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(Kotaku)   "Last week my store sold over a thousand copies of GTA V, at least a hundred of which were sold to parents for children who could barely even see over my counter." WTF is wrong with you parents??   (kotaku.com) divider line 50
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2013-09-23 01:36:50 PM
8 votes:
My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.
2013-09-23 05:53:06 PM
7 votes:

ReapTheChaos: "Lastly, when I try to describe the content and warnings of an M-rated game to you, please don't ignore me and nod while scrolling through your iPhone."

This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.


Really? Sounds like he's actually doing his job, unlike some minimum wage earners.
2013-09-23 06:02:57 PM
6 votes:
Anyone comparing this to kids playing cops & robbers with cap guns and watching Tom & Jerry cartoons is out of touch on a level I have never seen before.
2013-09-23 06:06:15 PM
5 votes:

brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.


I teach in a school for kids who have behavior and emotional disorders, 98% of them live below the poverty line. The poverty line to which I am referring is $23,550/yr for a household of 4. These kids often don't have working utilities, enough food at home, and move from eviction to eviction. They cannot afford medication or clothing but guess how many of them had GTA V last week? Nearly all of them. Now many people could say "well they were just lying, they can't afford that" and I would agree but for some reason (showing off) when a kid gets a new video game they immediately bring it to school. It's not like we have consoles here. So I'd like to see a comparison of the per capita "silver spoon" kids vs. poor kids ownership once the buying frenzy dies down. Priorities are completely out of sorts for these "parents" of the poor kids.
2013-09-23 12:54:34 PM
5 votes:
Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.
2013-09-23 06:06:00 PM
4 votes:
A friend of mine at work asked me if I thought it would be okay if his 8 year old son played GTAV. I told him "Look, I played GTA3 when I was something like 13 or 14, but for all it's violence, the game really wasn't THAT bad. GTAV should NOT be played by kids. It's really not appropriate for them. I would highly discourage letting your son play this." He asked why. I said "Last night I picked up a hooker, had sex with her, stabbed her in the neck, then set her corpse on fire. That sound like a kid's game to you?"
2013-09-23 05:53:04 PM
4 votes:

ReapTheChaos: "Lastly, when I try to describe the content and warnings of an M-rated game to you, please don't ignore me and nod while scrolling through your iPhone."

This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.


Actually, it sounds like someone who wants to protect his job.

We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.
2013-09-23 07:09:14 PM
3 votes:

green_chile_cheeseburger: Oh, get the fark over it.

They got the game before you.  It's none of your business what those parents buy their kids.  Are you the parent in that situation?  Are you the kid in that situation?  Do you see anything more than parents buying their kid a video game?  Right.  You can stop using the internet now.


There comes a point where social responsibility needs to trump individualism for the good of the future generation. Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty, say it's a good thing for kids?

No offense, but folks have gone overboard with this "you don't know me! don't judge me!" non-sense just as much as they've gone overboard with "wont somebody think of the children". If someone is doing something irresponsible in public in a way that might produce a little sociopath, they deserve to be judged for it. This is how society has dealt with bad parents for years. Your right to complain about it, however, remains unchanged
2013-09-23 06:37:54 PM
3 votes:

RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.


Pretty sure that's exactly the problem he was getting at - parents NOT parenting. Because buying age-inappropriate materials for your kid as an electronic pacifier is not parenting, doubly so when blithely ignoring warnings against doing so.
2013-09-23 05:58:26 PM
3 votes:

RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.


So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".
2013-09-23 07:36:01 PM
2 votes:
(sigh)...My sister in Law buys her 13 year old kid games sight unseen. What he wants, he gets.
My 13 year old got a little upset with me when I told him no, but we talked about it and now he understands there's just games he isn't playing until he's old enough.
2013-09-23 07:12:12 PM
2 votes:
Got Vice City when I was 12. But GTA V in kids hands has me thinking "You parents suck at parenting."
2013-09-23 06:12:41 PM
2 votes:
God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn
2013-09-23 06:05:06 PM
2 votes:

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.

[img37.imageshack.us image 500x642]

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


As a parent and a grandparent...

Nope. They're right on the money.
2013-09-23 05:57:20 PM
2 votes:
I was in Gamestop at the weekend with my eight year old and asked the teenagers behind the counter if they had anything with similar gameplay, chasing and shooting and so on, but without the "adult" themes. They looked at me like I was... completely normal, actually, and gave me some good suggestions.

/As an aside, given the way most of these games treat violence and drugs, and depict women as basically transporters for cleavage, they really should be rated I for Immature.
2013-09-23 05:47:42 PM
2 votes:

brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.


img37.imageshack.us

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.
2013-09-23 05:41:11 PM
2 votes:
Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.
2013-09-23 02:12:26 PM
2 votes:
Like any good, responsible parent, I don't play GTAV with my kids around.

Like any good, responsible GTA player, getting a blowjob and beating the hooker to death to get the money back was done almost immediately.
2013-09-23 01:32:31 PM
2 votes:

sithon: or maybe the game was for the parents not the kids.


While that may be true for a couple, I'm more than willing to believe that the majority of those parents were buying it for their kids. Hell, I saw one when I went in to GameStop on Friday to get it. The parent obviously didn't want to be there and the kid was bouncing off the walls he was so excited about getting it. Salesperson reads off the warnings on the back and the mom gives the most unenthusiastic "Yea, whatever" before swiping her credit card.
2013-09-24 01:04:29 PM
1 votes:

zumer69: I teach in a school for kids who have behavior and emotional disorders, 98% of them live below the poverty line. The poverty line to which I am referring is $23,550/yr for a household of 4. These kids often don't have working utilities, enough food at home, and move from eviction to eviction. They cannot afford medication or clothing but guess how many of them had GTA V last week? Nearly all of them. Now many people could say "well they were just lying, they can't afford that" and I would agree but for some reason (showing off) when a kid gets a new video game they immediately bring it to school. It's not like we have consoles here. So I'd like to see a comparison of the per capita "silver spoon" kids vs. poor kids ownership once the buying frenzy dies down. Priorities are completely out of sorts for these "parents" of the poor kids.


I worked as an attorney representing young teens accused of crimes for several years. The number of my clients who owned mature themed games was through the roof, although in fairness to the parents about 50% of the time it was the "cool uncle" (on at least one occassion the cool uncle was also known as "the co-defendant") who made the purchase.

My favorite memory was of a kid with an open case who told me he played GTA (Vice City maybe? It was a long time ago...). He and his (clueless) mother both told me they didn't think it was a problem. In front of both of them I asked the kid to tell his mom how you replenished health. He started squirming, then eventually told her about the street hookers. She was pretty stunned.

/I don't begrudge a working class parent getting their kid a game console. I do begrudge any parent who completely checks out on the entertainment media their child is consuming.
//From a legal perspective that conversation was necessary - if he was convicted there would be a home study. If that report showed the mother had that level of ignorance about what her kid was doing with his days when not outside committing crimes it could have been used by the prosecution to show that she could not be trusted to monitor his conduct, and that his sentence should not be home based.
2013-09-24 12:42:54 PM
1 votes:
I don't put a lot of stock in the "violent video games are corrupting our kids" trope, but my brother, who is a father of three, said something interesting a month or so ago.  Apparently EVERYTHING that my nephew has is some type of gun or sword or other weapon.  Yeah, he's got a scooter, and some dump truck toys, but now that he's 5, my brother is seeing that all of his "age appropriate" toys are weapons of some form or another.  People want to blame the video games, but they're just the most visible item.  It's more the entire context of their lives.  It's all Avengers and cops and robbers with guns and knives.

That being said, how can you let your sub-15 year old play GTA V?  That's crazy.
2013-09-24 11:51:55 AM
1 votes:
That torture scene was one of the most uncomfortable things I've ever done in a video game. I didn't really enjoy that part of the game too much, felt kinda dirty afterwards.
rpm
2013-09-24 09:00:33 AM
1 votes:

Somaticasual: You still haven't answered my question, rpm.
Again - and with no mincing words, CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?


No. Can you say with 100% intellectual honesty it's significant issues among significant numbers?

Bad parenting is far more impactful than video games. Do you support regulation of child bearing? If not, why not?

Religion has obviously done more damage to children than just about anything else. Do you support its regulation? If not, why not?

CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT ANYTHING IS PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?
2013-09-24 08:22:22 AM
1 votes:

Fano: Electrify: Fano: I bought GTA V from Target. I was not carded for the beer I was also buying, but the kid running the register asked to see my id for the game. I laughed in his face and asked whatever for. He then explained that it was M for mature and they had to prove I was of age to buy it. I handed over the card and snorted that I was going to walk outside and hand it to a 9 year old outside .

Wow, you sound really cool.

Eh, in your late 30s getting your time wasted by pimply teens who also give a super serial lecture isn't cool. Especially since, as I mentioned, he didn't card me for alcohol. I'm sure the ABC would be interested to know that.

When was the last time you were carded buying an "R" rated movie ticket?


The kid has probably been told by his boss to card everyone who wants to buy it, young or old. I'll admit it is odd to not want the ID for the beer, but in the unlikely chance you are under 21 he probably wouldn't sell you the beer either.

Late 20s, and while I don't usually get carded for movies, I still regularly get asked for ID when buying alcohol. Takes me two seconds to do, and I don't make a big deal out of it. Since you are approaching midlife crisis territory, you should take being carded as a compliment.
2013-09-24 12:01:55 AM
1 votes:

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.



Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


It certainly fits the parents I know.
2013-09-23 11:56:28 PM
1 votes:

Mike_LowELL: I wonder how you would explain to this kid that he is now a "meme" on the "internet".


From a good distance..
2013-09-23 11:21:23 PM
1 votes:

meanmutton: FTFA: " if "all his friends" were to jump off a cliff...  "

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x238]
img.fark.net


Yeah... this would be another reason I hate XKCD.
2013-09-23 11:01:37 PM
1 votes:

Fano: I bought GTA V from Target. I was not carded for the beer I was also buying, but the kid running the register asked to see my id for the game. I laughed in his face and asked whatever for. He then explained that it was M for mature and they had to prove I was of age to buy it. I handed over the card and snorted that I was going to walk outside and hand it to a 9 year old outside .


Wow, you sound really cool.
2013-09-23 10:08:31 PM
1 votes:

tjsands1118: meanmutton: Carth: Shedim: We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.

Yea, that is illegal in the US since video games have first amendment protection. A store can decide not to sell to minors, or anyone else, but the state can't fine them if they do.

That's not even remotely true.

Yeah I was going to say it's illegal to sell pornography to children. Hell their was a case about six years ago where a comic book shop owner sold an adult age undercover cop a comic, that contained adult themes and nudity; he was ticketed and fined for distribution of pornography to a minor. I remember reading it on the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund newsletter.

I doubt video games have any more legal leeway then comic books. And from what I know of the GTA series and what I've heard of 5 (still haven't played it). I know there got to be enough nudity and themes to qualify it as pornography.

Which means if kids are taking their copies of the game to school, the school would probably be in it's rights to confiscate it as pornography.


Here is the wiki page to the SCOTUS case.
2013-09-23 10:04:44 PM
1 votes:

meanmutton: Carth: Shedim: We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.

Yea, that is illegal in the US since video games have first amendment protection. A store can decide not to sell to minors, or anyone else, but the state can't fine them if they do.

That's not even remotely true.


Yeah I was going to say it's illegal to sell pornography to children. Hell their was a case about six years ago where a comic book shop owner sold an adult age undercover cop a comic, that contained adult themes and nudity; he was ticketed and fined for distribution of pornography to a minor. I remember reading it on the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund newsletter.

I doubt video games have any more legal leeway then comic books. And from what I know of the GTA series and what I've heard of 5 (still haven't played it). I know there got to be enough nudity and themes to qualify it as pornography.

Which means if kids are taking their copies of the game to school, the school would probably be in it's rights to confiscate it as pornography.
2013-09-23 09:35:35 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: " if "all his friends" were to jump off a cliff...  "

imgs.xkcd.com
2013-09-23 09:14:34 PM
1 votes:

kryptin420: Im 32 and my parents let me watch any r rated movies i wanted. I was addicted to the friday the 13th and nightmare on elm street movies when i was 7. I Had Wolfenstein 3d and doom when they first came out when i was around 11 and played the first Gta when i was 14. According to the mediA i should have owned a bunch of guns and shot up some place by now. I can't figure out why my compulsion for murder never materialized. The media would never lie.


Perhaps your parents should have taken away your console until after you had finished your English homework.
2013-09-23 07:24:50 PM
1 votes:

Krymson Tyde: ferretman: My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.

I have GTA IV. My 5 year old daughter loves driving and walking around town, but that's all she does.


My 10 year old daughter plays Need For Speed.
2013-09-23 07:22:27 PM
1 votes:

js34603: Dragonflew: RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.

So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".

You know who else said the "next generation is going to be insufferable"?

No, not him. The generation before yours. They thought you were going to grow up to be an insufferable douchebag because your parents didn't know the meaning of the word no.

I won't comment on whether they were right or wrong. Just know they thought it while you're busy adjusting that onion on your belt and complaining about the kids today.


The dude was comparing GTA V to playing with cap guns and watching Tom & Jerry when he should be comparing it to children play-acting slitting someone's throat, pulling out their teeth with pliers, stomping their teeth against the pavement, incest, cannibalism, etc. I'm very open-minded, and I'm not against kids being exposed to violence on TV and in games. But the fact remains, GTA V is a disturbing game. Anyone who allows their children to play it is a bad parent, I don't give a rat's ass how well the kid can tell pretend from real. If you can't understand that GTA V is not a game for children, you have either not played it (I have already put over 30 hours into it) or you don't care about your children.
Ant
2013-09-23 07:22:09 PM
1 votes:

ReapTheChaos: This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.


Yeah STFU, peasant. You're not paid enough to take an interest in the society in which you live. Leave that shiat to your betters!
2013-09-23 06:27:20 PM
1 votes:
GTA V is by far the least child appropriate game in the series. Between the torture, the nipples and the cannibalism, I would not let my child (who is -5 months so my opinion is invalid) play this game, nor would I play it when they are around until they are mature enough.

That being said, no one but a parent can really decide what age a kid is ready to be exposed to something like this. I can youtube better strip scenes, like Ludacris' "Cashing Out" cover off the top of my head.
2013-09-23 06:24:15 PM
1 votes:

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.

[img37.imageshack.us image 500x642]

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


Someone sounds a little defensive. Hit a nerve, did he?
2013-09-23 06:23:11 PM
1 votes:

phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn


I will say this is at least a better reaction than the one that a lot of parents had in the 90s, along the lines of "[violent video game name here] is available on the Genesis, so NO GENESIS AT ALL EVER.  I don't care if you really only like Sonic, all Sega games are boycotted."

Almost my whole school went through that for a few years when I was a kid.  Then Mortal Kombat came out for the SNES and every parent was like "well... fark."

I'm hoping the current situation is just an overcorrection and things will balance out in a while.
2013-09-23 06:10:17 PM
1 votes:

Krymson Tyde: ferretman: My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.

I have GTA IV. My 5 year old daughter loves driving and walking around town, but that's all she does.


Yeah, when YOU'RE there. I was wondering why someone named "LilPrincess2007" was at the top of the leader board for most time with 6 stars.
2013-09-23 06:06:14 PM
1 votes:

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.

[img37.imageshack.us image 500x642]

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


pretty sure that was satire there, kiddo
2013-09-23 05:54:16 PM
1 votes:
Ah, the only thing more American than buying your kid something crazy is criticizing others for doing so as though you know what the flying fark you are talking about.
2013-09-23 05:45:56 PM
1 votes:
"Lastly, when I try to describe the content and warnings of an M-rated game to you, please don't ignore me and nod while scrolling through your iPhone."

This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.
2013-09-23 05:42:50 PM
1 votes:
www.drugwar101.com
First world problems.
2013-09-23 05:39:06 PM
1 votes:
loll i went into this gamespot

clerk asked me if i was 18 and i said too him "u gona have 18 black eyes if u dnot give me grand theft auto 5 u frkkin bihtc"

he told me too take as many copy's as i want lol

u wish u had as many copy's of gta as me lol
2013-09-23 05:34:08 PM
1 votes:

UberDave: It probably wouldn't happen as much if there were a "Grand Theft Mariocart".


It's called "Lego City Undercover".

No hookers, and you play a cop. You commandeer cars instead of stealing them.
2013-09-23 05:29:26 PM
1 votes:
Oh, get the fark over it.

They got the game before you.  It's none of your business what those parents buy their kids.  Are you the parent in that situation?  Are you the kid in that situation?  Do you see anything more than parents buying their kid a video game?  Right.  You can stop using the internet now.
2013-09-23 03:45:42 PM
1 votes:
Also, does anyone else have a love/hate relationship with Trevor? He's gotta be the most disgusting, despicable, irredeemable piece of shiat to ever grace a video game, and yet I can't stop laughing at everything he says or does.
2013-09-23 01:54:35 PM
1 votes:

brantgoose: The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.


ain't it the farking true.  and every little thing their child does is the most precious, greatest thing ever.
2013-09-23 01:16:47 PM
1 votes:
Short people got no reason...
2013-09-23 01:15:30 PM
1 votes:
or maybe the game was for the parents not the kids.
 
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