OS designed for gaming is going to make quite a few fence-sitters reconsider, but being able to run more than just the Steam client would sweeten the pot considerably.  Thinking about what I spend most of my time on the PC doing these days, it's watching download or streaming video, browsing the web, a bit of Skype/AIM/etc., and games.  I suspect that's the typical use case for most gamers.  Having the OS capable of running third-party apps not installed via the Steam Store would make all of those things possible within a few days of SteamOS being released.
 
2013-09-23 07:38:34 PM

tlchwi02: China White Tea: Valve says they've already got "hundreds of games" that will come to the new operating system next year, including AAA titles, and that you'll be able to access the entire Steam catalog via "in-home streaming,"

Oh god, please tell me this isn't another farking OnLive.

/The first one was one too many.

basically you need to run windows on an actual powerful system somewhere else on your home network. then you install this OS on a low powered media PC hooked up to your TV. then it streams on your internal home network, which would hopefully be fast enough to handle the games. its cool and all, I just am not sure its going to get a lot of people to run out and buy a media box if they haven't already done so.


Exactly.. And for me.. My main gaming rig is already hooked up to a 40 LED w/ 5.1 surround sound... And I have two wing monitors off to the side for actual work to get done. I just leave Steam BP up 24/7..  As I'm sure most Glorious PC Gaming Master Race people have similar setups.. No one is dumping money into a gaming PC to stream it downstairs on another TV.. Makes no sense.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-23 07:40:18 PM

tlchwi02: China White Tea: Valve says they've already got "hundreds of games" that will come to the new operating system next year, including AAA titles, and that you'll be able to access the entire Steam catalog via "in-home streaming,"

Oh god, please tell me this isn't another farking OnLive.

/The first one was one too many.

basically you need to run windows on an actual powerful system somewhere else on your home network. then you install this OS on a low powered media PC hooked up to your TV. then it streams on your internal home network, which would hopefully be fast enough to handle the games. its cool and all, I just am not sure its going to get a lot of people to run out and buy a media box if they haven't already done so.


Bingo. Wake me up when they release a Steam client like this for a next gen console. When I want to play my Steam games on the big screen, all it takes is my laptop and an HDMI cable. I don't want to deal with running a second machine and the inevitable input lag. I have 300+ games in my Steam library, maybe three of which have Linux versions, so I am not going to fool myself into thinking I would be running games natively in Linux - they would almost all have to be streamed. Streaming games, even on the same network, sucks.
 
2013-09-23 07:41:50 PM
The thing I want to see is.. is this going to be linux like Ubuntu (editable, easily hackable), or linux like Tivo (can't touch crap).

If it is like Ubuntu, than we all win.  (ie Netflix support for Linux, etc).  If not, then there isn't much point in someone installing this instead of Windows Media Center for their livingroom desktop.
 
2013-09-23 07:43:49 PM

styckx: Exactly.. And for me.. My main gaming rig is already hooked up to a 40 LED w/ 5.1 surround sound... And I have two wing monitors off to the side for actual work to get done. I just leave Steam BP up 24/7.. As I'm sure most Glorious PC Gaming Master Race people have similar setups.. No one is dumping money into a gaming PC to stream it downstairs on another TV.. Makes no sense.


I think the idea is that if you own the hardcore PC already, you can get a media box and stream to the TV with ease. i'm not sure who the market is precisely. it seems like the hardcore types already either have the setup (see your picture) or they used to (like myself) and stopped doing it (in my case, I was always fighting for tv time after my GF and I started living together, so I moved back to a personal monitor so I can play games and she can watch whatever it is she watches.)
 
2013-09-23 07:49:33 PM

Dragonflew: Bingo. Wake me up when they release a Steam client like this for a next gen console. When I want to play my Steam games on the big screen, all it takes is my laptop and an HDMI cable. I don't want to deal with running a second machine and the inevitable input lag. I have 300+ games in my Steam library, maybe three of which have Linux versions, so I am not going to fool myself into thinking I would be running games natively in Linux - they would almost all have to be streamed. Streaming games, even on the same network, sucks.


While input lag inherently sucks, I'm pretty sure it is pretty easy to have unnoticable lag on a local network.  At least as far as the input itself.  I used to use a program called Synergy (http://synergy-foss.org/) back in the day with 3 or 4 computers.  I never noticed any lag with the mouse of keyboard working over the network.

Now  video lag I can totally see being an issue, since the desktop will have to encode the video stream and broadcast it.  There's no way they are broadcasting a raw stream (IIRC around 2.5Gb/s)
 
2013-09-23 07:50:01 PM

styckx: tlchwi02: China White Tea: Valve says they've already got "hundreds of games" that will come to the new operating system next year, including AAA titles, and that you'll be able to access the entire Steam catalog via "in-home streaming,"

Oh god, please tell me this isn't another farking OnLive.

/The first one was one too many.

basically you need to run windows on an actual powerful system somewhere else on your home network. then you install this OS on a low powered media PC hooked up to your TV. then it streams on your internal home network, which would hopefully be fast enough to handle the games. its cool and all, I just am not sure its going to get a lot of people to run out and buy a media box if they haven't already done so.

Exactly.. And for me.. My main gaming rig is already hooked up to a 40 LED w/ 5.1 surround sound... And I have two wing monitors off to the side for actual work to get done. I just leave Steam BP up 24/7..  As I'm sure most Glorious PC Gaming Master Race people have similar setups.. No one is dumping money into a gaming PC to stream it downstairs on another TV.. Makes no sense.

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


What if it comes shaped as a Weighted Companion Cube?
 
2013-09-23 07:53:16 PM

fang06554: Dragonflew: Bingo. Wake me up when they release a Steam client like this for a next gen console. When I want to play my Steam games on the big screen, all it takes is my laptop and an HDMI cable. I don't want to deal with running a second machine and the inevitable input lag. I have 300+ games in my Steam library, maybe three of which have Linux versions, so I am not going to fool myself into thinking I would be running games natively in Linux - they would almost all have to be streamed. Streaming games, even on the same network, sucks.

While input lag inherently sucks, I'm pretty sure it is pretty easy to have unnoticable lag on a local network.  At least as far as the input itself.  I used to use a program called Synergy (http://synergy-foss.org/) back in the day with 3 or 4 computers.  I never noticed any lag with the mouse of keyboard working over the network.

Now  video lag I can totally see being an issue, since the desktop will have to encode the video stream and broadcast it.  There's no way they are broadcasting a raw stream (IIRC around 2.5Gb/s)


Synergy is awesome.. I used Multiplicity for a long ass time before moving to Synergy..
 
2013-09-23 07:53:34 PM

fang06554: Dragonflew: Bingo. Wake me up when they release a Steam client like this for a next gen console. When I want to play my Steam games on the big screen, all it takes is my laptop and an HDMI cable. I don't want to deal with running a second machine and the inevitable input lag. I have 300+ games in my Steam library, maybe three of which have Linux versions, so I am not going to fool myself into thinking I would be running games natively in Linux - they would almost all have to be streamed. Streaming games, even on the same network, sucks.

While input lag inherently sucks, I'm pretty sure it is pretty easy to have unnoticable lag on a local network.  At least as far as the input itself.  I used to use a program called Synergy (http://synergy-foss.org/) back in the day with 3 or 4 computers.  I never noticed any lag with the mouse of keyboard working over the network.

Now  video lag I can totally see being an issue, since the desktop will have to encode the video stream and broadcast it.  There's no way they are broadcasting a raw stream (IIRC around 2.5Gb/s)


Even something as low-complexity as HuffyUV would cut the streaming rate to a third of that, and that's not factoring in the ability to do GPU-based encoding.  Look at how the Nvidia Shield works: 720p video streaming over wireless using GPU-based encoding.  It works beautifully.
 
2013-09-23 07:54:30 PM

tlchwi02: China White Tea: Valve says they've already got "hundreds of games" that will come to the new operating system next year, including AAA titles, and that you'll be able to access the entire Steam catalog via "in-home streaming,"

Oh god, please tell me this isn't another farking OnLive.

/The first one was one too many.

basically you need to run windows on an actual powerful system somewhere else on your home network. then you install this OS on a low powered media PC hooked up to your TV. then it streams on your internal home network, which would hopefully be fast enough to handle the games. its cool and all, I just am not sure its going to get a lot of people to run out and buy a media box if they haven't already done so.


They still have two more announcement coming this week. Wednesday and guessing from the 48 hour delay after today's, Friday. Wednesday is likely an actual box, or at least hardware manufacturer deals they've lined up. The symbol on the countdown for it is the symbol from today inside [ ]s. The real mystery is Friday's announcement, whose symbol is two of the symbol from today's with a +. I'm interested to see what else they're doing with it. I'd definitely consider it.


styckx: tlchwi02: China White Tea: Valve says they've already got "hundreds of games" that will come to the new operating system next year, including AAA titles, and that you'll be able to access the entire Steam catalog via "in-home streaming,"

Oh god, please tell me this isn't another farking OnLive.

/The first one was one too many.

basically you need to run windows on an actual powerful system somewhere else on your home network. then you install this OS on a low powered media PC hooked up to your TV. then it streams on your internal home network, which would hopefully be fast enough to handle the games. its cool and all, I just am not sure its going to get a lot of people to run out and buy a media box if they haven't already done so.

Exactly.. And for me.. My main gaming rig is already hooked up to a 40 LED w/ 5.1 surround sound... And I have two wing monitors off to the side for actual work to get done. I just leave Steam BP up 24/7..  As I'm sure most Glorious PC Gaming Master Race people have similar setups.. No one is dumping money into a gaming PC to stream it downstairs on another TV.. Makes no sense.

[i.imgur.com image 850x637]


Because everyone totally has that set up. Before I moved out, the last house I was in we all had our gaming PCs hooked up in one room, and another room in the house had the TV with surround sound and all the consoles hooked up. I'd have definitely considered a box with this on it in that setup. And the streaming isn't the only part of it. It'll be interesting how much support they can get for people porting. They've at least already heavily optimized Source engine(yeah yeah, it's old and busted and that doesn't sound all that impressive) on Linux systems, so at least their games are likely to run better on it, and an entire OS optimized around gaming could be interesting. Like I said above I'm interested in the rest of the announcements.
 
2013-09-23 07:57:00 PM

Flappyhead: What if it comes shaped as a Weighted Companion Cube?


www.faniq.com
 
2013-09-23 08:07:18 PM

HeartBurnKid: fusillade762: "SteamOS will be available soon as a free download for users and as a freely licensable operating system for manufacturers,"

Maybe I'm unclear on the term "walled ecosystem"...

Well, if it only runs programs that you purchase from Steam, then it is, indeed, a walled ecosystem.

Fortunately, they haven't said this will be the case, but you never know.


From the actual announcement:

"With SteamOS, 'openness' means that the hardware industry can iterate in the living room at a much faster pace than they've been able to. Content creators can connect directly to their customers. Users can alter or replace any part of the software or hardware they want. Gamers are empowered to join in the creation of the games they love. "

That says to me that they're gonna keep it quite open. Other parts of the actual announcement seem to indicate that that is a core aspect of SteamOS.
 
2013-09-23 08:07:40 PM
yukichigai:Even something as low-complexity as HuffyUV would cut the streaming rate to a third of that, and that's not factoring in the ability to do GPU-based encoding.  Look at how the Nvidia Shield works: 720p video streaming over wireless using GPU-based encoding.  It works beautifully.

I have no doubt about the workability of the stream, just the latency.  A video stream can have a 200ms delay without anyone really noticing.  When you press left in a game though and nothing happens for a quarter of a second, everything starts to feel off.  Kind of what HD TVs did to Guitar Hero/Rock Band/etc.
 
2013-09-23 08:08:37 PM

Carth: BumpInTheNight: We've reached out to a number of publishers, including EA, Activision, Square Enix, and Ubisoft, to see who's planning to develop or port games for SteamOS.

Yah, some how I don't think those assbags have any intention of joining steam's walled garden when they're trying desperately to harden their own.  Good times for SteamOS though, if it can reach the point where it supports gaming better then windows does that's the last excuse I've got for keeping windows as a desktop and I'll be happy to jump ship long before I have to deal with win8's interface that shall not be named.

/Fark EA, Activision and Ubisoft.  I don't know about Square because frankly I outgrew Final Fantasy style JRPGs twenty years ago and Story-time Snake does not interest me at all

From what I've read they don't have to make their games purchasable on Steam they just need to make them SteamOS compatible. The user can then purchase the games from Origin or whatever service they use and manually import it into their Steam library. EA wins and makes a sale, Valve wins because their OS has broader support and the gamer wins because they don't have to boot into windows or steam from another computer to play on their TV.


Are you sure?  Right now, if you purchase a game from Origin, Steam won't touch it.  It's a nasty little thing neither company likes to mention. Sims 3 players get screwed big time on it - They purchase Sims 3 on Origin or something and then Steam has a sale on expansions, so they download the expansion off Steam, then afterwords learn that they won't play nicely together.
 
2013-09-23 08:10:45 PM
This is awesome sauce...   A freely installable linux gaming OS that is user friendly, and I can put it on any machine I want?  THIS is what linux has been needing for a long long time.  If this works, then we might just be about to see the rise of linux as a main stream OS, and with it, desktop friendly variants for the masses....

www.technobuffalo.com
 
2013-09-23 08:12:51 PM
Will it play all these windows games I've already purchased?
 
2013-09-23 08:13:51 PM

fang06554: yukichigai:Even something as low-complexity as HuffyUV would cut the streaming rate to a third of that, and that's not factoring in the ability to do GPU-based encoding.  Look at how the Nvidia Shield works: 720p video streaming over wireless using GPU-based encoding.  It works beautifully.

I have no doubt about the workability of the stream, just the latency.  A video stream can have a 200ms delay without anyone really noticing.  When you press left in a game though and nothing happens for a quarter of a second, everything starts to feel off.  Kind of what HD TVs did to Guitar Hero/Rock Band/etc.


HuffyUV is a realtime lossless codec.  By design its delay is as low as possible, well under 200ms.  I'm not saying it would be 0ms, but it should be able to get under 100ms.
 
2013-09-23 08:13:52 PM
If the major thing about this is being able to stream games from a PC to a TV, it is a major waste of money.
 
2013-09-23 08:17:37 PM

RoxtarRyan: If the major thing about this is being able to stream games from a PC to a TV, it is a major waste of money.


I think that's just a stopgap feature for the time being, until developers start compiling games for SteamOS.  When it launches it'll probably only be able to play Valve games and maybe DOTA2, which by itself wouldn't make for much in the way of an adoption rate.  Add this in though and it'll increase it a bit at least, which will in turn encourage more developers to release game versions for it, which will encourage more people to use it, etc. etc. etc.
 
2013-09-23 08:18:07 PM
Im still trying to finish Portal.
 
2013-09-23 08:18:41 PM

RoxtarRyan: If the major thing about this is being able to stream games from a PC to a TV, it is a major waste of money.


I don't understand why we've been talking about a consolidated media center for the last ten years yet we still don't have one even though the technology not only exists, but is perfectly sound.

It's almost.... almost like.... almost like it's not a technology problem, it's a people problem.

/ STOP TRYING TO SELL ME GAME SYSTEMS I CAN'T USE WHEN MY WIFE IS WATCHING TV, JERKASSES
 
2013-09-23 08:24:07 PM
AAAs should love this. They no longer have to support multiple OSs.

Just let Valve do the heavy listing while they rack up the same sales with lower overhead costs.
 
2013-09-23 08:25:55 PM

netweavr: AAAs should love this. They no longer have to support multiple OSs.

Just let Valve do the heavy listing while they rack up the same sales with lower overhead costs.


Assuming a lot of people adopt this platform.
 
2013-09-23 08:25:59 PM
And how this relates to the steam box... This is almost too beautiful... The steam box will just be a PC with steam OS installed that meets certain hardware requirements for modern games.   NOBODY has to buy a steam-box.  we can all make our own steam-box, or not...   Buy one if you don't want to build it!

/im a builder

ITS BEAUTIFUL!
 
2013-09-23 08:28:51 PM
Assuming this is the basis for our upcoming Steambox, we're looking at (best case) a fully-realized version of what everyone thought the Ouya was capable of being or (worst case) a half-baked version of what everyone feared the XBone would be.

It concerns me a bit that in their materials, they refer to titles as "SteamOS" compatible rather than Linux compatible.  As it stands right now, they're basically urging publishers to make what could be a 7th version of a title (PS4, XB1,  Windows, Mac, WiiU, Linux, and SteamOS).  Dev costs are high enough as it is, TBH.

I'm more being a wet blanket than anything, but this leaves me with a giant "meh" until we at least see the rest of the week's announcements.
 
2013-09-23 08:44:47 PM

yukichigai: HuffyUV is a realtime lossless codec.


Since you did it twice, I'm guessing it's not a typo.  It's either Huffyuv or HuffYUV, not HuffyUV.

/just a niggle
//carry on
 
2013-09-23 08:44:50 PM
All the Fallouts...please. They don't play so nicely with more recent versions of Windows
 
2013-09-23 08:50:37 PM

feanorn: All the Fallouts...please. They don't play so nicely with more recent versions of Windows


No issues with Fallout 3 on my end. Guess I just got lucky.
 
2013-09-23 08:53:58 PM

RoxtarRyan: feanorn: All the Fallouts...please. They don't play so nicely with more recent versions of Windows

No issues with Fallout 3 on my end. Guess I just got lucky.


You did.  I'd guess by disabling Games For Windows Live.  God that thing is such an awful mess.

Both Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas are SO much more stable when you download the appropriate Unofficial Patch from the NexusMods site. Just go to either one and search for "Unofficial Patch".
 
2013-09-23 08:55:32 PM
Much more relevant.

www.structuregaming.com
 
2013-09-23 08:57:18 PM

yukichigai: Both Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas are SO much more stable when you download the appropriate Unofficial Patch from the NexusMods site. Just go to either one and search for "Unofficial Patch".


...wait a second, people play Fallout (or any Bethesda game) without mods?

cdn.head-fi.org
 
2013-09-23 09:01:41 PM

RoxtarRyan: yukichigai: Both Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas are SO much more stable when you download the appropriate Unofficial Patch from the NexusMods site. Just go to either one and search for "Unofficial Patch".

...wait a second, people play Fallout (or any Bethesda game) without mods?


It's like ordering pizza without even cheese.
 
2013-09-23 09:04:23 PM

RoxtarRyan: yukichigai: Both Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas are SO much more stable when you download the appropriate Unofficial Patch from the NexusMods site. Just go to either one and search for "Unofficial Patch".

...wait a second, people play Fallout (or any Bethesda game) without mods?

[cdn.head-fi.org image 450x268]


Sadly, most people run mods, but many don't think to grab bug fixes as well.  Hell, for the longest time Nexus didn't even have a Bug Fixes category, you just had to dump things into Miscellaneous and make sure the mod had the word "Fix" in it somewhere.
 
2013-09-23 09:04:32 PM

yukichigai: Both Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas are SO much more stable when you download the appropriate Unofficial Patch from the NexusMods site. Just go to either one and search for "Unofficial Patch".


And on the original two Fallouts the colors are completely b0rked unless you install the unofficial hi-res updates and stop the explorer.exe task while you're playing.

That's one thing that GoG has all over Steam. I have NEVER had a problem running a GoG download on any version of Windows, but, so far, I've had problems with the entire GTA library, Sins of a Solar Empire, and Fallout 1 and 2 from Steam so far.
 
2013-09-23 09:09:00 PM

Maul555: This is awesome sauce...   A freely installable linux gaming OS that is user friendly, and I can put it on any machine I want?  THIS is what linux has been needing for a long long time.  If this works, then we might just be about to see the rise of linux as a main stream OS, and with it, desktop friendly variants for the masses....


It's free, but I'll take your money.
 
2013-09-23 09:13:06 PM

skozlaw: And on the original two Fallouts the colors are completely b0rked unless you install the unofficial hi-res updates and stop the explorer.exe task while you're playing.


Uhm... that kind of makes Windows... y'know... stop being Windows.

Easier option is to just get the Hi-Res patcher for the executable.  Only problem I've had with it is that changing the resolution in windowed mode doesn't actually work: you have to manually drag the window size larger or smaller.  On the plus side, that means you can size it to whatever crazy measurement you want and the game runs fine.  I frequently have Fallout 2 up on the second monitor while I do other things on the main screen.
 
2013-09-23 09:29:16 PM
Translation: our devs are tearing their hair out trying to get our games to run on multiple Linux distros, so it's easier to make our own.
 
ecl
2013-09-23 09:34:37 PM

yukichigai: skozlaw: And on the original two Fallouts the colors are completely b0rked unless you install the unofficial hi-res updates and stop the explorer.exe task while you're playing.

Uhm... that kind of makes Windows... y'know... stop being Windows.

Easier option is to just get the Hi-Res patcher for the executable.  Only problem I've had with it is that changing the resolution in windowed mode doesn't actually work: you have to manually drag the window size larger or smaller.  On the plus side, that means you can size it to whatever crazy measurement you want and the game runs fine.  I frequently have Fallout 2 up on the second monitor while I do other things on the main screen.


You can always restart it after you're done.
 
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