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2013-09-23 12:21:07 PM

phenn: what_now: phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.

Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.

But, this is FARK. And, here is where people come to create arguments out of thin air, using the most absurd nonsense they can pull out of their arses.

I'll get over it.

You have no idea what he does. Maybe he processed the passport that let you get on the plane to Costa Rica. Maybe, he's an FDA inspector. Maybe he's a cop, a firefighter or a soldier. You just heard "Works for government" and decided that he was a taker.

No. Wrong.

It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.


Rewind to last week when Boehner and the House GOP were set to temporarily raise the Debt Ceiling until December 15th and it was the Tea Party faction that torpedo'd that plan in favor of shutting down the government in order to force the de-funding of the ACA.  So if a government shutdown happens and this person you're vehemently against can't pay their bills, it is the direct result of the Tea Party's actions.  In what world would that NOT result in anger?
 
2013-09-23 12:21:18 PM

Dimensio: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.

Democrats advocated it.


Like I said, the discussion never gets that far. Incoherent rage is the point where it usually stops
 
2013-09-23 12:21:27 PM

Aristocles: Derwood: Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair

The bolded bit above is correct. No law is sacred.


If the losing side can nullify any legislation that passes the rule of law ceases to exist.

The GOP are acting like a bunch of nihilist morans.
 
2013-09-23 12:22:06 PM

phenn: what_now: phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.

Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.

But, this is FARK. And, here is where people come to create arguments out of thin air, using the most absurd nonsense they can pull out of their arses.

I'll get over it.

You have no idea what he does. Maybe he processed the passport that let you get on the plane to Costa Rica. Maybe, he's an FDA inspector. Maybe he's a cop, a firefighter or a soldier. You just heard "Works for government" and decided that he was a taker.

No. Wrong.

It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.


So you are a tea tard?
 
2013-09-23 12:22:31 PM

theknuckler_33: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?


"Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.
 
2013-09-23 12:23:11 PM

SpectroBoy: Aristocles: Derwood: Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair

The bolded bit above is correct. No law is sacred.

If the losing side can nullify any legislation that passes the rule of law ceases to exist.

The GOP are acting like a bunch of nihilist morans.


'acting' ? I don't think they're pretending to be a bunch of nihilistic morons....I think they actually ARE a bunch of nihilistic morons....well, the tea party is anyways.
 
2013-09-23 12:23:28 PM

Aristocles: Old and Busted: Farklibs defending the dems and attacking the GOP with arguments.

New Hotness: Call everyone a troll, then attack each other for responding to the supposed "troll."
 
Good for you, Farklibs.


Old and Busted: Fark Conservatards who actually funny

New Hotness: Fark Conservatrd trolls who are such a bore that I ignore them

Good for you, you've somehow lowered the bar when it was already on the ground.

GaryPDX, this is for you.
 
2013-09-23 12:23:32 PM

red5ish: mainstreet62: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.

I have family friends who are completely normal except for the fact that they're in the Tea Party, and this is 100% accurate.

Normal as in "He seemed like a normal, quiet guy."


No, normal as in, has sound advice for me when I talk to them (an older married couple) about what's going on in my life. They haven't steered me wrong yet.

I don't dare initiate politics discussions around them, because I don't need that headache. They know I don't buy into the Tea Party, but I'm as respectful as possible around them when they bring up politics, which is thankfully not often.
 
2013-09-23 12:24:29 PM

Tsuyoi: So if a government shutdown happens and this person you're vehemently against can't pay their bills, it is the direct result of the Tea Party's actions. In what world would that NOT result in anger?


A world where there is no federal government, and the states apparently pay for infrastructure from tolls.

IE, Paradice, libtards.
 
2013-09-23 12:24:46 PM
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2013-09-23 12:24:56 PM

phenn: "Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.


"Fark you, pay me for the work I do" is distinct from "Fark you, pay me for existing". The reason people are dogpiling is that you're equating the former with the latter solely because the employer is the government. You feel 'entitled' to the money you earn through your labor, yet criticize them for the money they feel they're 'entitled' to through their labor.
 
2013-09-23 12:25:03 PM

Fart_Machine: Zeb Hesselgresser: Copperbelly watersnake: I am really mystified as to what the Republican leadership hoped to gain here.

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It's gotta start some time

They just want to watch the world burn?


Nah, more like a game reset.  Republicans not weak!

www.nba.com

It's gotta be better than one party rule.
 
2013-09-23 12:25:59 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?

"Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.


No you troll, its "fark you, pay me for the work you are asking me to do. No one gets a free lunch and I gotta eat too."
 
2013-09-23 12:26:03 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

So, no taxes or government where you live?

No. There is no government here. No taxes and no civilization. I live in a tree and am typing this on a coconut. When the sun sets, I can hear the sounds of savages hunting crocodiles in the pitch.

YES, GENIUS. There is a government and there are taxes. Why do people insist on asking absurd questions?


OK Honest answer?

We want a laugh at the responses. Because you've taken a hilariously absurd position on the whole "taxes are stealing the fruits of my labor" thing and we're all pretty certain there's no way you have the intellectual integrity to admit that it's ridiculous and will instead say increasingly more ridiculous things to defend it. It helps pass the time.
 
2013-09-23 12:26:09 PM

sprawl15: phenn: "Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.

"Fark you, pay me for the work I do" is distinct from "Fark you, pay me for existing". The reason people are dogpiling is that you're equating the former with the latter solely because the employer is the government. You feel 'entitled' to the money you earn through your labor, yet criticize them for the money they feel they're 'entitled' to through their labor.


I thought "fark you pay me" was the GOP mantra? I don't see how the GOP can complain when anyone uses that line for any reason.
 
2013-09-23 12:26:46 PM

phenn: As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.


Look, I pay my taxes (which apparently pay my salary...which in turn gets taxes taken out to pay my salary....) and I give back to my country through the civil service (government work) so fark you. I have a real job. I'm a civilian researcher for the military. You'd be amazed just how much private work comes from government contracts. So pull your head out of your ass and realize that, yes, government employees are real people dealing with the same shiat as you, we just have Congress dictate our pay and when we work and not a CEO.
 
2013-09-23 12:26:56 PM

sprawl15: theknuckler_33: You're the one who started accusing people of being smug.

And you're not doing a very good job disproving it. If you have a problem with what I actually said, bring it up. Otherwise you're still just typing a lot without actually saying anything - you know, what I originally accused you of.


It is amusing for sprawl15 to accuse theknuckler_33 of being smug for something he wrote to phenn when phenn was being smug with the whole "I paid your salary, government worker... get a real job" derp. Since you just jumped in somewhere in the middle, I guess you didn't bother to see what was going on before using your own smugness to smugly accuse me of being smug. In other words, you're the smuggiest smugger who ever smugged.

/smug
 
2013-09-23 12:27:34 PM

Weaver95: I thought "fark you pay me" was the GOP mantra?


"Fark minorities, cut my taxes" is the canon version but of course there are regional variations
 
2013-09-23 12:28:42 PM

sprawl15: phenn: "Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.

"Fark you, pay me for the work I do" is distinct from "Fark you, pay me for existing". The reason people are dogpiling is that you're equating the former with the latter solely because the employer is the government. You feel 'entitled' to the money you earn through your labor, yet criticize them for the money they feel they're 'entitled' to through their labor.


So, an impasse?

There is a slight difference not to be missed. People who work for the government are paid by taxpayers who have no say in how much is paid or anything else. If I do a crap job, I don't get paid. If I cannot find project work, I don't get paid. That is on me. No one is being forced to pay me. Unlike him.
 
2013-09-23 12:29:58 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?

"Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.


Except that's not what was said, it was "I have bills to pay and you're not helping." I fail to see how worrying about the ramifications of suddenly having no job for an indeterminate amount of time just so some group can use you as leverage to get what they want is the fault of the employee.  You're simply reading into this what you want.
 
2013-09-23 12:30:01 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?

"Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.


Not for your own self-interest, for your derpy interpretation of his OP.  I'll say it again: Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.
 
2013-09-23 12:32:28 PM
I don't agree with the Teabaggers, but there is a small part of me that respects that they campaigned on the promise of stopping Obama and his "sushulism big government, big spending bonanza". They got elected on that promise, and by God, they aren't backing down an inch in their effort to deliver on that promise! Consequences be damned.

"I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism the Tea Party, Dude, at least it's an ethos."
 
2013-09-23 12:32:37 PM

sprawl15: Triple Oak: an island

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Secluded area?
 
2013-09-23 12:33:34 PM

mainstreet62: red5ish: mainstreet62: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.

I have family friends who are completely normal except for the fact that they're in the Tea Party, and this is 100% accurate.

Normal as in "He seemed like a normal, quiet guy."

No, normal as in, has sound advice for me when I talk to them (an older married couple) about what's going on in my life. They haven't steered me wrong yet.

I don't dare initiate politics discussions around them, because I don't need that headache. They know I don't buy into the Tea Party, but I'm as respectful as possible around them when they bring up politics, which is thankfully not often.


I was making a joke. I'm sure they're normal about most things. If you are open to sound advice please note that people who seem normal unless you bring up [fill in blank] then they become bat shiat crazy, you are describing unbalanced individuals. They may be able to help you fix your car or even help you fix your marriage, but there is something not quite right about them regarding [fill in blank].
 
2013-09-23 12:33:37 PM

Muta: HotWingConspiracy: This is how badly Cruz has farked this up.

And the Cruz Cult members are eating it up.  No matter how this ends, Cruz will come out the winner.


With...who? People who already supported him in the first place? Whoopty fark. The GOP spend so much time trying to please people who already support them no matter what that they don't reach out to people who can actually win them elections; i.e. swing voters.
 
2013-09-23 12:33:40 PM

Aristocles: The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.


www.acrossnowhere.net
Stop trying to make BOB happen.
It's NOT going to happen.
 
2013-09-23 12:34:20 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?

"Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.


It's more because you're telling someone with supposed self-interest "I disagree with your self-interest while my self-interest is much more important". We all have self-interest, but his has nothing to do with yours.
 
2013-09-23 12:34:41 PM

sprawl15: Weaver95: I thought "fark you pay me" was the GOP mantra?

"Fark minorities, cut my taxes" is the canon version but of course there are regional variations


Yes but my point is that the GOP believe greed is good. ALL greed is then good, no matter who is being greedy. CEO greed is just as valid as government employee greed. I don't see how any republican can complain if/when someone working for the fedgov gets greedy. All greed is good is their core belief.
 
2013-09-23 12:34:59 PM

grumpfuff: KhamanV: grumpfuff:
"Did you have any involvement in the mass murders committed by the Nazis in WW2?"
Upon pointing out that she was 29, and thus not alive when WW2 happened, the agent told her that didn't answer the question.

If the question is asking direct personal involvement, then the simple, non-smartass answer is 'no.'  If someone in her family directly profiteered or was involved with the Holocaust and she knows about it, then she might want to cough up the facts.  It's like they have laws on the books in Germany regarding Nazi atrocities or something.

Yes, a simple, non-smartass answer is no. That doesn't make it any less retarded to ask. The question was also being asked by American, not German, officials.

And nice subtle assumption that because she's German, her family probably supported the Nazis, btw. Way to go for the cheap points.


You're projecting some defensiveness, because I make absolutely no assumptions her family supported the Nazis, as they very likely did not.  My German family departed the country some years before the weird little shiat took power, so my sphere of perspective is tilted towards Germans that served in the US Navy.

It is an odd question, but a lot of odd questions and laws are on the books.  In the future answer 'no' and spare your butthurt for the series finale of Breaking Bad.
 
2013-09-23 12:35:27 PM

phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.


You know Costa Rica has universal health care right?
 
2013-09-23 12:37:10 PM

Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?


You don't know anything about how DC works, do you? For one thing, federal workers make lower wages than the standard for comparable positions in private industry. You want to know who makes the real money in our area? It's private contractors like SAIC, CACI, and Booz Allen, located across in Northern Virginia, not DC, who make the serious dough.
When mopes like you complain about "fatcat government workers", people who actually live and work here know you're full of shiat.
 
2013-09-23 12:37:34 PM

SpectroBoy: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

A) Stop trying to make BOB "a thing". You are embarrassing yourself.


Never heard that one before, herp.

B) The GOP is working towards nothing but hurting Obama.

That's incidental to their primary objective, namely, getting rid of Obamacare.

C) Farklib isn't "a thing" either and makes no sense w/ regard to "FARK Conservatives"

No one said it was supposed to be the same as "Fark Conservatives" or "Fark Republicans." A Fark Republican is someone who claims, in the same comment, to be a Republican and that he or she voted for Obama twice and blames the TEA Party for everything wrong with America. In other words, A Fark Republican is a flavor of Farklib.

D) Even Forbes magazine says calling Obamacare a "job killer" is a gross misrepresentation.

Well la-di-da.... if Forbes magazine has an op-ed saying that Obamacare might not kill as many jobs as projected then it must be true!

E) What is it with you guys and all the "forced down our throats: talk anyway?

You don't remember how BOB and the dems "passed" Obamacare, do you?
 
2013-09-23 12:37:44 PM

HotWingConspiracy: This is how badly Cruz has farked this up.

I like that this guy has been hyped as the future of the party.


I Iike how some establishment Republicans are accusing Cruz of being a liberal plant.
 
2013-09-23 12:37:46 PM

Weaver95: mainstreet62: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform ... It really doesn't make any sense. Its almost like they're in a cult or something. They even have their own weird little language and terminology for everything.


Come, not sure if serious.  Weaver know proponents believe basic health care is or should be a universal right.  They may look at a poor person in bad health -- say, suffering various ailments some of which were caused by bad life choices -- and feel primarily empathy or pity.  Opponents believe health care is a service that can be delivered most efficiently by a less centrally controlled or freer market.  The ACA creates a more regulated market for health care.  Opponents may look at the same person and feel less empathy (because they are all sociopaths?) and more a sense of resentment at being part of a collective that must help support the person.

Copperbelly watersnake: I am really mystified as to what the Republican leadership hoped to gain here.


Rand Paul is maneuvering for the 2016 nomination, we all agree about that.  A few days ago he made another play for the banner of 'R who can attract minority votes' by joining ACLU to call for the end of mandatory minimum sentencing in federal courts.  Here he tacks left of rival Cruz and appears politically more astute than Cruz by acknowledging that the threat to defund the health care law is merely a bargaining chip in the overall budget fight.
 
2013-09-23 12:38:25 PM

hubiestubert:  a President who speaks softly and lets you hit yourselves with your own stick


That is beautiful.
 
2013-09-23 12:38:34 PM

phenn: People who work for the government are paid by taxpayers who have no say in how much is paid or anything else.


You don't have a say in nearly any private sector business as to how much people are paid or anything else either; I don't demand Southwest to pay their pilots better because 'I pay their salary', and such a line of argument would seem outright silly to anyone listening. In fact, by virtue of the government being susceptible to legislative demands (rather than boardroom demands), the say you have in government employment is far greater than in the private sector. In the private sector, your only recourse is often a personal decision to boycott.

phenn: If I cannot find project work, I don't get paid. That is on me. No one is being forced to pay me.


If you cannot find project work because of your inability as an employee, you get fired. It's the same in the public sector. If you cannot find project work because of your employer's inability to get work, the employer is dissolved. Again, the same in the public sector.

The only real distinction is for required work where substandard service becomes mimetic (like the DMV). In those cases one could argue that they aren't being required to meet a high standard, but that's a very, very different argument than the one you're making via blanket statements like your OP.
 
2013-09-23 12:39:34 PM

Aristocles: You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.


Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-23 12:40:41 PM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


So you don't use public roads or any other government service ever? We do you feel entitled to have goverment services provided as a hand out for you and your family for free?
 
2013-09-23 12:40:51 PM

HeartBurnKid: phenn: It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.

You don't want to pay him for the work he does, and he's the taker.  Riiiiiiiight.


As a salaried employee, you either pay your mortgage with unicorn farts and faerie dust or you are a taker. Study it out.
 
2013-09-23 12:41:51 PM

Muta: Aristocles: You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.

Who is Bob?


Bob.
Bob's your uncle.
Uncle Sam.
President of the United States Barack Obama.
Barack OBama.
BOB
 
2013-09-23 12:43:18 PM

KhamanV: grumpfuff: KhamanV: grumpfuff:
"Did you have any involvement in the mass murders committed by the Nazis in WW2?"
Upon pointing out that she was 29, and thus not alive when WW2 happened, the agent told her that didn't answer the question.

If the question is asking direct personal involvement, then the simple, non-smartass answer is 'no.'  If someone in her family directly profiteered or was involved with the Holocaust and she knows about it, then she might want to cough up the facts.  It's like they have laws on the books in Germany regarding Nazi atrocities or something.

Yes, a simple, non-smartass answer is no. That doesn't make it any less retarded to ask. The question was also being asked by American, not German, officials.

And nice subtle assumption that because she's German, her family probably supported the Nazis, btw. Way to go for the cheap points.

You're projecting some defensiveness, because I make absolutely no assumptions her family supported the Nazis, as they very likely did not.  My German family departed the country some years before the weird little shiat took power, so my sphere of perspective is tilted towards Germans that served in the US Navy.

It is an odd question, but a lot of odd questions and laws are on the books.  In the future answer 'no' and spare your butthurt for the series finale of Breaking Bad.


I'm probably about to say something that is going to infuriate you, and most of Fark.


I lost interest in Breaking Bad awhile ago.

/runs and hides
 
2013-09-23 12:43:20 PM

SpectroBoy: Aristocles: The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

[www.acrossnowhere.net image 624x200]
Stop trying to make BOB happen.
It's NOT going to happen.


Who's the blonde?
 
2013-09-23 12:44:20 PM

SpectroBoy: phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.

You know Costa Rica has universal health care right?


And a lot more socialism and government than the US has. I wonder if he went to Costa Rica on Rush's suggestion?
 
2013-09-23 12:44:47 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Muta: Aristocles: You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.

Who is Bob?

Bob.
Bob's your uncle.
Uncle Sam.
President of the United States Barack Obama.
Barack OBama.
BOB


That's pretty silly.
 
2013-09-23 12:45:00 PM

Aristocles: SpectroBoy: Aristocles: The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

[www.acrossnowhere.net image 624x200]
Stop trying to make BOB happen.
It's NOT going to happen.

Who's the blonde?


A viable meme.
 
2013-09-23 12:45:10 PM

thurstonxhowell: phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?

How long do you think Costa Rica would remain an independent state if the US military did not exist?


Well, I don't believe you currently provide them with much. About 21 million in total aid since 2009. That includes everything. Prior to 2009 I believe they received little or nothing since they resisted US demands that all US citizens should have ICC immunity.
 
2013-09-23 12:45:39 PM

what_now: phenn: It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.

The fact that he wants to get paid for doing his job makes you think he's a taker?


that and I just want to do my job without having to worry that Washington is going to delay that or outright fark with it. As it is, we can barely schedule projects to go beyond the fiscal year because we don't know what the hell we have for money because the government has been running on FY2010 budgetary numbers for the last 4 years
 
2013-09-23 12:46:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SpectroBoy: phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.

You know Costa Rica has universal health care right?

And a lot more socialism and government than the US has. I wonder if he went to Costa Rica on Rush's suggestion?


May I ask where you got this information?
 
2013-09-23 12:46:14 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.


If the people whose jobs are being held hostage - instead of those people who are holding their job hostage - draw your ire, you, little biatch, are nothing more than a sociopath.  Kindly EABOD and DIAF.

Put simply:  what if we made it so that your job and paycheck was contingent on us being able to bomb France?  Would you just shut up and take it, or would you complain your ass off?
 
2013-09-23 12:46:25 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Muta: Aristocles: You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.

Who is Bob?

Bob.
Bob's your uncle.
Uncle Sam.
President of the United States Barack Obama.
Barack OBama.
BOB


BO for Barack Obama would be a better insult since BO is also used for Body Odor.
 
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