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(Kotaku)   "Last week my store sold over a thousand copies of GTA V, at least a hundred of which were sold to parents for children who could barely even see over my counter." WTF is wrong with you parents??   (kotaku.com ) divider line
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2013-09-23 12:54:34 PM  
Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.
 
2013-09-23 12:58:52 PM  
Probably not giving the kid enough milk.
 
2013-09-23 01:15:30 PM  
or maybe the game was for the parents not the kids.
 
2013-09-23 01:16:47 PM  
Short people got no reason...
 
2013-09-23 01:32:31 PM  

sithon: or maybe the game was for the parents not the kids.


While that may be true for a couple, I'm more than willing to believe that the majority of those parents were buying it for their kids. Hell, I saw one when I went in to GameStop on Friday to get it. The parent obviously didn't want to be there and the kid was bouncing off the walls he was so excited about getting it. Salesperson reads off the warnings on the back and the mom gives the most unenthusiastic "Yea, whatever" before swiping her credit card.
 
2013-09-23 01:36:50 PM  
My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.
 
2013-09-23 01:54:35 PM  

brantgoose: The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.


ain't it the farking true.  and every little thing their child does is the most precious, greatest thing ever.
 
2013-09-23 02:12:26 PM  
Like any good, responsible parent, I don't play GTAV with my kids around.

Like any good, responsible GTA player, getting a blowjob and beating the hooker to death to get the money back was done almost immediately.
 
2013-09-23 02:30:20 PM  

Rev.K: Like any good, responsible parent, I don't play GTAV with my kids around.

Like any good, responsible GTA player, getting a blowjob and beating the hooker to death to get the money back was done almost immediately.


Picking up a 'hooker' is a little more interesting now...have you searched the internet for porn in GTA V?
 
2013-09-23 02:32:52 PM  

James!: Probably not giving the kid enough milk.


Nice
 
2013-09-23 02:34:51 PM  

ferretman: Picking up a 'hooker' is a little more interesting now...have you searched the internet for porn in GTA V?


I tried going to reddit.com/r/gonewild
 
2013-09-23 03:08:37 PM  

ferretman: Picking up a 'hooker' is a little more interesting now...have you searched the internet for porn in GTA V?


Well, looks like I got something to do after work!
 
2013-09-23 03:21:05 PM  
It probably wouldn't happen as much if there were a "Grand Theft Mariocart".
 
2013-09-23 03:45:42 PM  
Also, does anyone else have a love/hate relationship with Trevor? He's gotta be the most disgusting, despicable, irredeemable piece of shiat to ever grace a video game, and yet I can't stop laughing at everything he says or does.
 
2013-09-23 03:57:47 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Also, does anyone else have a love/hate relationship with Trevor? He's gotta be the most disgusting, despicable, irredeemable piece of shiat to ever grace a video game, and yet I can't stop laughing at everything he says or does.


I laughed when I ran into his toady, Wade, on a later mission and he was now wearing Juggalo face paint.
 
2013-09-23 04:00:14 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Also, does anyone else have a love/hate relationship with Trevor? He's gotta be the most disgusting, despicable, irredeemable piece of shiat to ever grace a video game, and yet I can't stop laughing at everything he says or does.


I haven't met him yet, but from what I've seen, he's an absolute scumbag.

I've been having fun going on murderous rampages with Michael.  it's pretty easy to evade 3-star wanted levels if you find the right hole to tuck yourself into for a few minutes.
 
2013-09-23 04:27:33 PM  

Rev.K: ferretman: Picking up a 'hooker' is a little more interesting now...have you searched the internet for porn in GTA V?

I tried going to reddit.com/r/gonewild


Did it work?
 
2013-09-23 04:59:41 PM  

Rev.K: Like any good, responsible parent, I don't play GTAV with my kids around.

Like any good, responsible GTA player, getting a blowjob and beating the hooker to death to get the money back was done almost immediately.


yep. This about covers it.
 
2013-09-23 05:29:26 PM  
Oh, get the fark over it.

They got the game before you.  It's none of your business what those parents buy their kids.  Are you the parent in that situation?  Are you the kid in that situation?  Do you see anything more than parents buying their kid a video game?  Right.  You can stop using the internet now.
 
2013-09-23 05:34:08 PM  

UberDave: It probably wouldn't happen as much if there were a "Grand Theft Mariocart".


It's called "Lego City Undercover".

No hookers, and you play a cop. You commandeer cars instead of stealing them.
 
2013-09-23 05:39:06 PM  
loll i went into this gamespot

clerk asked me if i was 18 and i said too him "u gona have 18 black eyes if u dnot give me grand theft auto 5 u frkkin bihtc"

he told me too take as many copy's as i want lol

u wish u had as many copy's of gta as me lol
 
2013-09-23 05:41:05 PM  

Mike_LowELL: loll i went into this gamespot

clerk asked me if i was 18 and i said too him "u gona have 18 black eyes if u dnot give me grand theft auto 5 u frkkin bihtc"

he told me too take as many copy's as i want lol

u wish u had as many copy's of gta as me lol


How's it look on your PC?
 
2013-09-23 05:41:11 PM  
Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.
 
2013-09-23 05:42:50 PM  
www.drugwar101.com
First world problems.
 
2013-09-23 05:43:22 PM  

ferretman: My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.


Not only can you grope the strippers, you can also take them home if you grope them enough and get their like bar high enough (talk about a game not based on reality). After that, the stripper you took home will start sexting you.
 
2013-09-23 05:45:52 PM  

RKTeuthis: When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.


I had the Lawman Cap Gun

forum.guns.ru
 
2013-09-23 05:45:56 PM  
"Lastly, when I try to describe the content and warnings of an M-rated game to you, please don't ignore me and nod while scrolling through your iPhone."

This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.
 
2013-09-23 05:46:06 PM  

RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.


... says the man "talking" to "people" on the "internet". This is just a notepad window, dumbass.
 
2013-09-23 05:47:42 PM  

brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.


img37.imageshack.us

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.
 
2013-09-23 05:51:42 PM  
Haven't played it, but did watch a video with the strippers on GT. Considering how uptight the ESRB is towards sex, I'm surprised they were able to get that through in an M rated game. Hell, some of the language used you don't even hear in R rated movies!

/clearly not watching the right R rated movies
 
2013-09-23 05:53:04 PM  

ReapTheChaos: "Lastly, when I try to describe the content and warnings of an M-rated game to you, please don't ignore me and nod while scrolling through your iPhone."

This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.


Actually, it sounds like someone who wants to protect his job.

We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.
 
2013-09-23 05:53:06 PM  

ReapTheChaos: "Lastly, when I try to describe the content and warnings of an M-rated game to you, please don't ignore me and nod while scrolling through your iPhone."

This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.


Really? Sounds like he's actually doing his job, unlike some minimum wage earners.
 
2013-09-23 05:54:16 PM  
Ah, the only thing more American than buying your kid something crazy is criticizing others for doing so as though you know what the flying fark you are talking about.
 
2013-09-23 05:57:03 PM  

roughridersfan: ReapTheChaos: "Lastly, when I try to describe the content and warnings of an M-rated game to you, please don't ignore me and nod while scrolling through your iPhone."

This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.

Really? Sounds like he's actually doing his job, unlike some minimum wage earners.


I don't require a minimum wage, less than high school educated clerk to give me advice of this nature.
 
2013-09-23 05:57:20 PM  
I was in Gamestop at the weekend with my eight year old and asked the teenagers behind the counter if they had anything with similar gameplay, chasing and shooting and so on, but without the "adult" themes. They looked at me like I was... completely normal, actually, and gave me some good suggestions.

/As an aside, given the way most of these games treat violence and drugs, and depict women as basically transporters for cleavage, they really should be rated I for Immature.
 
2013-09-23 05:58:26 PM  

RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.


So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".
 
2013-09-23 06:01:27 PM  

czetie: I was in Gamestop at the weekend with my eight year old and asked the teenagers behind the counter if they had anything with similar gameplay, chasing and shooting and so on, but without the "adult" themes. They looked at me like I was... completely normal, actually, and gave me some good suggestions.

/As an aside, given the way most of these games treat violence and drugs, and depict women as basically transporters for cleavage, they really should be rated I for Immature.


Like what? That might be fun...
 
2013-09-23 06:01:55 PM  
Big dog! Big nuts!
 
2013-09-23 06:02:57 PM  
Anyone comparing this to kids playing cops & robbers with cap guns and watching Tom & Jerry cartoons is out of touch on a level I have never seen before.
 
2013-09-23 06:05:06 PM  

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.

[img37.imageshack.us image 500x642]

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


As a parent and a grandparent...

Nope. They're right on the money.
 
2013-09-23 06:06:00 PM  
A friend of mine at work asked me if I thought it would be okay if his 8 year old son played GTAV. I told him "Look, I played GTA3 when I was something like 13 or 14, but for all it's violence, the game really wasn't THAT bad. GTAV should NOT be played by kids. It's really not appropriate for them. I would highly discourage letting your son play this." He asked why. I said "Last night I picked up a hooker, had sex with her, stabbed her in the neck, then set her corpse on fire. That sound like a kid's game to you?"
 
2013-09-23 06:06:14 PM  

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.

[img37.imageshack.us image 500x642]

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


pretty sure that was satire there, kiddo
 
2013-09-23 06:06:15 PM  

brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.


I teach in a school for kids who have behavior and emotional disorders, 98% of them live below the poverty line. The poverty line to which I am referring is $23,550/yr for a household of 4. These kids often don't have working utilities, enough food at home, and move from eviction to eviction. They cannot afford medication or clothing but guess how many of them had GTA V last week? Nearly all of them. Now many people could say "well they were just lying, they can't afford that" and I would agree but for some reason (showing off) when a kid gets a new video game they immediately bring it to school. It's not like we have consoles here. So I'd like to see a comparison of the per capita "silver spoon" kids vs. poor kids ownership once the buying frenzy dies down. Priorities are completely out of sorts for these "parents" of the poor kids.
 
2013-09-23 06:07:39 PM  

ferretman: My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.


I have GTA IV. My 5 year old daughter loves driving and walking around town, but that's all she does.
 
2013-09-23 06:10:17 PM  

Krymson Tyde: ferretman: My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.

I have GTA IV. My 5 year old daughter loves driving and walking around town, but that's all she does.


Yeah, when YOU'RE there. I was wondering why someone named "LilPrincess2007" was at the top of the leader board for most time with 6 stars.
 
2013-09-23 06:12:41 PM  
God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn
 
2013-09-23 06:14:08 PM  
As good as GTA V is I can't wait for the internet meltdown when the online portion is revealed to have microtransactions and other players are allowed to steal things you bought with real money. It will be hilarious to see people who aren't used to that kind of PVP experience it.
 
2013-09-23 06:16:46 PM  
You could, as a business, not sell it to them. That's a choice you can make. Like, imagine if they were trying to buy beer for the kid and you wouldn't sell it to them...do that. Or, don't complain about it.
 
2013-09-23 06:20:20 PM  

Shedim: We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.


Yea, that is illegal in the US since video games have first amendment protection. A store can decide not to sell to minors, or anyone else, but the state can't fine them if they do.
 
2013-09-23 06:21:27 PM  

Dragonflew: RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.

So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.


Wrong.  Maturity ratings are fine as guidelines. Parents get to decide how to use those ratings in making their decisions. As for comparing what disturbs adults to what disturbs kids, age isn't really a factor; some adults are disturbed by things that I've seen children shrug off.
Example: My niece (all of 3 or 4) told an adult not to worry about the zombies on the television as they were just people in makeup.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".

The world is already full of those "insufferable douchebags" and has been for a long time. Anyhow, what does permissive parents who spoil their children with EVERYTHING have to do with parents who choose to allow their kids to play violent games? I admit there's some overlap but it's not nearly 1:1.
 
2013-09-23 06:23:11 PM  

phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn


I will say this is at least a better reaction than the one that a lot of parents had in the 90s, along the lines of "[violent video game name here] is available on the Genesis, so NO GENESIS AT ALL EVER.  I don't care if you really only like Sonic, all Sega games are boycotted."

Almost my whole school went through that for a few years when I was a kid.  Then Mortal Kombat came out for the SNES and every parent was like "well... fark."

I'm hoping the current situation is just an overcorrection and things will balance out in a while.
 
2013-09-23 06:24:15 PM  

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.

[img37.imageshack.us image 500x642]

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


Someone sounds a little defensive. Hit a nerve, did he?
 
2013-09-23 06:25:44 PM  

you have pee hands: How's it look on your PC?


pc is for gay's man

i use my xbox to post on fark

i hope none of u are using pc

pc is for gay's man
 
2013-09-23 06:27:20 PM  
GTA V is by far the least child appropriate game in the series. Between the torture, the nipples and the cannibalism, I would not let my child (who is -5 months so my opinion is invalid) play this game, nor would I play it when they are around until they are mature enough.

That being said, no one but a parent can really decide what age a kid is ready to be exposed to something like this. I can youtube better strip scenes, like Ludacris' "Cashing Out" cover off the top of my head.
 
rpm
2013-09-23 06:35:17 PM  

phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn


I wasn't allowed to play Doom until grad school. Of course, it didn't come out until then.

You were saying something about a lawn?
 
2013-09-23 06:37:47 PM  

rpm: phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until grad school. Of course, it didn't come out until then.

You were saying something about a lawn?


Grandpa, get off my computer!!!
 
2013-09-23 06:37:54 PM  

RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.


Pretty sure that's exactly the problem he was getting at - parents NOT parenting. Because buying age-inappropriate materials for your kid as an electronic pacifier is not parenting, doubly so when blithely ignoring warnings against doing so.
 
2013-09-23 06:39:16 PM  

yukichigai: phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn

I will say this is at least a better reaction than the one that a lot of parents had in the 90s, along the lines of "[violent video game name here] is available on the Genesis, so NO GENESIS AT ALL EVER.  I don't care if you really only like Sonic, all Sega games are boycotted."

Almost my whole school went through that for a few years when I was a kid.  Then Mortal Kombat came out for the SNES and every parent was like "well... fark."

I'm hoping the current situation is just an overcorrection and things will balance out in a while.


I was that kid. I had no console until I was 18.  But I got access to a PC at home at age 7 - Commander Keen ftw - so it wasn't all bad.

While my parents restricted violent titles (my Dad had to play them first in most cases), mostly my parents just didn't want me playing too many videogames period. The reason being that when they were newly married they got an Atari. They literally became addicted to Space Invaders. Came home after work? Space Invaders, free time? Space Invaders. 

I will say that kids always find a way to get at 'restricted' content. I was able to play Blake Stone because when my Dad saw me playing it I was at a point where I was (conveniently) shooting security bots, not people.
 
2013-09-23 06:42:53 PM  

rpm: phimuskapsi: God I hate this, I hate it more than anything. The most common response when I ask if they know it's Mature "If I don't buy it he'll just play it somewhere else", or the cringiest "If I don't he/she won't be popular."

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until 13.


/ Fark, I guess that means I'm getting old.
// Get off my lawn

I wasn't allowed to play Doom until grad school. Of course, it didn't come out until then.

You were saying something about a lawn?


What's Doom? Is it available for my Atari?
 
2013-09-23 06:46:52 PM  
Back in my day 2 Live Crew was the entertainment everyone was wringing their hands over.

I had some of their dubbed cassettes and Id have gotten smacked upside the head if my parents had listened to them

2 Live Crew...the original parental advisory.

Would not let my kid, if had one, play GTA V
 
2013-09-23 06:47:58 PM  
Yep.  Soon similar stuff with my eye eyes.  Once watched some mom  talking on the phone with one hand while digger for her debit card in the other to buy some 10 year old looking kid a copy of Mortal Kombat 9.  I doubt she ever ven looked at the game, Jr wanted it so that's what he got.

Imagine her surprised the first time she walked in on it.

My parents were rather strict about such things back int he day.  No MK, no bloody or overly violent games, had to use content filter in those violent games I actually had, etc.

And I thank her for it, honestly.  Caused me to look into more appropriate games that were just blood soaked gore fests, and that would later really effect my choice in games.
 
2013-09-23 06:49:58 PM  

phimuskapsi: I was that kid. I had no console until I was 18. But I got access to a PC at home at age 7 - Commander Keen ftw - so it wasn't all bad.


Hell yes, lots of Commander Keen for me too.  I was raised on consoles (Nintendo only) and computers simultaneously.  Hell, I was fortunate enough that my Dad's job required use of an IBM-PC, while Mom's meant she had an older Apple-IIe.  Made me the PC gamer I am today.

And I did get in through the same PC loophole a few times.  I remember my folks bought me this wonderful compilation called "Over 1000 Games" which was mostly demos, but with 1000+ of them it really didn't matter.  One of the games was a gem called "Vinyl Goddess from Mars"... you can imagine how carefully I made sure the door wasn't fully open when I played that.
 
2013-09-23 06:52:44 PM  

Dragonflew: RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.

So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".


You know who else said the "next generation is going to be insufferable"?

No, not him. The generation before yours. They thought you were going to grow up to be an insufferable douchebag because your parents didn't know the meaning of the word no.

I won't comment on whether they were right or wrong. Just know they thought it while you're busy adjusting that onion on your belt and complaining about the kids today.
 
2013-09-23 06:53:33 PM  

Mike_LowELL: you have pee hands: How's it look on your PC?

pc is for gay's man

i use my xbox to post on fark

i hope none of u are using pc

pc is for gay's man


I try not to think about it much.
It comes in flashes: blood spreading in water, teeth grinding on hard iron, blooms bursting and pollinating obscenely in the paltry Irish sunshine. Only a dream.
 
2013-09-23 06:54:12 PM  
In my day we played with cans nailed to sticks and then flattened out other cans and pushed them along and it was fun.
 
2013-09-23 07:05:01 PM  

ManateeGag: scottydoesntknow: Also, does anyone else have a love/hate relationship with Trevor? He's gotta be the most disgusting, despicable, irredeemable piece of shiat to ever grace a video game, and yet I can't stop laughing at everything he says or does.

I haven't met him yet, but from what I've seen, he's an absolute scumbag.

I've been having fun going on murderous rampages with Michael.  it's pretty easy to evade 3-star wanted levels if you find the right hole to tuck yourself into for a few minutes.


Just wait until you get to the part where Michael calls Trevor out for being a hipster.

"You are what hipsters aspire to be, you are a proto-hipster!"
 
2013-09-23 07:07:05 PM  

mongbiohazard: RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.

Pretty sure that's exactly the problem he was getting at - parents NOT parenting. Because buying age-inappropriate materials for your kid as an electronic pacifier is not parenting, doubly so when blithely ignoring warnings against doing so.


Ahh, so he's a judgmental prick who paints all parents with the same broad brush, eh?

And what's "age appropriate" is not for you or me to say. Just because YOUR precious little snowflake can't handle it, doesn't mean that that's true of all children.
 
2013-09-23 07:09:14 PM  

green_chile_cheeseburger: Oh, get the fark over it.

They got the game before you.  It's none of your business what those parents buy their kids.  Are you the parent in that situation?  Are you the kid in that situation?  Do you see anything more than parents buying their kid a video game?  Right.  You can stop using the internet now.


There comes a point where social responsibility needs to trump individualism for the good of the future generation. Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty, say it's a good thing for kids?

No offense, but folks have gone overboard with this "you don't know me! don't judge me!" non-sense just as much as they've gone overboard with "wont somebody think of the children". If someone is doing something irresponsible in public in a way that might produce a little sociopath, they deserve to be judged for it. This is how society has dealt with bad parents for years. Your right to complain about it, however, remains unchanged
 
2013-09-23 07:12:12 PM  
Got Vice City when I was 12. But GTA V in kids hands has me thinking "You parents suck at parenting."
 
2013-09-23 07:16:28 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: Back in my day 2 Live Crew was the entertainment everyone was wringing their hands over.

I had some of their dubbed cassettes and Id have gotten smacked upside the head if my parents had listened to them

2 Live Crew...the original parental advisory.

Would not let my kid, if had one, play GTA V


Hey man!  Long time no see!  Again- thanks for the dub of the dub.  Still rockin it!

/welcome to the fark shop!
 
Ant
2013-09-23 07:22:09 PM  

ReapTheChaos: This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.


Yeah STFU, peasant. You're not paid enough to take an interest in the society in which you live. Leave that shiat to your betters!
 
2013-09-23 07:22:27 PM  

js34603: Dragonflew: RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.

So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".

You know who else said the "next generation is going to be insufferable"?

No, not him. The generation before yours. They thought you were going to grow up to be an insufferable douchebag because your parents didn't know the meaning of the word no.

I won't comment on whether they were right or wrong. Just know they thought it while you're busy adjusting that onion on your belt and complaining about the kids today.


The dude was comparing GTA V to playing with cap guns and watching Tom & Jerry when he should be comparing it to children play-acting slitting someone's throat, pulling out their teeth with pliers, stomping their teeth against the pavement, incest, cannibalism, etc. I'm very open-minded, and I'm not against kids being exposed to violence on TV and in games. But the fact remains, GTA V is a disturbing game. Anyone who allows their children to play it is a bad parent, I don't give a rat's ass how well the kid can tell pretend from real. If you can't understand that GTA V is not a game for children, you have either not played it (I have already put over 30 hours into it) or you don't care about your children.
 
2013-09-23 07:24:50 PM  

Krymson Tyde: ferretman: My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.

I have GTA IV. My 5 year old daughter loves driving and walking around town, but that's all she does.


My 10 year old daughter plays Need For Speed.
 
2013-09-23 07:25:05 PM  

mooseyfate: A friend of mine at work asked me if I thought it would be okay if his 8 year old son played GTAV. I told him "Look, I played GTA3 when I was something like 13 or 14, but for all it's violence, the game really wasn't THAT bad. GTAV should NOT be played by kids. It's really not appropriate for them. I would highly discourage letting your son play this." He asked why. I said "Last night I picked up a hooker, had sex with her, stabbed her in the neck, then set her corpse on fire. That sound like a kid's game to you?"


How is that different from GTA3?
 
2013-09-23 07:31:41 PM  
As if Gawker Media wasn't bad enough on its own, here's a  guest editorial on a Gawker Media site.
 
2013-09-23 07:36:01 PM  
(sigh)...My sister in Law buys her 13 year old kid games sight unseen. What he wants, he gets.
My 13 year old got a little upset with me when I told him no, but we talked about it and now he understands there's just games he isn't playing until he's old enough.
 
2013-09-23 07:43:09 PM  

czetie: What's Doom? Is it available for my Atari?


Yes.

www.flashbackgames.co.uk
 
2013-09-23 07:43:10 PM  

Dragonflew: RKTeuthis: Yeah?

WHO GIVES A FARK.

When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

We also watched the most violent insane cartoons called Looney Tunes and Tom and Jerry (among others).

And we knew the difference between reality and pretend.

Because parents parented.

GET THE FARK OVER YOURSELF.

So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".


We've already got that now.  They're the same snowflakes that think fast food is a career and they want double the minimum wage.  ME ME ME.
 
2013-09-23 07:43:24 PM  
Somaticasual:  If someone is doing something irresponsible in public in a way that might produce a little sociopath, they deserve to be judged for it.

I'm pretty sure this guy had GTAV back in  the day.
 
2013-09-23 07:52:19 PM  

Cyclonic Cooking Action: Somaticasual:  If someone is doing something irresponsible in public in a way that might produce a little sociopath, they deserve to be judged for it.

I'm pretty sure this guy had GTAV back in  the day.

"and even bare handed beatings, "just for the exercise".  - FTA


..what a nice guy. That almost makes GTA look amateurish..
 
2013-09-23 08:02:53 PM  
Dragonflew:

So I guess you're against any sort of maturity ratings on anything then, right? Because some of the torture scenes are emotionally disturbing even for some adults, regardless of how "pretend" it is.

The next generation is going to be full of insufferable douchebags because they were given everything they wanted by their pushover parents who don't know the meaning of the word "no".

You know who else said the "next generation is going to be insufferable"?

No, not him. The generation before yours. They thought you were going to grow up to be an insufferable douchebag because your parents didn't know the meaning of the word no.

I won't comment on whether they were right or wrong. Just know they thought it while you're busy adjusting that onion on your belt and complaining about the kids today.

The dude was comparing GTA V to playing with cap guns and watching Tom & Jerry when he should be comparing it to children play-acting slitting someone's throat, pulling out their teeth with pliers, stomping their teeth against the pavement, incest, cannibalism, etc. I'm very open-minded, and I'm not against kids being exposed to violence on TV and in games. But the fact remains, GTA V is a disturbing game. Anyone who allows their children to play it is a bad parent, I don't give a rat's ass how well the kid can tell pretend from real. If you can't understand that GTA V is not a game for children, you have either not played it (I have already put over 30 hours into it) or you don't care about your children.


Well, thank you Mr. Arbiter.

Can you please now decide what is appropriate in all facets of life, for different age groups. We need your guidance.
 
2013-09-23 08:03:36 PM  
Im 32 and my parents let me watch any r rated movies i wanted. I was addicted to the friday the 13th and nightmare on elm street movies when i was 7. I Had Wolfenstein 3d and doom when they first came out when i was around 11 and played the first Gta when i was 14. According to the mediA i should have owned a bunch of guns and shot up some place by now. I can't figure out why my compulsion for murder never materialized. The media would never lie.
 
2013-09-23 08:03:59 PM  

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.

[img37.imageshack.us image 500x642]

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


Yes, this applies to your snowflakes too.
 
rpm
2013-09-23 08:06:07 PM  

Somaticasual: There comes a point where social responsibility needs to trump individualism for the good of the future generation. Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty, say it's a good thing for kids?


Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty say it's a bad thing for kids?
 
2013-09-23 08:08:17 PM  
I bought GTA V from Target. I was not carded for the beer I was also buying, but the kid running the register asked to see my id for the game. I laughed in his face and asked whatever for. He then explained that it was M for mature and they had to prove I was of age to buy it. I handed over the card and snorted that I was going to walk outside and hand it to a 9 year old outside .
 
2013-09-23 08:09:57 PM  

rpm: Somaticasual: There comes a point where social responsibility needs to trump individualism for the good of the future generation. Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty, say it's a good thing for kids?

Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty say it's a bad thing for kids?


The question was posed to you first- i've stated my opinion quite clearly. Or, is that a diversion because you know you're just spouting an unpopular opinion to get attention?
 
2013-09-23 08:17:01 PM  

Dragonflew: play-acting slitting someone's throat, pulling out their teeth with pliers, stomping their teeth against the pavement, incest, cannibalism, etc.


I know you threw an etc. there at the end, but I'm pretty sure Trevor has been having a "prison-style" romance with Wade's cousin...So I guess we can add insinuated forced sodomy to the list.
 
2013-09-23 08:21:29 PM  
Hey retail slave, mind your own farking business and just sell people the stuff they want to buy, asshole. Moralize to people who give a shiat. And you wonder why brick and mortars are being replaced by Amazon? It's because we don't give a shiat what you think. We just need you to operate the register.
 
2013-09-23 08:26:46 PM  

Cyclonic Cooking Action: I'm pretty sure this guy had GTAV back in  the day.


I resemble that sociopath...
 
2013-09-23 08:52:15 PM  

Tom_Slick: RKTeuthis: When I was a little kid we played cops and robbers with realistic looking six shooters.

I had the Lawman Cap Gun

[forum.guns.ru image 800x546]


Me too.  Today it would be a SWAT response.
 
2013-09-23 09:00:41 PM  

JolobinSmokin: In my day we played with cans nailed to sticks and then flattened out other cans and pushed them along and it was fun.


You had cans?


Lucky.
 
2013-09-23 09:14:34 PM  

kryptin420: Im 32 and my parents let me watch any r rated movies i wanted. I was addicted to the friday the 13th and nightmare on elm street movies when i was 7. I Had Wolfenstein 3d and doom when they first came out when i was around 11 and played the first Gta when i was 14. According to the mediA i should have owned a bunch of guns and shot up some place by now. I can't figure out why my compulsion for murder never materialized. The media would never lie.


Perhaps your parents should have taken away your console until after you had finished your English homework.
 
2013-09-23 09:21:20 PM  

Poot beer: JolobinSmokin: In my day we played with cans nailed to sticks and then flattened out other cans and pushed them along and it was fun.

You had cans?


Lucky.

Luxury!

 
2013-09-23 09:22:37 PM  
img9.imageshack.us
 
2013-09-23 09:35:35 PM  
FTFA: " if "all his friends" were to jump off a cliff...  "

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-09-23 09:42:49 PM  

HallsOfMandos: ferretman: My nephew told me his friends have the game...he's only 12. GTA V is definitely not a children's game...from language, drug use, hooker experience and titty bar groping..and parent that lets their child play this should get smacked up-side the head.

Not only can you grope the strippers, you can also take them home if you grope them enough and get their like bar high enough (talk about a game not based on reality). After that, the stripper you took home will start sexting you.


Wait, they don't do that where you live?  They certainly do here, if by "grope" you mean "pay".
 
2013-09-23 09:44:10 PM  
I can't believe he quit his job in protest. That is crazy dedication.  I wish we had more activist retailers who complained publicly about selling things like naughty video games, condoms, booze, pork and plan b legally and quit their jobs when their boss said,"to sell it anyway, it pays your wage."
 
2013-09-23 09:50:48 PM  
We had this exact same argument in the 90s when Mortal Kombat came out.
 
2013-09-23 09:54:56 PM  

Carth: Shedim: We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.

Yea, that is illegal in the US since video games have first amendment protection. A store can decide not to sell to minors, or anyone else, but the state can't fine them if they do.


That's not even remotely true.
 
2013-09-23 10:01:01 PM  

brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.


I'm not what your objection to this is, frankly.  What, you think that single parents should go around getting into long-term relationships with people who hate their minor children?
 
2013-09-23 10:03:00 PM  

meanmutton: Carth: Shedim: We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.

Yea, that is illegal in the US since video games have first amendment protection. A store can decide not to sell to minors, or anyone else, but the state can't fine them if they do.

That's not even remotely true.


It is according to Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association. SCOTUS struck down a California law that tried to ban stores from selling M rated games to children without parental approval and would fine stores if they did.
 
2013-09-23 10:04:44 PM  

meanmutton: Carth: Shedim: We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.

Yea, that is illegal in the US since video games have first amendment protection. A store can decide not to sell to minors, or anyone else, but the state can't fine them if they do.

That's not even remotely true.


Yeah I was going to say it's illegal to sell pornography to children. Hell their was a case about six years ago where a comic book shop owner sold an adult age undercover cop a comic, that contained adult themes and nudity; he was ticketed and fined for distribution of pornography to a minor. I remember reading it on the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund newsletter.

I doubt video games have any more legal leeway then comic books. And from what I know of the GTA series and what I've heard of 5 (still haven't played it). I know there got to be enough nudity and themes to qualify it as pornography.

Which means if kids are taking their copies of the game to school, the school would probably be in it's rights to confiscate it as pornography.
 
2013-09-23 10:08:31 PM  

tjsands1118: meanmutton: Carth: Shedim: We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.

Yea, that is illegal in the US since video games have first amendment protection. A store can decide not to sell to minors, or anyone else, but the state can't fine them if they do.

That's not even remotely true.

Yeah I was going to say it's illegal to sell pornography to children. Hell their was a case about six years ago where a comic book shop owner sold an adult age undercover cop a comic, that contained adult themes and nudity; he was ticketed and fined for distribution of pornography to a minor. I remember reading it on the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund newsletter.

I doubt video games have any more legal leeway then comic books. And from what I know of the GTA series and what I've heard of 5 (still haven't played it). I know there got to be enough nudity and themes to qualify it as pornography.

Which means if kids are taking their copies of the game to school, the school would probably be in it's rights to confiscate it as pornography.


Here is the wiki page to the SCOTUS case.
 
rpm
2013-09-23 10:38:32 PM  

Somaticasual: rpm: Somaticasual: There comes a point where social responsibility needs to trump individualism for the good of the future generation. Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty, say it's a good thing for kids?

Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty say it's a bad thing for kids?

The question was posed to you first- i've stated my opinion quite clearly. Or, is that a diversion because you know you're just spouting an unpopular opinion to get attention?


If you can't support your premise, it has no reason to be in law.

Or do you support regulation of everything that can cause aggression in children?
 
2013-09-23 10:42:58 PM  

Carth: meanmutton: Carth: Shedim: We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.

Yea, that is illegal in the US since video games have first amendment protection. A store can decide not to sell to minors, or anyone else, but the state can't fine them if they do.

That's not even remotely true.

It is according to Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association. SCOTUS struck down a California law that tried to ban stores from selling M rated games to children without parental approval and would fine stores if they did.


That's not what that case said.   Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association simply holds that video games are protected speech like movies or magazines but it also mentions that Ginsberg v. New York applies to video games.  What it says is that you absolutely can restrict video games sold to minors but you can't have the broad ban that the State of California insisted on that included a ban on material that was neither obscene nor harmful.

You absolutely can prohibit the sale of, say, nudity or depictions of sex.  You just can't prohibit depictions of violence.
 
2013-09-23 10:57:31 PM  
I never understood why stores have these age policies at all.

It is illegal to sell cigs/beer to minors so carding people make sense.

It is not against the law to sell video games to minors so why would these stores bother denying sales to people with money.
 
2013-09-23 11:01:37 PM  

Fano: I bought GTA V from Target. I was not carded for the beer I was also buying, but the kid running the register asked to see my id for the game. I laughed in his face and asked whatever for. He then explained that it was M for mature and they had to prove I was of age to buy it. I handed over the card and snorted that I was going to walk outside and hand it to a 9 year old outside .


Wow, you sound really cool.
 
2013-09-23 11:02:34 PM  

Warlordtrooper: I never understood why stores have these age policies at all.

It is illegal to sell cigs/beer to minors so carding people make sense.

It is not against the law to sell video games to minors so why would these stores bother denying sales to people with money.


because the only reason its not illegal is because the industry has voluntarily agreed not to sell games to minors. if they started selling them, there is little doubt that they would get legislated and they would prefer to avoid that.
 
2013-09-23 11:17:46 PM  
reneau.smugmug.com
 
2013-09-23 11:21:23 PM  

meanmutton: FTFA: " if "all his friends" were to jump off a cliff...  "

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x238]
img.fark.net


Yeah... this would be another reason I hate XKCD.
 
2013-09-23 11:21:55 PM  

rpm: Somaticasual: rpm: Somaticasual: There comes a point where social responsibility needs to trump individualism for the good of the future generation. Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty, say it's a good thing for kids?

Can you, in 100% intellectual honesty say it's a bad thing for kids?

The question was posed to you first- i've stated my opinion quite clearly. Or, is that a diversion because you know you're just spouting an unpopular opinion to get attention?

If you can't support your premise, it has no reason to be in law.

Or do you support regulation of everything that can cause aggression in children?


You still haven't answered my question, rpm.
Again - and with no mincing words, CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?

If you can't, you need to reconsider your position. And considering how much effort you're putting into your evasive responses, you're not coming off as someone that actually believes what they're saying honestly. My positions:

a) Kids are impressionable.

b) Yes, there quite a few things that should be regulated so that children don't have access to them.

c) psychologically, we're barely into adulthood when we turn 18. Most 18 year olds have way more bravado and hormones than actual life experience (with a few hard knocks exceptions).

d) This isn't doom or wolfenstein. It's easy to draw the line between reality when you're fighting a) on another planet, or b) an organization that essentially doesn't exist anymore. They were flat-sprite
games. it's a lot harder when it's a contemporary world, in a relatively "real" place, with numerous pathways for doing terrible things.

e) I use this non-sarcastically, but X-Box live. Tell me the video game isn't having an impact on aggression in teenagers after listening to that crap for more than a few minutes. you'll hear things kids would never even dream of saying to someone in real life, and it's not just the anonymity factor.

f) finally, even if you think something like street fighter is appropriate for kids (which the vast majority of the parents at the time didn't , along with mortal kombat) - GTA V is not. It has a lot more of what anyone not lying to themselves would call bad influences. It's just not appropriate at an age level where you can't see R movies either.

g) if the kid ISN'T going to be physically or psychologically harmed by withholding the video game, and there's any chance of that video game harming the child if played, then you side with risk management and deprive the kid of the game.

I get that you want more freedom and personal responsibility, but a lot of laws are there to mitigate very real downsides to things - video games included. And if the kid isn't goi
 
2013-09-23 11:26:45 PM  
reneau.smugmug.com
 
2013-09-23 11:38:56 PM  
Look, retail jockey, just sell the damn game and keep your opinions to yourself. Christ, everyone just has to nudge their way into everyone else's business these days. Are we so comfortable that we don't have to worry about ourselves anymore? Do people just go out looking for something to outrage about this month?
 
2013-09-23 11:40:05 PM  
Once again, this time with *feeling*...

reneau.smugmug.com
 
2013-09-23 11:46:46 PM  

quantum_jellyroll: reneau.smugmug.com


I wonder how you would explain to this kid that he is now a "meme" on the "internet".
 
2013-09-23 11:51:14 PM  

James!: Probably not giving the kid enough milk.


A nice glass of milk is the perfect beverage before going out for a night of the "old ultra-violence" with the lads.

theeradicatorreviews.com
 
2013-09-23 11:56:28 PM  

Mike_LowELL: I wonder how you would explain to this kid that he is now a "meme" on the "internet".


From a good distance..
 
2013-09-24 12:01:55 AM  

Mad-Hamlet: brantgoose: Of course, half of them also received handguns as baby shower presents along with silver spoon sets and piggy banks.

The First Law of American Parenting: What Baby wants, Baby gets.
The Second Law: Love me, love my child.
The Third Law: Everyone must find my child as fascinating as I do.

Rule Zero: You don't have a god damn clue what you're talking about.


It certainly fits the parents I know.
 
2013-09-24 12:03:21 AM  
Somaticasual: ...Again - and with no mincing words, CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?

If you can't, you need to reconsider your position. And considering how much effort you're putting into your evasive responses, you're not coming off as someone that actually believes what they're saying honestly. My positions...


You know, blanket positions like this are part of the problem.

I was six when  Predator came out, and my dad took me to the theater to see it because I thought  Aliens was the god damn greatest work of art ever made, or would ever be made, by man.  It was god damn awesome. And, the entire time other adults and various folks who worked at the theater was giving my dad the shiat-eye for taking a six-year-old kid to see an R-rated movie that was already known for its scariness and gore.

They didn't know me. My dad knew me, and understood that for my development level at that age I was totally capable of handling and enjoying the shiat out of that movie. I knew the difference between reality and fantasy, and what things I saw on TV were okay to emulate and which ones weren't. That's what we call "parenting".

Now, when someone is obviously a shiatty parent, such as neglectfully buying a kid a super-graphic and super-violent video game without idea one about their kid's ability to process that medium or the potential ramifications, it just might be a good idea to say something (even if that will prove ineffectual). But, that's obviously not a problem with either the video game or the kid -- responsibility for that lands squarely on the head of the parent. Beyond that, a third party does not necessarily know that kid, their development level, or their ability to handle that kind of media.

Full disclosure, I can't imagine a kid that would really be able to handle the crap in GTAV I've seen (haven't played it personally, yet), at six or seven I wouldn't have but at thirteen or fourteen definitely, but knowing how ahead of the curve I was at that age I'm not going to make a blanket statement one way or the other. Telling other parents what media is good or bad for  their kids is no bueno, but telling parents to get to know their own kids and decide for them what media is best is.
 
2013-09-24 12:18:55 AM  

that bosnian sniper: Somaticasual: ...Again - and with no mincing words, CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?

If you can't, you need to reconsider your position. And considering how much effort you're putting into your evasive responses, you're not coming off as someone that actually believes what they're saying honestly. My positions...

You know, blanket positions like this are part of the problem.

I was six when  Predator came out, and my dad took me to the theater to see it because I thought  Aliens was the god damn greatest work of art ever made, or would ever be made, by man.  It was god damn awesome. And, the entire time other adults and various folks who worked at the theater was giving my dad the shiat-eye for taking a six-year-old kid to see an R-rated movie that was already known for its scariness and gore.

They didn't know me. My dad knew me, and understood that for my development level at that age I was totally capable of handling and enjoying the shiat out of that movie. I knew the difference between reality and fantasy, and what things I saw on TV were okay to emulate and which ones weren't. That's what we call "parenting".

Now, when someone is obviously a shiatty parent, such as neglectfully buying a kid a super-graphic and super-violent video game without idea one about their kid's ability to process that medium or the potential ramifications, it just might be a good idea to say something (even if that will prove ineffectual). But, that's obviously not a problem with either the video game or the kid -- responsibility for that lands squarely on the head of the parent. Beyond that, a third party does not necessarily know that kid, their development level, or their ability to handle that kind of media.

Full disclosure, I can't imagine a kid that would really be able to handle the crap in GTAV I've seen (haven't played it personally, yet), at six or seven I wouldn't have but at thirteen or fourteen definitely, but ...


Don't get me wrong - as a kid, i would have wanted to play it.
But the problem with the blanket thing is that the laws and regulations aren't written with the kids that can handle it in mind - they're written for the small fraction that's going to go out and do something stupid while imitating it.  I'm advocating a mixture of simply shaming the parents, and trying to prevent kids from getting it themselves at the very least - which is pretty much the current approach. I just don't agree with rpm's opinion that there shouldn't be any restrictions whatsoever.
 
2013-09-24 12:28:38 AM  

Electrify: Fano: I bought GTA V from Target. I was not carded for the beer I was also buying, but the kid running the register asked to see my id for the game. I laughed in his face and asked whatever for. He then explained that it was M for mature and they had to prove I was of age to buy it. I handed over the card and snorted that I was going to walk outside and hand it to a 9 year old outside .

Wow, you sound really cool.


Eh, in your late 30s getting your time wasted by pimply teens who also give a super serial lecture isn't cool. Especially since, as I mentioned, he didn't card me for alcohol. I'm sure the ABC would be interested to know that.

When was the last time you were carded buying an "R" rated movie ticket?
 
2013-09-24 12:30:51 AM  
should've bought them saints row 4
 
2013-09-24 12:54:41 AM  
Somaticasual: ...But the problem with the blanket thing is that the laws and regulations aren't written with the kids that can handle it in mind - they're written for the small fraction that's going to go out and do something stupid while imitating it...

The problem with this, is the problem  doesn't lie with the kids. They're kids, they're going to want grown-up and edgy stuff, for whatever reason kids are so wont to do, without necessarily understanding they may not be able to handle it. Responsibility for moderating what media kids are exposed to ultimately lies with the parents, and so do the repercussions for exposing kids to media they can't handle for their development level -- the kids are blameless in this.

Which means, ultimately, regulations and laws thus are really about shielding kids from shiatty parenting. That's a more endemic societal problem no one is going to fix by restricting games, no matter how good a scapegoat it may be.
 
2013-09-24 12:59:50 AM  

Somaticasual: Mike_LowELL: I wonder how you would explain to this kid that he is now a "meme" on the "internet".

From a good distance..


...and behind some large boulders.
 
2013-09-24 02:07:08 AM  

Mike_LowELL: quantum_jellyroll: reneau.smugmug.com

I wonder how you would explain to this kid that he is now a "meme" on the "internet".


Either he's already dead, or he'd kill and rob you before you could ask.
 
2013-09-24 04:02:50 AM  

that bosnian sniper: Somaticasual: ...But the problem with the blanket thing is that the laws and regulations aren't written with the kids that can handle it in mind - they're written for the small fraction that's going to go out and do something stupid while imitating it...

The problem with this, is the problem  doesn't lie with the kids. They're kids, they're going to want grown-up and edgy stuff, for whatever reason kids are so wont to do, without necessarily understanding they may not be able to handle it. Responsibility for moderating what media kids are exposed to ultimately lies with the parents, and so do the repercussions for exposing kids to media they can't handle for their development level -- the kids are blameless in this.

Which means, ultimately, regulations and laws thus are really about shielding kids from shiatty parenting. That's a more endemic societal problem no one is going to fix by restricting games, no matter how good a scapegoat it may be.


By that logic, though, kids are blameless for tobacco use. BUT, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything in our power to keep kids away from cigarettes either.

Until there's a better way to really address the issue (and make all kids perfect), then they still shouldn't play games like GTA V. It's not a scapegoat for anything, it's just an effort to keep the game out of their hands. There is no greater freedom grab involved
 
2013-09-24 05:34:33 AM  

scottydoesntknow: Also, does anyone else have a love/hate relationship with Trevor? He's gotta be the most disgusting, despicable, irredeemable piece of shiat to ever grace a video game, and yet I can't stop laughing at everything he says or does.


I actually have a theory that each character represents the Id, Ego, and Super-Ego.

Trevor: ID, pure animalistic urges
Micheal: SuperEgo, trying to be the moral center of his household, but fails
Franklin: The Ego, just trying to survive and make money
 
2013-09-24 06:41:53 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: Back in my day 2 Live Crew was the entertainment everyone was wringing their hands over.

I had some of their dubbed cassettes and Id have gotten smacked upside the head if my parents had listened to them

2 Live Crew...the original parental advisory.

Would not let my kid, if had one, play GTA V


Still got the 12 inch of that song somewhere :)
 
2013-09-24 08:11:28 AM  

meanmutton: Carth: meanmutton: Carth: Shedim: We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.

Yea, that is illegal in the US since video games have first amendment protection. A store can decide not to sell to minors, or anyone else, but the state can't fine them if they do.

That's not even remotely true.

It is according to Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association. SCOTUS struck down a California law that tried to ban stores from selling M rated games to children without parental approval and would fine stores if they did.

That's not what that case said.   Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association simply holds that video games are protected speech like movies or magazines but it also mentions that Ginsberg v. New York applies to video games.  What it says is that you absolutely can restrict video games sold to minors but you can't have the broad ban that the State of California insisted on that included a ban on material that was neither obscene nor harmful.

You absolutely can prohibit the sale of, say, nudity or depictions of sex.  You just can't prohibit depictions of violence.


My original point, that you disagreed with, was that it is currently illegal in all 50 states for the government to fine a store for selling video games to children (specifically games like GTA:V which are M rated. That is still true.

Ginsberg v. New York bans the sale of obscene materials  (of all mediums) which video games don't rise to the level of. The only games that could be considered obscene would require extreme sexual content  and be AO rated which aren't sold in retail stores, aren't able to run on xbox, playstation, or wiiU and still don't have laws in place banning their sale to minors. Since obscene games aren't sold in stores you won't see laws fining stores for selling them.
 
2013-09-24 08:15:48 AM  

Somaticasual: CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?


Can you say with 100% intellectual honesty that water is perfectly safe for children? BAN CHILDREN FROM BUYING WATER!!!!11111lol
 
2013-09-24 08:16:50 AM  

Mike_LowELL: quantum_jellyroll: reneau.smugmug.com

I wonder how you would explain to this kid that he is now a "meme" on the "internet".


I'd recommend via email or telephone.
 
2013-09-24 08:22:22 AM  

Fano: Electrify: Fano: I bought GTA V from Target. I was not carded for the beer I was also buying, but the kid running the register asked to see my id for the game. I laughed in his face and asked whatever for. He then explained that it was M for mature and they had to prove I was of age to buy it. I handed over the card and snorted that I was going to walk outside and hand it to a 9 year old outside .

Wow, you sound really cool.

Eh, in your late 30s getting your time wasted by pimply teens who also give a super serial lecture isn't cool. Especially since, as I mentioned, he didn't card me for alcohol. I'm sure the ABC would be interested to know that.

When was the last time you were carded buying an "R" rated movie ticket?


The kid has probably been told by his boss to card everyone who wants to buy it, young or old. I'll admit it is odd to not want the ID for the beer, but in the unlikely chance you are under 21 he probably wouldn't sell you the beer either.

Late 20s, and while I don't usually get carded for movies, I still regularly get asked for ID when buying alcohol. Takes me two seconds to do, and I don't make a big deal out of it. Since you are approaching midlife crisis territory, you should take being carded as a compliment.
 
2013-09-24 08:41:30 AM  

Electrify: Late 20s, and while I don't usually get carded for movies, I still regularly get asked for ID when buying alcohol. Takes me two seconds to do, and I don't make a big deal out of it. Since you are approaching midlife crisis territory, you should take being carded as a compliment.


Approaching 50 at a terrifying rate, and look it, and I routinely get carded at Target for alcohol. I believe it's their policy -- at least at my local store -- to card absolutely everybody simply to avoid issues or blown judgement calls. It's not like I'm giving up any personal information they don't already have from the fact that I paid with my store credit card.

Also bear in mind that to the "pimply teen" that Fano so condescendingly dismissed from the glorious heights of his late 30s "maturity", everybody over the age of about 20 looks old. The fact that he's working behind the till at Target for a few dollars an hour is also the reason you can afford to buy GTA V.

Bottom line, if I had to choose between a lecture from a teen who is working hard for a few bucks and putting up with pricks who "snort" at him for doing his job versus one from an overgrown bro who still plays video games going on 40, I know whose advice I'd value more.
 
rpm
2013-09-24 09:00:33 AM  

Somaticasual: You still haven't answered my question, rpm.
Again - and with no mincing words, CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?


No. Can you say with 100% intellectual honesty it's significant issues among significant numbers?

Bad parenting is far more impactful than video games. Do you support regulation of child bearing? If not, why not?

Religion has obviously done more damage to children than just about anything else. Do you support its regulation? If not, why not?

CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT ANYTHING IS PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?
 
2013-09-24 09:33:36 AM  
I know better than to get GTA5 for my 11 year old, but we're still Bad Parents - he's been playing Halo, Skyrim, and Call of Duty for the last two years.

At least when he shoots up a school in five years he'll be well-trained....
 
2013-09-24 10:56:54 AM  

czetie: Electrify: Late 20s, and while I don't usually get carded for movies, I still regularly get asked for ID when buying alcohol. Takes me two seconds to do, and I don't make a big deal out of it. Since you are approaching midlife crisis territory, you should take being carded as a compliment.

Approaching 50 at a terrifying rate, and look it, and I routinely get carded at Target for alcohol. I believe it's their policy -- at least at my local store -- to card absolutely everybody simply to avoid issues or blown judgement calls. It's not like I'm giving up any personal information they don't already have from the fact that I paid with my store credit card.

Also bear in mind that to the "pimply teen" that Fano so condescendingly dismissed from the glorious heights of his late 30s "maturity", everybody over the age of about 20 looks old. The fact that he's working behind the till at Target for a few dollars an hour is also the reason you can afford to buy GTA V.

Bottom line, if I had to choose between a lecture from a teen who is working hard for a few bucks and putting up with pricks who "snort" at him for doing his job versus one from an overgrown bro who still plays video games going on 40, I know whose advice I'd value more.


So you are agreeing that he would easily know that I'm older than 18? Look, I get that he was doing his job, but he bypassed the alcohol check by entering in a phony date and then asked me for ID for an 18+ product. I don't mind routine carding for beer and tobacco, but in this case it seemed about as stupid as being carded for any R-rated DVDs I might have purchased also.

And for as long as we've both been on Fark, you don't seem to know me at all.
 
2013-09-24 11:00:53 AM  
FTA: "Was it your son that came in with a giant jar filled with change to buy Minecraft? He was a couple dollars shy, but don't worry, I covered it. His look of excitement as he ran out of the store was more than enough to cover the shortfall. "

Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.

This article is sad bullshiat from someone that thinks his job is something more than taking money from people that hand it to him.
 
2013-09-24 11:01:07 AM  

Somaticasual: By that logic, though, kids are blameless for tobacco use. BUT, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything in our power to keep kids away from cigarettes either.


Nicotine, of course, being an addictive stimulant drug that's typically delivered through products that also contain several known carcinogens and other substances that are harmful to the human body. All of which proven in an experimental setting.

The only causative link between video games and violence in kids, is that exposure to violent content regardless of delivery method or media increases violent thoughts and actions in kids. That's a significant intervening variable, indicative of greater endemic problems in mass media than just video games. The other significant intervening variable is the one we've already been discussing, which is that negligent parents are more likely to allow their children exposure to other forms of violent media as well.

Correlation is not causation, and correlative evidence backed by tenuous links to a handful of studies that prove causation in  other intersections, is what the blanket argument against exposing kids to violent video games relies. All of which, of course, is entirely within the  psychological sphere opposed to the  physiological sphere, which has always boggled the mind due to the number of studies that show correlation between numerous physical health problems and immoderate video game playing -- of course, that applies to  all video games rather than merely the violent ones. None of which is cause to override parental privilege on a legal level, even if attempting to shield kids from shiatty parents is the ultimate goal.

And, you know what? Kids are going to smoke anyway. It's a "grown up" thing to do, and it's the forbidden, irresistable, fruit of things they're told to  not do. Kids don't care that it's illegal -- look at juvenile pot use, for god's sake, and pot is  healthier than tobacco even if it's less-legal. It falls back to the parents to explain the pitfalls and consequences of tobacco use, rather than simply and in an unqualified matter prohibit it and encourage its use, so that kids are inclined to understand exactly what it is they're doing and refuse of their own volition.

In other words,  teach kids to be rational, critically-thining, actors with senses of responsibility to themselves. You know, "parent".
 
2013-09-24 11:02:53 AM  

ReapTheChaos: "Lastly, when I try to describe the content and warnings of an M-rated game to you, please don't ignore me and nod while scrolling through your iPhone."

This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.


This.
 
2013-09-24 11:07:37 AM  

Shedim: ReapTheChaos: "Lastly, when I try to describe the content and warnings of an M-rated game to you, please don't ignore me and nod while scrolling through your iPhone."

This is a good example of a douchenozzle who takes his minimum wage job way to seriously.

Actually, it sounds like someone who wants to protect his job.

We sold GTA V at work, and in Australia it's rated R 18+. That makes it a legally restricted classification and we have to get proof of age if we suspect the person buying it is underage. People can get fined if they sell a game with a legally restricted classification to someone underage (companies and individuals), so to me this is just standard CYA procedure.



When I bought GTA 4 at target they asked me for my drivers license to make sure I'm over 18.  I chuckled and showed my ID as I don't even get carded anymore since my hair turned grey.
 
2013-09-24 11:31:38 AM  

shortymac: scottydoesntknow: Also, does anyone else have a love/hate relationship with Trevor? He's gotta be the most disgusting, despicable, irredeemable piece of shiat to ever grace a video game, and yet I can't stop laughing at everything he says or does.

I actually have a theory that each character represents the Id, Ego, and Super-Ego.

Trevor: ID, pure animalistic urges
Micheal: SuperEgo, trying to be the moral center of his household, but fails
Franklin: The Ego, just trying to survive and make money


Holy shiat, I was thinking exactly that last night as I played! Seriously, that's weird.
 
2013-09-24 11:50:51 AM  
ah Micheal. The closest I've been to actually being in a video game.

Not that old yet.
 
2013-09-24 11:51:55 AM  
That torture scene was one of the most uncomfortable things I've ever done in a video game. I didn't really enjoy that part of the game too much, felt kinda dirty afterwards.
 
2013-09-24 12:42:54 PM  
I don't put a lot of stock in the "violent video games are corrupting our kids" trope, but my brother, who is a father of three, said something interesting a month or so ago.  Apparently EVERYTHING that my nephew has is some type of gun or sword or other weapon.  Yeah, he's got a scooter, and some dump truck toys, but now that he's 5, my brother is seeing that all of his "age appropriate" toys are weapons of some form or another.  People want to blame the video games, but they're just the most visible item.  It's more the entire context of their lives.  It's all Avengers and cops and robbers with guns and knives.

That being said, how can you let your sub-15 year old play GTA V?  That's crazy.
 
2013-09-24 12:50:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: shortymac: scottydoesntknow: Also, does anyone else have a love/hate relationship with Trevor? He's gotta be the most disgusting, despicable, irredeemable piece of shiat to ever grace a video game, and yet I can't stop laughing at everything he says or does.

I actually have a theory that each character represents the Id, Ego, and Super-Ego.

Trevor: ID, pure animalistic urges
Micheal: SuperEgo, trying to be the moral center of his household, but fails
Franklin: The Ego, just trying to survive and make money

Holy shiat, I was thinking exactly that last night as I played! Seriously, that's weird.


I think its on purpose. Im probably going to write an essay on it.
 
2013-09-24 01:04:29 PM  

zumer69: I teach in a school for kids who have behavior and emotional disorders, 98% of them live below the poverty line. The poverty line to which I am referring is $23,550/yr for a household of 4. These kids often don't have working utilities, enough food at home, and move from eviction to eviction. They cannot afford medication or clothing but guess how many of them had GTA V last week? Nearly all of them. Now many people could say "well they were just lying, they can't afford that" and I would agree but for some reason (showing off) when a kid gets a new video game they immediately bring it to school. It's not like we have consoles here. So I'd like to see a comparison of the per capita "silver spoon" kids vs. poor kids ownership once the buying frenzy dies down. Priorities are completely out of sorts for these "parents" of the poor kids.


I worked as an attorney representing young teens accused of crimes for several years. The number of my clients who owned mature themed games was through the roof, although in fairness to the parents about 50% of the time it was the "cool uncle" (on at least one occassion the cool uncle was also known as "the co-defendant") who made the purchase.

My favorite memory was of a kid with an open case who told me he played GTA (Vice City maybe? It was a long time ago...). He and his (clueless) mother both told me they didn't think it was a problem. In front of both of them I asked the kid to tell his mom how you replenished health. He started squirming, then eventually told her about the street hookers. She was pretty stunned.

/I don't begrudge a working class parent getting their kid a game console. I do begrudge any parent who completely checks out on the entertainment media their child is consuming.
//From a legal perspective that conversation was necessary - if he was convicted there would be a home study. If that report showed the mother had that level of ignorance about what her kid was doing with his days when not outside committing crimes it could have been used by the prosecution to show that she could not be trusted to monitor his conduct, and that his sentence should not be home based.
 
2013-09-24 01:13:04 PM  

Fano: FTA: "Was it your son that came in with a giant jar filled with change to buy Minecraft? He was a couple dollars shy, but don't worry, I covered it. His look of excitement as he ran out of the store was more than enough to cover the shortfall. "

Of all the things that never happened, this never happened the most.

This article is sad bullshiat from someone that thinks his job is something more than taking money from people that hand it to him.


Hey! I work in retail - I hand back intoxicants.  Just because he is at the lower range of retail doesn't mean he cannot advance onto better paying drug dealing.

-OH by the way.
 
2013-09-24 03:28:48 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Somaticasual: By that logic, though, kids are blameless for tobacco use. BUT, that doesn't mean we shouldn't do everything in our power to keep kids away from cigarettes either.

Nicotine, of course, being an addictive stimulant drug that's typically delivered through products that also contain several known carcinogens and other substances that are harmful to the human body. All of which proven in an experimental setting.

The only causative link between video games and violence in kids, is that exposure to violent content regardless of delivery method or media increases violent thoughts and actions in kids. That's a significant intervening variable, indicative of greater endemic problems in mass media than just video games. The other significant intervening variable is the one we've already been discussing, which is that negligent parents are more likely to allow their children exposure to other forms of violent media as well.

Correlation is not causation, and correlative evidence backed by tenuous links to a handful of studies that prove causation in  other intersections, is what the blanket argument against exposing kids to violent video games relies. All of which, of course, is entirely within the  psychological sphere opposed to the  physiological sphere, which has always boggled the mind due to the number of studies that show correlation between numerous physical health problems and immoderate video game playing -- of course, that applies to  all video games rather than merely the violent ones. None of which is cause to override parental privilege on a legal level, even if attempting to shield kids from shiatty parents is the ultimate goal.

And, you know what? Kids are going to smoke anyway. It's a "grown up" thing to do, and it's the forbidden, irresistable, fruit of things they're told to  not do. Kids don't care that it's illegal -- look at juvenile pot use, for god's sake, and pot is  healthier than tobacco even if it's less-legal. It falls back to the ...


You realize most of your counter-argument is irrelevant, right? While I appreciate the thought put into it, again - the laws are not being made with GOOD parents in mind. Yes, better parenting SHOULD be the solution (IE, what I've been saying the entire time) BUT because it's not, we have the ESRB/etc.  I'm also not making the argument that most video games shouldn't be played by children - just ones with so many bad influences.
 
2013-09-24 03:49:41 PM  

rpm: Somaticasual: You still haven't answered my question, rpm.
Again - and with no mincing words, CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?

No. Can you say with 100% intellectual honesty it's significant issues among significant numbers?

Bad parenting is far more impactful than video games. Do you support regulation of child bearing? If not, why not?

Religion has obviously done more damage to children than just about anything else. Do you support its regulation? If not, why not?

CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT ANYTHING IS PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?


Obviously not, since anything would include explosives, drugs, etc.Keeping the influence away from kids is the goal, and the laws and ratings are there for that purpose.It doesn't matter whether or not it's a minority or a majority.  This has nothing to do with religion, stop shifting your argument. it also doesn't matter what I support past that, since the  laws are targeting bad parenting ostensibly. This is apparently what you just don't get - some parents will not police themselves. It's why lawn darts are banned, etc.
 
rpm
2013-09-24 04:02:28 PM  

Somaticasual: Obviously not, since anything would include explosives, drugs, etc.Keeping the influence away from kids is the goal, and the laws and ratings are there for that purpose.It doesn't matter whether or not it's a minority or a majority.  This has nothing to do with religion, stop shifting your argument. it also doesn't matter what I support past that, since the  laws are targeting bad parenting ostensibly. This is apparently what you just don't get - some parents will not police themselves. It's why lawn darts are banned, etc.


I'm not shifting the argument, you're blind to the flaws in yours.

OK, video games are a bad influence and should be regulated.
So's religion.
So's TV.
Hot dogs are dangerous. So is honey.
So is ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN NAME.

Why is regulation of other things not desirable when it is for video games? Show your work, no special pleading allowed.

If bad parenting is the problem, why not just require licenses for children? After all, a little restriction on freedom is nothing for the sake of future generations. Make sure only the ones that are able to parent actually do.
 
2013-09-24 04:11:00 PM  

rpm: Somaticasual: Obviously not, since anything would include explosives, drugs, etc.Keeping the influence away from kids is the goal, and the laws and ratings are there for that purpose.It doesn't matter whether or not it's a minority or a majority.  This has nothing to do with religion, stop shifting your argument. it also doesn't matter what I support past that, since the  laws are targeting bad parenting ostensibly. This is apparently what you just don't get - some parents will not police themselves. It's why lawn darts are banned, etc.

I'm not shifting the argument, you're blind to the flaws in yours.

OK, video games are a bad influence and should be regulated.
So's religion.
So's TV.
Hot dogs are dangerous. So is honey.
So is ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN NAME.

Why is regulation of other things not desirable when it is for video games? Show your work, no special pleading allowed.

If bad parenting is the problem, why not just require licenses for children? After all, a little restriction on freedom is nothing for the sake of future generations. Make sure only the ones that are able to parent actually do.


If you can't see any difference between a violent video game that encourages torture, drug use, murder, etc - and religion, hot dogs, and TV - then no amount of arguing is going to correct a fundamental flaw in your belief.  You can't outlaw religion for first amendment issues, but you can regulate video games since no harm will come to the child if they're deprived of it. Past that, please never have kids.
 
2013-09-24 04:53:40 PM  

Somaticasual: rpm: Somaticasual: Obviously not, since anything would include explosives, drugs, etc.Keeping the influence away from kids is the goal, and the laws and ratings are there for that purpose.It doesn't matter whether or not it's a minority or a majority.  This has nothing to do with religion, stop shifting your argument. it also doesn't matter what I support past that, since the  laws are targeting bad parenting ostensibly. This is apparently what you just don't get - some parents will not police themselves. It's why lawn darts are banned, etc.

I'm not shifting the argument, you're blind to the flaws in yours.

OK, video games are a bad influence and should be regulated.
So's religion.
So's TV.
Hot dogs are dangerous. So is honey.
So is ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN NAME.

Why is regulation of other things not desirable when it is for video games? Show your work, no special pleading allowed.

If bad parenting is the problem, why not just require licenses for children? After all, a little restriction on freedom is nothing for the sake of future generations. Make sure only the ones that are able to parent actually do.

If you can't see any difference between a violent video game that encourages torture, drug use, murder, etc - and religion, hot dogs, and TV - then no amount of arguing is going to correct a fundamental flaw in your belief.  You can't outlaw religion for first amendment issues, but you can regulate video games since no harm will come to the child if they're deprived of it. Past that, please never have kids.


Parents should definitely pay attention to what they're buying their children, but it's their job, not yours.  Nor is it the government's place to do so, especially when the evidence suggesting that there's harm or a correlation to problems in society is significantly lacking.

Please explain how the game 'encourages' torture, murder and drug use?  Also, why is the amendment protecting choice of religion any more important than the amendment protecting against the abridging of free speech?  Hint: it's the same amendment.

Additionally, you said harm will come to children if they're deprived of religion.  What harm is that, exactly?  Your argument (no matter how logical it is or isn't) is missing some significant facts.  Instead, you're assuming that your opinions are fact.

And to be clear, after playing GTA V, I do wish some parents would be a little more careful about what they buy their snowflakes.  That could, however, be because I'm butt hurt that I couldn't watch the Simpsons when all my other friends were allowed to because it was a 'bad influence.'
 
2013-09-24 05:01:43 PM  
rpm:
Hot dogs are dangerous. So is honey.

Agree with most but you are wrong on the honey!  It truly is a gift to us all - one of the few foods that doesn't become toxic over time.
 
2013-09-24 05:02:50 PM  

pjfry: Parents should definitely pay attention to what they're buying their children, but it's their job, not yours. Nor is it the government's place to do so, especially when the evidence suggesting that there's harm or a correlation to problems in society is significantly lacking.


AGAIN - the laws/regs are there to address the parents that just don't care.

Please explain how the game 'encourages' torture, murder and drug use? Also, why is the amendment protecting choice of religion any more important than the amendment protecting against the abridging of free speech? Hint: it's the same amendment.

You'll have ask the supreme court why they've made the distinctions that they have on free speech.

Additionally, you said harm will come to children if they're deprived of religion. What harm is that, exactly? Your argument (no matter how logical it is or isn't) is missing some significant facts. Instead, you're assuming that your opinions are fact.

nowhere have i said any harm will come to children if they're deprived of religion. The ONLY thing I said is that  no harm will come to child if you deprive them of a video game - and at that point, any chance of harm from the video game outweighs the kids' desire to play the game in a risk management sense.. And I've stated that it's my opinion that the regulations make perfect sense vs. RPM's whole "live and let live approach".

And to be clear, after playing GTA V, I do wish some parents would be a little more careful about what they buy their snowflakes. That could, however, be because I'm butt hurt that I couldn't watch the Simpsons when all my other friends were allowed to because it was a 'bad influence.'

Fair enough, and i'm right there in the sheltered class myself as far as the simpsons went in the early 90s. Actually never understood that, since the early seasons had decent moral lessons in reality.
 
2013-09-24 05:53:55 PM  

Somaticasual: pjfry: Parents should definitely pay attention to what they're buying their children, but it's their job, not yours. Nor is it the government's place to do so, especially when the evidence suggesting that there's harm or a correlation to problems in society is significantly lacking.

AGAIN - the laws/regs are there to address the parents that just don't care.

Please explain how the game 'encourages' torture, murder and drug use? Also, why is the amendment protecting choice of religion any more important than the amendment protecting against the abridging of free speech? Hint: it's the same amendment.

You'll have ask the supreme court why they've made the distinctions that they have on free speech.

Additionally, you said harm will come to children if they're deprived of religion. What harm is that, exactly? Your argument (no matter how logical it is or isn't) is missing some significant facts. Instead, you're assuming that your opinions are fact.

nowhere have i said any harm will come to children if they're deprived of religion. The ONLY thing I said is that  no harm will come to child if you deprive them of a video game - and at that point, any chance of harm from the video game outweighs the kids' desire to play the game in a risk management sense.. And I've stated that it's my opinion that the regulations make perfect sense vs. RPM's whole "live and let live approach".

And to be clear, after playing GTA V, I do wish some parents would be a little more careful about what they buy their snowflakes. That could, however, be because I'm butt hurt that I couldn't watch the Simpsons when all my other friends were allowed to because it was a 'bad influence.'

Fair enough, and i'm right there in the sheltered class myself as far as the simpsons went in the early 90s. Actually never understood that, since the early seasons had decent moral lessons in reality.


The Simpsons were probably the only tv family shown actually going to church that wasn't specifically a show about religion or angels.
 
2013-09-24 06:20:09 PM  

Somaticasual: You realize most of your counter-argument is irrelevant, right?


No, it's not, because you're ignoring the fundamental points.

(Violent) video games don't exist in a vacuum. Violence is ubiquitous in contemporary society: games, movies, music, TV, even the news. It's everywhere, and nobody can avoid it without going completely neo-primitive and off-the-grid. The negative impact of violent video games?  it's not limited to video games, the problem is with violent media  altogether. Video games make an easy target, but they're the proverbial drop in a much,  much bigger bucket that's big enough it practically encapsulates the entire of our society.

That means, from the onset, the onus is on parents to make sure when -- not if,  when -- their kids are invariably exposed to it, they're capable of understanding it in its proper context, and that violent media is  not to be emulated nor should it strongly influence their beliefs and values as they develop.

And, a word on that "when". You brought up tobacco yourself. I'll add to that alcohol, porn, sex, and illegal drugs. None of those things are remotely legal for kids to have, yet they get their hands on them invariably  anyway. Prohibition does not work, even for kids -- if a kid wants something bad enough they'll find a way to get it, in the home or not, and the fastest and surest way to make sure a kid wants something is to tell them they can't have it.  Period. Adding one more thing to that list -- violent video games -- won't magically change that simple fact.

Parents can't watch their children twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, from the day they're born until the day they turn the age of majority, and even making the attempt is  seriously not conducive to that child's mental health. At some point, kids have to learn how to be functioning, independent adults, and if society has learned anything it's that helicopter parenting retards that process, even introduces very real potential for blowback. What parents  can do is communicate with their damn kids and raise them with an understanding their choices vis-a-vis certain activities have ramifications, what those ramifications are, how to resist peer pressure and make informed decisions for themselves on participating in those activities, and engage in those activities responsibly and safely. That applies to violent media consumption, including video games, as well.

Now, going back to video games themselves, do you seriously think shiatty, neglectful, parents pay attention to ratings systems and regulations? Do you think parents are  only neglectful, if they are, in exclusively that sphere? Those are tools that good parents, and only good parents, use to control their children's media consumption  when and where applicable. For the crappy parents, video game ratings are just another layer of bullshiat retail bureaucracy.  It doesn't help the fundamental problem.

Good parenting isn't just a solution that "should" be the case. It's the ONLY viable long-term solution to this problem.
 
2013-09-24 07:21:43 PM  

rpm: Somaticasual: You still haven't answered my question, rpm.
Again - and with no mincing words, CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT VIDEO GAMES ARE PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?

No. Can you say with 100% intellectual honesty it's significant issues among significant numbers?

Bad parenting is far more impactful than video games. Do you support regulation of child bearing? If not, why not?

Religion has obviously done more damage to children than just about anything else. Do you support its regulation? If not, why not?

CAN YOU SAY WITH 100% INTELLECTUAL HONESTY THAT ANYTHING IS PERFECTLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN?


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2013-09-24 09:05:49 PM  
If you want open world gaming to play alongside your kid, Disney Infinity is pretty darn good.

Cruising around the Caribbean as Jack Sparrow & Barbossa was fun (really enjoyed the ship to ship combat, even if it's simplistic... it's still amusing). The Incredibles has been pretty good as well. I haven't played much Monsters University, although my kids have.

And the Tron Highway download from Disney is great. Difficulty is cranked up from the wee kiddie playsets. Needed the glider backpack from Incredibles to get past the first obstacle, and the Pirate Bombs (from Pirates of the Caribbean) certainly helped with the nasty robots.
 
2013-09-25 04:58:30 AM  

Willas Tyrell: In front of both of them I asked the kid to tell his mom how you replenished health. He started squirming, then eventually told her about the street hookers. She was pretty stunned.


Um, why didn't he just say "you go to the hospital and get health packs"? Calling bullshiat.
 
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