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(Kotaku)   "Last week my store sold over a thousand copies of GTA V, at least a hundred of which were sold to parents for children who could barely even see over my counter." WTF is wrong with you parents??   (kotaku.com) divider line 159
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2013-09-23 06:23:11 PM  

phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn


I will say this is at least a better reaction than the one that a lot of parents had in the 90s, along the lines of "[violent video game name here] is available on the Genesis, so NO GENESIS AT ALL EVER.  I don't care if you really only like Sonic, all Sega games are boycotted."

Almost my whole school went through that for a few years when I was a kid.  Then Mortal Kombat came out for the SNES and every parent was like "well... fark."

I'm hoping the current situation is just an overcorrection and things will balance out in a while.
 
2013-09-23 06:24:15 PM  

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.

[img37.imageshack.us image 500x642]

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


Someone sounds a little defensive. Hit a nerve, did he?
 
2013-09-23 06:25:44 PM  

you have pee hands: How's it look on your PC?


pc is for gay's man

i use my xbox to post on fark

i hope none of u are using pc

pc is for gay's man
 
2013-09-23 06:27:20 PM  
GTA V is by far the least child appropriate game in the series. Between the torture, the nipples and the cannibalism, I would not let my child (who is -5 months so my opinion is invalid) play this game, nor would I play it when they are around until they are mature enough.

That being said, no one but a parent can really decide what age a kid is ready to be exposed to something like this. I can youtube better strip scenes, like Ludacris' "Cashing Out" cover off the top of my head.
 
rpm
2013-09-23 06:35:17 PM  

phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn


I wasn't allowed to play Doom until grad school. Of course, it didn't come out until then.

You were saying something about a lawn?
 
2013-09-23 06:37:47 PM  

rpm: phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until grad school. Of course, it didn't come out until then.

You were saying something about a lawn?


Grandpa, get off my computer!!!
 
2013-09-23 06:37:54 PM  

RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.


Pretty sure that's exactly the problem he was getting at - parents NOT parenting. Because buying age-inappropriate materials for your kid as an electronic pacifier is not parenting, doubly so when blithely ignoring warnings against doing so.
 
2013-09-23 06:39:16 PM  

yukichigai: phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn

I will say this is at least a better reaction than the one that a lot of parents had in the 90s, along the lines of "[violent video game name here] is available on the Genesis, so NO GENESIS AT ALL EVER.  I don't care if you really only like Sonic, all Sega games are boycotted."

Almost my whole school went through that for a few years when I was a kid.  Then Mortal Kombat came out for the SNES and every parent was like "well... fark."

I'm hoping the current situation is just an overcorrection and things will balance out in a while.


I was that kid. I had no console until I was 18.  But I got access to a PC at home at age 7 - Commander Keen ftw - so it wasn't all bad.

While my parents restricted violent titles (my Dad had to play them first in most cases), mostly my parents just didn't want me playing too many videogames period. The reason being that when they were newly married they got an Atari. They literally became addicted to Space Invaders. Came home after work? Space Invaders, free time? Space Invaders. 

I will say that kids always find a way to get at 'restricted' content. I was able to play Blake Stone because when my Dad saw me playing it I was at a point where I was (conveniently) shooting security bots, not people.
 
2013-09-23 06:42:53 PM  

rpm: phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until grad school. Of course, it didn't come out until then.

You were saying something about a lawn?


What's Doom? Is it available for my Atari?
 
2013-09-23 06:46:52 PM  
Back in my day 2 Live Crew was the entertainment everyone was wringing their hands over.

I had some of their dubbed cassettes and Id have gotten smacked upside the head if my parents had listened to them

2 Live Crew...the original parental advisory.

Would not let my kid, if had one, play GTA V
 
2013-09-23 06:47:58 PM  
Yep.  Soon similar stuff with my eye eyes.  Once watched some mom  talking on the phone with one hand while digger for her debit card in the other to buy some 10 year old looking kid a copy of Mortal Kombat 9.  I doubt she ever ven looked at the game, Jr wanted it so that's what he got.

Imagine her surprised the first time she walked in on it.

My parents were rather strict about such things back int he day.  No MK, no bloody or overly violent games, had to use content filter in those violent games I actually had, etc.

And I thank her for it, honestly.  Caused me to look into more appropriate games that were just blood soaked gore fests, and that would later really effect my choice in games.
 
2013-09-23 06:49:58 PM  

phimuskapsi: I was that kid. I had no console until I was 18. But I got access to a PC at home at age 7 - Commander Keen ftw - so it wasn't all bad.


Hell yes, lots of Commander Keen for me too.  I was raised on consoles (Nintendo only) and computers simultaneously.  Hell, I was fortunate enough that my Dad's job required use of an IBM-PC, while Mom's meant she had an older Apple-IIe.  Made me the PC gamer I am today.

And I did get in through the same PC loophole a few times.  I remember my folks bought me this wonderful compilation called "Over 1000 Games" which was mostly demos, but with 1000+ of them it really didn't matter.  One of the games was a gem called "Vinyl Goddess from Mars"... you can imagine how carefully I made sure the door wasn't fully open when I played that.
 
2013-09-23 06:52:44 PM  

Dragonflew: RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.

So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".


You know who else said the "next generation is going to be insufferable"?

No, not him. The generation before yours. They thought you were going to grow up to be an insufferable douchebag because your parents didn't know the meaning of the word no.

I won't comment on whether they were right or wrong. Just know they thought it while you're busy adjusting that onion on your belt and complaining about the kids today.
 
2013-09-23 06:53:33 PM  

Mike_LowELL: you have pee hands: How's it look on your PC?

pc is for gay's man

i use my xbox to post on fark

i hope none of u are using pc

pc is for gay's man


I try not to think about it much.
It comes in flashes: blood spreading in water, teeth grinding on hard iron, blooms bursting and pollinating obscenely in the paltry Irish sunshine. Only a dream.
 
2013-09-23 06:54:12 PM  
In my day we played with cans nailed to sticks and then flattened out other cans and pushed them along and it was fun.
 
2013-09-23 07:05:01 PM  

ManateeGag: scottydoesntknow: Also, does anyone else have a love/hate relationship with Trevor? He's gotta be the most disgusting, despicable, irredeemable piece of shiat to ever grace a video game, and yet I can't stop laughing at everything he says or does.

I haven't met him yet, but from what I've seen, he's an absolute scumbag.

I've been having fun going on murderous rampages with Michael.  it's pretty easy to evade 3-star wanted levels if you find the right hole to tuck yourself into for a few minutes.


Just wait until you get to the part where Michael calls Trevor out for being a hipster.

"You are what hipsters aspire to be, you are a proto-hipster!"
 
2013-09-23 07:07:05 PM  

mongbiohazard: RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.

Pretty sure that's exactly the problem he was getting at - parents NOT parenting. Because buying age-inappropriate materials for your kid as an electronic pacifier is not parenting, doubly so when blithely ignoring warnings against doing so.


Ahh, so he's a judgmental prick who paints all parents with the same broad brush, eh?

And what's "age appropriate" is not for you or me to say. Just because YOUR precious little snowflake can't handle it, doesn't mean that that's true of all children.
 
2013-09-23 07:09:14 PM  

green_chile_cheeseburger: Oh, get the fark over it.

They got the game before you.  It's none of your business what those parents buy their kids.  Are you the parent in that situation?  Are you the kid in that situation?  Do you see anything more than parents buying their kid a video game?  Right.  You can stop using the internet now.


There comes a point where social responsibility needs to trump individualism for the good of the future generation. Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty, say it's a good thing for kids?

No offense, but folks have gone overboard with this "you don't know me! don't judge me!" non-sense just as much as they've gone overboard with "wont somebody think of the children". If someone is doing something irresponsible in public in a way that might produce a little sociopath, they deserve to be judged for it. This is how society has dealt with bad parents for years. Your right to complain about it, however, remains unchanged
 
2013-09-23 07:12:12 PM  
Got Vice City when I was 12. But GTA V in kids hands has me thinking "You parents suck at parenting."
 
2013-09-23 07:16:28 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Back in my day 2 Live Crew was the entertainment everyone was wringing their hands over.

I had some of their dubbed cassettes and Id have gotten smacked upside the head if my parents had listened to them

2 Live Crew...the original parental advisory.

Would not let my kid, if had one, play GTA V


Hey man!  Long time no see!  Again- thanks for the dub of the dub.  Still rockin it!

/welcome to the fark shop!
 
Ant
2013-09-23 07:22:09 PM  

ReapTheChaos: This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.


Yeah STFU, peasant. You're not paid enough to take an interest in the society in which you live. Leave that shiat to your betters!
 
2013-09-23 07:22:27 PM  

js34603: Dragonflew: RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.

So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".

You know who else said the "next generation is going to be insufferable"?

No, not him. The generation before yours. They thought you were going to grow up to be an insufferable douchebag because your parents didn't know the meaning of the word no.

I won't comment on whether they were right or wrong. Just know they thought it while you're busy adjusting that onion on your belt and complaining about the kids today.


The dude was comparing GTA V to playing with cap guns and watching Tom & Jerry when he should be comparing it to children play-acting slitting someone's throat, pulling out their teeth with pliers, stomping their teeth against the pavement, incest, cannibalism, etc. I'm very open-minded, and I'm not against kids being exposed to violence on TV and in games. But the fact remains, GTA V is a disturbing game. Anyone who allows their children to play it is a bad parent, I don't give a rat's ass how well the kid can tell pretend from real. If you can't understand that GTA V is not a game for children, you have either not played it (I have already put over 30 hours into it) or you don't care about your children.
 
2013-09-23 07:24:50 PM  

Krymson Tyde: ferretman: My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.

I have GTA IV. My 5 year old daughter loves driving and walking around town, but that's all she does.


My 10 year old daughter plays Need For Speed.
 
2013-09-23 07:25:05 PM  

mooseyfate: A friend of mine at work asked me if I thought it would be okay if his 8 year old son played GTAV. I told him "Look, I played GTA3 when I was something like 13 or 14, but for all it's violence, the game really wasn't THAT bad. GTAV should NOT be played by kids. It's really not appropriate for them. I would highly discourage letting your son play this." He asked why. I said "Last night I picked up a hooker, had sex with her, stabbed her in the neck, then set her corpse on fire. That sound like a kid's game to you?"


How is that different from GTA3?
 
2013-09-23 07:31:41 PM  
As if Gawker Media wasn't bad enough on its own, here's a  guest editorial on a Gawker Media site.
 
2013-09-23 07:36:01 PM  
(sigh)...My sister in Law buys her 13 year old kid games sight unseen. What he wants, he gets.
My 13 year old got a little upset with me when I told him no, but we talked about it and now he understands there's just games he isn't playing until he's old enough.
 
2013-09-23 07:43:09 PM  

czetie: What's Doom? Is it available for my Atari?


Yes.

www.flashbackgames.co.uk
 
2013-09-23 07:43:10 PM  

Dragonflew: RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.

So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".


We've already got that now.  They're the same snowflakes that think fast food is a career and they want double the minimum wage.  ME ME ME.
 
2013-09-23 07:43:24 PM  
Somaticasual:  If someone is doing something irresponsible in public in a way that might produce a little sociopath, they deserve to be judged for it.

I'm pretty sure this guy had GTAV back in  the day.
 
2013-09-23 07:52:19 PM  

Cyclonic Cooking Action: Somaticasual:  If someone is doing something irresponsible in public in a way that might produce a little sociopath, they deserve to be judged for it.

I'm pretty sure this guy had GTAV back in  the day.


"and even bare handed beatings, "just for the exercise".  - FTA

..what a nice guy. That almost makes GTA look amateurish..
 
2013-09-23 08:02:53 PM  
Dragonflew:

So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".

You know who else said the "next generation is going to be insufferable"?

No, not him. The generation before yours. They thought you were going to grow up to be an insufferable douchebag because your parents didn't know the meaning of the word no.

I won't comment on whether they were right or wrong. Just know they thought it while you're busy adjusting that onion on your belt and complaining about the kids today.

The dude was comparing GTA V to playing with cap guns and watching Tom & Jerry when he should be comparing it to children play-acting slitting someone's throat, pulling out their teeth with pliers, stomping their teeth against the pavement, incest, cannibalism, etc. I'm very open-minded, and I'm not against kids being exposed to violence on TV and in games. But the fact remains, GTA V is a disturbing game. Anyone who allows their children to play it is a bad parent, I don't give a rat's ass how well the kid can tell pretend from real. If you can't understand that GTA V is not a game for children, you have either not played it (I have already put over 30 hours into it) or you don't care about your children.


Well, thank you Mr. Arbiter.

Can you please now decide what is appropriate in all facets of life, for different age groups. We need your guidance.
 
2013-09-23 08:03:36 PM  
Im 32 and my parents let me watch any r rated movies i wanted. I was addicted to the friday the 13th and nightmare on elm street movies when i was 7. I Had Wolfenstein 3d and doom when they first came out when i was around 11 and played the first Gta when i was 14. According to the mediA i should have owned a bunch of guns and shot up some place by now. I can't figure out why my compulsion for murder never materialized. The media would never lie.
 
2013-09-23 08:03:59 PM  

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.

[img37.imageshack.us image 500x642]

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


Yes, this applies to your snowflakes too.
 
rpm
2013-09-23 08:06:07 PM  

Somaticasual: There comes a point where social responsibility needs to trump individualism for the good of the future generation. Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty, say it's a good thing for kids?


Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty say it's a bad thing for kids?
 
2013-09-23 08:08:17 PM  
I bought GTA V from Target. I was not carded for the beer I was also buying, but the kid running the register asked to see my id for the game. I laughed in his face and asked whatever for. He then explained that it was M for mature and they had to prove I was of age to buy it. I handed over the card and snorted that I was going to walk outside and hand it to a 9 year old outside .
 
2013-09-23 08:09:57 PM  

rpm: Somaticasual: There comes a point where social responsibility needs to trump individualism for the good of the future generation. Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty, say it's a good thing for kids?

Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty say it's a bad thing for kids?


The question was posed to you first- i've stated my opinion quite clearly. Or, is that a diversion because you know you're just spouting an unpopular opinion to get attention?
 
2013-09-23 08:17:01 PM  

Dragonflew: play-acting slitting someone's throat, pulling out their teeth with pliers, stomping their teeth against the pavement, incest, cannibalism, etc.


I know you threw an etc. there at the end, but I'm pretty sure Trevor has been having a "prison-style" romance with Wade's cousin...So I guess we can add insinuated forced sodomy to the list.
 
2013-09-23 08:21:29 PM  
Hey retail slave, mind your own farking business and just sell people the stuff they want to buy, asshole. Moralize to people who give a shiat. And you wonder why brick and mortars are being replaced by Amazon? It's because we don't give a shiat what you think. We just need you to operate the register.
 
2013-09-23 08:26:46 PM  

Cyclonic Cooking Action: I'm pretty sure this guy had GTAV back in  the day.


I resemble that sociopath...
 
2013-09-23 08:52:15 PM  

Tom_Slick: RKTeuthis: When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

I had the Lawman Cap Gun

[forum.guns.ru image 800x546]


Me too.  Today it would be a SWAT response.
 
2013-09-23 09:00:41 PM  

JolobinSmokin: In my day we played with cans nailed to sticks and then flattened out other cans and pushed them along and it was fun.


You had cans?


Lucky.
 
2013-09-23 09:14:34 PM  

kryptin420: Im 32 and my parents let me watch any r rated movies i wanted. I was addicted to the friday the 13th and nightmare on elm street movies when i was 7. I Had Wolfenstein 3d and doom when they first came out when i was around 11 and played the first Gta when i was 14. According to the mediA i should have owned a bunch of guns and shot up some place by now. I can't figure out why my compulsion for murder never materialized. The media would never lie.


Perhaps your parents should have taken away your console until after you had finished your English homework.
 
2013-09-23 09:21:20 PM  

Poot beer: JolobinSmokin: In my day we played with cans nailed to sticks and then flattened out other cans and pushed them along and it was fun.

You had cans?


Lucky.

Luxury!

 
2013-09-23 09:22:37 PM  
img9.imageshack.us
 
2013-09-23 09:35:35 PM  
FTFA: " if "all his friends" were to jump off a cliff...  "

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-09-23 09:42:49 PM  

HallsOfMandos: ferretman: My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.

Not only can you grope the strippers, you can also take them home if you grope them enough and get their like bar high enough (talk about a game not based on reality). After that, the stripper you took home will start sexting you.


Wait, they don't do that where you live?  They certainly do here, if by "grope" you mean "pay".
 
2013-09-23 09:44:10 PM  
I can't believe he quit his job in protest. That is crazy dedication.  I wish we had more activist retailers who complained publicly about selling things like naughty video games, condoms, booze, pork and plan b legally and quit their jobs when their boss said,"to sell it anyway, it pays your wage."
 
2013-09-23 09:50:48 PM  
We had this exact same argument in the 90s when Mortal Kombat came out.
 
2013-09-23 09:54:56 PM  

Carth: Shedim: We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.

Yea, that is illegal in the US since video games have first amendment protection. A store can decide not to sell to minors, or anyone else, but the state can't fine them if they do.


That's not even remotely true.
 
2013-09-23 10:01:01 PM  

brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.


I'm not what your objection to this is, frankly.  What, you think that single parents should go around getting into long-term relationships with people who hate their minor children?
 
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