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2013-09-23 11:02:46 AM
not awkward - stupid. republicans are morons. they just made one in an increasingly large number of mistakes.

there was a time when the republican party included intellectuals. nixon - for all his faults - wasn't a dumb man. but now the GOP is controlled by mouth-breathing apes like louis gohmert, michelle bachmann and steve king. they're idiots and they're making policy. the fact that this policy is contradictory and unworkable is a natural byproduct of a party run by dunces.
 
2013-09-23 11:04:58 AM
Ah.  The Stimulus Waltz.  A classic.
 
2013-09-23 11:20:11 AM
Silly Subby- The GOP knows that their constituents will never read the budget, so how they got to their numbers is irrelevant.
 
2013-09-23 11:22:02 AM
POTATO!
 
2013-09-23 11:31:59 AM
Nobody's ever accused Paul Ryan of honesty.
 
2013-09-23 11:38:38 AM

Dinki: The GOP knows that their constituents will never read


you can stop right there.
 
2013-09-23 12:16:23 PM
In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.
 
2013-09-23 12:22:20 PM

mediablitz: Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.


They'll be happy to acknowledge them as long as they can say they're in spite of Obamacare.
 
2013-09-23 12:31:15 PM
Hah.  You assume they'll keep Medicare intact as well.
 
2013-09-23 12:42:42 PM
FTFA: "That's misleading and that's a hoax," he added.

Shout it from the mountaintops.
 
2013-09-23 12:46:50 PM
Well.  Of course.  They're not trying to get rid of Obamacare because it's bad, they're trying to get rid of it because it's good.

("Good", in this case, is relative).

The last thing they want is something working out well for Joe average citizen that is a product of the Democrats.

If it was truly bad for the country, they'd be hands off and let the mess be placed at the feet of the Democrats.  The effort they've been putting in to trying to kill it is testament to just how frightened they are that people will like it when it's full implemented and understood.
 
2013-09-23 12:48:54 PM

mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.


There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?
 
2013-09-23 12:52:02 PM

timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?


At least a thousand!
 
2013-09-23 01:07:57 PM

timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?


Notice how I said "next up"? That implies something coming in the future. But just how DO you think we will handle another 10-30 million people seeking health care? No hiring for nurses at all (one of the most in demanc jobs)?
 
2013-09-23 01:10:59 PM

timujin: There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?


I have several family members that work for one of the national health insurance companies; in anticipation of health care reform they have trained and hired 200+ people for their call centers alone since the Supreme Court upheld the law.

This is a new set of products that is being sold directly to consumers, that requires additional employees in all sectors to implement.
 
2013-09-23 01:15:08 PM
Paul Ryan, Numbers Guy
 
2013-09-23 01:15:33 PM

Clent: timujin: There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

I have several family members that work for one of the national health insurance companies; in anticipation of health care reform they have trained and hired 200+ people for their call centers alone since the Supreme Court upheld the law.

This is a new set of products that is being sold directly to consumers, that requires additional employees in all sectors to implement.


We haven't hired in years but we are now - specifically because of all the IT business the ACA will bring us.
 
2013-09-23 01:16:14 PM
sorry I slipped, what I meant to type was Paul Ryan, Literal Human Garbage
 
2013-09-23 01:16:19 PM

Jackson Herring: Paul Ryan, Numbers Guy


He still is.  They're just not his numbers.
 
2013-09-23 01:16:23 PM

Clent: timujin: There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

I have several family members that work for one of the national health insurance companies; in anticipation of health care reform they have trained and hired 200+ people for their call centers alone since the Supreme Court upheld the law.

This is a new set of products that is being sold directly to consumers, that requires additional employees in all sectors to implement.


This.
 
2013-09-23 01:17:12 PM
I thought we were supposed to pass bills before we find out what is in the bill?
 
2013-09-23 01:20:35 PM
During an appearance on ABC's "This Week," Van Hollen, the ranking Democrat on the House Budget Committee, said Republicans owe the public an explanation for how they can regularly vote to get rid of the Affordable Care Act -- they have now because of Obamacare savings.

Well, Chris, it's quite simple, you see. They have to work with the numbers as they stand. Also, the bogus "projected revenue" from Obamacare is questionable at best. Finally, the costs of Obamacare still out-weigh any revenue. In short, you've got nothing. But I'm sure the libs and dems will uncritically parrot your talking point, so, there's that.
 
2013-09-23 01:20:45 PM
Well, that's amusing.
 
2013-09-23 01:21:22 PM
It takes a whole lot more than savings from Obamacare to keep Ryan's budget plan from increasing our debt.
 
2013-09-23 01:23:06 PM

Jackson Herring: Paul Ryan, Numbers Guy


Unskewed numbers guy at that.

t.qkme.me
 
2013-09-23 01:23:31 PM

FlashHarry: not awkward - stupid. republicans are morons. they just made one in an increasingly large number of mistakes.

there was a time when the republican party included intellectuals. nixon - for all his faults - wasn't a dumb man. but now the GOP is controlled by mouth-breathing apes like louis gohmert, michelle bachmann and steve king. they're idiots and they're making policy. the fact that this policy is contradictory and unworkable is a natural byproduct of a party run by dunces.


Look at the right's beloved St. Ronnie.  Reagan had a talent for making policies that would fark over anyone who's not rich as hell sound like they'd be awesome for everyone.  A moron like Ted Cruz, on the other hand, has a talent for getting the teabagger base all herpaderped up, but he can't really appeal to or convince anyone not in his echo chamber about his ideas.
 
2013-09-23 01:25:39 PM
While it wouldn't keep every aspect of the health care law in place, the budget authored by Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) does rely on Obamacare's $716 billion in cuts to Medicare and maintains its $1.2 trillion tax increase.

Seriously, how can anyone defend this shiat?
 
2013-09-23 01:25:48 PM
Bullshiat savings, in other words.
 
2013-09-23 01:25:52 PM

timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?


Not net gains. But make no mistake, Obamacare is a huge government program, thus it will "create" jobs that aren't needed in the first place. This will make it more difficult to repeal, as BOB and dems have tied jobs to the legislation.
 
2013-09-23 01:26:17 PM
And by anyone, I mean real people and not admitted trolls.
 
2013-09-23 01:26:19 PM
Why don't we talk about Chris Van Hollen more? Is it because he tells the truth?
 
2013-09-23 01:26:54 PM

Cletus C.: Bullshiat savings, in other words.


Are you telling us that Paul Ryan is a bullshiatter when it comes to his numbers?
 
2013-09-23 01:27:01 PM

Aristocles: During an appearance on ABC's "This Week," Van Hollen, the ranking Democrat on the House Budget Committee, said Republicans owe the public an explanation for how they can regularly vote to get rid of the Affordable Care Act -- they have now because of Obamacare savings.

Well, Chris, it's quite simple, you see. They have to work with the numbers as they stand. Also, the bogus "projected revenue" from Obamacare is questionable at best. Finally, the costs of Obamacare still out-weigh any revenue. In short, you've got nothing. But I'm sure the libs and dems will uncritically parrot your talking point, so, there's that.


Hey man, I think he heard you.

Awesome.
 
2013-09-23 01:27:44 PM

Aristocles: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Not net gains. But make no mistake, Obamacare is a huge government program, thus it will "create" jobs that aren't needed in the first place. This will make it more difficult to repeal, as BOB and dems have tied jobs to the legislation.


What does this have to do with your vibrator? Seriously, you mention it in every thread. Do you just shove it up your ass and keep it running while you post in these threads? How many batteries do you go through in a typical week?
 
2013-09-23 01:28:23 PM

Bloody William: And by anyone, I mean real people and not admitted trolls.


Anyone who defends this should never be allowed to post on the internet again.
 
2013-09-23 01:28:55 PM
He also should get props for not letting that slimy farker try to change the topic.
 
2013-09-23 01:29:14 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Bullshiat savings, in other words.

Are you telling us that Paul Ryan is a bullshiatter when it comes to his numbers?


Yes.
 
2013-09-23 01:30:29 PM

Jackson Herring: sorry I slipped, what I meant to type was Paul Ryan, Literal Human Garbage


No worries.  I do the same thing all the time.
 
2013-09-23 01:31:37 PM

timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.
Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?


Here's some in my county:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/obamacare-processing-center-t o- hire-in-wentzville/article_0a61e190-7222-56a5-a22b-a2b9f5a92161.html

FTFA:
Obamacare may be controversial, but it's about to bring hundreds of jobs to Wentzville.
A Virginia-based government contractor is planning to hire 600 people over the next three months to staff a processing center in the St. Charles County suburb, to handle applications for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.
 
2013-09-23 01:32:12 PM

Jackson Herring: sorry I slipped, what I meant to type was Paul Ryan, Literal Human Garbage


What do you have against Literal Human Garbage to besmirch their reputation with a comparison to Paul Ryan?
 
2013-09-23 01:32:23 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Bullshiat savings, in other words.

Are you telling us that Paul Ryan is a bullshiatter when it comes to his numbers?


Dole Office Clerk: Occupation?

Paul Ryan: Stand-up policy wonk.

Dole Office Clerk: What?

Paul Ryan: Stand-up policy wonk. I coalesce the vapors of budgetary minutiae into a viable and meaningful comprehension.

Dole Office Clerk: Oh, a *bullshiat* artist!
 
2013-09-23 01:32:25 PM

show me: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.
Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Here's some in my county:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/obamacare-processing-center-t o- hire-in-wentzville/article_0a61e190-7222-56a5-a22b-a2b9f5a92161.html

FTFA:
Obamacare may be controversial, but it's about to bring hundreds of jobs to Wentzville.
A Virginia-based government contractor is planning to hire 600 people over the next three months to staff a processing center in the St. Charles County suburb, to handle applications for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.


Oh, so like Census jobs.
 
2013-09-23 01:33:16 PM

Cletus C.: Bullshiat savings, in other words.


Everybody is lying! Repubs, Dems, economists, your mom!
 
2013-09-23 01:33:29 PM

fuhfuhfuh: Jackson Herring: sorry I slipped, what I meant to type was Paul Ryan, Literal Human Garbage

What do you have against Literal Human Garbage to besmirch their reputation with a comparison to Paul Ryan?


Get a room.
 
2013-09-23 01:34:20 PM

fuhfuhfuh: How many batteries do you go through in a typical week?


it's one of those that plugs into a standard 110v socket.  he may have to up to it 220, since he's losing sensitivity to it lately.
 
2013-09-23 01:35:49 PM
Will 2013 go down as the year the GOP fell on their swords? Tripped on their own dicks? shiat where they eat?
 
2013-09-23 01:36:30 PM
Oh come on.  Everyone knows that if they defeat Obamacare, St. Ronnie will rise from the dead, bless the multitudes of True Conservatives, and usher in a golden age of no taxes, limited government and right wing bliss.
 
2013-09-23 01:36:35 PM

mediablitz: Cletus C.: Bullshiat savings, in other words.

Everybody is lying! Repubs, Dems, economists, your mom!


Federal budget numbers? Mom is too busy sticking a ball gag in your mouth to worry about that stuff.

But yes, everyone in politics talking budget numbers is like Bullwinkle pulling a rabbit out of his hat.
 
2013-09-23 01:36:38 PM

show me: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.
Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Here's some in my county:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/obamacare-processing-center-t o- hire-in-wentzville/article_0a61e190-7222-56a5-a22b-a2b9f5a92161.html

FTFA:
Obamacare may be controversial, but it's about to bring hundreds of jobs to Wentzville.
A Virginia-based government contractor is planning to hire 600 people over the next three months to staff a processing center in the St. Charles County suburb, to handle applications for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.


Yay! Let's make the government so large that it affects every aspect of our lives! Wooo-hoo!

/ I don't understand why dems and libs want the government, literally, up their asses.
 
2013-09-23 01:38:07 PM
The party of fiscal nonsense.

Honorable John Boehner
Speaker of the House
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Mr. Speaker:

Repealing Obamacare will add $109 Billion to the deficit in the first decade.

Hugs & Kisses,

CBO

(link goes to .pdf)
 
2013-09-23 01:40:50 PM

Aristocles: show me: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.
Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Here's some in my county:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/obamacare-processing-center-t o- hire-in-wentzville/article_0a61e190-7222-56a5-a22b-a2b9f5a92161.html

FTFA:
Obamacare may be controversial, but it's about to bring hundreds of jobs to Wentzville.
A Virginia-based government contractor is planning to hire 600 people over the next three months to staff a processing center in the St. Charles County suburb, to handle applications for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

Yay! Let's make the government so large that it affects every aspect of our lives! Wooo-hoo!

/ I don't understand why dems and libs want the government, literally, up their asses.


As opposed to small enough to fit in a vagina?
 
2013-09-23 01:41:09 PM

Pinner: Will 2013 go down as the year the GOP fell on their swords? Tripped on their own dicks? shiat where they eat?


Choked on their own vomit is the most apt analogy, IMO.
 
2013-09-23 01:42:29 PM

grumpfuff: Aristocles: show me: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.
Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Here's some in my county:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/obamacare-processing-center-t o- hire-in-wentzville/article_0a61e190-7222-56a5-a22b-a2b9f5a92161.html

FTFA:
Obamacare may be controversial, but it's about to bring hundreds of jobs to Wentzville.
A Virginia-based government contractor is planning to hire 600 people over the next three months to staff a processing center in the St. Charles County suburb, to handle applications for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

Yay! Let's make the government so large that it affects every aspect of our lives! Wooo-hoo!

/ I don't understand why dems and libs want the government, literally, up their asses.

As opposed to small enough to fit in a vagina?


That's what the religious right wants. I, personally, don't.
 
2013-09-23 01:42:47 PM

Aristocles: Yay! Let's make the government so large that it affects every aspect of our lives! Wooo-hoo!


They maintain your roads, your water, your food, your working conditions, and your retirement.

They're already in every aspect of your life.  And they do a pretty decent job of it as well, a few long term issues notwithstanding.
 
2013-09-23 01:43:36 PM

MrBallou: FTFA: "That's misleading and that's a hoax," he added.

Shout it from the mountaintops.


Misleading and that's a hoax is the official motto of the GOP
 
2013-09-23 01:43:47 PM

mediablitz: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Notice how I said "next up"? That implies something coming in the future. But just how DO you think we will handle another 10-30 million people seeking health care? No hiring for nurses at all (one of the most in demanc jobs)?


Yeah, I know there will be jobs coming because of the ACA, I thought maybe there had been a recent thread on jobs gains that had already happened.

Clent: timujin: There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

I have several family members that work for one of the national health insurance companies; in anticipation of health care reform they have trained and hired 200+ people for their call centers alone since the Supreme Court upheld the law.


Diogenes: We haven't hired in years but we are now - specifically because of all the IT business the ACA will bring us.


Good stuff.

show me: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/obamacare-processing-center-t o- hire-in-wentzville/article_0a61e190-7222-56a5-a22b-a2b9f5a92161.html


How long will those jobs last, do you think?  I mean, are they just for the enrollment period?  That's going to be a few months this first year, but then only, what? Two months or one going forward?
 
2013-09-23 01:45:25 PM
www.andreagstewart.com
 
2013-09-23 01:47:36 PM

Aristocles: show me: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.
Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Here's some in my county:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/obamacare-processing-center-t o- hire-in-wentzville/article_0a61e190-7222-56a5-a22b-a2b9f5a92161.html

FTFA:
Obamacare may be controversial, but it's about to bring hundreds of jobs to Wentzville.
A Virginia-based government contractor is planning to hire 600 people over the next three months to staff a processing center in the St. Charles County suburb, to handle applications for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

Yay! Let's make the government so large that it affects every aspect of our lives! Wooo-hoo!

/ I don't understand why dems and libs want the government, literally, up their asses.


Exactly.  Dem and libs should be like Republicans who want to keep the government out of women't vaginas!!!!!!

.......Oh wait......
 
2013-09-23 01:47:38 PM

Aristocles: show me: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.
Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Here's some in my county:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/obamacare-processing-center-t o- hire-in-wentzville/article_0a61e190-7222-56a5-a22b-a2b9f5a92161.html

FTFA:
Obamacare may be controversial, but it's about to bring hundreds of jobs to Wentzville.
A Virginia-based government contractor is planning to hire 600 people over the next three months to staff a processing center in the St. Charles County suburb, to handle applications for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

Yay! Let's make the government so large that it affects every aspect of our lives! Wooo-hoo!

/ I don't understand why dems and libs want the government, literally, up their asses.



I know, right? Why would anyone want clean water, safe food, and safe streets? Stupid libs, if it weren't for the government I could live like a warlord, hoarding all the food and water from my neighbors and only doling it out in return for sexual favors from their wives.
 
2013-09-23 01:47:43 PM
Aristocles:
Yay! Let's make the government so large that it affects every aspect of our lives! Wooo-hoo!

/ I don't understand why dems and libs want the government, literally, up their asses.


Legally required Insurance = Government mandate, but Private Industry provided Insurance.  Government hating Republicans should be in love with legally mandated profit centers, if it weren't for that darned black man doing it.

Government up your holes = Sodomy and invasive ultrasound laws, vigorously supported by conservatives.

Check and mate.
 
2013-09-23 01:48:45 PM

Cletus C.: show me: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.
Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Here's some in my county:

http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/obamacare-processing-center-t o- hire-in-wentzville/article_0a61e190-7222-56a5-a22b-a2b9f5a92161.html

FTFA:
Obamacare may be controversial, but it's about to bring hundreds of jobs to Wentzville.
A Virginia-based government contractor is planning to hire 600 people over the next three months to staff a processing center in the St. Charles County suburb, to handle applications for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

Oh, so like Census jobs.


Not exactly. Sure there will be, hopefully, a huge initial set of applications, but it's not like they will entirely go away. I assume that you can sign up for coverage on the exchanges outside of open enrollment if you have a 'life change' event (like losing your job). And there will be open enrollments each year. So, presumably at least some of those jobs will be permanent. Enrolling and maintaining 10s of millions of new subscribers is absolutely going to create additional workload that will create new jobs.
 
2013-09-23 01:49:55 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Cletus C.: Bullshiat savings, in other words.

Are you telling us that Paul Ryan is a bullshiatter when it comes to his numbers?


Actually, I think Paul Ryan believes his numbers are correct, which means he's not a bullshiatter.

But this would make him delusional.
 
2013-09-23 01:50:04 PM

Triple Oak: Why don't we talk about Chris Van Hollen more? Is it because he tells the truth?


It's a different kind of truth.
 
2013-09-23 01:51:44 PM
Of course it is completely consistent. The money that is saved by Obamacare is simply stolen from hard-working Americans and given to the 47% who do nothing except watch TV on their Obamaphones and eat caviar bought with food stamps. By including this money, they can finally liberate it from the clutches of the Liberals and give it to the Job Creators who so richly deserve it. This was no accident or mistake. The only way to get the money back into the Job Creator's pockets is to include it in the budget so we can stand and look at it, giving each other knowing looks, print it out, touch it, pass it around, study it in detail, and know it as the fraud we know it is. Then we can scan it back in and through a process known as "budget reabsorbtion", it can be brought into the mix and folded slowly into the layered cake that is the Republican Budget.
 
2013-09-23 01:53:42 PM
Anyone have a link to the next part of the interview.  You know, the response?
 
2013-09-23 01:56:00 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Aristocles:
Yay! Let's make the government so large that it affects every aspect of our lives! Wooo-hoo!

/ I don't understand why dems and libs want the government, literally, up their asses.

Legally required Insurance = Government mandate, but Private Industry provided Insurance.  Government hating Republicans should be in love with legally mandated profit centers, if it weren't for that darned black man doing it.

Government up your holes = Sodomy and invasive ultrasound laws, vigorously supported by conservatives.

Check and mate.


I still have yet to receive a serious answer to why ACA was a great idea when proposed by the Heritage Foundation, and when essentially the same thing was implemented in Mass. by Romney.

Unless the reason has to do with it being put into place by a nigg Democrat, why would people rejected something they previously supported, especially when they agree with the measure in the act?
 
2013-09-23 01:56:18 PM
Aristocles:  / I don't understand why dems and libs want the government, literally, up their asses.

Simple.  Early detection is the key to surviving prostate cancer.
 
2013-09-23 01:57:56 PM

Aristocles: Yay! Let's make the government so large that it affects every aspect of our lives! Wooo-hoo!

/ I don't understand why dems and libs want the government, literally, up their asses.



right! we've come this far without ANY gov't intervention in our society. (rolls eyes)

I'd rather have the gov't than the private sector profiteers dismantling my ass & leaving it utterly worthless at the very least, the gov't includes me in their plan & not just my money.
 
2013-09-23 01:58:33 PM

Cletus C.: show me: http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/obamacare-processing-center-t o- hire-in-wentzville/article_0a61e190-7222-56a5-a22b-a2b9f5a92161.html

FTFA:
Obamacare may be controversial, but it's about to bring hundreds of jobs to Wentzville.
A Virginia-based government contractor is planning to hire 600 people over the next three months to staff a processing center in the St. Charles County suburb, to handle applications for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act.

Oh, so like Census jobs.


wat

Oh, you mean that, just like Census jobs, everyone ever will apply for benefits under the ACA between now and a month from now? We'll never need application processors after October?

What makes you think that people won't be needed to handle the applications in, say, March of 2016?
 
2013-09-23 01:58:40 PM

Cletus C.: mediablitz: Cletus C.: Bullshiat savings, in other words.

Everybody is lying! Repubs, Dems, economists, your mom!

Federal budget numbers? Mom is too busy sticking a ball gag in your mouth to worry about that stuff.

But yes, everyone in politics talking budget numbers is like Bullwinkle pulling a rabbit out of his hat.


They pull out a lion instead?

\Don't know my own strength
 
2013-09-23 01:59:49 PM

Bermuda59: MrBallou: FTFA: "That's misleading and that's a hoax," he added.

Shout it from the mountaintops.

Misleading and that's a hoax is the official motto of the GOP


No, that's their official mission statement. Their motto is "I got  mine".
 
2013-09-23 02:01:30 PM
Pretty sure if they're consolidating costs into Obamacare it's only so that they can cut it when they vote to scrap the Obamacare altogether. Problems solved?
 
2013-09-23 02:01:50 PM
rustypouch:

I still have yet to receive a serious answer to why ACA was a great idea when proposed by the Heritage Foundation, and when essentially the same thing was implemented in Mass. by Romney.

The serious answer (which I am expressing, not advocating) is that it would be a fine program on a state level for any state to implement, but it is an overreach if it comes down from the federal level, superseding the State's ability to do something that works better locally.
 
2013-09-23 02:02:05 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: The money that is saved by Obamacare is simply stolen from hard-working Americans and given to the 47% who do nothing except watch TV on their Obamaphones and eat caviar bought with food stamps.


I've actually heard people say things like this.
 
2013-09-23 02:05:20 PM

Diogenes: Clent: timujin: There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

I have several family members that work for one of the national health insurance companies; in anticipation of health care reform they have trained and hired 200+ people for their call centers alone since the Supreme Court upheld the law.

This is a new set of products that is being sold directly to consumers, that requires additional employees in all sectors to implement.

We haven't hired in years but we are now - specifically because of all the IT business the ACA will bring us.


Humm....  Didn't you say last week that you might get fired because of Obamacare?  Is your employer schizophrenic?
 
2013-09-23 02:07:17 PM

Name_Omitted: rustypouch:

I still have yet to receive a serious answer to why ACA was a great idea when proposed by the Heritage Foundation, and when essentially the same thing was implemented in Mass. by Romney.

The serious answer (which I am expressing, not advocating) is that it would be a fine program on a state level for any state to implement, but it is an overreach if it comes down from the federal level, superseding the State's ability to do something that works better locally.


Well then it's a good thing all those "states rights herpa derpas" in red states set up their own exchanges and gave the bird to Washington.

Huh? You say that red states refused to set up their own exchanges and are relying on the federal government to do it for them? Whaaaaaa?
 
2013-09-23 02:08:01 PM

Soup4Bonnie: The party of fiscal nonsense.

Honorable John Boehner
Speaker of the House
U.S. House of Representatives
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Mr. Speaker:

Repealing Obamacare will add $109 Billion to the deficit in the first decade.

Hugs & Kisses,

CBO

(link goes to .pdf)


that's enough of your facts.  the truth has a liberal bias.
 
2013-09-23 02:16:30 PM
Obvious tag broken?
 
2013-09-23 02:16:50 PM

MrBallou: Bermuda59: MrBallou: FTFA: "That's misleading and that's a hoax," he added.

Shout it from the mountaintops.

Misleading and that's a hoax is the official motto of the GOP

No, that's their official mission statement. Their motto is "I got  mine".


No, it's this...
img.fark.net
 
2013-09-23 02:21:22 PM

Pinner: MrBallou: Bermuda59: MrBallou: FTFA: "That's misleading and that's a hoax," he added.

Shout it from the mountaintops.

Misleading and that's a hoax is the official motto of the GOP

No, that's their official mission statement. Their motto is "I got  mine".

No, it's this...
[img.fark.net image 428x700]


looks like someone tattooed that on a cadaver...or a ginger.
 
2013-09-23 02:24:17 PM

Pinner: MrBallou: Bermuda59: MrBallou: FTFA: "That's misleading and that's a hoax," he added.

Shout it from the mountaintops.

Misleading and that's a hoax is the official motto of the GOP

No, that's their official mission statement. Their motto is "I got  mine".

No, it's this...


That's one of my favorite episodes though I wouldn't get it tattooed on me.
 
2013-09-23 02:24:59 PM

max_pooper: Name_Omitted: rustypouch:

I still have yet to receive a serious answer to why ACA was a great idea when proposed by the Heritage Foundation, and when essentially the same thing was implemented in Mass. by Romney.

The serious answer (which I am expressing, not advocating) is that it would be a fine program on a state level for any state to implement, but it is an overreach if it comes down from the federal level, superseding the State's ability to do something that works better locally.

Well then it's a good thing all those "states rights herpa derpas" in red states set up their own exchanges and gave the bird to Washington.

Huh? You say that red states refused to set up their own exchanges and are relying on the federal government to do it for them? Whaaaaaa?


Beat me to it.

It's staggering how people have no idea what's in the ACA, but feel the need to comment on it anyway.
 
2013-09-23 02:25:14 PM

mediablitz: "Republicans refuse to acknowledge...

"

Insert anything the President does that turns out well.
 
2013-09-23 02:32:15 PM

max_pooper: Pinner: MrBallou: Bermuda59: MrBallou: FTFA: "That's misleading and that's a hoax," he added.

Shout it from the mountaintops.

Misleading and that's a hoax is the official motto of the GOP

No, that's their official mission statement. Their motto is "I got  mine".

No, it's this...

That's one of my favorite episodes though I wouldn't get it tattooed on me.


It's pretty good as battle cries go. Better than "Drill, baby, Drill!", anyway.
 
2013-09-23 02:37:31 PM

Pinner: MrBallou: Bermuda59: MrBallou: FTFA: "That's misleading and that's a hoax," he added.

Shout it from the mountaintops.

Misleading and that's a hoax is the official motto of the GOP

No, that's their official mission statement. Their motto is "I got  mine".

No, it's this...
[img.fark.net image 428x700]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NOdkMRniig
 
2013-09-23 02:39:34 PM

Cletus C.: But yes, everyone in politics talking budget numbers is like Bullwinkle pulling a rabbit out of his hat.


Interesting how you avoid addressing the economics part of my comment.

Scared, are ya?
 
2013-09-23 02:46:12 PM

Aristocles: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Not net gains. But make no mistake, Obamacare is a huge government program, thus it will "create" jobs that aren't needed in the first place. This will make it more difficult to repeal, as BOB and dems have tied jobs to the legislation.


Is BOB Barack OBama? That's a new one to me.
 
2013-09-23 02:46:25 PM

mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.


The thing about money is that it's fungible. GDP=C+I+G+nX and adding to G has to come from somewhere. I don't think anyone can make an economic case for Obamacare created more jobs, though that might end up being true in the future. Any given office that had to hire people did so with tax dollars (or borrowed money) that had an opportunity cost that, on its surface, has an equal and opposite effect.

Now, it could very well be that a healthier population is a more productive one, giving rise to GDP, but until Obamacare is actually realized, well, there's no such thing as a free lunch, and there's no such thing as a government creating jobs without an opportunity cost.
 
2013-09-23 02:46:38 PM

fuhfuhfuh: What does this have to do with your vibrator? Seriously, you mention it in every thread. Do you just shove it up your ass and keep it running while you post in these threads? How many batteries do you go through in a typical week?


If his vibrator is broken, then no one can have one.
 
2013-09-23 02:47:47 PM

Tman144: Pinner: MrBallou: Bermuda59: MrBallou: FTFA: "That's misleading and that's a hoax," he added.

Shout it from the mountaintops.

Misleading and that's a hoax is the official motto of the GOP

No, that's their official mission statement. Their motto is "I got  mine".

No, it's this...
[img.fark.net image 428x700]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NOdkMRniig


AWESOME! That was a funny episode.
 
2013-09-23 02:54:56 PM

Moosecakes: Is BOB Barack OBama? That's a new one to me.


he's trying to make it a meme.  its a stupid meme and we all just laugh at him for it.
 
2013-09-23 03:00:49 PM
Is someone still trying to make BOy Bands happen?
 
2013-09-23 03:06:19 PM

cranked: Is someone still trying to make BOy Bands happen?


No, his Battery Operated Boyfriend is acting up again and he feels he has to tell us all about it.
 
2013-09-23 03:06:54 PM

Moosecakes: Aristocles: timujin: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

Not net gains. But make no mistake, Obamacare is a huge government program, thus it will "create" jobs that aren't needed in the first place. This will make it more difficult to repeal, as BOB and dems have tied jobs to the legislation.

Is BOB Barack OBama? That's a new one to me.


I can't tell if they're trying to make a meme out of it or if it's just that giving Obama a vanilla, white guy name makes it more palatable to think of him being in the White House.
 
2013-09-23 03:06:55 PM

Ricardo Klement: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

The thing about money is that it's fungible. GDP=C+I+G+nX and adding to G has to come from somewhere. I don't think anyone can make an economic case for Obamacare created more jobs, though that might end up being true in the future. Any given office that had to hire people did so with tax dollars (or borrowed money) that had an opportunity cost that, on its surface, has an equal and opposite effect.

Now, it could very well be that a healthier population is a more productive one, giving rise to GDP, but until Obamacare is actually realized, well, there's no such thing as a free lunch, and there's no such thing as a government creating jobs without an opportunity cost.


Not necessarily, the return on investment can be much higher for some uses of funds than others, some are less than the initial cost, some are much higher. Especially when jobs are created, or that money goes to those with poor financial situations, almost all programs that help the poor have a high ROI. If the funds were previously just going to sit in a bank somewhere, or not be spent, then the return is much better.  Circulation of money is critical.
 
2013-09-23 03:11:08 PM

ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

The thing about money is that it's fungible. GDP=C+I+G+nX and adding to G has to come from somewhere. I don't think anyone can make an economic case for Obamacare created more jobs, though that might end up being true in the future. Any given office that had to hire people did so with tax dollars (or borrowed money) that had an opportunity cost that, on its surface, has an equal and opposite effect.

Now, it could very well be that a healthier population is a more productive one, giving rise to GDP, but until Obamacare is actually realized, well, there's no such thing as a free lunch, and there's no such thing as a government creating jobs without an opportunity cost.

Not necessarily, the return on investment can be much higher for some uses of funds than others, some are less than the initial cost, some are much higher. Especially when jobs are created, or that money goes to those with poor financial situations, almost all programs that help the poor have a high ROI. If the funds were previously just going to sit in a bank somewhere, or not be spent, then the return is much better.  Circulation of money is critical.


You can have a return on investment - but as I said in my next paragraph, the investment has to have a chance to return. There has been no such chance in Obamacare - it hasn't been implemented yet.
 
2013-09-23 03:12:13 PM

ValisIV: If the funds were previously just going to sit in a bank somewhere, or not be spent, then the return is much better.


Oh, and this doesn't really happen. It's a myth, and if one really thought about it, one would realize why.

/Banks are not charities happy to pay interest for the pleasure of holding onto your money
 
2013-09-23 03:13:34 PM

Flab: Diogenes: Clent: timujin: There have been job gains due to Obamacare?  Got a source for that?

I have several family members that work for one of the national health insurance companies; in anticipation of health care reform they have trained and hired 200+ people for their call centers alone since the Supreme Court upheld the law.

This is a new set of products that is being sold directly to consumers, that requires additional employees in all sectors to implement.

We haven't hired in years but we are now - specifically because of all the IT business the ACA will bring us.

Humm....  Didn't you say last week that you might get fired because of Obamacare?  Is your employer schizophrenic?


My team has to give up headcount to the other teams more affected by ACA that are staffing up, and they need engineers who already know what they're doing (know the support systems, processes, learn new products quickly, etc.).  Those jobs will stay in the US.  But if my team's workload, volumes, etc. maintain at current levels I won't get that headcount back.

We do alot more than just healthcare.  My products don't align with any particular industry.
 
2013-09-23 03:19:33 PM

Ricardo Klement: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

Next up. Republicans refuse to acknowledge job gains due to ObamaCare.

The thing about money is that it's fungible. GDP=C+I+G+nX and adding to G has to come from somewhere. I don't think anyone can make an economic case for Obamacare created more jobs, though that might end up being true in the future. Any given office that had to hire people did so with tax dollars (or borrowed money) that had an opportunity cost that, on its surface, has an equal and opposite effect.

Now, it could very well be that a healthier population is a more productive one, giving rise to GDP, but until Obamacare is actually realized, well, there's no such thing as a free lunch, and there's no such thing as a government creating jobs without an opportunity cost.


It's futile to explain that which is unseen to Farklibs. But, more power to you.
 
2013-09-23 03:22:45 PM

Ricardo Klement: ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

You can have a return on investment - but as I said in my next paragraph, the investment has to have a chance to return. There has been no such chance in Obamacare - it hasn't been implemented yet.


True, but you can predict some of the returns, the ROI of job creation and effect of healthy employees is known. Like investing in a retirement plan. You can know about what to expect.  The CBO has already said what the ROI expected from Obamacare is.  Not necessarily perfect, but going from other nations and past trends, that ROI is expected to be fairly positive. It's not just rolling the dice and praying for a 7.
 
2013-09-23 03:25:27 PM

Aristocles: This will make it more difficult to repeal, as BOB and dems have tied jobs to the legislation


Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-23 03:31:48 PM

ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

You can have a return on investment - but as I said in my next paragraph, the investment has to have a chance to return. There has been no such chance in Obamacare - it hasn't been implemented yet.

True, but you can predict some of the returns, the ROI of job creation and effect of healthy employees is known. Like investing in a retirement plan. You can know about what to expect.  The CBO has already said what the ROI expected from Obamacare is.  Not necessarily perfect, but going from other nations and past trends, that ROI is expected to be fairly positive. It's not just rolling the dice and praying for a 7.


Maybe so, but the comment is that Obamacare created jobs, not that it will create jobs. At the moment, it's an investment.
 
2013-09-23 03:42:44 PM

grumpfuff: cranked: Is someone still trying to make BOy Bands happen?

No, his Battery Operated Boyfriend is acting up again and he feels he has to tell us all about it.


Are you sure he isn't fantasizing about "Bend Over Boyfriend"

/I'd GIS it, but I'm at work.   It is an exercise left up to the reader.
 
2013-09-23 03:45:59 PM

Ricardo Klement: ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

You can have a return on investment - but as I said in my next paragraph, the investment has to have a chance to return. There has been no such chance in Obamacare - it hasn't been implemented yet.

True, but you can predict some of the returns, the ROI of job creation and effect of healthy employees is known. Like investing in a retirement plan. You can know about what to expect.  The CBO has already said what the ROI expected from Obamacare is.  Not necessarily perfect, but going from other nations and past trends, that ROI is expected to be fairly positive. It's not just rolling the dice and praying for a 7.

Maybe so, but the comment is that Obamacare created jobs, not that it will create jobs. At the moment, it's an investment.


I suppose you think that the healthcare exchanges will just set themselves up on 10/1 and be staffed entirely with robots.
 
2013-09-23 03:48:28 PM

ManateeGag: Moosecakes: Is BOB Barack OBama? That's a new one to me.

he's trying to make it a meme.  its a stupid meme and we all just laugh at him for it.


You do have to admit that it's better than Hussein, however.
 
2013-09-23 03:50:20 PM

Muta: Who is Bob?



mynews13.com, mynews13.com, mynews13.com

mynews13.com, mynews13.com, mynews13.com, or cbsfwbam.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-23 03:52:47 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Well.  Of course.  They're not trying to get rid of Obamacare because it's bad, they're trying to get rid of it because it's good.

("Good", in this case, is relative).

The last thing they want is something working out well for Joe average citizen that is a product of the Democrats.

If it was truly bad for the country, they'd be hands off and let the mess be placed at the feet of the Democrats.  The effort they've been putting in to trying to kill it is testament to just how frightened they are that people will like it when it's full implemented and understood.


scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net

Think how they handle a situation they know will work out best for them. The Killian Memo.   The 'th' suffix as part of 187th was in superscript (showing it was done with Microsoft Word instead of a 1960s typewriter).

littlegreenfootballs.com

They knew the document was a fake, irrespective of the debate of the story's accuracy, so they were quiet for days. Why stop an opponent from shooting themselves in the foot so close to the finish line?

Now compare that to the ACA. They have pinned Obama's name to it. Obamacare. But the funny thing about epithets are: they have a way of becoming the accepted name of what you were ridiculing, like with The Big Bang. So there it is. They named something hoping it would fail, not considering what it all meant historically it it were a resounding success. This could have been their Romney moment. Instead, they turned it into their Romney moment...! So do they relinquish their cards? Hell no! Never surrender! They NEVER surrender!

That's the beauty of bluffing someone that bluffs all the time, especially when they claim they always have an unbeatable hand. Just wait until you have an incredible hand, and call their bluff. You can clean out an opponent that can't change their strategy from this obvious tactic time after time. When called, they'll double down. They'll go all in. The cards will be revealed. And that's when they go completely mad and throw in the deeds to their houses too.

TL;DR - they hide their good cards with silence. Their constant screaming is their 'tell' they're bluffing. And they're not very good at knowing when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em.
 
2013-09-23 03:55:09 PM

Name_Omitted: Aristocles:  / I don't understand why dems and libs want the government, literally, up their asses.

Simple.  Early detection is the key to surviving prostate cancer.


Smart and Funny!
 
2013-09-23 03:56:09 PM

Ricardo Klement: Maybe so, but the comment is that Obamacare created jobs, not that it will create jobs. At the moment, it's an investment.


That's not true.  The PPACA is a lot more than the insurance exchange.  It also expands community health services.  Many community health facilities have already received money to expand and have expanded resulting in construction jobs in addition to staffing positions and, on the secondary level, equipment purchases which also lead to job creation.  What's comical about it is that you'll often see Republicans cutting the ribbons or breaking ground at these expansion projects.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-23 03:57:05 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

You can have a return on investment - but as I said in my next paragraph, the investment has to have a chance to return. There has been no such chance in Obamacare - it hasn't been implemented yet.

True, but you can predict some of the returns, the ROI of job creation and effect of healthy employees is known. Like investing in a retirement plan. You can know about what to expect.  The CBO has already said what the ROI expected from Obamacare is.  Not necessarily perfect, but going from other nations and past trends, that ROI is expected to be fairly positive. It's not just rolling the dice and praying for a 7.

Maybe so, but the comment is that Obamacare created jobs, not that it will create jobs. At the moment, it's an investment.

I suppose you think that the healthcare exchanges will just set themselves up on 10/1 and be staffed entirely with robots.


Let me ask you: if the health care exchanges are set up, and on 1/1, the GOP defunds and eliminates Obamacare entirely, won't it have been entirely a waste of time and money? Yes. Those jobs will have actually cost MORE in opportunity cost than they gained.

This isn't a difficult economic concept.
 
2013-09-23 03:57:45 PM

Ricardo Klement: ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

You can have a return on investment - but as I said in my next paragraph, the investment has to have a chance to return. There has been no such chance in Obamacare - it hasn't been implemented yet.

True, but you can predict some of the returns, the ROI of job creation and effect of healthy employees is known. Like investing in a retirement plan. You can know about what to expect.  The CBO has already said what the ROI expected from Obamacare is.  Not necessarily perfect, but going from other nations and past trends, that ROI is expected to be fairly positive. It's not just rolling the dice and praying for a 7.

Maybe so, but the comment is that Obamacare created jobs, not that it will create jobs. At the moment, it's an investment.


I addressed this upthread and my post has been in a lot of posts since then.
 
2013-09-23 03:58:54 PM

Ricardo Klement: Let me ask you: if the health care exchanges are set up, and on 1/1, the GOP defunds and eliminates Obamacare entirely, won't it have been entirely a waste of time and money? Yes. Those jobs will have actually cost MORE in opportunity cost than they gained.

This isn't a difficult economic concept.


Also not a difficult concept: the fact that Obama will never allow his signature to be defunded under any circumstances, and the GOP can't defund Obamacare without his signature on the bill. So, what you are arguing is entirely a moot point, and Obamacare has up until this point created jobs.
 
2013-09-23 03:59:03 PM

Doc Lee: Ricardo Klement: Maybe so, but the comment is that Obamacare created jobs, not that it will create jobs. At the moment, it's an investment.

That's not true.  The PPACA is a lot more than the insurance exchange.  It also expands community health services.  Many community health facilities have already received money to expand and have expanded resulting in construction jobs in addition to staffing positions and, on the secondary level, equipment purchases which also lead to job creation.  What's comical about it is that you'll often see Republicans cutting the ribbons or breaking ground at these expansion projects.

[i.imgur.com image 640x361]


You don't get a return on investment the moment you make the investment. It pays off over time. What you guys are doing is saying, "Look! We just cut the ribbon on our first store! We're now rich!" Um, don't you need the revenues to actually happen first?
 
2013-09-23 04:03:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Also not a difficult concept: the fact that Obama will never allow his signature to be defunded under any circumstances, and the GOP can't defund Obamacare without his signature on the bill. So, what you are arguing is entirely a moot point, and Obamacare has up until this point created jobs.


If that's supposed to say "Obama will never allow his signature on the PPACA", fine.

If, however, it's supposed to read "Obama will never allow his signature bill", I must take exception - Obama only got involved with PPACA at the 11th hour, and never really made specific demands of the final bill (as I recall). I do remember him saying to Congress "Look, just give me a bill I can sign. Work it out however you will, but give me SOMETHING."

By calling it "ObamaCare", the GOP made it his signature effort. (I suppose it is the largest/most visible thing achieved during term #1, but it's hardly got his Kenyan fingerprints all over it.)
 
2013-09-23 04:05:03 PM

show me: Ricardo Klement: ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: ValisIV: Ricardo Klement: mediablitz: In before "HuffPo, so I will ignore it" posts.

You can have a return on investment - but as I said in my next paragraph, the investment has to have a chance to return. There has been no such chance in Obamacare - it hasn't been implemented yet.

True, but you can predict some of the returns, the ROI of job creation and effect of healthy employees is known. Like investing in a retirement plan. You can know about what to expect.  The CBO has already said what the ROI expected from Obamacare is.  Not necessarily perfect, but going from other nations and past trends, that ROI is expected to be fairly positive. It's not just rolling the dice and praying for a 7.

Maybe so, but the comment is that Obamacare created jobs, not that it will create jobs. At the moment, it's an investment.

I addressed this upthread and my post has been in a lot of posts since then.


I addressed your point. There is an opportunity cost for that money you spent to create those jobs. That opportunity cost equals other jobs.
 
2013-09-23 04:07:44 PM

Muta: Aristocles: This will make it more difficult to repeal, as BOB and dems have tied jobs to the legislation

Who is Bob?


You can thank Brickhouse for this nickname.  I'm pretty sure I saw the thread where AiryTesticles asked him permission to use it and brick gave the go ahead.
 
2013-09-23 04:13:47 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: Let me ask you: if the health care exchanges are set up, and on 1/1, the GOP defunds and eliminates Obamacare entirely, won't it have been entirely a waste of time and money? Yes. Those jobs will have actually cost MORE in opportunity cost than they gained.

This isn't a difficult economic concept.

Also not a difficult concept: the fact that Obama will never allow his signature to be defunded under any circumstances, and the GOP can't defund Obamacare without his signature on the bill. So, what you are arguing is entirely a moot point, and Obamacare has up until this point created jobs.


No it hasn't. Not yet. Money is fungible. That money came from somewhere, and that somewhere is a place that has less money for jobs of its own.
 
2013-09-23 04:45:04 PM
The GOP has been figuring those savings into their budget proposals since Ryan was running for VP.
 
2013-09-23 05:02:04 PM

Dr Dreidel: Obama only got involved with PPACA at the 11th hour, and never really made specific demands of the final bill (as I recall).


You recall really wrongly. The only reason for PPACA was Obama.
 
2013-09-23 05:03:59 PM

Ricardo Klement: No it hasn't. Not yet. Money is fungible. That money came from somewhere, and that somewhere is a place that has less money for jobs of its own.


You're kidding, right.
 
2013-09-23 05:06:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: No it hasn't. Not yet. Money is fungible. That money came from somewhere, and that somewhere is a place that has less money for jobs of its own.

You're kidding, right.


Please don't.  Anyone that stupid is either trolling, or so dense that no amount of evidence will change his mind.
 
2013-09-23 06:21:27 PM

Infernalist: cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: No it hasn't. Not yet. Money is fungible. That money came from somewhere, and that somewhere is a place that has less money for jobs of its own.

You're kidding, right.

Please don't.  Anyone that stupid is either trolling, or so dense that no amount of evidence will change his mind.


This is why it hasn't created jobs. You have to overcome the opportunity cost. To argue this created "jobs" in any MEANINGFUL sense is to argue congress could have hired a bunch of people to stand around picking their noses. (Besides, the House already has all those jobs.)

Until Obamacare actually kicks in, those jobs have not yet returned as much to the economy as they've taken out in opportunity costs, including employment.
 
2013-09-23 07:17:53 PM

Ricardo Klement: Infernalist: cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: No it hasn't. Not yet. Money is fungible. That money came from somewhere, and that somewhere is a place that has less money for jobs of its own.

You're kidding, right.

Please don't.  Anyone that stupid is either trolling, or so dense that no amount of evidence will change his mind.

This is why it hasn't created jobs. You have to overcome the opportunity cost. To argue this created "jobs" in any MEANINGFUL sense is to argue congress could have hired a bunch of people to stand around picking their noses. (Besides, the House already has all those jobs.)

Until Obamacare actually kicks in, those jobs have not yet returned as much to the economy as they've taken out in opportunity costs, including employment.


So what you're saying, is that in addition to not wanting to allow folks to have access to healthcare, Republicans are actively trying to drive up unemployment?
 
2013-09-23 07:40:44 PM

Dr Dreidel: cameroncrazy1984: Also not a difficult concept: the fact that Obama will never allow his signature to be defunded under any circumstances, and the GOP can't defund Obamacare without his signature on the bill. So, what you are arguing is entirely a moot point, and Obamacare has up until this point created jobs.

If that's supposed to say "Obama will never allow his signature on the PPACA", fine.

If, however, it's supposed to read "Obama will never allow his signature bill", I must take exception - Obama only got involved with PPACA at the 11th hour, and never really made specific demands of the final bill (as I recall). I do remember him saying to Congress "Look, just give me a bill I can sign. Work it out however you will, but give me SOMETHING."

By calling it "ObamaCare", the GOP made it his signature effort. (I suppose it is the largest/most visible thing achieved during term #1, but it's hardly got his Kenyan fingerprints all over it.)


Great, then he shouldn't have a problem defunding it instead of holding America hostage.
 
2013-09-23 07:49:15 PM

timujin: So what you're saying, is that in addition to not wanting to allow folks to have access to healthcare, Republicans are actively trying to drive up unemployment?


Well, yeah.

The GOP goal is for the average American consumer to be paid $5/hr, have no health care, and no assistance to buy food. So they'll have no money to spend at Wal-Mart, which will have empty shelves anyway because the GOP has refused to pay for interstate bridge repairs over the last generation, and nobody can pass a CDL test thanks to their education cuts. And in turn, there will be no consumer or commercial vehicle traffic to pay for domestic gasoline and diesel products.

Then, at long last, they can declare victory over the liberal socialists.
 
2013-09-23 08:07:44 PM

timujin: Ricardo Klement: Infernalist: cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: No it hasn't. Not yet. Money is fungible. That money came from somewhere, and that somewhere is a place that has less money for jobs of its own.

You're kidding, right.

Please don't.  Anyone that stupid is either trolling, or so dense that no amount of evidence will change his mind.

This is why it hasn't created jobs. You have to overcome the opportunity cost. To argue this created "jobs" in any MEANINGFUL sense is to argue congress could have hired a bunch of people to stand around picking their noses. (Besides, the House already has all those jobs.)

Until Obamacare actually kicks in, those jobs have not yet returned as much to the economy as they've taken out in opportunity costs, including employment.

So what you're saying, is that in addition to not wanting to allow folks to have access to healthcare, Republicans are actively trying to drive up unemployment?


Republican opposition to Obamacare is largely the result of politics, but there has been a philosophical shift as well with regards to government intervention. So some people have genuine reasons not to like it, especially libertarian-types. But mostly, it's political nonsense.
 
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