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(Military Times)   The US military will spend $3 billion to ship gear back from Afghanistan. Dummies should have spent the extra $79 for Amazon Prime   (militarytimes.com) divider line 55
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2013-09-23 04:02:14 PM  
Yep, clearly we should stay at war.  It just costs to much to stop spending money.
 
2013-09-23 04:04:32 PM  
Better than leaving the equipment to fall into the hands of people who might see fit to use it against us or our interests.
 
2013-09-23 04:04:58 PM  
We're leaving billions there; or selling it to locals. War is a racket.
 
2013-09-23 04:06:13 PM  
You don't want to pay the cost of shipping it back?  Fine. What's the problem?

namvietnews.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-23 04:06:22 PM  
Wasn't there an article about how we are leaving behind a lot of stuff because it's not worth shipping back.

Anyway, clearance is out!
 
2013-09-23 04:07:53 PM  

cgraves67: Better than leaving the equipment to fall into the hands of people who might see fit to use it against us or our interests.


Yeah better than having wasted rotting in the desert or being used against us. I remember after Desert Storm we ended up selling a lot of stuff to our allies in the region so we wouldnt have to ship it back.
 
2013-09-23 04:08:13 PM  
Didn't we recently outrage over all the equipment that was being left over there? Now I have to switch gears. Ok......done! Now I am properly outraged.

farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2013-09-23 04:09:23 PM  
Damn you, mr0x. I wasted time on the pic.
 
2013-09-23 04:10:52 PM  
Does that mean we can finally buy old Humvees like we could buy old jeeps after WWII?  I want one.
 
2013-09-23 04:11:24 PM  
I saw and article on the is very Fark just a few months ago lamenting how the military was going to leave billions of dollars worth of equipment behind in Afghanistan.

So, which is it?
 
2013-09-23 04:14:52 PM  

illannoyin: I saw and article on the is very Fark just a few months ago lamenting how the military was going to leave billions of dollars worth of equipment behind in Afghanistan.

So, which is it?


It's both. We have a lot of crap, and we're leaving a lot of stuff there AND shipping a lot of stuff back.
 
2013-09-23 04:17:15 PM  

illannoyin: I saw and article on the is very Fark just a few months ago lamenting how the military was going to leave billions of dollars worth of equipment behind in Afghanistan.

So, which is it?


The article contains the answer...
 
2013-09-23 04:18:49 PM  

cptjeff: It's both. We have a lot of crap, and we're leaving a lot of stuff there AND shipping a lot of stuff back.


Indeed. FTFA:

The Army, the lead service in the salvage-and-shipping operation, started the year facing a $28 billion mountain of gear. So far, about $11 billion worth of goods has come home and 330 of 400 bases have been closed.

About $7 billion in materiel will be left behind - sold to allies, given to the Afghan government or cut up and auctioned for their metal.
 
2013-09-23 04:19:07 PM  
Well... ok, as long as it's not real money.
 
2013-09-23 04:30:08 PM  
Easy solution: Don't ship it home.

/Then we can buy brand new stuff!
/You damn well know that's what they're thinking.
 
2013-09-23 04:34:17 PM  
FTFA

For example, some Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) trucks the Pentagon developed during a crash program to build and ship to protect troops from roadside bombs are headed for the scrap yard.

'Morning, Sally.
You're late!
Yes, I know. I was up all night, defending the city from evil...
...but you don't care about that.
Work starts at 9:00! It's 9:25!
I guess all the junk's probably ruined by now.
When are you gonna tear down that jeep like I told you to?
We went through this yesterday. That jeep is an armored car of some type.
It can withstand bombs. I can't rip it apart with a crowbar.
Just junk it.
If you gave me the proper tools, I could-

i38.tinypic.com
Junk it!
I'm willing to have this discussion with you...
...but I think we should deal with it like two people who respect-
I want it junked.
Okay.
Right now, I'm kind of like a powder keg...
...and you're the match.
If you tell me to junk it one more time-
Junk it now!
You got that?
That little sucker just saved your life.
Just junk it, you miserable cuss.
 
2013-09-23 04:37:14 PM  
FTFA

For example, some Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) trucks the Pentagon developed during a crash program to build and ship to protect troops from roadside bombs are headed for the scrap yard.


The Herkimer Battle Jitney, That's right, the finest non-lethal military vehicle ever made!
 
2013-09-23 04:37:48 PM  
You know, I've been wondering, with all the hubbub over Syria, what the hell is going on over in Afghanistan.  Haven't heard much this year -- is that a good thing?
 
2013-09-23 04:39:28 PM  
"Is war wasteful? Yes," Adams said.

But it makes great profiteers.
 
2013-09-23 04:40:28 PM  
Yippee! Maybe I'll be able to find an AN-577/GRC 2 man carry 45 foot crank up tower. I've been searching and searching for one to no avail.
 
2013-09-23 04:41:55 PM  
You can still go out and find brand new NOS gear in Europe from WWII. German, American, Soviet, whatever,. Same with Vietnam, oodles and oodles of gear still new in warehousing.

I fully expect the same thing here. Hell, they're still selling WWII stuff all the time. Go to any decent Surplus store and you'll see what I mean.
 
2013-09-23 04:43:26 PM  

imfallen_angel: FTFA

For example, some Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) trucks the Pentagon developed during a crash program to build and ship to protect troops from roadside bombs are headed for the scrap yard.

'Morning, Sally.
You're late!
Yes, I know. I was up all night, defending the city from evil...
...but you don't care about that.
Work starts at 9:00! It's 9:25!
I guess all the junk's probably ruined by now.
When are you gonna tear down that jeep like I told you to?
We went through this yesterday. That jeep is an armored car of some type.
It can withstand bombs. I can't rip it apart with a crowbar.
Just junk it.
If you gave me the proper tools, I could-

[i38.tinypic.com image 273x227]
Junk it!
I'm willing to have this discussion with you...
...but I think we should deal with it like two people who respect-
I want it junked.
Okay.
Right now, I'm kind of like a powder keg...
...and you're the match.
If you tell me to junk it one more time-
Junk it now!
You got that?
That little sucker just saved your life.
Just junk it, you miserable cuss.


I love this movie.  You have made my day.
 
2013-09-23 04:47:31 PM  
cgraves67


Better than leaving the equipment to fall into the hands of people who might see fit to use it against us or our interests.

Yeah you certainly don't want gear accidentally falling into the hands of -not our enemy- al qaeda while obama waves federal law in order to ship brand new shiny weapons to al qaeda
 
2013-09-23 04:50:54 PM  
(insert snarky remark about Republicans cutting food stamps)
 
2013-09-23 04:55:38 PM  

OnlyM3: cgraves67


Better than leaving the equipment to fall into the hands of people who might see fit to use it against us or our interests.
Yeah you certainly don't want gear accidentally falling into the hands of -not our enemy- al qaeda while obama waves federal law in order to ship brand new shiny weapons to al qaeda


how many times do you have to be told that the aim of arming moderates in syria is in part to negate the influence of extremists? no-one is talking about arming al-qaeda. you are either dishonest or slow. in fact, you're probably both
 
2013-09-23 05:03:01 PM  

imfallen_angel: FTFA

For example, some Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) trucks the Pentagon developed during a crash program to build and ship to protect troops from roadside bombs are headed for the scrap yard.


The Herkimer Battle Jitney, That's right, the finest non-lethal military vehicle ever made!


Say it with me: "Heller."
 
2013-09-23 05:07:19 PM  
OK, I'll do it for 2.9. Final offer.
 
2013-09-23 05:08:26 PM  

fickenchucker: Does that mean we can finally buy old Humvees like we could buy old jeeps after WWII?  I want one.


I've driven both a Humvee (the Army kind, not the civilian foo foo kind) and a WWII jeep. The jeep was a helluva lot more fun to drive, very nimble and zippy. The Humvee rode like a lead-assed, covered wagon and was a biatch to drive in regular traffic  because it so wide it took up the entire lane. The Humvee does have a lot more modification parts available, so that might be fun if you got the money to spend on it.
 
2013-09-23 05:15:37 PM  
If only there was a war with a country right next door we could just drive all the equipment to....  (I'm lookin' at you Iran)

Solves two problems with one solution!
 
2013-09-23 05:19:02 PM  

historynow11: imfallen_angel: FTFA

For example, some Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) trucks the Pentagon developed during a crash program to build and ship to protect troops from roadside bombs are headed for the scrap yard.


The Herkimer Battle Jitney, That's right, the finest non-lethal military vehicle ever made!

Say it with me: "Heller."


Heller
 
2013-09-23 05:19:21 PM  

way south: Easy solution: Don't ship it home.

/Then we can buy brand new stuff!
/You damn well know that's what they're thinking.


And in many cases, it's actually cheaper to do so. The crap we have over there is big and heavy, and it takes quite a bit of time and fuel to haul a bunch of really heavy crap around. Besides which, it's just spent a decade in a harsh environment while taking gunfire. It costs money to recondition the stuff, even if we keep it.
 
2013-09-23 05:20:11 PM  
it's like how infomercials tell you you'll get a 2nd one for free (pay separate shipping and handling fee).

/but wait
//there's more
 
2013-09-23 05:25:39 PM  

BrimStonez: If only there was a war with a country right next door we could just drive all the equipment to....  (I'm lookin' at you Iran)

Solves two problems with one solution!


Well, we're taking it by convoy and loading it up on ships docked in Pakistan. Those ships will be taking it back to the US out through the Mediterranean anyway, we could just have them drop it off in Syria. Well, Turkey. The rebels don't control any Syrian ports, but they do control parts of the Turkish border near the Mediterranean.
 
2013-09-23 05:28:37 PM  
When I graduated in '99, I went to a career fair for engineers. The Cold War was over and 9/11 hadn't happened yet so the military contractors were looking for things to do. Some were getting into developing video games, others water treatment or robotics. One company however said they were sticking to their guns. The recruiter actually told me "Don't worry, war will be back in fashion soon." And sure enough, 9/11 happened and Afghanistan wasn't enough for us so we invaded Iraq. Guess that gal from Raytheon knew what she was talking about. Bet they made out really well in all of this.
 
2013-09-23 05:35:11 PM  

BrimStonez: If only there was a war with a country right next door we could just drive all the equipment to....  (I'm lookin' at you Iran)

Solves two problems with one solution!


Yeah, call me crazy, but I don't think we are done with the Middle East. We may not have plans to do anything, but I'm guessing it might flare up again... somewhere (I'm lookin' at you Syria, Iraq, Iran or one of the "stans").

 .
 
2013-09-23 05:45:39 PM  

BrimStonez: If only there was a war with a country right next door we could just drive all the equipment to....  (I'm lookin' at you Iran)

Solves two problems with one solution!


Creating more mutilated soldiers isn´t a good solution.

You´re still taking care of your soldiers I take it?
 
2013-09-23 05:48:12 PM  

cptjeff: illannoyin: I saw and article on the is very Fark just a few months ago lamenting how the military was going to leave billions of dollars worth of equipment behind in Afghanistan.

So, which is it?

It's both. We have a lot of crap, and we're leaving a lot of stuff there AND shipping a lot of stuff back.


Victor Bout will be pleased.

/obscure?
 
2013-09-23 05:56:44 PM  

WordyGrrl: fickenchucker: Does that mean we can finally buy old Humvees like we could buy old jeeps after WWII?  I want one.

I've driven both a Humvee (the Army kind, not the civilian foo foo kind) and a WWII jeep. The jeep was a helluva lot more fun to drive, very nimble and zippy. The Humvee rode like a lead-assed, covered wagon and was a biatch to drive in regular traffic  because it so wide it took up the entire lane. The Humvee does have a lot more modification parts available, so that might be fun if you got the money to spend on it.



If nothing else it would be fun in a snow storm.
 
2013-09-23 05:58:22 PM  

fickenchucker: Does that mean we can finally buy old Humvees like we could buy old jeeps after WWII?  I want one.


Nope. Most of the Humvees were up-armored, and you definitely don't want one of those. I think there's actually going to be a shortage of them, as they quit building them in favor of the MRAPs, and those things wear out.
 
2013-09-23 06:02:59 PM  
The US military shipped my brother back to us from Afghanistan last Saturday.

Ouch, that sounds worse than it is. He's fine, back with his family, got to watch his Bears kick the crap out of the Steelers last night. His deployment was up, that's all.

I don't really care what happens next. I could sweat it, but it'll have no effect whatsoever, so Imma save myself the time and trouble.
 
2013-09-23 06:15:17 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-23 06:40:56 PM  
I'm trying to find any farks to give. Nope - none.
 
2013-09-23 07:18:42 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: The US military shipped my brother back to us from Afghanistan last Saturday.

Ouch, that sounds worse than it is. He's fine, back with his family, got to watch his Bears kick the crap out of the Steelers last night. His deployment was up, that's all.

I don't really care what happens next. I could sweat it, but it'll have no effect whatsoever, so Imma save myself the time and trouble.


Congrats. Tell him welcome home!!!
 
2013-09-23 08:42:00 PM  

The Flexecutioner: it's like how infomercials tell you you'll get a 2nd one for free (pay separate shipping and handling fee).

/but wait
//there's more


//included with this amazing offer is every album ever recorded, that's right folks, every album ever recorded
 
2013-09-23 08:46:26 PM  
Why not just blow it up and let them scrap the slag? That crap is going into retirement with all the drones headed into the air.
 
2013-09-23 09:07:24 PM  

cptjeff: way south: Easy solution: Don't ship it home.

/Then we can buy brand new stuff!
/You damn well know that's what they're thinking.

And in many cases, it's actually cheaper to do so. The crap we have over there is big and heavy, and it takes quite a bit of time and fuel to haul a bunch of really heavy crap around. Besides which, it's just spent a decade in a harsh environment while taking gunfire. It costs money to recondition the stuff, even if we keep it.




It also costs money to design this machinery, which is not only big and heavy but specialized and made in relatively small production runs. The tooling and staff are rarely kept around after the job is done.
When you fall below a certain number of viable units in the field, you are no longer talking reconditioning but entirely new vehicle programs to fill unexpected gaps of in our arsenal.

I wouldn't be shocked if the future combat systems program (or something similar) rises from its grave in the near future.

/The military industrial complex is designed to be inefficient.
/Especially when they say they are trying to "save money".
 
2013-09-23 09:25:06 PM  

illannoyin: I saw and article on the is very Fark just a few months ago lamenting how the military was going to leave billions of dollars worth of equipment behind in Afghanistan.

So, which is it?


Yes! No! Outrage! Money! Terrorists! Syria! Iraq! Obama! Derp!
 
2013-09-23 09:59:30 PM  
Keep slaving away americans.... your government will have more wars to squander the fruits of your labor on after this one is wrapped up.
 
2013-09-23 10:13:17 PM  

fickenchucker: Does that mean we can finally buy old Humvees like we could buy old jeeps after WWII?  I want one.


No, you really don't.
 
2013-09-23 11:25:10 PM  
Why don't we just bulldoze it all into the hole that was Iran (before we turn it into the next Sudan Crater)?
 
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