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(Huffington Post)   RAND PAUL: Yeah....the party is pretty much hosed with this impossible defunding Obamacare thing. Welp, it was both a pleasure and a nightmare knowing you people   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 484
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2013-09-23 08:11:57 AM
As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters
 
2013-09-23 08:18:02 AM

somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters


Even better sitting out here in Afghanistan and having your pay suddenly stop.  Makes managing things at home from thousands of miles away REAL easy.
 
2013-09-23 08:22:22 AM

CPT Ethanolic: Even better sitting out here in Afghanistan and having your pay suddenly stop. Makes managing things at home from thousands of miles away REAL easy.


I can't imagine how "easy" it is. Maybe we could put you in Congress and send them over there...nah, that would never work. They'd shiat their pants waaaaaaaay before they even got on the plane
 
2013-09-23 08:28:23 AM

somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters


I was promised by fox news dot com that the sequester was actually going to be good for the country because...well, I don't think they gave a reason, I think they just pointed out that Obama didn't want it so it had to be good, but yeah. That's good enough for me and mine.
 
2013-09-23 08:34:53 AM
When will "welp" die?
 
2013-09-23 08:34:57 AM
FTFA: Some Senate Republicans, including would-be 2016 presidential rivals Ted Cruz of Texas and Marco Rubio of Florida, have said they would vote to refuse to pay for the health care law, even if it meant shutting down portions of the government. Paul has called closing down the government "a dumb idea."


RINO!!!
 
2013-09-23 08:50:12 AM
Well shutting down the government would interfere with the Medicare payments his medical practice depends on
 
2013-09-23 09:06:04 AM
This sequester thing reminds me of last week, when I went through customs at Dulles. The line for immigration was long, but immigration was pretty well staffed. By the time you got to the customs checkpoint, there were  two agents and  three planeloads of people trying to make a connection. Thanks, Obama.

Slaxl: When will "welp" die?


Welp, y'know, it's just a filler word. Like, um, "like", and uh... "hmmm", or "y'know"... er..., so, well, it's going to stick around, because it's a simple monosyllable that conveys no information but breaks up speech giving the speaker more time to think and giving the audience more time to process.

//Seriously, though, the experience was miserable enough that I found myself wondering why on Earth I came back to the US after vacation.
//"Welcome to the United States. Go fark yourself."
 
2013-09-23 09:11:07 AM

t3knomanser: Welp, y'know, it's just a filler word. Like, um, "like", and uh... "hmmm", or "y'know"... er..., so, well, it's going to stick around, because it's a simple monosyllable that conveys no information but breaks up speech giving the speaker more time to think and giving the audience more time to process


less filler word and more like "well" but in a dialect I'm not quite sure where it's from
 
2013-09-23 09:11:23 AM
"I'm acknowledging we can't probably defeat or get rid of Obamacare," he said. "But by starting with our position of not funding it, maybe we get to a position where we make it less bad."

Umm...yeahhh.  I'd really like to know how you get from point A to B.
 
2013-09-23 09:29:09 AM

Diogenes: "I'm acknowledging we can't probably defeat or get rid of Obamacare," he said. "But by starting with our position of not funding it, maybe we get to a position where we make it less bad."

Umm...yeahhh.  I'd really like to know how you get from point A to B.


It may not be about Obamacare at all, I think they want the Keystone XL pipeline built.
 
2013-09-23 09:29:43 AM
I love watching my government fight tooth and nail for years just to get to the starting point of governing.
 
2013-09-23 09:39:10 AM
These tards should cut their own benefits and premium health care first... show us how it is done; tea pots. Then I'll listen to them about cutting mine.

Also "Paul said Republicans still expect members to fight the law, which national polls show only about a third of Americans support. "

Only one third support it? Or is that a quote of what he "believes".
 
2013-09-23 09:41:47 AM

KarmicDisaster: Only one third support it? Or is that a quote of what he "believes".


Depends on the phrasing. "Do you support the socialist Obamacare takeover?" polls much lower than "Do you support ?".
 
2013-09-23 09:43:49 AM
Its fascinating watching the GOP destroy themselves over the ACA. I think they're more upset that Obama beat them than they are about the legislation itself.
 
2013-09-23 09:44:27 AM

sprawl15: KarmicDisaster: Only one third support it? Or is that a quote of what he "believes".

Depends on the phrasing. "Do you support the socialist Obamacare takeover?" polls much lower than "Do you support [list of things that Obamacare actually does]?".


/forgot fark gets antsy around angle brackets
 
2013-09-23 09:45:35 AM
This is RAND PAUL trying to salvage his 2016 Presidential run.  Ted Cruz is going full derp ahead on this, and so RAND PAUL wants to be able to just sit back, let Cruz destroy himself, and then move in on his supporters.
 
2013-09-23 09:46:08 AM

sprawl15: KarmicDisaster: Only one third support it? Or is that a quote of what he "believes".

Depends on the phrasing. "Do you support the socialist Obamacare takeover?" polls much lower than "Do you support ?".


How about "Do you believe the government should defund Obamacare?"

If that's the question, a majority of Americans say "No, Obamacare should not be defunded."


Survey says : The GOP is lying again
 
2013-09-23 09:46:32 AM

CPT Ethanolic: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

Even better sitting out here in Afghanistan and having your pay suddenly stop.  Makes managing things at home from thousands of miles away REAL easy.


That's just farking ridiculous. I sympathize.
 
2013-09-23 09:46:49 AM

CPT Ethanolic: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

Even better sitting out here in Afghanistan and having your pay suddenly stop.  Makes managing things at home from thousands of miles away REAL easy.


Because not paying soldiers in the field always ends well....the Romans tried that a couple times and the guys who did it ended up quite dead afterwards.
 
2013-09-23 09:47:39 AM

Weaver95: Its fascinating watching the GOP destroy themselves over the ACA. I think they're more upset that Obama beat them than they are about the legislation itself.


I'd bet it's a lot more that Obama keeps pitching traditionally Republican ideas. It's kind of hard to play partisan politics when he's just reading out of their book from 10-20 years ago.
 
2013-09-23 09:47:41 AM
Dear Fed Employees & Military: We don't care about your bills or your problems. Private-sector America has it's own problems. STFU & GBTW.
Signed,
America.
 
2013-09-23 09:48:20 AM

sprawl15: Weaver95: Its fascinating watching the GOP destroy themselves over the ACA. I think they're more upset that Obama beat them than they are about the legislation itself.

I'd bet it's a lot more that Obama keeps pitching traditionally Republican ideas. It's kind of hard to play partisan politics when he's just reading out of their book from 10-20 years ago.


And I think it's driving them crazy.
 
2013-09-23 09:49:00 AM
When Rand Paul is starting to sound like the voice of reason, your party is in trouble.
 
2013-09-23 09:50:03 AM
I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.
 
2013-09-23 09:51:03 AM
I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.
 
2013-09-23 09:51:14 AM

max_pooper: sprawl15: KarmicDisaster: Only one third support it? Or is that a quote of what he "believes".

Depends on the phrasing. "Do you support the socialist Obamacare takeover?" polls much lower than "Do you support ?".

How about "Do you believe the government should defund Obamacare?"

If that's the question, a majority of Americans say "No, Obamacare should not be defunded."


Survey says : The GOP is lying again


Please provide reference to the unskewed survey results.
 
2013-09-23 09:52:01 AM

Cletus C.: When Rand Paul is starting to sound like the voice of reason, your party is in trouble.


Someone finally went to ideologically hardline for a Paul.
 
2013-09-23 09:52:38 AM

LasersHurt: Cletus C.: When Rand Paul is starting to sound like the voice of reason, your party is in trouble.

Someone finally went to ideologically hardline for a Paul.


Fk. "Too"
 
2013-09-23 09:53:13 AM

somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters


As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?
 
2013-09-23 09:53:40 AM

Weaver95: Its fascinating watching the GOP destroy themselves over the ACA. I think they're more upset that Obama beat them than they are about the legislation itself.


That's exactly it. The GOP is throwing a temper tantrum because a Democrat got elected.
 
2013-09-23 09:53:43 AM

KingKauff: I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.


Makes sense tho. To evangecals, helping the sick/poor means you encourage moral weakness. I didn't say that sort of things makes sense mind you, only that the GOP belief structure is farked
 
2013-09-23 09:54:25 AM

KingKauff: I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.


Lowering the number of people who use the ER as primary care, making sure everyone is vaccinated will help everyone. Doing away with pre-existing condition denials and lifetime limits will help most people.
 
2013-09-23 09:54:40 AM
 maybe we get to a position where we make it less bad."

Rand Paul's version of less bad? oh wow!
 
2013-09-23 09:54:59 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Dear Fed Employees & Military: We don't care about your bills or your problems. Private-sector America has it's own problems. STFU & GBTW.


Yeah, about that GBTW comment... you are aware of what a government shutdown is, yes?
 
2013-09-23 09:56:53 AM
This is how badly Cruz has farked this up.

I like that this guy has been hyped as the future of the party.
 
2013-09-23 09:57:35 AM

Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?


Describe one thing that Obama has done that has "Screwed you over". Not something you THINK he's done, or not something you are afraid will happen, one real life example.
 
2013-09-23 09:59:46 AM

t3knomanser: //"Welcome to the United States. I got mine. Go fark yourself."


FTFY
 
2013-09-23 09:59:54 AM
We Probably Can't Get Rid Of Obamacare

Probably?
 
2013-09-23 10:01:28 AM

somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters


I don't know about that. The deficit is as low as it has been in ages and the debt looks manageable. Hell, if we just shut the government down every year when we run out of funding, maybe, just maybe, we will actually raise taxes and cut discretionary spending to the point that we no longer have a deficit.

Pop quiz. What is the largest catagory of discretionary spending we currently have on the books?
 
2013-09-23 10:02:01 AM

what_now: Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?

Describe one thing that Obama has done that has "Screwed you over". Not something you THINK he's done, or not something you are afraid will happen, one real life example.


Barry Soberto Obama went back in time and kicked off 30+ years of wage stagnation in the middle class by reading his fake birf certificate backwards while pooping on the constitution.
 
2013-09-23 10:03:23 AM

Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.


In what sense did conservatives lose? Their opponents adopted heritage foundation insanity as their health plan and then ran it across the goal line. Even now with only the house in their hands the most you can say is that conservatives probably wont be able to fark it up even more.

Liberals, uhhhh... didn't look as silly?
 
2013-09-23 10:05:35 AM

sprawl15: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I was promised by fox news dot com that the sequester was actually going to be good for the country because...well, I don't think they gave a reason, I think they just pointed out that Obama didn't want it so it had to be good, but yeah. That's good enough for me and mine.


Obama didn't want the sequester?

It was his idea, of course he wanted it.

I'm told on Fark by FarkLibs at least five times a day that Barack "BOBby Fisher" Obama plays 4th dimension chess. He new the sequester was bad, and new Dim's wouldn't be n'sync with R's on a deal. It stands to reason that new kids on the block of the TeaPartyPatriots wouldn't extend the debt ceiling again, as America shouldn't, but Obama new they wouldn't.

When all that happens there is only one direction to go he will institute martial sharia law and appoint himself King as America burns under 98 degrees heat next summer. At that point theres no turning back. Street boys in the new black panthers will run our local governments.
 
2013-09-23 10:05:56 AM

Ned Stark: In what sense did conservatives lose?


The party is irreparably shattered, like a plane breaking up in flight. Don't confuse their continued momentum with actual control.
 
2013-09-23 10:07:06 AM

Ned Stark: In what sense did conservatives lose?


Their team didn't get it done.  That all that counts you know, who scored the votes, not actually if the votes actually do anything worthwhile.
 
2013-09-23 10:07:11 AM
RAND PAUL: "...you people ..."
 
2013-09-23 10:07:21 AM

vernonFL: Diogenes: "I'm acknowledging we can't probably defeat or get rid of Obamacare," he said. "But by starting with our position of not funding it, maybe we get to a position where we make it less bad."

Umm...yeahhh.  I'd really like to know how you get from point A to B.

It may not be about Obamacare at all, I think they want the Keystone XL pipeline built.


Serious question: did they ever submit an alternative route for approval? Last I heard the legislature and Governor of Nebraska would not approve the suggested route and TransCanada said they were working on developing an alternate route. It just seems crazy to me if it gets building approval before they even have a route for the pipeline that the states will agree to.
 
2013-09-23 10:08:09 AM
Some provisions, Paul said, include removing caps on health savings account contributions or deductibles for health policies.

I want to be against him here but I would like the HSA limit to be higher.  Am I missing something, like to have a higher limit you have to forego insurance?
 
2013-09-23 10:08:09 AM

fsud: sprawl15: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I was promised by fox news dot com that the sequester was actually going to be good for the country because...well, I don't think they gave a reason, I think they just pointed out that Obama didn't want it so it had to be good, but yeah. That's good enough for me and mine.

Obama didn't want the sequester?

It was his idea, of course he wanted it.

I'm told on Fark by FarkLibs at least five times a day that Barack "BOBby Fisher" Obama plays 4th dimension chess. He new the sequester was bad, and new Dim's wouldn't be n'sync with R's on a deal. It stands to reason that new kids on the block of the TeaPartyPatriots wouldn't extend the debt ceiling again, as America shouldn't, but Obama new they wouldn't.

When all that happens there is only one direction to go he will institute martial sharia law and appoint himself King as America burns under 98 degrees heat next summer. At that point theres no turning back. Street boys in the new black panthers will run our local governments.


2013-06-20 08:24:25

At least have the guts to use your regular account.
 
2013-09-23 10:08:12 AM

fsud: It was his idea, of course he wanted it.


Was that the 2% that Representative Boehner did not want?
 
2013-09-23 10:08:45 AM

Slaves2Darkness: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I don't know about that. The deficit is as low as it has been in ages and the debt looks manageable. Hell, if we just shut the government down every year when we run out of funding, maybe, just maybe, we will actually raise taxes and cut discretionary spending to the point that we no longer have a deficit.

Pop quiz. What is the largest catagory of discretionary spending we currently have on the books?


NPR?
 
2013-09-23 10:09:18 AM

Slaves2Darkness: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I don't know about that. The deficit is as low as it has been in ages and the debt looks manageable. Hell, if we just shut the government down every year when we run out of funding, maybe, just maybe, we will actually raise taxes and cut discretionary spending to the point that we no longer have a deficit.

Pop quiz. What is the largest catagory of discretionary spending we currently have on the books?


Your definition of "ages" differs from mine.

Kind of like an alcoholic that is down to a 24 pack a day.

// We could cut the entire discretionary budget, and barely be in the black, temporarily, not counting the economic impact of doing so.
// But starting another war is no way to cut Defense.
 
2013-09-23 10:09:26 AM

Cletus C.: Slaves2Darkness: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I don't know about that. The deficit is as low as it has been in ages and the debt looks manageable. Hell, if we just shut the government down every year when we run out of funding, maybe, just maybe, we will actually raise taxes and cut discretionary spending to the point that we no longer have a deficit.

Pop quiz. What is the largest catagory of discretionary spending we currently have on the books?

NPR?


You are mistaken. The correct answer is "ACORN".
 
2013-09-23 10:10:46 AM

born_yesterday: At least have the guts to use your regular account.

fsud: n'sync


fsud: new kids on the block


fsud: 98 degrees


fsud: back. Street boys

 
2013-09-23 10:10:55 AM

fsud: sprawl15: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I was promised by fox news dot com that the sequester was actually going to be good for the country because...well, I don't think they gave a reason, I think they just pointed out that Obama didn't want it so it had to be good, but yeah. That's good enough for me and mine.

Obama didn't want the sequester?

It was his idea, of course he wanted it.

I'm told on Fark by FarkLibs at least five times a day that Barack "BOBby Fisher" Obama plays 4th dimension chess. He new the sequester was bad, and new Dim's wouldn't be n'sync with R's on a deal. It stands to reason that new kids on the block of the TeaPartyPatriots wouldn't extend the debt ceiling again, as America shouldn't, but Obama new they wouldn't.

When all that happens there is only one direction to go he will institute martial sharia law and appoint himself King as America burns under 98 degrees heat next summer. At that point theres no turning back. Street boys in the new black panthers will run our local governments.


Son, I knew StopArrestingMe. StopArrestingMe is a friend of mine.

You're no StopArrestingMe.
 
2013-09-23 10:12:55 AM

sprawl15: born_yesterday: At least have the guts to use your regular account.
fsud: n'sync

fsud: new kids on the block

fsud: 98 degrees

fsud: back. Street boys


I got served.
 
2013-09-23 10:13:05 AM
FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!
 
2013-09-23 10:13:32 AM

fsud: sprawl15: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I was promised by fox news dot com that the sequester was actually going to be good for the country because...well, I don't think they gave a reason, I think they just pointed out that Obama didn't want it so it had to be good, but yeah. That's good enough for me and mine.

Obama didn't want the sequester?

It was his idea, of course he wanted it.

I'm told on Fark by FarkLibs at least five times a day that Barack "BOBby Fisher" Obama plays 4th dimension chess. He new the sequester was bad, and new Dim's wouldn't be n'sync with R's on a deal. It stands to reason that new kids on the block of the TeaPartyPatriots wouldn't extend the debt ceiling again, as America shouldn't, but Obama new they wouldn't.

When all that happens there is only one direction to go he will institute martial sharia law and appoint himself King as America burns under 98 degrees heat next summer. At that point theres no turning back. Street boys in the new black panthers will run our local governments.


I served with StopArrestingMe. I knew StopArrestingMe. StopArrestingMe was a friend of mine. fsud, you're no StopArrestingMe.
 
2013-09-23 10:14:04 AM

what_now: Son, I knew StopArrestingMe. StopArrestingMe is a friend of mine.

You're no StopArrestingMe.


Eh, give him some slack.  It was not best, but he may be better next time.   At any rate, I've not seen SAM in a while with one of these.
 
2013-09-23 10:14:36 AM

Ned Stark: Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.

In what sense did conservatives lose? Their opponents adopted heritage foundation insanity as their health plan and then ran it across the goal line. Even now with only the house in their hands the most you can say is that conservatives probably wont be able to fark it up even more.

Liberals, uhhhh... didn't look as silly?


I didn't say it made any sort of sense. I just said that the GOP hates to admit they lost the fight on the ACA to a black man in the white house. Draw what conclusions you want from that.
 
2013-09-23 10:14:49 AM

fsud: I'm told on Fark by FarkLibs at least five times a day that Barack "BOBby Fisher" Obama plays 4th dimension chess. He new the sequester was bad, and new Dim's wouldn't be n'sync with R's on a deal. It stands to reason that new kids on the block of the TeaPartyPatriots wouldn't extend the debt ceiling again, as America shouldn't, but Obama new they wouldn't.

When all that happens there is only one direction to go he will institute martial sharia law and appoint himself King as America burns under 98 degrees heat next summer. At that point theres no turning back. Street boys in the new black panthers will run our local governments.

Did I miss any?
 
2013-09-23 10:15:14 AM

Mrbogey: As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?


we get paid far less than the private sector, we're often the first people to get hit with these economic decisions. We're the ones that get furloughed, we're the ones who actually have it against the freakin' law to do our jobs during these times. When we can't work, it farks over the private sector. Ours is oftentimes the first ripple in this ripple effect, with private industry not feeling the brunt of the problem until weeks or months later
 
2013-09-23 10:16:03 AM

what_now: fsud: sprawl15: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I was promised by fox news dot com that the sequester was actually going to be good for the country because...well, I don't think they gave a reason, I think they just pointed out that Obama didn't want it so it had to be good, but yeah. That's good enough for me and mine.

Obama didn't want the sequester?

It was his idea, of course he wanted it.

I'm told on Fark by FarkLibs at least five times a day that Barack "BOBby Fisher" Obama plays 4th dimension chess. He new the sequester was bad, and new Dim's wouldn't be n'sync with R's on a deal. It stands to reason that new kids on the block of the TeaPartyPatriots wouldn't extend the debt ceiling again, as America shouldn't, but Obama new they wouldn't.

When all that happens there is only one direction to go he will institute martial sharia law and appoint himself King as America burns under 98 degrees heat next summer. At that point theres no turning back. Street boys in the new black panthers will run our local governments.

Son, I knew StopArrestingMe. StopArrestingMe is a friend of mine.

You're no StopArrestingMe.


Dammit, you beat me to it.
 
2013-09-23 10:16:57 AM

what_now: KingKauff: I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.

Lowering the number of people who use the ER as primary care, making sure everyone is vaccinated will help everyone. Doing away with pre-existing condition denials and lifetime limits will help most people.


As will requiring health insurance companies to spend at least a specified percentage on health care and not profits.
 
2013-09-23 10:19:05 AM

Ned Stark: Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.

In what sense did conservatives lose? Their opponents adopted heritage foundation insanity as their health plan and then ran it across the goal line. Even now with only the house in their hands the most you can say is that conservatives probably wont be able to fark it up even more.

Liberals, uhhhh... didn't look as silly?


I agree with you yet the conservatives certainly act as if they've been pounded into the dirt and pissed upon.

It's like the chemical weapons in Syria.   Peacefully removing the weapons from Syria is about the best outcome the international community could hope, and we've got people biatching about how Putin somehow embarrassed the U.S. as if it would be better to risk soldiers lives and kill civilians just to make Putin look bad.
 
2013-09-23 10:23:12 AM

sdd2000: what_now: KingKauff: I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.

Lowering the number of people who use the ER as primary care, making sure everyone is vaccinated will help everyone. Doing away with pre-existing condition denials and lifetime limits will help most people.

As will requiring health insurance companies to spend at least a specified percentage on health care and not profits.


And remember....actually paying for health care is considered evil. Apparently we aren't supposed to cut CEO pay under any circumstances ever.
 
2013-09-23 10:25:21 AM

Weaver95: sdd2000: what_now: KingKauff: I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.

Lowering the number of people who use the ER as primary care, making sure everyone is vaccinated will help everyone. Doing away with pre-existing condition denials and lifetime limits will help most people.

As will requiring health insurance companies to spend at least a specified percentage on health care and not profits.

And remember....actually paying for health care is considered evil. Apparently we aren't supposed to cut CEO pay under any circumstances ever.


Well...using corporate money collected to pay for health care to...ya know, pay for health care is considered evil. We're supposed to let the CEO use that money to buy a trophy wife and a new yacht.
 
2013-09-23 10:26:46 AM

Weaver95: to buy a trophy wife and a new yacht.


How dare you infringe on our god-given right to buy a trophy yacht and ride a new wife!
 
2013-09-23 10:27:01 AM

t3knomanser: This sequester thing reminds me of last week, when I went through customs at Dulles. The line for immigration was long, but immigration was pretty well staffed. By the time you got to the customs checkpoint, there were  two agents and  three planeloads of people trying to make a connection. Thanks, Obama.

Slaxl: When will "welp" die?

Welp, y'know, it's just a filler word. Like, um, "like", and uh... "hmmm", or "y'know"... er..., so, well, it's going to stick around, because it's a simple monosyllable that conveys no information but breaks up speech giving the speaker more time to think and giving the audience more time to process.

//Seriously, though, the experience was miserable enough that I found myself wondering why on Earth I came back to the US after vacation.
//"Welcome to the United States. Go fark yourself."


We've experienced that same feeling...most recently after arriving home after a trip to Scotland, but the worst time was coming back from Japan.

And yet the dickhole guy at the border crossing into Montana, with a million and one questions, etc.got us feeling all happy after he handed us our papers back and smiled (for the first time I the whole exchange) and said
'welcome home.'
 
2013-09-23 10:27:09 AM

sprawl15: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I was promised by fox news dot com that the sequester was actually going to be good for the country because...well, I don't think they gave a reason, I think they just pointed out that Obama didn't want it so it had to be good, but yeah. That's good enough for me and mine.


Sigh....and the TeaTards thought Romney losing was bad.  Wait 'till they get a load of next year's election results.  "Apoplectic" might be too inadequate as a term for their reaction.
 
2013-09-23 10:27:54 AM

Weaver95: Its fascinating watching the GOP destroy themselves over the ACA. I think they're more upset that Obama beat them than they are about the legislation itself.


Wind the clock about about 20 years, and they had the same reaction when Clinton got the best of them.
 
2013-09-23 10:28:46 AM
He thinks the position of not funding it will help get them what they want... despite that the only way to do so is to threaten to shut down the government, which he considers "a dumb idea".

And sadly, he may be one of the foremost minds in the Tea Party faction.
 
2013-09-23 10:28:57 AM

Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!


Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.
 
2013-09-23 10:29:31 AM

Weaver95: sprawl15: Weaver95: Its fascinating watching the GOP destroy themselves over the ACA. I think they're more upset that Obama beat them than they are about the legislation itself.

I'd bet it's a lot more that Obama keeps pitching traditionally Republican ideas. It's kind of hard to play partisan politics when he's just reading out of their book from 10-20 years ago.

And I think it's driving them crazy.


It's the method to his madness:  Trot out GOP ideas that mainstream Americans accept, then watch the GOP go apeshiat over it.
 
2013-09-23 10:30:32 AM
Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair
 
2013-09-23 10:30:48 AM

Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?


Yup expanding healthcare is a dumb idea. Go play in traffic now.
 
2013-09-23 10:32:19 AM

somedude210: Mrbogey: As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?

we get paid far less than the private sector, we're often the first people to get hit with these economic decisions. We're the ones that get furloughed, we're the ones who actually have it against the freakin' law to do our jobs during these times. When we can't work, it farks over the private sector. Ours is oftentimes the first ripple in this ripple effect, with private industry not feeling the brunt of the problem until weeks or months later


His private sector job is shilling on FARK for the GOP. Give the guy a break.
 
2013-09-23 10:32:37 AM

Derwood: Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair


The bolded bit above is correct. No law is sacred.
 
2013-09-23 10:32:42 AM

Weaver95: Its fascinating watching the GOP destroy themselves over the ACA. I think they're more upset that Obama beat them than they are about the legislation itself.


Have you read the ACA?  I don't think they lost at all, they just didn't outright win.  The fact that we have something like the ACA is a victory in that it begins to officially admit that health care in this country is fundamentally broken, from which point maybe some solutions can be found now that the problem has been omitted.  I very much doubt that ACA as written is going to be that solution.  Some of the fallout from the "improvements" and "compromises" made to it are going to cause much misery.
 
2013-09-23 10:33:16 AM
Is it just me or has everything conservatives have tried to do in the last 15 years ended in failure?  And managed to cost the public trillions.  Iraq?  Afghanistan?  Fighting Obamacare?  Trying to manage the US economy.

Is there anything they are capable of beyond pooping their pants?  I realize that they are all intentionally ignorant, but they must have gotten something right over the last two decades.

/getting morons to vote for you is not success, it just means that you are from a red state
 
2013-09-23 10:34:06 AM
This is what happens when you send faux-ideologues to Congress, as opposed to competent legislators.

I get it. Folks are upset that the Libbiest Libs Who Ever Libbed a Lib have seats, and a President who speaks softly and lets you hit yourselves with your own stick, but at some point, maybe folks might want to STOP giving them ammunition to dun you with. Especially when the plan you oppose so much, was the pretty much the plan that you put forward a few years ago, and your Presidential nominee actually signed into law already.

I am NOT a fan of the ACA. It is a giveaway to the insurance industry, though less of one that Romney put forward in Mass--and perhaps THAT is the real feature that folks who are leading this "fight" have: it doesn't just give huge amounts of government cash directly to the middlemen to dole out at their leisure and a huge opportunities to turn that cash into interest elsewhere. It is still an awfully big giveaway that we might better use by not shuffling it between bank to bank to bank, and maybe actually see it in circulation. That was the modification that got it to pass though, and it still offers a better course than: hope y'all don't get sick and die. There's still a lot to do: mental health care in the nation has been gutted, jobs are still sparse, and the current model for "growth" apparently is more of the same house of cards shuffling and an assisted market model that only benefits a few, as opposed to opening up markets for real competition. For folks who claim that they want to see a free market, they are digging their heels in damn hard to prevent real competition and actual entrepreneurs to enter said markets. Coupled with a damning "law and order" mentality that shackles local, state, and the Fed to wasting millions upon untold millions on keeping a dollars flowing to private prisons, attorneys, and a seizure plan that allows looting of the public coffers and skimming directly from human misery, and we have some issues still to deal with at home, and yet, folks seem bent on getting us involved in every conflict across the globe, and then cry and wail when someone suggests something that WON'T get a lot of folks killed, and wail when the President might actually take a firm line. Then again, it does go back to the idea that mental health care is in serious jeopardy in this nation, and sadly, more than a few of our legislators, despite being well covered at this point for such care, they won't avail themselves to it, and their families are loathe to get them committed to save not just themselves, but the nation that they imperil....
 
2013-09-23 10:36:34 AM

somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters


It's already having a negative effect.   Everyone in my office if freaking out about a potential shutdown.
 
2013-09-23 10:37:36 AM

Aristocles: BOB


Who's Bob?
 
2013-09-23 10:37:45 AM

Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.


Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-23 10:38:33 AM

Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?


Wtf are you on about?
 
2013-09-23 10:38:48 AM
I don't like the look of this doorknob in my house.

Time to set the whole farking thing on fire.
 
2013-09-23 10:38:57 AM

rosebud_the_sled: Is it just me or has everything conservatives have tried to do in the last 15 years ended in failure?  And managed to cost the public trillions.  Iraq?  Afghanistan?  Fighting Obamacare?  Trying to manage the US economy.

Is there anything they are capable of beyond pooping their pants?  I realize that they are all intentionally ignorant, but they must have gotten something right over the last two decades.

/getting morons to vote for you is not success, it just means that you are from a red state


The rebuttal is that they "weren't True Conservatives".
 
2013-09-23 10:40:39 AM

Derwood: Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair


And this is why the reasonable leaders from each party will make sure that the extremists on the GOP side will not succeed or if they do, they will be punished.

It is kind of like how the stock market is now driven by quarterly gains and not any reasonable look at the economic future and a roadmap of sustainability.  If you look behind the curtain, it is the same 'job creators' pushing both ideas.
 
2013-09-23 10:41:53 AM
The Senate GOP will have to filibuster against a bill the Republican House majority voted on to defund Obamacare.

That's where we are now.
 
2013-09-23 10:41:54 AM

PanicMan: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

It's already having a negative effect.   Everyone in my office if freaking out about a potential shutdown.


No one here has any idea what the hell is going to happen.  Not quite freaking out, but I am certainly at the point of "let's get on with it, then!".
 
2013-09-23 10:42:08 AM

DirkValentine: Wtf are you on about?


Obama invented the DMV and it's his fault that it sucks.
 
2013-09-23 10:44:09 AM

themindiswatching: Aristocles: BOB

Who's Bob?


It's been so long, I forget.  Who's the idiot that kept referring to Obama with the number?  "0bama"?
 
2013-09-23 10:44:28 AM

sprawl15: born_yesterday: At least have the guts to use your regular account.
fsud: n'sync

fsud: new kids on the block

fsud: 98 degrees

fsud: back. Street boys


You missed "one direction".
 
2013-09-23 10:45:01 AM

PanicMan: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

It's already having a negative effect.   Everyone in my office if freaking out about a potential shutdown.


The Republican party is hoping that the people in your office will blame the Democrats.
 
2013-09-23 10:46:24 AM

Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.


Who the hell is BOB?
 
2013-09-23 10:46:38 AM

fsud: sprawl15: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I was promised by fox news dot com that the sequester was actually going to be good for the country because...well, I don't think they gave a reason, I think they just pointed out that Obama didn't want it so it had to be good, but yeah. That's good enough for me and mine.

Obama didn't want the sequester?

It was his idea, of course he wanted it.

I'm told on Fark by FarkLibs at least five times a day that Barack "BOBby Fisher" Obama plays 4th dimension chess. He new the sequester was bad, and new Dim's wouldn't be n'sync with R's on a deal. It stands to reason that new kids on the block of the TeaPartyPatriots wouldn't extend the debt ceiling again, as America shouldn't, but Obama new they wouldn't.

When all that happens there is only one direction to go he will institute martial sharia law and appoint himself King as America burns under 98 degrees heat next summer. At that point theres no turning back. Street boys in the new black panthers will run our local governments.


Trolling I see... well, you got some bites. Carry on.
 
2013-09-23 10:47:15 AM

Graffito: Ned Stark: Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.

In what sense did conservatives lose? Their opponents adopted heritage foundation insanity as their health plan and then ran it across the goal line. Even now with only the house in their hands the most you can say is that conservatives probably wont be able to fark it up even more.

Liberals, uhhhh... didn't look as silly?

I agree with you yet the conservatives certainly act as if they've been pounded into the dirt and pissed upon.

It's like the chemical weapons in Syria.   Peacefully removing the weapons from Syria is about the best outcome the international community could hope, and we've got people biatching about how Putin somehow embarrassed the U.S. as if it would be better to risk soldiers lives and kill civilians just to make Putin look bad.


Considering that Syria is a Russian client-state, it has ALWAYS been up to the Russians to clean up that particular mess, too. That they've been dragging their feet on this for nearly two years isn't exactly a "embarrassing" the US. It is the usual hemming and hawing that the UN community has been doing for generations, and the clucking of tongues, and hoping that someone(else) will do something that none of them have the courage or wherewithal to do themselves. Getting the Russians to finally address the issue, by forcing it with the potential to have said client-state bombed to sh*t while there is a civil war on, possibly destabilizing a fairly delicate dance to keep their boy in power so that their contractors and business interests will be firmly protected, that was not a pretty bit of theater, but it worked.  And all the while, that the supposed foreign policy geniuses who KNOW we have NO legitimate interests in the region were trying to come up with reasons that ANY action we took would make this President look weak. The entire hue and cry on this crisis was nothing but shameless opportunism, and it only made the GOP look even weaker and more shrill, while trying desperately to look "most punkest!" at the same time.

When I was bouncing, it was always the guy who talked the loudest, screamed the most, boasted the most, and derided everyone who curled up like CheezDoodle when things actually got to the point where action was required. At this point, the shrillness telegraphs a huge amount of what these folks actually have in the tank for a real fight. And afterwards, these loudmouths were the first to blame ANYONE else for their performance, and at this point, the parallels are far too similar for me to have much respect for the endless stream of armchair quarterbacks....
 
2013-09-23 10:47:49 AM

somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters


As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.
 
2013-09-23 10:48:07 AM

sprawl15: DirkValentine: Wtf are you on about?

Obama invented the DMV and it's his fault that it sucks.


Department of Muslim Vengeance... study it out...
 
2013-09-23 10:48:30 AM

Aristocles: Derwood: Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair

The bolded bit above is correct. No law is sacred.


Well, except for the right to keep and bear arms... amirite?
 
2013-09-23 10:48:32 AM

Graffito: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

Who the hell is BOB?


You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.
 
2013-09-23 10:48:44 AM

fsud: sprawl15: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I was promised by fox news dot com that the sequester was actually going to be good for the country because...well, I don't think they gave a reason, I think they just pointed out that Obama didn't want it so it had to be good, but yeah. That's good enough for me and mine.

Obama didn't want the sequester?

It was his idea, of course he wanted it.

I'm told on Fark by FarkLibs at least five times a day that Barack "BOBby Fisher" Obama plays 4th dimension chess. He new the sequester was bad, and new Dim's wouldn't be n'sync with R's on a deal. It stands to reason that new kids on the block of the TeaPartyPatriots wouldn't extend the debt ceiling again, as America shouldn't, but Obama new they wouldn't.

When all that happens there is only one direction to go he will institute martial sharia law and appoint himself King as America burns under 98 degrees heat next summer. At that point theres no turning back. Street boys in the new black panthers will run our local governments.


Boy bands!
I can't highlight on my phone, tho. Someone else needs to pick'em all out...
 
2013-09-23 10:49:20 AM

Graffito: Aristocles: Derwood: Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair

The bolded bit above is correct. No law is sacred.

Well, except for the right to keep and bear arms... amirite?


That's not a law.
 
2013-09-23 10:49:34 AM

Graffito: Who the hell is BOB?


laughingsquid.com

And he really supported the troops...
 
2013-09-23 10:49:53 AM

Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.


Save America? Well save the rich folks anyways.
 
2013-09-23 10:50:21 AM

TheMysticS: t3knomanser: This sequester thing reminds me of last week, when I went through customs at Dulles. The line for immigration was long, but immigration was pretty well staffed. By the time you got to the customs checkpoint, there were  two agents and  three planeloads of people trying to make a connection. Thanks, Obama.

Slaxl: When will "welp" die?

Welp, y'know, it's just a filler word. Like, um, "like", and uh... "hmmm", or "y'know"... er..., so, well, it's going to stick around, because it's a simple monosyllable that conveys no information but breaks up speech giving the speaker more time to think and giving the audience more time to process.

//Seriously, though, the experience was miserable enough that I found myself wondering why on Earth I came back to the US after vacation.
//"Welcome to the United States. Go fark yourself."

We've experienced that same feeling...most recently after arriving home after a trip to Scotland, but the worst time was coming back from Japan.

And yet the dickhole guy at the border crossing into Montana, with a million and one questions, etc.got us feeling all happy after he handed us our papers back and smiled (for the first time I the whole exchange) and said
'welcome home.'


Strange thing is, as a Canadian I've visited the States more times than I can count and I have never had a bad experience with US customs and immigration. Granted, whenever I fly I pre-clear at the Toronto airport (US customs agents actually clear you at the airport before you board so you don't have to deal with immigration at your destination), and whenever I drive I cross at either Niagara Falls or Fort Erie, both of which are very busy and hence very efficient.
 
2013-09-23 10:50:22 AM

phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.


I am certain that your criticism is well-reasoned, and is based upon a full understanding of somedude210's specific employment, and not upon any irrational prejudices of your own.
 
2013-09-23 10:50:46 AM

Aristocles: Graffito: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

Who the hell is BOB?

You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.


Whats a Farklib?

Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-23 10:51:21 AM

phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.


Hurry up with my fries John Galt.
 
2013-09-23 10:52:02 AM

Aristocles: You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.


You'll get no argument from, that one sucked!

johannasvisions.com
 
2013-09-23 10:53:06 AM

phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.


You're at least in your 40s and you just wrote that out and submitted it for others to see. Let that sink in for a moment. The shame will come.
 
2013-09-23 10:53:23 AM

Aristocles: Graffito: Aristocles: Derwood: Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair

The bolded bit above is correct. No law is sacred.

Well, except for the right to keep and bear arms... amirite?

That's not a law.


Dear god you're stupid.  The constitution is the law of the land.
 
2013-09-23 10:53:28 AM

hubiestubert: This is what happens when you send faux-ideologues to Congress, as opposed to competent legislators.

I get it. Folks are upset that the Libbiest Libs Who Ever Libbed a Lib have seats, and a President who speaks softly and lets you hit yourselves with your own stick, but at some point, maybe folks might want to STOP giving them ammunition to dun you with. Especially when the plan you oppose so much, was the pretty much the plan that you put forward a few years ago, and your Presidential nominee actually signed into law already.

I am NOT a fan of the ACA. It is a giveaway to the insurance industry, though less of one that Romney put forward in Mass--and perhaps THAT is the real feature that folks who are leading this "fight" have: it doesn't just give huge amounts of government cash directly to the middlemen to dole out at their leisure and a huge opportunities to turn that cash into interest elsewhere. It is still an awfully big giveaway that we might better use by not shuffling it between bank to bank to bank, and maybe actually see it in circulation. That was the modification that got it to pass though, and it still offers a better course than: hope y'all don't get sick and die. There's still a lot to do: mental health care in the nation has been gutted, jobs are still sparse, and the current model for "growth" apparently is more of the same house of cards shuffling and an assisted market model that only benefits a few, as opposed to opening up markets for real competition. For folks who claim that they want to see a free market, they are digging their heels in damn hard to prevent real competition and actual entrepreneurs to enter said markets. Coupled with a damning "law and order" mentality that shackles local, state, and the Fed to wasting millions upon untold millions on keeping a dollars flowing to private prisons, attorneys, and a seizure plan that allows looting of the public coffers and skimming directly from human misery, and we have some issues still to deal with at home, and yet, folks seem bent on getting us involved in every conflict across the globe, and then cry and wail when someone suggests something that WON'T get a lot of folks killed, and wail when the President might actually take a firm line. Then again, it does go back to the idea that mental health care is in serious jeopardy in this nation, and sadly, more than a few of our legislators, despite being well covered at this point for such care, they won't avail themselves to it, and their families are loathe to get them committed to save not just themselves, but the nation that they imperil....


It's boy bands! Boy bands, right?

But I'm on my Obamaphone.
 
2013-09-23 10:54:20 AM

TheMysticS: We've experienced that same feeling...most recently after arriving home after a trip to Scotland, but the worst time was coming back from Japan.

And yet the dickhole guy at the border crossing into Montana, with a million and one questions, etc.got us feeling all happy after he handed us our papers back and smiled (for the first time I the whole exchange) and said
'welcome home.'


CSB time!

Last time I had to fly commercial in and out of the States was when my dad passed last May.  I kind of left in a hurry (understandably) and didn't empty out my wallet.  As I live in Southern Spain, I have Euro and Gibraltar Pound Sterling in my wallet, in addition to the American currency I use on base.  So I flew from Madrid into Chicago.  I got stopped in Chicago O'Hare on my way into Detroit because the back-scatter machine apparently decided that my wallet looked suspicious.

So, the guy asked to see it, which I was a little leery about, but figured if I wanted to make my flight I'd just have to do it.  He opened it up, and then looks at me with an upturned eyebrow.  

TSA: "Why do you have three kinds of currency in here?"

Naturally, I'm not in the greatest mood (my dad was dying, after all) and told him where I lived, and why I used three kinds of money.  

TSA: "I don't see why you need three kinds.  Europe uses the Euro."

Me: "Yes, but the British Isles, and it's territories like Gibraltar, use the Pound."

TSA: "....I have to talk to my supervisor."

So, he left and came back from behind a screen with a sour looking gentleman with a John Bolton mustache, which instantly made me hate him.  HE asked me why I had three kinds of currency.  I sarcastically told them "You caught me.  I'm actually Jason Borne.  I just really let myself go and got really fat.  Part of my disguise."

TSA Supervisor:  "Sir, joking about terrorism is grounds for arrest.  Don't do that."

Me: "But I wasn't jokin....  You know what, I'm sorry."

After explaining it to this guy, he finally let me pass just in time to make the run to my connection gate.  

/REALLY dislike the TSA
//my sister is a flight attendant and dating a pilot, the stories they share about the TSA
 
2013-09-23 10:54:48 AM

LeoffDaGrate: themindiswatching: Aristocles: BOB

Who's Bob?

It's been so long, I forget.  Who's the idiot that kept referring to Obama with the number?  "0bama"?


10#o'chez
 
2013-09-23 10:55:00 AM
i.imgur.com

Thanks, Obama
 
2013-09-23 10:55:17 AM

fsud: Obama didn't want the sequester?

It was his idea, of course he wanted it.

I'm told on Fark by FarkLibs at least five times a day that Barack "BOBby Fisher" Obama plays 4th dimension chess. He new the sequester was bad, and new Dim's wouldn't be n'sync with R's on a deal. It stands to reason that new kids on the block of the TeaPartyPatriots wouldn't extend the debt ceiling again, as America shouldn't, but Obama new they wouldn't.

When all that happens there is only one direction to go he will institute martial sharia law and appoint himself King as America burns under 98 degrees heat next summer. At that point theres no turning back. Street boys in the new black panthers will run our local governments.


Well done.  I'm sure I missed some.
 
2013-09-23 10:55:49 AM

Shadowknight: TheMysticS: We've experienced that same feeling...most recently after arriving home after a trip to Scotland, but the worst time was coming back from Japan.

And yet the dickhole guy at the border crossing into Montana, with a million and one questions, etc.got us feeling all happy after he handed us our papers back and smiled (for the first time I the whole exchange) and said
'welcome home.'

CSB time!

Last time I had to fly commercial in and out of the States was when my dad passed last May.  I kind of left in a hurry (understandably) and didn't empty out my wallet.  As I live in Southern Spain, I have Euro and Gibraltar Pound Sterling in my wallet, in addition to the American currency I use on base.  So I flew from Madrid into Chicago.  I got stopped in Chicago O'Hare on my way into Detroit because the back-scatter machine apparently decided that my wallet looked suspicious.

So, the guy asked to see it, which I was a little leery about, but figured if I wanted to make my flight I'd just have to do it.  He opened it up, and then looks at me with an upturned eyebrow.  

TSA: "Why do you have three kinds of currency in here?"

Naturally, I'm not in the greatest mood (my dad was dying, after all) and told him where I lived, and why I used three kinds of money.  

TSA: "I don't see why you need three kinds.  Europe uses the Euro."

Me: "Yes, but the British Isles, and it's territories like Gibraltar, use the Pound."

TSA: "....I have to talk to my supervisor."

So, he left and came back from behind a screen with a sour looking gentleman with a John Bolton mustache, which instantly made me hate him.  HE asked me why I had three kinds of currency.  I sarcastically told them "You caught me.  I'm actually Jason Borne.  I just really let myself go and got really fat.  Part of my disguise."

TSA Supervisor:  "Sir, joking about terrorism is grounds for arrest.  Don't do that."

Me: "But I wasn't jokin....  You know what, I'm sorry."

After explaining it to this guy, he finally let me pass just in time to make the run to my connection gate.  

/REALLY dislike the TSA
//my sister is a flight attendant and dating a pilot, the stories they share about the TSA


You lied. That wasn't cool at all.
 
2013-09-23 10:55:55 AM

phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.


8/10.  Bites acomin'.
 
2013-09-23 10:56:20 AM
"Paul said Republicans still expect members to fight the law, which national polls show only about a third of Americans support. "

They keep repeating this but I really find it hard to believe. Obama ran on a platform of health care reform and was elected. Then he ran on a platform of implementing the ACA, and he was re-elected. What part of "elected to reform health care and re-elected to implement health care reform" do these people not understand? The national polls in question must be framing the question in terms of "If you knew that Obamacare would murder your grandmother, would you still support it?"
 
2013-09-23 10:57:37 AM

Graffito: Aristocles: Graffito: Aristocles: Derwood: Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair

The bolded bit above is correct. No law is sacred.

Well, except for the right to keep and bear arms... amirite?

That's not a law.

Dear god you're stupid.  The constitution is the law of the land.


The amendment to which you refer establishes that no law shall be made to infringe upon the right to keep and bear arms. It's the right that's sacred.

Read a book sometime.
 
2013-09-23 10:58:03 AM
Rand Paul is such a Tea Party darling, it will be interesting to see if they decide he's a RINO, or if they decide this is just that one issue he's nuts about and embrace him all the more.

/I bet it's the latter
 
2013-09-23 10:58:57 AM

clambam: "Paul said Republicans still expect members to fight the law, which national polls show only about a third of Americans support. "

They keep repeating this but I really find it hard to believe. Obama ran on a platform of health care reform and was elected. Then he ran on a platform of implementing the ACA, and he was re-elected. What part of "elected to reform health care and re-elected to implement health care reform" do these people not understand? The national polls in question must be framing the question in terms of "If you knew that Obamacare would murder your grandmother, would you still support it?"


"Would you support Emperor Stalin von Deathhitler invading the United States and setting up a military junta if it was necessary under Obamacare?"
 
2013-09-23 10:59:23 AM
Anyone who thinks a g-man's job isn't real should take it up with a Marine, an FBI agent, the lady who inspects your milk for flesh-eating bacteria, and an air traffic controller.

By which I mean all those people should gang up on and beat the living sh*t out of a Tea Partier for the temerity to say "get a real job," as if collecting disability and touring with Glenn Beck on a hoverround is a real job.

/or being a "self-employed" professional blogger at Townhall or self-publishing ebooks on how to avoid paying taxes with this one easy trick.
 
2013-09-23 10:59:51 AM

Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.


Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.
 
2013-09-23 11:00:32 AM
I am really mystified as to what the Republican leadership hoped to gain here. They knew they couldn't win on this. They've angered everyone outside their base by pulling this stunt. When they fail to defund Obamacare, their based will despise them for it. Few things anger people more than giving them false hope, and the Republicans have people believing this will actually work.
 
2013-09-23 11:02:52 AM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


I assume, then, that you eschew use of all public roads, and of all goods transported on public roads.
 
2013-09-23 11:03:48 AM

Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?


[citation needed]
 
2013-09-23 11:04:08 AM

Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.


Tell them to proceed with the fight.
 
2013-09-23 11:04:10 AM

Dimensio: PanicMan: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

It's already having a negative effect.   Everyone in my office if freaking out about a potential shutdown.

The Republican party is hoping that the people in your office will blame the Democrats.


The military runs fairly conservative, but most of what I'm hearing is "both sides are bad" type complaints.  I try to stay out of it.  It's never a discussion, always an argument.
 
2013-09-23 11:04:12 AM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


So you're either an anticapitalist or a moron.
 
2013-09-23 11:04:13 AM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


Leaving aside the fact that you obviously didn't make it to the chapter on externalities and have therefore conveniently avoided all the times that YOU live off other people's labor the bigger issue is that what kind of grubby poverty stricken little shiat complains about taxes. Just earn more money you sorry excuse for a bootstrappy job creator.
 
2013-09-23 11:04:14 AM

Dimensio: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.

I assume, then, that you eschew use of all public roads, and of all goods transported on public roads.


You pretty much assume correctly. I live out in the pucker brush these days and no one fixes the roads here.
 
2013-09-23 11:04:17 AM
After fighting the law tooth and nail for 5 and a half years, the extreme right is finally ready to come to the table and negotiate a week before its implementation.  Bipartisanship!
 
2013-09-23 11:04:44 AM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


You're either the worst capitalist I know or the worst communist.
 
2013-09-23 11:05:52 AM

Shadowknight: TheMysticS: We've experienced that same feeling...most recently after arriving home after a trip to Scotland, but the worst time was coming back from Japan.

And yet the dickhole guy at the border crossing into Montana, with a million and one questions, etc.got us feeling all happy after he handed us our papers back and smiled (for the first time I the whole exchange) and said
'welcome home.'

CSB time!

Last time I had to fly commercial in and out of the States was when my dad passed last May.  I kind of left in a hurry (understandably) and didn't empty out my wallet.  As I live in Southern Spain, I have Euro and Gibraltar Pound Sterling in my wallet, in addition to the American currency I use on base.  So I flew from Madrid into Chicago.  I got stopped in Chicago O'Hare on my way into Detroit because the back-scatter machine apparently decided that my wallet looked suspicious.

So, the guy asked to see it, which I was a little leery about, but figured if I wanted to make my flight I'd just have to do it.  He opened it up, and then looks at me with an upturned eyebrow.  

TSA: "Why do you have three kinds of currency in here?"

Naturally, I'm not in the greatest mood (my dad was dying, after all) and told him where I lived, and why I used three kinds of money.  

TSA: "I don't see why you need three kinds.  Europe uses the Euro."

Me: "Yes, but the British Isles, and it's territories like Gibraltar, use the Pound."

TSA: "....I have to talk to my supervisor."

So, he left and came back from behind a screen with a sour looking gentleman with a John Bolton mustache, which instantly made me hate him.  HE asked me why I had three kinds of currency.  I sarcastically told them "You caught me.  I'm actually Jason Borne.  I just really let myself go and got really fat.  Part of my disguise."

TSA Supervisor:  "Sir, joking about terrorism is grounds for arrest.  Don't do that."

Me: "But I wasn't jokin....  You know what, I'm sorry."

After explaining it to this guy, he finally let me pass just in time to make the run to my connection gate.  

/REALLY dislike the TSA
//my sister is a flight attendant and dating a pilot, the stories they share about the TSA


I work for the FAA and everyone seems to think the TSA has anything to do with us. It makes me hate them even more.

// Abolish the TSA and don't replace it.
 
2013-09-23 11:07:29 AM

phenn: Dimensio: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.

I assume, then, that you eschew use of all public roads, and of all goods transported on public roads.

You pretty much assume correctly. I live out in the pucker brush these days and no one fixes the roads here.


Please describe the means by which you built your own computer from base raw materials and how you personally arranged and financed creation of the communication and power lines through which your computer operates.
 
2013-09-23 11:07:47 AM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.


And yeah, you're trollin' man.
 
2013-09-23 11:08:02 AM

phenn: Dimensio: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.

I assume, then, that you eschew use of all public roads, and of all goods transported on public roads.

You pretty much assume correctly. I live out in the pucker brush these days and no one fixes the roads here.


YOU'RE SAYING THIS ON THE INTERNET YOU DOLT!
 
2013-09-23 11:08:31 AM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.
 
2013-09-23 11:08:45 AM

Rwa2play: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

And yeah, you're trollin' man.


Technically his mother counts as family.
 
2013-09-23 11:08:53 AM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.

You're either the worst capitalist I know or the worst communist.


He's worst in something, I'll give him that much.
 
2013-09-23 11:09:46 AM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.

You're either the worst capitalist I know or the worst communist.


Person. Worst person.

Anyone who biatches about "real jobs" and paying salaries of federal employees is a tard, and doubly so while doing it on a home PC and US internet.

And, "pretty much" rugged individualism isn't rugged individualism. He is, however, "pretty much" retarded.
 
2013-09-23 11:10:18 AM

rosebud_the_sled: Is it just me or has everything conservatives have tried to do in the last 15 years ended in failure?  And managed to cost the public trillions.  Iraq?  Afghanistan?  Fighting Obamacare?  Trying to manage the US economy.

Is there anything they are capable of beyond pooping their pants?  I realize that they are all intentionally ignorant, but they must have gotten something right over the last two decades.

/getting morons to vote for you is not success, it just means that you are from a red state


They have not failed, it is just your criteria for success are not their criteria for success. See, you assume they are governing for everyone and that is not true. Their success is that they have looted the treasury, twice now, allowing their friends to acquire massive amounts of wealth. They have successfully slowed or stopped investigation into the financial sector, twice now, so that the financial sector can commit fraud, their friends can gain billions of dollars in wealth, and get the public to pay for the clean up.

They have successfully created this idea of class war, and pitted the middle class against the poor. While at the same time decimating the middle class. They have successfully used fear of change, fear of god, and fear of whatever to keep themselves in power.

So, by my measure they have been an unprecedented success, it is just that the middle class and poor have been hurt and sometimes destroyed by their success.
 
2013-09-23 11:11:45 AM

Testiclaw: Obama's Reptiloid Master: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.

You're either the worst capitalist I know or the worst communist.

Person. Worst person.

Anyone who biatches about "real jobs" and paying salaries of federal employees is a tard, and doubly so while doing it on a home PC and US internet.

And, "pretty much" rugged individualism isn't rugged individualism. He is, however, "pretty much" retarded.


Bolded that statement because corporations think in a similar vein.  Corporations want workers to be no different than tissue paper, to be discarded after use.
 
2013-09-23 11:12:46 AM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.

You're either the worst capitalist I know or the worst communist.


Let's assume libertarian.
 
2013-09-23 11:13:23 AM

Shadowknight: TSA: "Why do you have three kinds of currency in here?"


I have 7 kinds of currency in my wallet. Not much, just a few bills (or coins) in low denominations. Why? Because it's farking cool.
 
2013-09-23 11:13:48 AM

Rwa2play: Testiclaw: Obama's Reptiloid Master: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.

You're either the worst capitalist I know or the worst communist.

Person. Worst person.

Anyone who biatches about "real jobs" and paying salaries of federal employees is a tard, and doubly so while doing it on a home PC and US internet.

And, "pretty much" rugged individualism isn't rugged individualism. He is, however, "pretty much" retarded.

Bolded that statement because corporations think in a similar vein.  Corporations want workers to be no different than tissue paper, to be discarded after use.


"Shaddap and be thankful you have a job."
 
2013-09-23 11:14:38 AM

Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.


Already done.
 
2013-09-23 11:15:11 AM

Dimensio: phenn: Dimensio: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.

I assume, then, that you eschew use of all public roads, and of all goods transported on public roads.

You pretty much assume correctly. I live out in the pucker brush these days and no one fixes the roads here.

Please describe the means by which you built your own computer from base raw materials and how you personally arranged and financed creation of the communication and power lines through which your computer operates.


You see, he provided goods or services to others in exchange for money. With this money he purchased a computer and made arrangements with both a communication and a power company. Thus enjoying the fruits of his labor. It's quite simple, really.

/the market place, how does it work?
 
2013-09-23 11:15:19 AM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


I'm going to take all of your stuff.  How do you think you can stop me? Because you have a gun? I have a troop of Hessian mercenaries who are paid to rape and pillage.

Hide yo' shiat. I'm coming.
 
2013-09-23 11:15:52 AM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


Enjoy not having police, fire departments, teachers, roads, electricity, clean air, water, public health or any kind of national defense.  I'm sure you can bootstrap all that up though.
 
2013-09-23 11:16:03 AM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


Do you use roads?
 
2013-09-23 11:16:59 AM

phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.


And still biatching?
 
2013-09-23 11:17:04 AM

Graffito: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

Who the hell is BOB?


He's never come out and explained this BOB thing.   *shrugs*    I think it's meant to demonize our President, but I don't get it.   I say we just point and laugh at him.   It's up to him to explain this new meme he keeps pushing.
 
2013-09-23 11:17:47 AM

phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.


What a stupid thing to say.
'cause there are no 'real' jobs in government work

No real roads
No real work to be done in veterans affairs.
Nothing to be done in order to get social security checks out to the folks who rely on them.

Nope government workers = bad

/as someone who works a private sector job that relies on government doing their job I can say people who think like you are clueless about just how varied, worthwhile and important government work can be.
//pay attention
 
2013-09-23 11:18:09 AM

phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.


Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?
 
2013-09-23 11:18:56 AM
Does anyone else feel like P. Barnes is going to need to tase a biatch pretty soon?
 
2013-09-23 11:19:24 AM

phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.


Then why in god's name are you biatching about taxes in the US, if you've already abandoned the country?

Also, psst, psst. Costa Rica provides universal healthcare.

Meaning they're taking money from you, and using 'the fruit of your labor' to keep other people from dying. Why in god's name did you flee somewhere arguably *even more socialist* if you're pissed about folks 'taking the fruit of your labor'?
 
2013-09-23 11:19:42 AM

unexplained bacon: No real roads
No real work to be done in veterans affairs.
Nothing to be done in order to get social security checks out to the folks who rely on them.


No real work in health care.
No real work in disease, biomedical, or gene research.
No real work in epidemiological studies, outbreak monitoring, or mobilizing a response.
 
2013-09-23 11:19:52 AM

phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.


Real job? So government employees don't have real jobs? Police officers, fire fighters, public teachers, university scientific researchers, public physicians and nurses, public economists, military servicemembers...

None of these are real jobs?
 
2013-09-23 11:20:26 AM

verbaltoxin: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?


His profile claims Costa Rica.

You know, one of the countries with Universal Health Care.
 
2013-09-23 11:20:45 AM

verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?


Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.
 
2013-09-23 11:20:57 AM
The biggest flaw in the philosophical underpinnings of galt trolls in that they assume property rights are God-given and universal. Try driving a really nice car around downtown Mogadishu for a while and leery me know how that works out for you.

The only reason that you got yours is that a government is present to maintain the social order that keeps property from being seized by whoever has the biggest gun.
 
2013-09-23 11:21:03 AM

phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.


That isn't necessary. He pays taxes like everyone else does,  purchases goods like everyone else does, and performs a service to this country. Like it or not, there are some government jobs that society needs to function.

Get off your high horse.
 
2013-09-23 11:21:25 AM

mgshamster: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

Real job? So government employees don't have real jobs? Police officers, fire fighters, public teachers, university scientific researchers, public physicians and nurses, public economists, military servicemembers...

None of these are real jobs?


I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.
 
2013-09-23 11:21:39 AM

phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.


I vaguely remember you mentioning you lived in Central America somewhere...what's that like?   I'd like to visit central America but I'm not sure I could live there.
 
2013-09-23 11:22:04 AM

Felgraf: verbaltoxin: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

His profile claims Costa Rica.

You know, one of the countries with Universal Health Care.


Trolls gonna troll.
 
2013-09-23 11:22:22 AM

HMS_Blinkin: fsud: Obama didn't want the sequester?

It was his idea, of course he wanted it.

I'm told on Fark by FarkLibs at least five times a day that Barack "BOBby Fisher" Obama plays 4th dimension chess. He new the sequester was bad, and new Dim's wouldn't be n'sync with R's on a deal. It stands to reason that new kids on the block of the TeaPartyPatriots wouldn't extend the debt ceiling again, as America shouldn't, but Obama new they wouldn't.

When all that happens there is only one direction to go he will institute martial sharia law and appoint himself King as America burns under 98 degrees heat next summer. At that point theres no turning back. Street boys in the new black panthers will run our local governments.

Well done.  I'm sure I missed some.


4th Dimension?
 
2013-09-23 11:23:17 AM

phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.


And if there are political upheavals and your life is in danger, you will run back to the US so fast you'll leave little Wil-E-Coyote smoke trails.
 
2013-09-23 11:23:35 AM

phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.


Let me guess.  Public school?
 
2013-09-23 11:23:46 AM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


So a "real job" can only come from the private sector, huh?  Police, firefighters, and soldiers don't have real jobs?  We should just abolish all government--local, state, and federal--and turn into an anarchic mess because you don't like that, in order to function, governments require workers, which are in turn paid by tax dollars?  That's pretty stupid, don't you think?

The idea that a modern society can run without tax dollars and that you shouldn't be required to pay your fair share for even the most basic of services you take for granted, such as roads, is ridiculous.  Stop being dense.
 
2013-09-23 11:23:57 AM

Testiclaw: mgshamster: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

Real job? So government employees don't have real jobs? Police officers, fire fighters, public teachers, university scientific researchers, public physicians and nurses, public economists, military servicemembers...

None of these are real jobs?

I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.


She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.
 
2013-09-23 11:24:01 AM

phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.


Perhaps, but if you live in Costa Rica, you are no longer "Paying salaries like [his]".

You are also paying for the healthcare of people that are not you, so, sorry buddy, they're still stealing 'the fruits of your labor'.  Whatever your labor may be.

Perhaps I came off a bit harshly, but if everyone thought the way you did, we A) Wouldn't have gone to the moon, B) Probably wouldn't have eliminated smallpox and polio. Not because ZOMG THE PHARMACUTICAL CONSPIRACY because it kind of takes a pretty massive public funding/works effort to get mass vaccinations done.

And that's just two small, quick examples.
 
2013-09-23 11:24:03 AM

Felgraf: Also, psst, psst. Costa Rica provides universal healthcare.


You would be partially correct.

There is a government-underwritten health care system here called CAJA. It benefits the residents and citizens - not emigrants. It is funded by a consumption (sales) tax and works well for those who use it. For those who do not, health care is cheap. VERY cheap. Because the government doesn't poke its collective arse into everything under the sun, patient care, medication, etc is affordable.
 
2013-09-23 11:24:59 AM

phenn: Felgraf: Also, psst, psst. Costa Rica provides universal healthcare.

You would be partially correct.

There is a government-underwritten health care system here called CAJA. It benefits the residents and citizens - not emigrants. It is funded by a consumption (sales) tax and works well for those who use it. For those who do not, health care is cheap. VERY cheap. Because the government doesn't poke its collective arse into everything under the sun, patient care, medication, etc is affordable.


Still taking the fruit of your labor at no benefit to you. Tax is a tax.
 
2013-09-23 11:25:09 AM

Tigger: YOU'RE SAYING THIS ON THE INTERNET YOU DOLT!


I didn't realize people were forced to pay for internet service the way they're forced to pay somedude210's salary.

If you're bringing up that the military funded research that eventually culminated in the internet we have today, sfw. Computer networks were happening with or without the force of government. And the internet protocol that was eventually universally adopted was the one the government didn't like anyway.

Just because this guy (somedude) feels entitled to a steady, uninterrupted stream of your money (collected by immoral means) doesn't mean that he actually is.
 
2013-09-23 11:25:16 AM

raerae1980: Graffito: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

Who the hell is BOB?

He's never come out and explained this BOB thing.   *shrugs*    I think it's meant to demonize our President, but I don't get it.   I say we just point and laugh at him.   It's up to him to explain this new meme he keeps pushing.


Well, we call the government Uncle Sam.
President Obama is the representative of that government.
President Obama is your Uncle, because he represents the government.
Bob's your Uncle, is a saying that means everything is okay.

Hence he is really saying that everything is okay, because BOB, who is your uncle, Uncle Sam, President Obama is okay.
 
2013-09-23 11:25:22 AM

thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.


I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?
 
2013-09-23 11:25:36 AM
Ever notice how the "self made man" always puts the head on way too big?
 
2013-09-23 11:26:45 AM

jigger: Just because this guy (somedude) feels entitled to a steady, uninterrupted stream of your money (collected by immoral means) doesn't mean that he actually is.


Thank you. This was the point I attempted to make and did a piss poor job of doing so.
 
2013-09-23 11:26:46 AM

Felgraf: phenn: Felgraf: Also, psst, psst. Costa Rica provides universal healthcare.

You would be partially correct.

There is a government-underwritten health care system here called CAJA. It benefits the residents and citizens - not emigrants. It is funded by a consumption (sales) tax and works well for those who use it. For those who do not, health care is cheap. VERY cheap. Because the government doesn't poke its collective arse into everything under the sun, patient care, medication, etc is affordable.

Still taking the fruit of your labor at no benefit to you. Tax is a tax.


How do you figure that health care insurance isn't a benefit? Or do you not understand how insurance works? Not everyone gets more out of an insurance policy than they put in.
 
2013-09-23 11:26:50 AM

phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.


I now understand: your children have effectively disowned you, and you wish to punish them.
 
2013-09-23 11:26:51 AM

phenn: There is a government-underwritten health care system here called CAJA. It benefits the residents and citizens - not emigrants. It is funded by a consumption (sales) tax and works well for those who use it. For those who do not, health care is cheap. VERY cheap. Because the government doesn't poke its collective arse into everything under the sun, patient care, medication, etc is affordable.


I wonder if the health care is very cheap because the vast majority of the health care consumers are on a single payer system.

Nah, that can't be it.
 
2013-09-23 11:26:58 AM

phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?


Did you agency ever take on public entities as clients?
 
2013-09-23 11:27:14 AM

phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.


You abandoned your children?

And you moved to a socialist nation.
 
2013-09-23 11:27:42 AM

udhq: The biggest flaw in the philosophical underpinnings of galt trolls in that they assume property rights are God-given and universal. Try driving a really nice car around downtown Mogadishu for a while and leery me know how that works out for you.

The only reason that you got yours is that a government is present to maintain the social order that keeps property from being seized by whoever has the biggest gun.


Exactly. People who complain about the government interfering with their "right": to their property need to be reminded that without the government there is no property as we know it.
 
2013-09-23 11:27:47 AM

phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?


How long do you think Costa Rica would remain an independent state if the US military did not exist?
 
2013-09-23 11:29:08 AM

Diogenes: "I'm acknowledging we can't probably defeat or get rid of Obamacare," he said. "But by starting with our position of not funding it, maybe we get to a position where we make it less bad."

Umm...yeahhh.  I'd really like to know how you get from point A to B.



If the "apple doesn't fall far from the tree", someone else will formulate the plan of getting from point A to point B and the Randster will just sign his name to the bottom of the plan.
 
2013-09-23 11:29:19 AM

phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?


Yes - when was it, exactly, that you became such an awful excuse for a human being?
 
2013-09-23 11:29:27 AM

phenn: jigger: Just because this guy (somedude) feels entitled to a steady, uninterrupted stream of your money (collected by immoral means) doesn't mean that he actually is.

Thank you. This was the point I attempted to make and did a piss poor job of doing so.


Your point is that you're a complete idiot?
 
2013-09-23 11:29:50 AM

HotWingConspiracy: You abandoned your children?


Um... they are both pushing 30.
 
2013-09-23 11:30:34 AM

jigger: Just because this guy (somedude) feels entitled to a steady, uninterrupted stream of your money (collected by immoral means) doesn't mean that he actually is.


He's trying to work, he's not being lazy.

And what is this nonsense about collecting money immorally? Are you another person who thinks our government employees are supposed to be paid with unicorn farts?

We pay to use the service and infrastructure of our electric & gas companies. Same thing with government. Is this a difficult concept to grasp?
 
2013-09-23 11:30:38 AM

Fart_Machine: phenn: jigger: Just because this guy (somedude) feels entitled to a steady, uninterrupted stream of your money (collected by immoral means) doesn't mean that he actually is.

Thank you. This was the point I attempted to make and did a piss poor job of doing so.

Your point is that you're a complete idiot?


That's not fair. I've seen no evidence that she's an idiot. Like many sociopaths, she appears to be rather clever.
 
2013-09-23 11:30:47 AM

thurstonxhowell: phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?

How long do you think Costa Rica would remain an independent state if the US military did not exist?


I've got these Hessian mercenaries, and it's really dangerous to let them get bored...
 
2013-09-23 11:31:01 AM
Oh look, another post in hyperbole theater where X party is over now over X event that the public won't remember in two days.

Miley Cyrus.
 
2013-09-23 11:31:43 AM

what_now: I have 7 kinds of currency in my wallet. Not much, just a few bills (or coins) in low denominations. Why? Because it's farking cool.


Well, I had about 30 of each.  I always keep Euro and American on me, but we had just gotten back from Scotland and were SUPPOSED to go to Gibraltar for some sort of celebration of something or other.  A monkey, I guess?

Either way, I kind of made a last minute trip home, and had my wallet laden with foreign bills.  Which apparently makes the TSA grumpy.
 
2013-09-23 11:32:11 AM

phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?


Ah, so "patriot blogger" then.
 
2013-09-23 11:32:17 AM

raerae1980: Graffito: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

Who the hell is BOB?

He's never come out and explained this BOB thing.   *shrugs*    I think it's meant to demonize our President, but I don't get it.   I say we just point and laugh at him.   It's up to him to explain this new meme he keeps pushing.


After the past week of seeing this stupid meme attempt, I propose thus: any post containing said meme never gets responded to. It'll just sits there in a thread; lonely, retarded, and not given the attention it so desperately seeks.

It's dumb, and at first was fun to make fun of. At this point, however, it doesn't even deserve to be made fun of. No need to plonk, just don't give any sort of acknowledgement to any posts with the offending meme.

/my last response to the failed meme
 
2013-09-23 11:33:04 AM

phenn: Felgraf: Also, psst, psst. Costa Rica provides universal healthcare.

You would be partially correct.

There is a government-underwritten health care system here called CAJA. It benefits the residents and citizens - not emigrants. It is funded by a consumption (sales) tax and works well for those who use it. For those who do not, health care is cheap. VERY cheap. Because the government doesn't poke its collective arse into everything under the sun, patient care, medication, etc is affordable.


"In 1973, the CCSS took over administration of all 29 of the country's public hospitals and all health care"
 
2013-09-23 11:33:33 AM

phenn: Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family.


CRY MOAR, SOVEREIGN WATB
 
2013-09-23 11:34:21 AM

udhq: Ah, so "patriot blogger" then.


;-)

No. Graphic design, web design, web development, video, etc. The only blogging I do is on photography.
 
2013-09-23 11:34:28 AM

Shadowknight: what_now: I have 7 kinds of currency in my wallet. Not much, just a few bills (or coins) in low denominations. Why? Because it's farking cool.

Well, I had about 30 of each.  I always keep Euro and American on me, but we had just gotten back from Scotland and were SUPPOSED to go to Gibraltar for some sort of celebration of something or other.  A monkey, I guess?

Either way, I kind of made a last minute trip home, and had my wallet laden with foreign bills.  Which apparently makes the TSA grumpy.


In my experience, breathing is sufficient to make the TSA grumpy. When I flew to Salt Lake City for my dad's funeral a couple weeks ago, I got pulled aside for a "random" check. The guy who conducted the examination was a real pip, let me tell you. You'll be happy to know that I tested negative for explosives residue, though.
 
2013-09-23 11:35:01 AM

hugram: Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.

Tell them to proceed with the fight.


It turned into a big argument. I pointed out that obamacare was the law now, and that the fight was done, and the GOP lost. They....well, kinda flipped out. It was downright weird to watch. My point was that it would be better to find a way to make it work for them than to waste time and effort denying reality but they wigged out about the evils of health care reform.
 
2013-09-23 11:35:08 AM

Shadowknight: what_now: I have 7 kinds of currency in my wallet. Not much, just a few bills (or coins) in low denominations. Why? Because it's farking cool.

Well, I had about 30 of each.  I always keep Euro and American on me, but we had just gotten back from Scotland and were SUPPOSED to go to Gibraltar for some sort of celebration of something or other.  A monkey, I guess?

Either way, I kind of made a last minute trip home, and had my wallet laden with foreign bills.  Which apparently makes the TSA grumpy.


Which is incredibly stupid. The EU itself uses about a dozen different currencies, and that's before you get to Urals. What if you had been in Scandinavia and had four different types of Kroner?
 
2013-09-23 11:36:25 AM

phenn: udhq: Ah, so "patriot blogger" then.

;-)

No. Graphic design, web design, web development, video, etc. The only blogging I do is on photography.


Tell all the other telephone sanitizers that I said hello.
 
2013-09-23 11:37:05 AM

BMulligan: Fart_Machine: phenn: jigger: Just because this guy (somedude) feels entitled to a steady, uninterrupted stream of your money (collected by immoral means) doesn't mean that he actually is.

Thank you. This was the point I attempted to make and did a piss poor job of doing so.

Your point is that you're a complete idiot?

That's not fair. I've seen no evidence that she's an idiot. Like many sociopaths, she appears to be rather clever.


I tend to group the "taxes are theft" crowd as being morons.
 
2013-09-23 11:37:47 AM

phenn: Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.


Jesus tapdancing Christ.........

Do you use roads?
Do you like having a fire department?
Do you like having police?
Do you like having EMS?
Do you like having public parks?

You may or may not need these things, but society does. If you don't want to be a part of our society, then GFY and get out.
 
2013-09-23 11:38:15 AM

phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?


Umm, how far does your laissez-faire attitude extend in your personal life? I mean, er, do you view interpersonal relationships as being beyond the confines of governmental and societal conventions? Oh hell, you wanna fool around?
 
2013-09-23 11:38:50 AM

Fart_Machine: BMulligan: Fart_Machine: phenn: jigger: Just because this guy (somedude) feels entitled to a steady, uninterrupted stream of your money (collected by immoral means) doesn't mean that he actually is.

Thank you. This was the point I attempted to make and did a piss poor job of doing so.

Your point is that you're a complete idiot?

That's not fair. I've seen no evidence that she's an idiot. Like many sociopaths, she appears to be rather clever.

I tend to group the "taxes are theft" crowd as being morons.


I think of them more as parasites. Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to, I guess.
 
2013-09-23 11:39:08 AM

Fart_Machine: I tend to group the "taxes are theft" crowd as being morons.


Well of course. This one makes her living on the internet, which she apparently invented, moved to a socialist country and keeps her citizenship "for her children".

Move to farking Deadwood or shut up.
 
2013-09-23 11:39:10 AM

Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.


Would this be the same FDR that brought the country out of the Great Depression, and was so popular that he served four terms as President?
 
2013-09-23 11:40:44 AM

Weaver95: hugram: Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.

Tell them to proceed with the fight.

It turned into a big argument. I pointed out that obamacare was the law now, and that the fight was done, and the GOP lost. They....well, kinda flipped out. It was downright weird to watch. My point was that it would be better to find a way to make it work for them than to waste time and effort denying reality but they wigged out about the evils of health care reform.


Were "death panels" mentioned?
 
2013-09-23 11:40:52 AM

Fart_Machine: BMulligan: Fart_Machine: phenn: jigger: Just because this guy (somedude) feels entitled to a steady, uninterrupted stream of your money (collected by immoral means) doesn't mean that he actually is.

Thank you. This was the point I attempted to make and did a piss poor job of doing so.

Your point is that you're a complete idiot?

That's not fair. I've seen no evidence that she's an idiot. Like many sociopaths, she appears to be rather clever.

I tend to group the "taxes are theft" crowd as being morons.


you'd pretty much have to be an idiot, we can all argue about how much money and how robust the  social services and military  should be done but you really have to be a dumbass to not understand that the money has to come from somewhere.
 
2013-09-23 11:41:00 AM

KarmicDisaster: Felgraf: phenn: Felgraf: Also, psst, psst. Costa Rica provides universal healthcare.

You would be partially correct.

There is a government-underwritten health care system here called CAJA. It benefits the residents and citizens - not emigrants. It is funded by a consumption (sales) tax and works well for those who use it. For those who do not, health care is cheap. VERY cheap. Because the government doesn't poke its collective arse into everything under the sun, patient care, medication, etc is affordable.

Still taking the fruit of your labor at no benefit to you. Tax is a tax.

How do you figure that health care insurance isn't a benefit? Or do you not understand how insurance works? Not everyone gets more out of an insurance policy than they put in.


He's an immigrant in costa rica, and he specifically said that their universal health care does not apply to immigrants.

Thus, he is still doing something the he *claims* is the reason he left the US.

Thus he receives the same benefit from it he does from paying 'moochers' in the US (Which, I agree *DID* ultimately benefit him in a round-about-way. But he apparently didn't feel that way.)
 
2013-09-23 11:41:35 AM

KarmicDisaster: Also "Paul said Republicans still expect members to fight the law, which national polls show only about a third of Americans support. "


Where 42% is "about". Another 27% are unhappy with it because it doesn't do enough. Only 23% want it to fail.
 
2013-09-23 11:41:43 AM

WaitWhatWhy: Would this be the same FDR that brought the country out of the Great Depression, and was so popular that he served four terms as President?


You're not caught up with the current state of right-wing nonsense. The general belief now among the Fox News crowd is that FDR actually caused the Great Depression, just before he signed over the title to his time machine to Obama.
 
2013-09-23 11:41:48 AM
He or she, I should say.
 
2013-09-23 11:42:36 AM

DeArmondVI: raerae1980: Graffito: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

Who the hell is BOB?

He's never come out and explained this BOB thing.   *shrugs*    I think it's meant to demonize our President, but I don't get it.   I say we just point and laugh at him.   It's up to him to explain this new meme he keeps pushing.

After the past week of seeing this stupid meme attempt, I propose thus: any post containing said meme never gets responded to. It'll just sits there in a thread; lonely, retarded, and not given the attention it so desperately seeks.

It's dumb, and at first was fun to make fun of. At this point, however, it doesn't even deserve to be made fun of. No need to plonk, just don't give any sort of acknowledgement to any posts with the offending meme.

/my last response to the failed meme


Anyone I see who uses "BOB" seriously gets their posts colored in a retarded pink color from now on.
 
2013-09-23 11:43:04 AM

Felgraf: He or she, I should say.


ftfy
 
2013-09-23 11:43:50 AM

raerae1980:

He's never come out and explained this BOB thing.   *shrugs*    I think it's meant to demonize our President, but I don't get it.   I say we just point and laugh at him.   It's up to him to explain this new meme he keeps pushing.



img.fark.net
 
2013-09-23 11:43:51 AM

phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.


So, no taxes or government where you live?
 
2013-09-23 11:44:15 AM

what_now: Fart_Machine: I tend to group the "taxes are theft" crowd as being morons.

Well of course. This one makes her living on the internet, which she apparently invented, moved to a socialist country and keeps her citizenship "for her children".

Move to farking Deadwood or shut up.


Oh sure, and subject yourself to those Yankton c&%*suckers.
 
2013-09-23 11:45:08 AM
So BOB = BOy Bands?
 
2013-09-23 11:46:08 AM
I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.
 
2013-09-23 11:47:09 AM

Zeno-25: Anyone I see who uses "BOB" seriously gets their posts colored in a retarded pink color from now on.


I didn't keep up with this thread, but he's seriously trying to push that shiat here too, but won't explain it?
 
2013-09-23 11:48:43 AM
Old and Busted: Farklibs defending the dems and attacking the GOP with arguments.

New Hotness: Call everyone a troll, then attack each other for responding to the supposed "troll."
 
Good for you, Farklibs.
 
2013-09-23 11:48:49 AM

Dimensio: Weaver95: hugram: Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.

Tell them to proceed with the fight.

It turned into a big argument. I pointed out that obamacare was the law now, and that the fight was done, and the GOP lost. They....well, kinda flipped out. It was downright weird to watch. My point was that it would be better to find a way to make it work for them than to waste time and effort denying reality but they wigged out about the evils of health care reform.

Were "death panels" mentioned?


No, mostly it was incoherent rage and fox news propaganda about SOCALISMS.
 
2013-09-23 11:48:54 AM
Hey phenn, you're about thirty questions behind schedule. So if you want to get on answering them all with your ignorance, everyone's waiting.
 
2013-09-23 11:49:09 AM

theknuckler_33: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

So, no taxes or government where you live?


No. There is no government here. No taxes and no civilization. I live in a tree and am typing this on a coconut. When the sun sets, I can hear the sounds of savages hunting crocodiles in the pitch.

YES, GENIUS. There is a government and there are taxes. Why do people insist on asking absurd questions?
 
2013-09-23 11:49:15 AM

KellyX: Zeno-25: Anyone I see who uses "BOB" seriously gets their posts colored in a retarded pink color from now on.

I didn't keep up with this thread, but he's seriously trying to push that shiat here too, but won't explain it?


img.timeinc.net

Soon.
 
2013-09-23 11:50:01 AM

raerae1980: He's never come out and explained this BOB thing. *shrugs* I think it's meant to demonize our President, but I don't get it. I say we just point and laugh at him. It's up to him to explain this new meme he keeps pushing.


I think it's some kind of puzzle.  Like a multi-post/multi-thread cypher that you have to try to put together.  Just filling in 'POTUS' in exchange for 'BOB' in most of his posts obviously doesn't work, too many of the facts don't line up.  From the context, I've concluded it must stand for some organization or individual who is a shadowy, malicious power broker manipulating events from behind the scenes -- but so far I don't have any leads.  These word search and word substitution games sure keep the politics tab fun!
 
2013-09-23 11:50:03 AM

verbaltoxin: Let's assume libertarian.


You mean the type of people that are all "WE DON'T NEED GOVERNMENT" until someone starts invading them?  Those types?
 
2013-09-23 11:50:03 AM

Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.


I have family friends who are completely normal except for the fact that they're in the Tea Party, and this is 100% accurate.
 
2013-09-23 11:50:58 AM

theknuckler_33: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

So, no taxes or government where you live?


No no no no no. They have that stuff. What they don't have is MOOCHERS, PARASITES, and LOOTERS. It's just a Galtian paradise of self made men, titans of industry, and independent productive achievers like him.
 
2013-09-23 11:51:16 AM
So, the strategerie is

1. make the gop in general seem as barking-mad crazy as possible

2. Run as a POTUS candidate as a republican who unlike those guys actually cares for the needy and dispossed. A "compassionate conservative" as it were.

Gee, where have I seen this scam before?

ts4.mm.bing.net
 
2013-09-23 11:51:23 AM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

So, no taxes or government where you live?

No. There is no government here. No taxes and no civilization. I live in a tree and am typing this on a coconut. When the sun sets, I can hear the sounds of savages hunting crocodiles in the pitch.

YES, GENIUS. There is a government and there are taxes. Why do people insist on asking absurd questions?


Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?
 
2013-09-23 11:51:47 AM
Aristocles (ignored: BOB BOB BOB BOB BOB)

Yeah, I think this looks better. New experiment I'm trying. I know relevant discussion exists in these threads, this is a good start to participating in them.
 
2013-09-23 11:52:07 AM

phenn: Why do people insist on asking absurd questions?


Because it drives the narrative; asking the absurd allows one to feel smug about already knowing the answer, while not actually contributing.
 
2013-09-23 11:54:01 AM

Copperbelly watersnake: I am really mystified as to what the Republican leadership hoped to gain here.



lovejaysdotcom.files.wordpress.com
It's gotta start some time
 
2013-09-23 11:54:11 AM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

So, no taxes or government where you live?

No. There is no government here. No taxes and no civilization. I live in a tree and am typing this on a coconut. When the sun sets, I can hear the sounds of savages hunting crocodiles in the pitch.

YES, GENIUS. There is a government and there are taxes. Why do people insist on asking absurd questions?


Favorited.
 
2013-09-23 11:54:24 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?


If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.

Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.

But, this is FARK. And, here is where people come to create arguments out of thin air, using the most absurd nonsense they can pull out of their arses.

I'll get over it.
 
2013-09-23 11:54:54 AM

somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters


Sadly, these tricone hat wearing CHUDS have as little to do with the actual American Patriots as possible. They scream about "freedom", but in reality, the only freedom they want is freedom for themselves to be inhuman buttholes at everyone else.

A scattered mob of cranks and asswipes, brought together under a common flag of faux empowerment, and too stupid to know that they've been drafted into the Koch Army to do the bidding of the filthy rich.
 
2013-09-23 11:54:58 AM

mainstreet62: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.

I have family friends who are completely normal except for the fact that they're in the Tea Party, and this is 100% accurate.


It really doesn't make any sense. Its almost like they're in a cult or something. They even have their own weird little language and terminology for everything.
 
2013-09-23 11:55:02 AM

HotWingConspiracy: phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

So, no taxes or government where you live?

No. There is no government here. No taxes and no civilization. I live in a tree and am typing this on a coconut. When the sun sets, I can hear the sounds of savages hunting crocodiles in the pitch.

YES, GENIUS. There is a government and there are taxes. Why do people insist on asking absurd questions?

Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?


Because once you get into Galt's Gulch, they only take from you what you are able to contribute to the society. And those takings don't go to MOOCHERS, they are distributed according to who actually needs them.
 
2013-09-23 11:56:58 AM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

So, no taxes or government where you live?

No. There is no government here. No taxes and no civilization. I live in a tree and am typing this on a coconut. When the sun sets, I can hear the sounds of savages hunting crocodiles in the pitch.

YES, GENIUS. There is a government and there are taxes. Why do people insist on asking absurd questions?


Interesting. You seem to like the fact that the government helps maintain a civilization in which you enjoy living.  Hard to believe all those 'not real jobs' can manage something like that.

What was that you were saying about 'absurd'?
 
2013-09-23 11:57:05 AM
Rand Paul is a weasel. That is all.
 
2013-09-23 11:58:41 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Dear Fed Employees & Military: We don't care about your bills or your problems. Private-sector America has it's own problems. STFU & GBTW.
Signed,
America.


Get back to work without being paid  I think there is a word for that
 
2013-09-23 11:59:05 AM

phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.


Oh, so you're spiteful to the point of derangement, and oddly enough have a very strong notion of entitlement. That's cool.
 
2013-09-23 11:59:33 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Copperbelly watersnake: I am really mystified as to what the Republican leadership hoped to gain here.


[lovejaysdotcom.files.wordpress.com image 460x288]
It's gotta start some time


They just want to watch the world burn?
 
2013-09-23 11:59:53 AM

sprawl15: phenn: Why do people insist on asking absurd questions?

Because it drives the narrative; asking the absurd allows one to feel smug about already knowing the answer, while not actually contributing.


Kinda like telling someone who works for the government to get a 'real job' because you pay taxes, eh?
 
2013-09-23 12:00:12 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

So, no taxes or government where you live?

No. There is no government here. No taxes and no civilization. I live in a tree and am typing this on a coconut. When the sun sets, I can hear the sounds of savages hunting crocodiles in the pitch.

YES, GENIUS. There is a government and there are taxes. Why do people insist on asking absurd questions?


So what's the end game of your  "NO ONE DESERVES THE FRUIT OF MY LABOR" whargarble?

Obviously SOMEONE deserves it, just not Americans?

The end game of your "Taxes are theft" bullshiat is a feudal society where the rich have huge armies to protect themselves and the poor routinely starve to death. I know you're thinking "That's ok, I'm a Job Creator. I'd be rich. fark those poors." The problem with that- very often the rich would get TOO rich, and someone would get a bigger army and take their stuff, or the poor would get too poor and have nothing left to lose, so they'd burn your castle down.
 
2013-09-23 12:00:43 PM

Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?


And here we have living proof that propaganda really does work.
 
2013-09-23 12:01:10 PM
theknuckler_33:

are you just a fan of recursion or what
 
2013-09-23 12:01:17 PM

BMulligan: Shadowknight: what_now: I have 7 kinds of currency in my wallet. Not much, just a few bills (or coins) in low denominations. Why? Because it's farking cool.

Well, I had about 30 of each.  I always keep Euro and American on me, but we had just gotten back from Scotland and were SUPPOSED to go to Gibraltar for some sort of celebration of something or other.  A monkey, I guess?

Either way, I kind of made a last minute trip home, and had my wallet laden with foreign bills.  Which apparently makes the TSA grumpy.

In my experience, breathing is sufficient to make the TSA grumpy. When I flew to Salt Lake City for my dad's funeral a couple weeks ago, I got pulled aside for a "random" check. The guy who conducted the examination was a real pip, let me tell you. You'll be happy to know that I tested negative for explosives residue, though.



So...a friend of mine just visited the US from Germany. She's 29(this will be important in a moment). Besides the usual retarded questions("Are you planning to commit any terrorist acts while in the US?", "Are you planning to kidnap any American children", etc), they asked her one so utterly stupid that I have to bold and separate it to really let it sink in.

"Did you have any involvement in the mass murders committed by the Nazis in WW2?"

Upon pointing out that she was 29, and thus not alive when WW2 happened, the agent told her that didn't answer the question.
 
2013-09-23 12:01:40 PM

Weaver95: Its fascinating watching the GOP destroy themselves over the ACA. I think they're more upset that Obama beat them than they are about the legislation itself.


memedepot.com
 
2013-09-23 12:02:11 PM

verbaltoxin: Felgraf: verbaltoxin: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

His profile claims Costa Rica.

You know, one of the countries with Universal Health Care.

Trolls gonna troll.


Hippos gonna crite.
 
2013-09-23 12:02:15 PM

phenn: Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.


Right. It's everyone else's fault that your statements that government jobs aren't real and that you shouldn't have to pay taxes were interpreted that way. You poor trod-upon little thing.
 
2013-09-23 12:02:21 PM

phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.

Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.

But, this is FARK. And, here is where people come to create arguments out of thin air, using the most absurd nonsense they can pull out of their arses.

I'll get over it.


You have no idea what he does. Maybe he processed the passport that let you get on the plane to Costa Rica. Maybe, he's an FDA inspector. Maybe he's a cop, a firefighter or a soldier. You just heard "Works for government" and decided that he was a taker.
 
2013-09-23 12:03:32 PM

phenn: If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.


Not quite as annoying as the ignorance of "I pay your salary" and "get a real job".
 
2013-09-23 12:04:30 PM

what_now: phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.

Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.

But, this is FARK. And, here is where people come to create arguments out of thin air, using the most absurd nonsense they can pull out of their arses.

I'll get over it.

You have no idea what he does. Maybe he processed the passport that let you get on the plane to Costa Rica. Maybe, he's an FDA inspector. Maybe he's a cop, a firefighter or a soldier. You just heard "Works for government" and decided that he was a taker.


No. Wrong.

It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.
 
2013-09-23 12:04:49 PM

Weaver95: mainstreet62: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.

I have family friends who are completely normal except for the fact that they're in the Tea Party, and this is 100% accurate.

It really doesn't make any sense. Its almost like they're in a cult or something. They even have their own weird little language and terminology for everything.


Well, mass hysteria is making a comeback with Facebook as a vector, so there you go.
 
2013-09-23 12:04:54 PM

phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.


Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown?  Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well?  Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.
 
2013-09-23 12:05:53 PM

unexplained bacon: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

What a stupid thing to say.
'cause there are no 'real' jobs in government work

No real roads
No real work to be done in veterans affairs.
Nothing to be done in order to get social security checks out to the folks who rely on them.

Nope government workers = bad

/as someone who works a private sector job that relies on government doing their job I can say people who think like you are clueless about just how varied, worthwhile and important government work can be.
//pay attention


Yeah, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what has the Government ever done for us?
 
2013-09-23 12:05:56 PM

Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?


ie "Fark you I gots mine"
 
2013-09-23 12:06:10 PM
Thanks, Rand, but Mackinac Island already has enough fudge and horse shiat.
 
2013-09-23 12:06:55 PM

Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.


Good! Take pleasure from their hate. Take sheer delight in watching the cruel and the stupid raging in futile outrage of their crushing defeat. To watch the bad guys lose is wonderful. To watch them continue to sputter and seethe even a year later is a delicious rare wine to savor.

iruntheinternet.com
 
2013-09-23 12:07:18 PM
grumpfuff:
"Did you have any involvement in the mass murders committed by the Nazis in WW2?"
Upon pointing out that she was 29, and thus not alive when WW2 happened, the agent told her that didn't answer the question.


If the question is asking direct personal involvement, then the simple, non-smartass answer is 'no.'  If someone in her family directly profiteered or was involved with the Holocaust and she knows about it, then she might want to cough up the facts.  It's like they have laws on the books in Germany regarding Nazi atrocities or something.
 
2013-09-23 12:07:32 PM

Aristocles: The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.


Were you laughing hysterically as this pile of keyboard diarrhea oozed from your fingertips?  I think you were.
 
2013-09-23 12:07:42 PM

phenn: It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.


The fact that he wants to get paid for doing his job makes you think he's a taker?
 
2013-09-23 12:08:19 PM

Rwa2play: "Apoplectic" might be too inadequate as a term for their reaction.


Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll stroke out en masse.
 
2013-09-23 12:09:26 PM

BMFPitt: Slaves2Darkness: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I don't know about that. The deficit is as low as it has been in ages and the debt looks manageable. Hell, if we just shut the government down every year when we run out of funding, maybe, just maybe, we will actually raise taxes and cut discretionary spending to the point that we no longer have a deficit.

Pop quiz. What is the largest catagory of discretionary spending we currently have on the books?

Your definition of "ages" differs from mine.

Kind of like an alcoholic that is down to a 24 pack a day.

// We could cut the entire discretionary budget, and barely be in the black, temporarily, not counting the economic impact of doing so.
// But starting another war is no way to cut Defense.


Well, tell us what yours is or STFU. Otherwise you're just being a pedantic prick.
 
2013-09-23 12:09:41 PM

sprawl15: theknuckler_33:

are you just a fan of recursion or what


No, but you are apparently a fan of hypocrisy.
 
2013-09-23 12:09:54 PM

Ned Stark: In what sense did conservatives lose? Their opponents adopted heritage foundation insanity as their health plan and then ran it across the goal line. Even now with only the house in their hands the most you can say is that conservatives probably wont be able to fark it up even more.


They can't turn around and say, "Well, guys...this here Affordable Care Act (let's never call it "Obamacare" ever again) isn't so bad after all! Why, it turns out most of these things in the bill were Republican ideas to begin with! And these ideas are doing some good for people! So...yeah! This is a pretty good bill, and it's thanks to the Republicans! You're welcome, America!"

People would look at them like snakes were coming out of their ears. "You mean to tell me...that this bill we've been told to hate with the fire of a thousand suns...is mostly full of...Republican ideas?"

Talk about pitchforks and torches...Lordy.
 
2013-09-23 12:10:03 PM

theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.


Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.
 
2013-09-23 12:10:21 PM

phenn: It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.


You don't want to pay him for the work he does, and he's the taker.  Riiiiiiiight.
 
2013-09-23 12:10:26 PM

BMFPitt: We Probably Can't Get Rid Of Obamacare

Probably?


ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2013-09-23 12:11:43 PM

theknuckler_33: No, but you are apparently a fan of hypocrisy.


You seem awfully upset about something. I have no idea what it is, but you're getting righteous indignation all over my shoes.
 
2013-09-23 12:12:06 PM

CPT Ethanolic: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

Even better sitting out here in Afghanistan and having your pay suddenly stop.  Makes managing things at home from thousands of miles away REAL easy.


To me this is the MOST outrageous thing a government can do.

There should be a law that service people get paid even if the government has to sell Air Force One on eBay to make it happen. If you are willing to serve in the military for relatively low pay you should at least get the farking money.

So much for the GOP supporting the military I guess.
 
2013-09-23 12:12:19 PM

phenn: what_now: phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.

Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.

But, this is FARK. And, here is where people come to create arguments out of thin air, using the most absurd nonsense they can pull out of their arses.

I'll get over it.

You have no idea what he does. Maybe he processed the passport that let you get on the plane to Costa Rica. Maybe, he's an FDA inspector. Maybe he's a cop, a firefighter or a soldier. You just heard "Works for government" and decided that he was a taker.

No. Wrong.

It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.


So it can't possibly be frustration over the Republican obstructionists in our government (not your government, because you cast yourself away on an island) ruining opportunities for Americans. It's gonna be only an indication that this person is so self-entitled to the government that all he wants to do is take more money. The logic train doesn't make stops in your neck of the world, does it?
 
2013-09-23 12:12:53 PM

max_pooper: sprawl15: KarmicDisaster: Only one third support it? Or is that a quote of what he "believes".

Depends on the phrasing. "Do you support the socialist Obamacare takeover?" polls much lower than "Do you support ?".

How about "Do you believe the government should defund Obamacare?"

If that's the question, a majority of Americans say "No, Obamacare should not be defunded."


Survey says : The GOP is lying again


those people don't matter. just a majority of the people who vote for them do.
 
2013-09-23 12:13:51 PM

Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.


Who's BOB?
 
2013-09-23 12:14:10 PM

phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.

Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.

But, this is FARK. And, here is where people come to create arguments out of thin air, using the most absurd nonsense they can pull out of their arses.

I'll get over it.


Sounds like you are reading your own biases into the comment. It is quoted just below the post I'm quoting. It is obviously displaying anger over the fact that there are radical nutjobs trying to defund a law that was passed by both houses of congress, signed by the president (who was reelected), and found constitutional by the supreme court, by sacrificng the rank and file government worker's ability to provide for their family. It really sucks to have your job held hostage by a bunch of clowns having a temper tantrum. It also sucks to have to work and not get paid until they decide to work out a solution.

I guess you never saw a 10-20 percent reduction in income, not because of your performance, but because your bosses can't get their crap together. Then again it is quite clear you believe all government employees are overpaid, lazy people stealing your money by sucking the government's teat and not hard working Americans providing a much need public service, sacrificing the opportunity for higher lifetime earnings in many fields. (Scientists, doctors, lawyers, and economists all make wayyyyyy more in the private sector)
 
2013-09-23 12:14:18 PM

phenn: what_now: phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.

Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.

But, this is FARK. And, here is where people come to create arguments out of thin air, using the most absurd nonsense they can pull out of their arses.

I'll get over it.

You have no idea what he does. Maybe he processed the passport that let you get on the plane to Costa Rica. Maybe, he's an FDA inspector. Maybe he's a cop, a firefighter or a soldier. You just heard "Works for government" and decided that he was a taker.

No. Wrong.

It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.


People that want to get paid for their work are takers?
 
2013-09-23 12:14:33 PM

Triple Oak: an island


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-23 12:14:56 PM
i595.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-23 12:15:21 PM

Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.


Democrats advocated it.
 
2013-09-23 12:15:31 PM

KingKauff: I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.


It's too old hat at this point to be amusing. I simply find it typical.
 
2013-09-23 12:16:21 PM

sprawl15: theknuckler_33: No, but you are apparently a fan of hypocrisy.

You seem awfully upset about something. I have no idea what it is, but you're getting righteous indignation all over my shoes.


You're the one who started accusing people of being smug.
 
2013-09-23 12:17:11 PM

mainstreet62: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.

I have family friends who are completely normal except for the fact that they're in the Tea Party, and this is 100% accurate.


Normal as in "He seemed like a normal, quiet guy."
 
2013-09-23 12:17:53 PM

Lando Lincoln: They can't turn around and say


is this a joke
 
2013-09-23 12:18:31 PM

Aristocles: Graffito: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

Who the hell is BOB?

You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.


The second you put up a cogent defense based on facts of your opinion, you will have people lining up to debunk it. Until then STFU.
\Also, Who's BOB?
 
2013-09-23 12:18:33 PM

TV's Vinnie: Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.

Good! Take pleasure from their hate. Take sheer delight in watching the cruel and the stupid raging in futile outrage of their crushing defeat. To watch the bad guys lose is wonderful. To watch them continue to sputter and seethe even a year later is a delicious rare wine to savor.


When I pointed out that the ACA was most likely going to create IT jobs to support claims processing and that I was trying to position myself to be a part of that...they suddenly went very quiet. It was as if the possibility that jobs might get created by the government never even occurred to them. And they couldn't refute my position either, because jobs WILL be created by the ACA. I don't know how many but companies will have to hire tech people to help with the work load.
 
2013-09-23 12:19:30 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.


But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?
 
2013-09-23 12:19:33 PM

Headso: you'd pretty much have to be an idiot, we can all argue about how much money and how robust the  social services and military  should be done but you really have to be a dumbass to not understand that the money has to come from somewhere.


Import tariffs.
Renting out public property.
Loaning money to banks for interest.
Make all roads and airports have a Federal toll.
And finally, if necessary, printing more money.

Reduce the military to 1/10 of its current size, stop doing anything outside of North & South America.
Eliminate farm and other subsidies.
Eliminate the FDA, EPA, and similar organizations.

Having no Federal taxes is definitely doable.  Well, it was, before the national debt exploded.  Now we'd have to print a bunch of money to cover interest on the debt, which will cause inflation.  Still doable, just more painful.

Gotta have local taxes, but those aren't the same thing.  Most Libertarians don't object to local taxes, because if you don't like 'em, you can move easily enough.  Kind of like HOAs.  States are the tricky ones, since of the five ways I mentioned above, their only option is tolls.

But no, it's not ridiculous.
 
2013-09-23 12:19:45 PM

HotWingConspiracy: This is how badly Cruz has farked this up.


And the Cruz Cult members are eating it up.  No matter how this ends, Cruz will come out the winner.
 
2013-09-23 12:19:55 PM

KhamanV: grumpfuff:
"Did you have any involvement in the mass murders committed by the Nazis in WW2?"
Upon pointing out that she was 29, and thus not alive when WW2 happened, the agent told her that didn't answer the question.

If the question is asking direct personal involvement, then the simple, non-smartass answer is 'no.'  If someone in her family directly profiteered or was involved with the Holocaust and she knows about it, then she might want to cough up the facts.  It's like they have laws on the books in Germany regarding Nazi atrocities or something.


Yes, a simple, non-smartass answer is no. That doesn't make it any less retarded to ask. The question was also being asked by American, not German, officials.

And nice subtle assumption that because she's German, her family probably supported the Nazis, btw. Way to go for the cheap points.
 
2013-09-23 12:20:03 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: KingKauff: I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.

It's too old hat at this point to be amusing. I simply find it typical.


It bothers me to think we've passed the point of no return for a generation (10-20 years).

As mentioned above, Republicans can't just "go back" to being reasonable.  And if Bush taught us anything, it's how quick memories will change to blame any Democrat that comes along.

There's never been a time in my life when moderates need to be more vigilant about fighting off these assholes and keeping them out of office.
 
2013-09-23 12:20:13 PM

Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.


A) Stop trying to make BOB "a thing". You are embarrassing yourself.

B) The GOP is working towards nothing but hurting Obama.

C) Farklib isn't "a thing" either and makes no sense w/ regard to "FARK Conservatives"

D) Even Forbes magazine says calling Obamacare a "job killer" is a gross misrepresentation.

E) What is it with you guys and all the "forced down our throats: talk anyway?
 
2013-09-23 12:20:34 PM

theknuckler_33: You're the one who started accusing people of being smug.


And you're not doing a very good job disproving it. If you have a problem with what I actually said, bring it up. Otherwise you're still just typing a lot without actually saying anything - you know, what I originally accused you of.
 
2013-09-23 12:21:07 PM

phenn: what_now: phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.

Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.

But, this is FARK. And, here is where people come to create arguments out of thin air, using the most absurd nonsense they can pull out of their arses.

I'll get over it.

You have no idea what he does. Maybe he processed the passport that let you get on the plane to Costa Rica. Maybe, he's an FDA inspector. Maybe he's a cop, a firefighter or a soldier. You just heard "Works for government" and decided that he was a taker.

No. Wrong.

It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.


Rewind to last week when Boehner and the House GOP were set to temporarily raise the Debt Ceiling until December 15th and it was the Tea Party faction that torpedo'd that plan in favor of shutting down the government in order to force the de-funding of the ACA.  So if a government shutdown happens and this person you're vehemently against can't pay their bills, it is the direct result of the Tea Party's actions.  In what world would that NOT result in anger?
 
2013-09-23 12:21:18 PM

Dimensio: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.

Democrats advocated it.


Like I said, the discussion never gets that far. Incoherent rage is the point where it usually stops
 
2013-09-23 12:21:27 PM

Aristocles: Derwood: Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair

The bolded bit above is correct. No law is sacred.


If the losing side can nullify any legislation that passes the rule of law ceases to exist.

The GOP are acting like a bunch of nihilist morans.
 
2013-09-23 12:22:06 PM

phenn: what_now: phenn: HotWingConspiracy: Why do you take absurd stands like "NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO MY LABOR BECAUSE OF REASONS", but only feel strongly about it when living in America?

If you go all the way back to the start of this, you'll see that I responded to someone who said 'fark the tea tards, I have bills to pay'. He/she also said he worked for the government.

I told him/her to get bent. I don't like the attitude that, because he/she works for the government, he/she is ENTITLED to that job and, since I am formerly someone who paid his/her salary, I dislike his/her attitude.

Where anyone got the notion that I'm for life without any shred of government is a bit beyond me.

But, this is FARK. And, here is where people come to create arguments out of thin air, using the most absurd nonsense they can pull out of their arses.

I'll get over it.

You have no idea what he does. Maybe he processed the passport that let you get on the plane to Costa Rica. Maybe, he's an FDA inspector. Maybe he's a cop, a firefighter or a soldier. You just heard "Works for government" and decided that he was a taker.

No. Wrong.

It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.


So you are a tea tard?
 
2013-09-23 12:22:31 PM

theknuckler_33: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?


"Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.
 
2013-09-23 12:23:11 PM

SpectroBoy: Aristocles: Derwood: Defeating the GOP on this front is bigger than just the ACA.

If they set a precedent where they can just defund any law they don't happen to like, then no law is sacred. They can use the budget to punish their political enemies for passing laws they disagree with.

Our government is broken beyond repair

The bolded bit above is correct. No law is sacred.

If the losing side can nullify any legislation that passes the rule of law ceases to exist.

The GOP are acting like a bunch of nihilist morans.


'acting' ? I don't think they're pretending to be a bunch of nihilistic morons....I think they actually ARE a bunch of nihilistic morons....well, the tea party is anyways.
 
2013-09-23 12:23:28 PM

Aristocles: Old and Busted: Farklibs defending the dems and attacking the GOP with arguments.

New Hotness: Call everyone a troll, then attack each other for responding to the supposed "troll."
 
Good for you, Farklibs.


Old and Busted: Fark Conservatards who actually funny

New Hotness: Fark Conservatrd trolls who are such a bore that I ignore them

Good for you, you've somehow lowered the bar when it was already on the ground.

GaryPDX, this is for you.
 
2013-09-23 12:23:32 PM

red5ish: mainstreet62: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.

I have family friends who are completely normal except for the fact that they're in the Tea Party, and this is 100% accurate.

Normal as in "He seemed like a normal, quiet guy."


No, normal as in, has sound advice for me when I talk to them (an older married couple) about what's going on in my life. They haven't steered me wrong yet.

I don't dare initiate politics discussions around them, because I don't need that headache. They know I don't buy into the Tea Party, but I'm as respectful as possible around them when they bring up politics, which is thankfully not often.
 
2013-09-23 12:24:29 PM

Tsuyoi: So if a government shutdown happens and this person you're vehemently against can't pay their bills, it is the direct result of the Tea Party's actions. In what world would that NOT result in anger?


A world where there is no federal government, and the states apparently pay for infrastructure from tolls.

IE, Paradice, libtards.
 
2013-09-23 12:24:46 PM
i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-09-23 12:24:56 PM

phenn: "Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.


"Fark you, pay me for the work I do" is distinct from "Fark you, pay me for existing". The reason people are dogpiling is that you're equating the former with the latter solely because the employer is the government. You feel 'entitled' to the money you earn through your labor, yet criticize them for the money they feel they're 'entitled' to through their labor.
 
2013-09-23 12:25:03 PM

Fart_Machine: Zeb Hesselgresser: Copperbelly watersnake: I am really mystified as to what the Republican leadership hoped to gain here.

[lovejaysdotcom.files.wordpress.com image 460x288]
It's gotta start some time

They just want to watch the world burn?


Nah, more like a game reset.  Republicans not weak!

www.nba.com

It's gotta be better than one party rule.
 
2013-09-23 12:25:59 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?

"Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.


No you troll, its "fark you, pay me for the work you are asking me to do. No one gets a free lunch and I gotta eat too."
 
2013-09-23 12:26:03 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: Felgraf: Nope, sorry, you've agreed (by virtue of staying here) to live in a country where you pay some of the fruits of your labor to the government, who in turn provide you with police, military, infrastructure, water that won't kill you if you drink it, fairly well inspected meat, scientific advancements that wouldn't otherwise be researched because they are not *immediately* profitable, a legal system, a system that allows redress if you are wronged *other* than trying to outgun the other person, etc.

Don't like it? Then get the fark out, loser.

Already done.

So, no taxes or government where you live?

No. There is no government here. No taxes and no civilization. I live in a tree and am typing this on a coconut. When the sun sets, I can hear the sounds of savages hunting crocodiles in the pitch.

YES, GENIUS. There is a government and there are taxes. Why do people insist on asking absurd questions?


OK Honest answer?

We want a laugh at the responses. Because you've taken a hilariously absurd position on the whole "taxes are stealing the fruits of my labor" thing and we're all pretty certain there's no way you have the intellectual integrity to admit that it's ridiculous and will instead say increasingly more ridiculous things to defend it. It helps pass the time.
 
2013-09-23 12:26:09 PM

sprawl15: phenn: "Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.

"Fark you, pay me for the work I do" is distinct from "Fark you, pay me for existing". The reason people are dogpiling is that you're equating the former with the latter solely because the employer is the government. You feel 'entitled' to the money you earn through your labor, yet criticize them for the money they feel they're 'entitled' to through their labor.


I thought "fark you pay me" was the GOP mantra? I don't see how the GOP can complain when anyone uses that line for any reason.
 
2013-09-23 12:26:46 PM

phenn: As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.


Look, I pay my taxes (which apparently pay my salary...which in turn gets taxes taken out to pay my salary....) and I give back to my country through the civil service (government work) so fark you. I have a real job. I'm a civilian researcher for the military. You'd be amazed just how much private work comes from government contracts. So pull your head out of your ass and realize that, yes, government employees are real people dealing with the same shiat as you, we just have Congress dictate our pay and when we work and not a CEO.
 
2013-09-23 12:26:56 PM

sprawl15: theknuckler_33: You're the one who started accusing people of being smug.

And you're not doing a very good job disproving it. If you have a problem with what I actually said, bring it up. Otherwise you're still just typing a lot without actually saying anything - you know, what I originally accused you of.


It is amusing for sprawl15 to accuse theknuckler_33 of being smug for something he wrote to phenn when phenn was being smug with the whole "I paid your salary, government worker... get a real job" derp. Since you just jumped in somewhere in the middle, I guess you didn't bother to see what was going on before using your own smugness to smugly accuse me of being smug. In other words, you're the smuggiest smugger who ever smugged.

/smug
 
2013-09-23 12:27:34 PM

Weaver95: I thought "fark you pay me" was the GOP mantra?


"Fark minorities, cut my taxes" is the canon version but of course there are regional variations
 
2013-09-23 12:28:42 PM

sprawl15: phenn: "Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.

"Fark you, pay me for the work I do" is distinct from "Fark you, pay me for existing". The reason people are dogpiling is that you're equating the former with the latter solely because the employer is the government. You feel 'entitled' to the money you earn through your labor, yet criticize them for the money they feel they're 'entitled' to through their labor.


So, an impasse?

There is a slight difference not to be missed. People who work for the government are paid by taxpayers who have no say in how much is paid or anything else. If I do a crap job, I don't get paid. If I cannot find project work, I don't get paid. That is on me. No one is being forced to pay me. Unlike him.
 
2013-09-23 12:29:58 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?

"Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.


Except that's not what was said, it was "I have bills to pay and you're not helping." I fail to see how worrying about the ramifications of suddenly having no job for an indeterminate amount of time just so some group can use you as leverage to get what they want is the fault of the employee.  You're simply reading into this what you want.
 
2013-09-23 12:30:01 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?

"Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.


Not for your own self-interest, for your derpy interpretation of his OP.  I'll say it again: Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.
 
2013-09-23 12:32:28 PM
I don't agree with the Teabaggers, but there is a small part of me that respects that they campaigned on the promise of stopping Obama and his "sushulism big government, big spending bonanza". They got elected on that promise, and by God, they aren't backing down an inch in their effort to deliver on that promise! Consequences be damned.

"I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism the Tea Party, Dude, at least it's an ethos."
 
2013-09-23 12:32:37 PM

sprawl15: Triple Oak: an island

[i.imgur.com image 400x282]


Secluded area?
 
2013-09-23 12:33:34 PM

mainstreet62: red5ish: mainstreet62: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform. They mostly break down into incoherent rage whenever the subject comes up.

I have family friends who are completely normal except for the fact that they're in the Tea Party, and this is 100% accurate.

Normal as in "He seemed like a normal, quiet guy."

No, normal as in, has sound advice for me when I talk to them (an older married couple) about what's going on in my life. They haven't steered me wrong yet.

I don't dare initiate politics discussions around them, because I don't need that headache. They know I don't buy into the Tea Party, but I'm as respectful as possible around them when they bring up politics, which is thankfully not often.


I was making a joke. I'm sure they're normal about most things. If you are open to sound advice please note that people who seem normal unless you bring up [fill in blank] then they become bat shiat crazy, you are describing unbalanced individuals. They may be able to help you fix your car or even help you fix your marriage, but there is something not quite right about them regarding [fill in blank].
 
2013-09-23 12:33:37 PM

Muta: HotWingConspiracy: This is how badly Cruz has farked this up.

And the Cruz Cult members are eating it up.  No matter how this ends, Cruz will come out the winner.


With...who? People who already supported him in the first place? Whoopty fark. The GOP spend so much time trying to please people who already support them no matter what that they don't reach out to people who can actually win them elections; i.e. swing voters.
 
2013-09-23 12:33:40 PM

Aristocles: The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.


www.acrossnowhere.net
Stop trying to make BOB happen.
It's NOT going to happen.
 
2013-09-23 12:34:20 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

But people who work for the government, the very ones to be affected by a shutdown, can't be upset about this 'showtime'?

"Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.


It's more because you're telling someone with supposed self-interest "I disagree with your self-interest while my self-interest is much more important". We all have self-interest, but his has nothing to do with yours.
 
2013-09-23 12:34:41 PM

sprawl15: Weaver95: I thought "fark you pay me" was the GOP mantra?

"Fark minorities, cut my taxes" is the canon version but of course there are regional variations


Yes but my point is that the GOP believe greed is good. ALL greed is then good, no matter who is being greedy. CEO greed is just as valid as government employee greed. I don't see how any republican can complain if/when someone working for the fedgov gets greedy. All greed is good is their core belief.
 
2013-09-23 12:34:59 PM

grumpfuff: KhamanV: grumpfuff:
"Did you have any involvement in the mass murders committed by the Nazis in WW2?"
Upon pointing out that she was 29, and thus not alive when WW2 happened, the agent told her that didn't answer the question.

If the question is asking direct personal involvement, then the simple, non-smartass answer is 'no.'  If someone in her family directly profiteered or was involved with the Holocaust and she knows about it, then she might want to cough up the facts.  It's like they have laws on the books in Germany regarding Nazi atrocities or something.

Yes, a simple, non-smartass answer is no. That doesn't make it any less retarded to ask. The question was also being asked by American, not German, officials.

And nice subtle assumption that because she's German, her family probably supported the Nazis, btw. Way to go for the cheap points.


You're projecting some defensiveness, because I make absolutely no assumptions her family supported the Nazis, as they very likely did not.  My German family departed the country some years before the weird little shiat took power, so my sphere of perspective is tilted towards Germans that served in the US Navy.

It is an odd question, but a lot of odd questions and laws are on the books.  In the future answer 'no' and spare your butthurt for the series finale of Breaking Bad.
 
2013-09-23 12:35:27 PM

phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.


You know Costa Rica has universal health care right?
 
2013-09-23 12:37:10 PM

Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?


You don't know anything about how DC works, do you? For one thing, federal workers make lower wages than the standard for comparable positions in private industry. You want to know who makes the real money in our area? It's private contractors like SAIC, CACI, and Booz Allen, located across in Northern Virginia, not DC, who make the serious dough.
When mopes like you complain about "fatcat government workers", people who actually live and work here know you're full of shiat.
 
2013-09-23 12:37:34 PM

SpectroBoy: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

A) Stop trying to make BOB "a thing". You are embarrassing yourself.


Never heard that one before, herp.

B) The GOP is working towards nothing but hurting Obama.

That's incidental to their primary objective, namely, getting rid of Obamacare.

C) Farklib isn't "a thing" either and makes no sense w/ regard to "FARK Conservatives"

No one said it was supposed to be the same as "Fark Conservatives" or "Fark Republicans." A Fark Republican is someone who claims, in the same comment, to be a Republican and that he or she voted for Obama twice and blames the TEA Party for everything wrong with America. In other words, A Fark Republican is a flavor of Farklib.

D) Even Forbes magazine says calling Obamacare a "job killer" is a gross misrepresentation.

Well la-di-da.... if Forbes magazine has an op-ed saying that Obamacare might not kill as many jobs as projected then it must be true!

E) What is it with you guys and all the "forced down our throats: talk anyway?

You don't remember how BOB and the dems "passed" Obamacare, do you?
 
2013-09-23 12:37:44 PM

HotWingConspiracy: This is how badly Cruz has farked this up.

I like that this guy has been hyped as the future of the party.


I Iike how some establishment Republicans are accusing Cruz of being a liberal plant.
 
2013-09-23 12:37:46 PM

Weaver95: mainstreet62: Weaver95: I honestly don't even know why republicans object to health care reform ... It really doesn't make any sense. Its almost like they're in a cult or something. They even have their own weird little language and terminology for everything.


Come, not sure if serious.  Weaver know proponents believe basic health care is or should be a universal right.  They may look at a poor person in bad health -- say, suffering various ailments some of which were caused by bad life choices -- and feel primarily empathy or pity.  Opponents believe health care is a service that can be delivered most efficiently by a less centrally controlled or freer market.  The ACA creates a more regulated market for health care.  Opponents may look at the same person and feel less empathy (because they are all sociopaths?) and more a sense of resentment at being part of a collective that must help support the person.

Copperbelly watersnake: I am really mystified as to what the Republican leadership hoped to gain here.


Rand Paul is maneuvering for the 2016 nomination, we all agree about that.  A few days ago he made another play for the banner of 'R who can attract minority votes' by joining ACLU to call for the end of mandatory minimum sentencing in federal courts.  Here he tacks left of rival Cruz and appears politically more astute than Cruz by acknowledging that the threat to defund the health care law is merely a bargaining chip in the overall budget fight.
 
2013-09-23 12:38:25 PM

hubiestubert:  a President who speaks softly and lets you hit yourselves with your own stick


That is beautiful.
 
2013-09-23 12:38:34 PM

phenn: People who work for the government are paid by taxpayers who have no say in how much is paid or anything else.


You don't have a say in nearly any private sector business as to how much people are paid or anything else either; I don't demand Southwest to pay their pilots better because 'I pay their salary', and such a line of argument would seem outright silly to anyone listening. In fact, by virtue of the government being susceptible to legislative demands (rather than boardroom demands), the say you have in government employment is far greater than in the private sector. In the private sector, your only recourse is often a personal decision to boycott.

phenn: If I cannot find project work, I don't get paid. That is on me. No one is being forced to pay me.


If you cannot find project work because of your inability as an employee, you get fired. It's the same in the public sector. If you cannot find project work because of your employer's inability to get work, the employer is dissolved. Again, the same in the public sector.

The only real distinction is for required work where substandard service becomes mimetic (like the DMV). In those cases one could argue that they aren't being required to meet a high standard, but that's a very, very different argument than the one you're making via blanket statements like your OP.
 
2013-09-23 12:39:34 PM

Aristocles: You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.


Who is Bob?
 
2013-09-23 12:40:41 PM

phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.


So you don't use public roads or any other government service ever? We do you feel entitled to have goverment services provided as a hand out for you and your family for free?
 
2013-09-23 12:40:51 PM

HeartBurnKid: phenn: It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.

You don't want to pay him for the work he does, and he's the taker.  Riiiiiiiight.


As a salaried employee, you either pay your mortgage with unicorn farts and faerie dust or you are a taker. Study it out.
 
2013-09-23 12:41:51 PM

Muta: Aristocles: You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.

Who is Bob?


Bob.
Bob's your uncle.
Uncle Sam.
President of the United States Barack Obama.
Barack OBama.
BOB
 
2013-09-23 12:43:18 PM

KhamanV: grumpfuff: KhamanV: grumpfuff:
"Did you have any involvement in the mass murders committed by the Nazis in WW2?"
Upon pointing out that she was 29, and thus not alive when WW2 happened, the agent told her that didn't answer the question.

If the question is asking direct personal involvement, then the simple, non-smartass answer is 'no.'  If someone in her family directly profiteered or was involved with the Holocaust and she knows about it, then she might want to cough up the facts.  It's like they have laws on the books in Germany regarding Nazi atrocities or something.

Yes, a simple, non-smartass answer is no. That doesn't make it any less retarded to ask. The question was also being asked by American, not German, officials.

And nice subtle assumption that because she's German, her family probably supported the Nazis, btw. Way to go for the cheap points.

You're projecting some defensiveness, because I make absolutely no assumptions her family supported the Nazis, as they very likely did not.  My German family departed the country some years before the weird little shiat took power, so my sphere of perspective is tilted towards Germans that served in the US Navy.

It is an odd question, but a lot of odd questions and laws are on the books.  In the future answer 'no' and spare your butthurt for the series finale of Breaking Bad.


I'm probably about to say something that is going to infuriate you, and most of Fark.


I lost interest in Breaking Bad awhile ago.

/runs and hides
 
2013-09-23 12:43:20 PM

SpectroBoy: Aristocles: The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

[www.acrossnowhere.net image 624x200]
Stop trying to make BOB happen.
It's NOT going to happen.


Who's the blonde?
 
2013-09-23 12:44:20 PM

SpectroBoy: phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.

You know Costa Rica has universal health care right?


And a lot more socialism and government than the US has. I wonder if he went to Costa Rica on Rush's suggestion?
 
2013-09-23 12:44:47 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Muta: Aristocles: You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.

Who is Bob?

Bob.
Bob's your uncle.
Uncle Sam.
President of the United States Barack Obama.
Barack OBama.
BOB


That's pretty silly.
 
2013-09-23 12:45:00 PM

Aristocles: SpectroBoy: Aristocles: The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

[www.acrossnowhere.net image 624x200]
Stop trying to make BOB happen.
It's NOT going to happen.

Who's the blonde?


A viable meme.
 
2013-09-23 12:45:10 PM

thurstonxhowell: phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?

How long do you think Costa Rica would remain an independent state if the US military did not exist?


Well, I don't believe you currently provide them with much. About 21 million in total aid since 2009. That includes everything. Prior to 2009 I believe they received little or nothing since they resisted US demands that all US citizens should have ICC immunity.
 
2013-09-23 12:45:39 PM

what_now: phenn: It was the 'fark you tea tards, I have bills to pay' remark that irritated me. I think that alone makes it quite clear whether or not he/she is a taker.

The fact that he wants to get paid for doing his job makes you think he's a taker?


that and I just want to do my job without having to worry that Washington is going to delay that or outright fark with it. As it is, we can barely schedule projects to go beyond the fiscal year because we don't know what the hell we have for money because the government has been running on FY2010 budgetary numbers for the last 4 years
 
2013-09-23 12:46:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: SpectroBoy: phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.

You know Costa Rica has universal health care right?

And a lot more socialism and government than the US has. I wonder if he went to Costa Rica on Rush's suggestion?


May I ask where you got this information?
 
2013-09-23 12:46:14 PM

phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.


If the people whose jobs are being held hostage - instead of those people who are holding their job hostage - draw your ire, you, little biatch, are nothing more than a sociopath.  Kindly EABOD and DIAF.

Put simply:  what if we made it so that your job and paycheck was contingent on us being able to bomb France?  Would you just shut up and take it, or would you complain your ass off?
 
2013-09-23 12:46:25 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Muta: Aristocles: You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.

Who is Bob?

Bob.
Bob's your uncle.
Uncle Sam.
President of the United States Barack Obama.
Barack OBama.
BOB


BO for Barack Obama would be a better insult since BO is also used for Body Odor.
 
2013-09-23 12:46:57 PM

Ned Stark: Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.

In what sense did conservatives lose? Their opponents adopted heritage foundation insanity as their health plan and then ran it across the goal line. Even now with only the house in their hands the most you can say is that conservatives probably wont be able to fark it up even more.

Liberals, uhhhh... didn't look as silly?


They lost because they never actually wanted it passed.

The plan was only put forth to try and prevent greater health reform, especially with the hope of debating the poinnt until things change and they can put the whole issue to rest.

It was, at best, the lesser of two evils in their minds. But still evil.
 
2013-09-23 12:47:35 PM

BorgiaGinz: Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?

You don't know anything about how DC works, do you? For one thing, federal workers make lower wages than the standard for comparable positions in private industry. You want to know who makes the real money in our area? It's private contractors like SAIC, CACI, and Booz Allen, located across in Northern Virginia, not DC, who make the serious dough.
When mopes like you complain about "fatcat government workers", people who actually live and work here know you're full of shiat.


Well to be fair what they are mostly complaining about is government workers benefits. Benefits like comprehensive health care including vision and dental, disability insurance, life insurance, the large amount of vacation and sick time that we get. They also complain about government workers unions which are still strong and still protect those benefits. Mostly they are jealous and feel that everyone should eat the shiat sandwich that they have to eat in the private sector.

It's okay though, because if the forced me to go private sector I'd earn about 2 maybe 3 times what I earn now, but I sure would miss those 26 vacation days a year, flex time, and working in a supportive non-competitive environment. I've worked the private sector and while the pay is better the stress, hyper aggressive competition, and hostile work environment keeps me here.
 
2013-09-23 12:50:14 PM

phenn: cameroncrazy1984: SpectroBoy: phenn: verbaltoxin: Alright, tell us what bastion of free living and stateless liberty you relocated to?

Costa Rica. Far from perfect, but a good life.

I get a lot of people here who say things like 'then, why do you care?' So, to make it clear, I still have children in the states and what happens there affects them. Hence, I care.

You know Costa Rica has universal health care right?

And a lot more socialism and government than the US has. I wonder if he went to Costa Rica on Rush's suggestion?

May I ask where you got this information?


All you need to know is that there's government-run insurance available to anyone who wants it That right there is more socialism than the US has.
 
2013-09-23 12:50:18 PM

friday13: phenn: theknuckler_33: Perhaps you could actually realize that, you know, no one is trying to actually get rid of his job. They are holding it hostage for political purposes. I would imagine that people who work for parts of the government that have nothing to do with healthcare might feel entitled to have their job unaffected by political brinksmanship. I wonder how many 'real job' holders who work in the private sector are worried about their contracts being affected by a potential shutdown? Do they also draw your ire? Or what about the businesses that THOSE contractors purchase goods and services from that also might now be in jeopardy... are THEY worthy of scorn as well? Our entire society is ENTITLED to a government that can function without pushing the entire farking thing off a cliff.

Yes, they draw my ire as well. I realize the whole thing is showtime to house republicans.

If the people whose jobs are being held hostage - instead of those people who are holding their job hostage - draw your ire, you, little biatch, are nothing more than a sociopath.  Kindly EABOD and DIAF.

Put simply:  what if we made it so that your job and paycheck was contingent on us being able to bomb France?  Would you just shut up and take it, or would you complain your ass off?


*plonk*

/I guess all it takes is a woman with an opinion to out the Farklib sexists.
 
2013-09-23 12:50:44 PM

phenn: sprawl15: phenn: "Fark you, pay me" is a remark that is blooming with self-interest. Funny how people are dogpiling me for my own self-interest.

"Fark you, pay me for the work I do" is distinct from "Fark you, pay me for existing". The reason people are dogpiling is that you're equating the former with the latter solely because the employer is the government. You feel 'entitled' to the money you earn through your labor, yet criticize them for the money they feel they're 'entitled' to through their labor.

So, an impasse?

There is a slight difference not to be missed. People who work for the government are paid by taxpayers who have no say in how much is paid or anything else. If I do a crap job, I don't get paid. If I cannot find project work, I don't get paid. That is on me. No one is being forced to pay me. Unlike him.


Should have picked a different profession, stop being so jealous.
 
2013-09-23 12:51:47 PM

Aristocles: *plonk*

/I guess all it takes is a woman with an opinion to out the Farklib sexists.


Show us on the doll where Bob touched you.
 
2013-09-23 12:53:46 PM

Cletus C.: Slaves2Darkness: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

I don't know about that. The deficit is as low as it has been in ages and the debt looks manageable. Hell, if we just shut the government down every year when we run out of funding, maybe, just maybe, we will actually raise taxes and cut discretionary spending to the point that we no longer have a deficit.

Pop quiz. What is the largest catagory of discretionary spending we currently have on the books?

NPR?


Hey man, you have no idea how many cookies Cookie Monster eats in a fiscal year. It is obscene!
 
2013-09-23 12:53:58 PM

Aristocles: Old and Busted: Farklibs defending the dems and attacking the GOP with arguments.

New Hotness: Call everyone a troll, then attack each other for responding to the supposed "troll."
 
Good for you, Farklibs.


That's because us poor liberals don't get daily talking points, so we are stuck with our own individual opinions and sometimes disagree with with other
 
2013-09-23 12:54:05 PM

Mike_1962: thurstonxhowell: phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?

How long do you think Costa Rica would remain an independent state if the US military did not exist?

Well, I don't believe you currently provide them with much. About 21 million in total aid since 2009. That includes everything. Prior to 2009 I believe they received little or nothing since they resisted US demands that all US citizens should have ICC immunity.


Costa Rica doesn't have its own military and has over 20% of it's claim to territory disputed by Nicaragua. Absent a super-power just to their north to make sure they abide by the ICC's decisions about where the boundary was between their two nations, I'm thinking Nicaragua might settle that dispute pretty quickly.
 
2013-09-23 12:56:13 PM

sprawl15: Triple Oak: an island

[i.imgur.com image 400x282]


After all the ice melts, what is left may well be an island.
 
2013-09-23 12:56:14 PM
TV's Vinnie: [So you're saying there's a chance]

I was actually thinking the same thing when I posted it, but I was on a phone so hard to post an image.

// Internet high five.

machodonkeywrestler: Well, tell us what yours is or STFU. Otherwise you're just being a pedantic prick.

A lot more than 5 years. Maybe 10-20 at least. During which time there was an actual surplus. I'm interested to see where you think you're trying to go with this. You remind me of a used house salesman trying to say houses are "historically" cheap (compared to 2007).
 
2013-09-23 12:57:01 PM
I always get a big charge out of Republicans who say the government ought to be run more like a business then when they get in office they "govern" in a manner that would, in the private sector, get their asses fired for cause, and would cause the business to fail.
 
2013-09-23 12:59:34 PM
Here comes the pivot! Get your screencaps ready.
 
2013-09-23 01:00:24 PM

Slaves2Darkness: BorgiaGinz: Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?

You don't know anything about how DC works, do you? For one thing, federal workers make lower wages than the standard for comparable positions in private industry. You want to know who makes the real money in our area? It's private contractors like SAIC, CACI, and Booz Allen, located across in Northern Virginia, not DC, who make the serious dough.
When mopes like you complain about "fatcat government workers", people who actually live and work here know you're full of shiat.

Well to be fair what they are mostly complaining about is government workers benefits. Benefits like comprehensive health care including vision and dental, disability insurance, life insurance, the large amount of vacation and sick time that we get. They also complain about government workers unions which are still strong and still protect those benefits. Mostly they are jealous and feel that everyone should eat the shiat sandwich that they have to eat in the private sector.

It's okay though, because if the forced me to go private sector I'd earn about 2 maybe 3 times what I earn now, but I sure would miss those 26 vacation days a year, flex time, and working in a supportive non-competitive environment. I've worked the private sector and while the pay is better the stress, hyper aggressive competition, and hostile work environment keeps me here.


AfGE and NTEU Gov't workers don't get disability insurance outside of Social Security, unless you are military (which is not AFGE or NTEU). Vision and dental is extra and not subsidized either unless you are postal or military. Sick time is the short term disability program, and you can't cash it out (but unused time counts towards your service time for your FERS account). Its basically heart attack insurance. Also you don't get the 26 days til you have 15 yrs in government. Its 13 for the first three years and 19.5 until you hit 15 yrs.

I'm not saying its a bad deal. My friends from school make two to three times GS-13 salary (lots of lawyers are 12s and 13s), and they get good benefits. The ones that make partner will eventually make even more than that. However, they also are expected to be on call during their vacations when they are allowed to take them.

Everything else is spot on though.
 
2013-09-23 01:00:41 PM

thurstonxhowell: Mike_1962: thurstonxhowell: phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?

How long do you think Costa Rica would remain an independent state if the US military did not exist?

Well, I don't believe you currently provide them with much. About 21 million in total aid since 2009. That includes everything. Prior to 2009 I believe they received little or nothing since they resisted US demands that all US citizens should have ICC immunity.

Costa Rica doesn't have its own military and has over 20% of it's claim to territory disputed by Nicaragua. Absent a super-power just to their north to make sure they abide by the ICC's decisions about where the boundary was between their two nations, I'm thinking Nicaragua might settle that dispute pretty quickly.


The area you refer to is Guanacaste - the province where I live. Chinchilla has sought UN intervention, but that's about as far as it's gone. No standing army since 1948 has advantages - and some serious disadvantages.
 
2013-09-23 01:01:01 PM
Also, there is a newly green health care thread re this NYT article.  TFA says insurers that participate in ACA exchanges will use narrower networks of providers, and that some people with pre-existing conditions are expected to choose not to use the insurance for that reason.
 
2013-09-23 01:01:49 PM

red5ish: I always get a big charge out of Republicans who say the government ought to be run more like a business then when they get in office they "govern" in a manner that would, in the private sector, get their asses fired for cause, and would cause the business to fail.


Government is supposed to do the things businesses can't. It doesn't stand to reason it should be run like a business.
 
2013-09-23 01:10:49 PM

Ricardo Klement: red5ish: I always get a big charge out of Republicans who say the government ought to be run more like a business then when they get in office they "govern" in a manner that would, in the private sector, get their asses fired for cause, and would cause the business to fail.

Government is supposed to do the things businesses can't. It doesn't stand to reason it should be run like a business.


I agree that government cannot and should not be run like a business. I do think that the government should function, and not be run by folks who think it should be destroyed.
 
2013-09-23 01:11:03 PM

Ricardo Klement: red5ish: I always get a big charge out of Republicans who say the government ought to be run more like a business then when they get in office they "govern" in a manner that would, in the private sector, get their asses fired for cause, and would cause the business to fail.

Government is supposed to do the things businesses can't. It doesn't stand to reason it should be run like a business.


Problem is, GOP logic doesn't seem to be able to connect those dots.
 
2013-09-23 01:12:14 PM

Weaver95: Ricardo Klement: red5ish: I always get a big charge out of Republicans who say the government ought to be run more like a business then when they get in office they "govern" in a manner that would, in the private sector, get their asses fired for cause, and would cause the business to fail.

Government is supposed to do the things businesses can't. It doesn't stand to reason it should be run like a business.

Problem is, GOP logic doesn't seem to be able to connect those dots.


Not lately.

/Republican
 
2013-09-23 01:17:19 PM

Slaxl: When will "welp" die?


As soon as king BoB allows it
 
2013-09-23 01:21:58 PM

Ricardo Klement: Weaver95: Ricardo Klement: red5ish: I always get a big charge out of Republicans who say the government ought to be run more like a business then when they get in office they "govern" in a manner that would, in the private sector, get their asses fired for cause, and would cause the business to fail.

Government is supposed to do the things businesses can't. It doesn't stand to reason it should be run like a business.

Problem is, GOP logic doesn't seem to be able to connect those dots.

Not lately.

/Republican


I don't know there's anything we can do about it either.
 
2013-09-23 01:24:02 PM

Dutch Pilsner: Slaves2Darkness: Muta: Aristocles: You know, it's annoying how pathetic the Farklibs are getting on this issue. You know you can't defend BOB's dud, so you try to change the subject.

Who is Bob?

Bob.
Bob's your uncle.
Uncle Sam.
President of the United States Barack Obama.
Barack OBama.
BOB

That's pretty silly.


Poor Aristocles...

lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-09-23 01:27:57 PM

Weaver95: Weaver95: sdd2000: what_now: KingKauff: I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.

Lowering the number of people who use the ER as primary care, making sure everyone is vaccinated will help everyone. Doing away with pre-existing condition denials and lifetime limits will help most people.

As will requiring health insurance companies to spend at least a specified percentage on health care and not profits.

And remember....actually paying for health care is considered evil. Apparently we aren't supposed to cut CEO pay under any circumstances ever.

Well...using corporate money collected to pay for health care to...ya know, pay for health care is considered evil. We're supposed to let the CEO use that money to buy a trophy wife and a new yacht.


Forget which alt you were logged in as?
 
2013-09-23 01:29:04 PM

Weaver95: I don't know there's anything we can do about it either.


Vote.
 
2013-09-23 01:34:43 PM

phenn: jigger: Just because this guy (somedude) feels entitled to a steady, uninterrupted stream of your money (collected by immoral means) doesn't mean that he actually is.

Thank you. This was the point I attempted to make and did a piss poor job of doing so.


No, you did OK.
It's just a piss-poor point.
 
2013-09-23 01:44:00 PM

red5ish: Weaver95: I don't know there's anything we can do about it either.

Vote.


Pray.
 
2013-09-23 01:48:53 PM

spartacus_prime: Weaver95: Weaver95: sdd2000: what_now: KingKauff: I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.

Lowering the number of people who use the ER as primary care, making sure everyone is vaccinated will help everyone. Doing away with pre-existing condition denials and lifetime limits will help most people.

As will requiring health insurance companies to spend at least a specified percentage on health care and not profits.

And remember....actually paying for health care is considered evil. Apparently we aren't supposed to cut CEO pay under any circumstances ever.

Well...using corporate money collected to pay for health care to...ya know, pay for health care is considered evil. We're supposed to let the CEO use that money to buy a trophy wife and a new yacht.

Forget which alt you were logged in as?


Weavs has been doing that self quote and continue rambling thing since forever. Or for at least as long as I've had him in decent poster green.
 
2013-09-23 01:50:17 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: It's gotta be better than one party rule.


At this very moment, the Republicans are planning to shutdown the government and crash the economy just to spite the Democrats.  I think I'd rather have the one party rule, at least until there's another party who's sane.
 
2013-09-23 01:51:49 PM

Dimensio: phenn: Rwa2play: phenn: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As someone who has been paying salaries like yours for 30+ years, fark you too. Get a real job.

8/10.  Bites acomin'.

Not a troll and I don't care. No one is entitled to the fruits of my labor but me and my family. This idea that my labor is someone else's property is ridiculous.

Let the bites come. I don't give a rip.

I assume, then, that you eschew use of all public roads, and of all goods transported on public roads.



That's the dumbest argument for Statism in the Statist Zombie playbook.  So, the State has taken over the job of planning, building and policing all of the roads, and implements a funding system that forces everyone to pay for it all by taxation, thereby completely destroying the economic viability of any other road system, and then when someone objects to that system as being, oh, inefficient or even insanely deadly, you fault them for using it.  The only road system that exists.  After the State has eradicated any possibility of any particular person having any choice in the matter.  Brilliant.

By that logic, when the US government took complete control over the entire EM spectrum in the 1920s, anyone who might suggest that there were about 1,000 other better ways the State could have gone about dealing with disputes over competing uses of that technology, you'd find fault with anyone who listened to the radio.

If the State tossed someone in prison, for no good reason, and took control of when he ate and what he ate, and he complained about his imprisonment and the food he was given, you'd fault him for eating -- for failing to object to his unjust imprisonment and conditions by starving himself.

If the State seized ownership of all of the Earth's oxygen, and you objected to that move, then you'd have to fault yourself for breathing.

Just think things through for 2 seconds before posting your inane crap.
 
2013-09-23 01:52:49 PM

Ned Stark: spartacus_prime: Weaver95: Weaver95: sdd2000: what_now: KingKauff: I find it amusing that the people who are against RomneyObamacare are the ones who won't even need it.

Lowering the number of people who use the ER as primary care, making sure everyone is vaccinated will help everyone. Doing away with pre-existing condition denials and lifetime limits will help most people.

As will requiring health insurance companies to spend at least a specified percentage on health care and not profits.

And remember....actually paying for health care is considered evil. Apparently we aren't supposed to cut CEO pay under any circumstances ever.

Well...using corporate money collected to pay for health care to...ya know, pay for health care is considered evil. We're supposed to let the CEO use that money to buy a trophy wife and a new yacht.

Forget which alt you were logged in as?

Weavs has been doing that self quote and continue rambling thing since forever. Or for at least as long as I've had him in decent poster green.


I do my best editing after I hit the send button.
 
2013-09-23 01:53:44 PM

HeartBurnKid: the Republicans are planning to shutdown the government and crash the economy



The government is not the economy.

The government is not doing much at all, except taking credit for the economic productivity of others.  It's what parasites do.
 
2013-09-23 01:58:38 PM

Phinn: HeartBurnKid: the Republicans are planning to shutdown the government and crash the economy

The government is not the economy.

The government is not doing much at all, except taking credit for the economic productivity of others.  It's what parasites do.


Oh, go Galt yourself you big baby.
 
2013-09-23 01:58:53 PM

Weaver95: Ricardo Klement: Weaver95: Ricardo Klement: red5ish: I always get a big charge out of Republicans who say the government ought to be run more like a business then when they get in office they "govern" in a manner that would, in the private sector, get their asses fired for cause, and would cause the business to fail.

Government is supposed to do the things businesses can't. It doesn't stand to reason it should be run like a business.

Problem is, GOP logic doesn't seem to be able to connect those dots.

Not lately.

/Republican

I don't know there's anything we can do about it either.


Not until pragmatic leadership takes over again. I don't know how long the failure has to go for that to happen.
 
2013-09-23 02:00:04 PM
I see all the brave, bootstrapping, rugged individuals are out today... *rolls eyes*

Rand's a farking childish, myopic hypocritical simpleton like most teabaggers and "libertarians", but he's smart enough to realize the GOP is going to lose this fight.
 
2013-09-23 02:00:39 PM

Ned Stark: red5ish: Weaver95: I don't know there's anything we can do about it either.

Vote.

Pray.


Love.

The new bestseller from fark.com's politics tab.
 
2013-09-23 02:03:37 PM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Dear Fed Employees & Military: We don't care about your bills or your problems. Private-sector America has it's own problems. STFU & GBTW.
Signed,
America.


The private sector has problems partially because of this ridiculous insistence on deregulation, which is part of what this fight's about. So don't discount the problems of other people just because they have different job titles than you. It all stems from the same root  party problem.
 
2013-09-23 02:07:22 PM
People act like taxes are tantamount to Francois Mitterand Kool-Aiding his way into their house, punching them in the head and stealing their wallet.
 
2013-09-23 02:08:01 PM

Phinn: HeartBurnKid: the Republicans are planning to shutdown the government and crash the economy

The government is not the economy.

The government is not doing much at all, except taking credit for the economic productivity of others.  It's what parasites do.


The front left tire is not my truck either, but if you yank that baby off while we're going 75 down an icy road everyone on board will definitely notice the difference for a second or two.
 
2013-09-23 02:09:49 PM

Ned Stark: Phinn: HeartBurnKid: the Republicans are planning to shutdown the government and crash the economy

The government is not the economy.

The government is not doing much at all, except taking credit for the economic productivity of others.  It's what parasites do.

The front left tire is not my truck either, but if you yank that baby off while we're going 75 down an icy road everyone on board will definitely notice the difference for a second or two.



The US economy consists of over 300 million people, and another few billion outside the US whose economic activity directly affects the US.  That system is infinitely more complex than your truck, and can adapt to changing conditions infinitely better than your truck.
 
2013-09-23 02:10:21 PM

Weigard: People act like taxes are tantamount to Francois Mitterand Kool-Aiding his way into their house, punching them in the head and stealing their wallet.


It's one thing when the revenue raised from taxes is going to stuff we need, like blowing up sand socialists in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's wasteful, though, when it goes to stupid infrastructure projects that nobody uses like roads and bridges, and it's the most egregious waste of all if it should somehow wind up helping those people.
 
2013-09-23 02:14:32 PM

thurstonxhowell: Mike_1962: thurstonxhowell: phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?

How long do you think Costa Rica would remain an independent state if the US military did not exist?

Well, I don't believe you currently provide them with much. About 21 million in total aid since 2009. That includes everything. Prior to 2009 I believe they received little or nothing since they resisted US demands that all US citizens should have ICC immunity.

Costa Rica doesn't have its own military and has over 20% of it's claim to territory disputed by Nicaragua. Absent a super-power just to their north to make sure they abide by the ICC's decisions about where the boundary was between their two nations, I'm thinking Nicaragua might settle that dispute pretty quickly.


Actually their dispute is over various rights concerning the river that forms the border, not so much a territorial dispute as a usage dispute based on a treaty from the 1800s. The issue was settled by the ICJ ruling. The US had nothing to do with it. As far as the US enforcing ICC decisions, you might want to rethink that. Clinton signed the statute of Rome but chose not to try to ratify the treaty. That signature obligates a signatory to refrain from obstructing the ICC, but without ratification little else. When Bush was in office, he abrogated the signatory status and actively opposed many of the ICCs mandates although that posture moderated over time. To date, I believe the only ICC action actually endorsed by the US was prosecution of Darfur crimes.
 
2013-09-23 02:15:45 PM

Weigard: People act like taxes are tantamount to Francois Mitterand Kool-Aiding his way into their house, punching them in the head and stealing their wallet.


They understate it then? Because, consequences that enforce taxes are actually far more severe than a hole in your wall and a punch. You'll go to prison or be killed.
 
2013-09-23 02:17:32 PM

Phinn: The government is not doing much at all, except taking credit for the economic productivity of others. It's what parasites do.


you have no idea how much work the public sector gives to the private sector, do you?
 
2013-09-23 02:25:00 PM

Phinn: Ned Stark: Phinn: HeartBurnKid: the Republicans are planning to shutdown the government and crash the economy

The government is not the economy.

The government is not doing much at all, except taking credit for the economic productivity of others.  It's what parasites do.

The front left tire is not my truck either, but if you yank that baby off while we're going 75 down an icy road everyone on board will definitely notice the difference for a second or two.

The US economy consists of over 300 million people, and another few billion outside the US whose economic activity directly affects the US.  That system is infinitely more complex than your truck, and can adapt to changing conditions infinitely better than your truck.


Shutting down the government is not like yanking off the front whee. No shutting down the government would be like driving at 25 miles an hour in your truck.
 
2013-09-23 02:30:26 PM

keylock71: I see all the brave, bootstrapping, rugged individuals are out today...


blogs.miaminewtimes.com
Pree-zent.
 
2013-09-23 02:33:50 PM

Mike_1962: thurstonxhowell: Mike_1962: thurstonxhowell: phenn: thurstonxhowell: I really, really want to know Phenn's occupation.

She's a mother. They know best, no matter how mind bogglingly stupid the things they say are.

I have been a creative director for 25+ years. These days, I work for myself.

Next question?

How long do you think Costa Rica would remain an independent state if the US military did not exist?

Well, I don't believe you currently provide them with much. About 21 million in total aid since 2009. That includes everything. Prior to 2009 I believe they received little or nothing since they resisted US demands that all US citizens should have ICC immunity.

Costa Rica doesn't have its own military and has over 20% of it's claim to territory disputed by Nicaragua. Absent a super-power just to their north to make sure they abide by the ICC's decisions about where the boundary was between their two nations, I'm thinking Nicaragua might settle that dispute pretty quickly.

Actually their dispute is over various rights concerning the river that forms the border, not so much a territorial dispute as a usage dispute based on a treaty from the 1800s. The issue was settled by the ICJ ruling. The US had nothing to do with it. As far as the US enforcing ICC decisions, you might want to rethink that. Clinton signed the statute of Rome but chose not to try to ratify the treaty. That signature obligates a signatory to refrain from obstructing the ICC, but without ratification little else. When Bush was in office, he abrogated the signatory status and actively opposed many of the ICCs mandates although that posture moderated over time. To date, I believe the only ICC action actually endorsed by the US was prosecution of Darfur crimes.


Oops. There is a territorial dispute in that Ortega wants one of Costa rica's provinces, but since I assume that that province has no desire to leave Costa Rica for Nicaragua I suspect little will come of it.
 
2013-09-23 02:34:43 PM

somedude210: Phinn: The government is not doing much at all, except taking credit for the economic productivity of others. It's what parasites do.

you have no idea how much work the public sector gives to the private sector, do you?


Yup... I work for a publicly traded and successful medical device company and a large portion of our customers are VA hospitals.
 
2013-09-23 02:43:46 PM

hugram: Yup... I work for a publicly traded and successful medical device company and a large portion of our customers are VA hospitals.


I have no doubt. Sometime in the late 90s-early 00s, the government (especially DoD) really ran hard to contractors to do most of the work that used to be done in-house.
 
2013-09-23 02:45:30 PM
There is a rational middle-ground between "OMFG! All taxes are evil, and the government does nothing but take our money!" and "If you've ever looked at a public road, then you should be happy to pay your taxes because we would all die without government!"

It is true that government serves a vital and necessary function in a well regulated free-market economy.
It is true that too much government is toxic to a thriving free market, and to individual liberty.
It is true that too little government is toxic to the protection and preservation of the common good.

Arguing to the absolutes is juvenile.

While I personally think that we have allowed the federal government to expand too far in its role in the economy and regulation of personal affairs, the solution to this is not to argue for the elimination of all government, but rather to shrink the size and influence of the federal government back to the levels and areas where it is effectively and appropriately involved.

For instance, Interstate highways and bridges are indisputably a province of the federal government, and an area where they can be most effective. However, local public schools are not. Regulation of shipping and transport is an area for federal direction, as is environmental protection. Marriage and employer benefits is not.

Obviously, opinions will vary, but it is just silly to be arguing between an absolutist "All tax is theft" position and a "All taxes are for the benefit of the common good" position. Neither is entirely correct, and neither is entirely wrong.
 
2013-09-23 02:47:51 PM

somedude210: Phinn: The government is not doing much at all, except taking credit for the economic productivity of others. It's what parasites do.

you have no idea how much work the public sector gives to the private sector, do you?



Everything that the "public sector" "gives," it has first taken from the productive sector, by force, involuntarily.

Therefore, everything that the government pays for is, by definition, things that people would not pay for voluntarily.  It's a perfect map of the things that people do not want to do.  Its activities cannot be legitimately counted as productive economic activity.

Instead, the State's expenditures are a perfect map of the things that people want other people to pay for.  Statists are extremely generous with other people's money, and awfully self-congratulatory whenever they seize control of the spending of other people's money.

The State does, of course, partially duplicate goods that would be produced voluntarily, in the absence of governmental coercion.  But it never replicates those productive functions, or else they would simply be done voluntarily.
 
2013-09-23 02:48:37 PM
It'd be great if all the other asshole, moron "libertarians" (but I repeat myself) would also move to some other country. I would appreciate that.
 
2013-09-23 02:51:31 PM

Ned Stark: Weaver95: I have conservative friends who still cannot accept that they've lost this fight. They refuse to accept that Obama won.

In what sense did conservatives lose? Their opponents adopted heritage foundation insanity as their health plan and then ran it across the goal line. Even now with only the house in their hands the most you can say is that conservatives probably wont be able to fark it up even more.

Liberals, uhhhh... didn't look as silly?


They have managed to let Obama claim credit for implementing the policy and appear like hypocrites for opposing it, not to mention the inordinate amount of political capital invested in the "Defund" campaign, which every rational, and even almost every irrational conservative, realizes is a disaster regardless of outcome.  If the government is funded it will be with a Republican house passing the bill, and if it is not it will be Senate Republicans filibustering the House Republican bill.

They are screwed, they know it, and the argument is merely over which Republican will be blamed for it
 
2013-09-23 02:53:11 PM
Mrbogey: As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?

What are you on about?
1. What evidence do you have that govt employees are doing their best to feather their own next the expense of the private sector?
2. I really care about economic decisions impacting govt. employees. We need to strike a delicate balance in how we compensate govt. employees. Pay too much and we take too much talent out of the private sector/ pay too little and we get what we pay for, crappy govt. services.
3. Usually when I hear complaints about govt. services it is a few people saying A- govt. employees are too stupid to do their jobs and B- govt. employees are overpaid. Usually those two don't go together.
4. As an American I care about bad economic decisions affecting all Americans. The problem in our society right now is that we are letting bad economic decisions affect every level of society except investors and CEOs. As I get nearer the end of my working days I am soon going to be making more on interest of my investment accounts than my stagnated management salary. I think it is silly that I will soon make more on money I put up when I was 20 than the 50 or so hours I work every week for my employer.
5. What do "Obama's dumb ideas" have to do with a government shut down? I think that A- the supreme court, B- the American People, and C- the combined body that is our National Legislature has determined we will try out this weird compromise called "Obamacare".

It seems odd that you want to punish "govt. employees" because of a decision made (that there is no evidence is harmful to the economy, the deficit, job creation, etc) made 4 years ago by Congress.
It seems that you would cut off your (unrelated) nose to spite your (oddly compromised) face. You, Mrbogey, are either way too emotional about politics or a troll that just baited me into wasting 8 minutes.

/it's the latter isn't it?
 
2013-09-23 02:55:02 PM
BojanglesPaladin:
It is true that government serves a vital and necessary function in a well regulated free-market economy.
It is true that too much government is toxic to a thriving free market, and to individual liberty.
It is true that too little government is toxic to the protection and preservation of the common good.


/reluctantly, adds Paladin to short list of greenish people
 
2013-09-23 02:55:29 PM

SpectroBoy: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

A) Stop trying to make BOB "a thing". You are embarrassing yourself.

B) The GOP is working towards nothing but hurting Obama.

C) Farklib isn't "a thing" either and makes no sense w/ regard to "FARK Conservatives"

D) Even Forbes magazine says calling Obamacare a "job killer" is a gross misrepresentation.

E) What is it with you guys and all the "forced down our throats: talk anyway?


The goon lives in a Fox News world, where war is peace, tax cuts increase revenue, and cutting food stamps will make starving babies become motivated enough to crawl out of their rusty cribs to go get a job.
 
2013-09-23 02:57:57 PM

Phinn: That's the dumbest argument for Statism in the Statist Zombie playbook.  So, the State has taken over the job of planning, building and policing all of the roads, and implements a funding system that forces everyone to pay for it all by taxation, thereby completely destroying the economic viability of any other road system, and then when someone objects to that system as being, oh, inefficient or even insanely deadly, you fault them for using it.


Excerpt of Article I, Section 8 of the United States Constitution:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

[...]

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;



Postal mail is transported on nearly all of the public roads in the United States of America (if a location receives postal mail, a postal road is typically used to reach that location). Therefore, nearly all public roads in the United States of America are "post roads".

You are complaining about a Constitutionally established power of government. Either you object to the United States Constitution, you lack any understanding of the United States Constitution or you are entirely dishonest. Please state which is the case.
 
2013-09-23 02:59:17 PM

4tehsnowflakes: BojanglesPaladin:
It is true that government serves a vital and necessary function in a well regulated free-market economy.
It is true that too much government is toxic to a thriving free market, and to individual liberty.
It is true that too little government is toxic to the protection and preservation of the common good.

/reluctantly, adds Paladin to short list of greenish people


I have BJP favorited and labeled "common sense"
 
2013-09-23 02:59:35 PM

Phinn: Everything that the "public sector" "gives," it has first taken from the productive sector, by force, involuntarily.

Therefore, everything that the government pays for is, by definition, things that people would not pay for voluntarily. It's a perfect map of the things that people do not want to do. Its activities cannot be legitimately counted as productive economic activity.


you understand that this^ right here is you advocating for anarchy. You're arguing that everything the government spends money on, it's money stolen from hard working people, so we should stop the government pay for anything, thereby rendering the government useless and unnecessary...which, of course, creates anarchy.

Phinn: Instead, the State's expenditures are a perfect map of the things that people want other people to pay for. Statists are extremely generous with other people's money, and awfully self-congratulatory whenever they seize control of the spending of other people's money.

The State does, of course, partially duplicate goods that would be produced voluntarily, in the absence of governmental coercion. But it never replicates those productive functions, or else they would simply be done voluntarily.


Nope, gonna disagree with you there. While *eventually* we may have bothered with producing a vaccine for small pox or polio, the government made it free for distribution in the hopes of actually eradicating the diseases. The government often uses money to pursue areas that the private industry doesn't follow because there's no immediate payout. We could've had CERN. We could've had our own super conducting super collider. We could've been the envy of the scientific community. You know why we aren't? Because the government wouldn't fund it and the private industry saw no need for it because there is no immediate payoff. What the hell do you do with a superconducting super collider? You smash particles. Why? Because fark, why not. Let's see what happens to better understand that.

That's what government spending does right. We spend money on research that may not have an immediate payoff, but could have unbelievable payouts later on, we just don't know it yet.
 
2013-09-23 03:03:39 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: keylock71: I see all the brave, bootstrapping, rugged individuals are out today...

[blogs.miaminewtimes.com image 250x226]
Pree-zent.


The proper line for that screen cap is "Somethin' happened to 'em, man." from the 'no shirt, no shoes, no dice' scene near the very beginning of the movie. I think you are thinking, perhaps, of the scene where spicoli orders a pizza in class (although he doesn't say "present").

/don't judge me
 
2013-09-23 03:13:31 PM
I have BJP favorited and labeled "common sense"

Really?  Well, I will give him a chance on my list in spite of that.

/"BOB"?
 
2013-09-23 03:14:14 PM

Phinn: somedude210: Phinn: The government is not doing much at all, except taking credit for the economic productivity of others. It's what parasites do.

you have no idea how much work the public sector gives to the private sector, do you?

Everything that the "public sector" "gives," it has first taken from the productive sector, by force, involuntarily.

Therefore, everything that the government pays for is, by definition, things that people would not pay for voluntarily.  It's a perfect map of the things that people do not want to do.  Its activities cannot be legitimately counted as productive economic activity.

Instead, the State's expenditures are a perfect map of the things that people want other people to pay for.  Statists are extremely generous with other people's money, and awfully self-congratulatory whenever they seize control of the spending of other people's money.

The State does, of course, partially duplicate goods that would be produced voluntarily, in the absence of governmental coercion.  But it never replicates those productive functions, or else they would simply be done voluntarily.


You have no concept of, say, scientific research, do you?

Hint: Most resaearch needs to be government funded, because it *CAN'T* guarantee profitable results. BECAUSE IT'S RESEARCH.

And some things that may be seen as trivialities or mere curiosities today... well.

So was electromagnetic induction. Or General and Special relativity.
 
2013-09-23 03:15:29 PM

4tehsnowflakes: I have BJP favorited and labeled "common sense"

Really?  Well, I will give him a chance on my list in spite of that.

/"BOB"?


Battery Operated Boyfriend. Poor Aristocles' vibrator has been acting up lately, and he's been really determined to tell us all about it.
 
2013-09-23 03:17:06 PM

Phinn: The State does, of course, partially duplicate goods that would be produced voluntarily, in the absence of governmental coercion. But it never replicates those productive functions, or else they would simply be done voluntarily.


That is an extremely over-simplified and narrow view. The military and national defense is an obvious exception, where the private sector simply cannot fill that need. NASA and space exploration are another. Labor laws, and the expenses associated with the monitoring and enforcing of them, as well as Environmental laws are not something that the private sector can/will do. Immigration is yet another.

I agree with your position that the Federal government takes more than it gives, and wastes resources, and duplicates many things that would otherwise be handled by the private sector, but it is simply inaccurate (if not naïve) to argue that there is nothing it does that would not be done by the private sector.
 
2013-09-23 03:21:32 PM

4tehsnowflakes: I have BJP favorited and labeled "common sense"

Really?  Well, I will give him a chance on my list in spite of that.


Thanks for the benefit of the doubt, but I can pretty much guarantee that any number of Farkers will completely disagree with you :)
 
2013-09-23 03:22:11 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Federal government takes more than it gives


Except it does not. You really need to learn about a concept in Economics called the money multiplier. For the government to take more than it gives it would have to take more than 70% of an individuals income in taxes.
 
2013-09-23 03:27:04 PM

Dimensio: Postal mail is transported on nearly all of the public roads in the United States of America (if a location receives postal mail, a postal road is typically used to reach that location). Therefore, nearly all public roads in the United States of America are "post roads".



It wasn't always so.  The term "post road" (at the time that clause was written) meant a road that was used by the Post Office to carry mail.  The power over post roads was to designate which (existing) roads were to be used for carrying the mail.  It was only later that it came to mean the power to build any road, anywhere, as government power was decreed to be broadened, by 19th century Statist assholes like Clay and Calhoun, to suit the interests of the people who had bought and paid for men like Clay and Calhoun.

Besides, even your interpretation limits the power over roads to mean projects that are confined to facilitate the mail, and designed accordingly.  The government certainly does not exercise control of roads for such a limited purpose, but rather as a means of controlling the development, location, size and other aspects of all commercial and residential building, everywhere.  And, of course, there's also the government's involvement in the car and oil industries, which is ... extensive.  And not limited to facilitating the mail.

Besides, there's no law of the universe that says that the Constitution is infallible.  It explicitly acknowledged and protected slavery, after all.  The power to regulate the value of money was also a big mistake, and a big plus that was exploited by bought-and-paid-for political whores of the day, like Hamilton and Gallatin.

And still further, I was talking about how your ethical reasoning was irretrievably wrong -- that anyone who objects to the intelligence or ethics of the total domination by the government over road-building is somehow at fault for using roads, or anything carried on roads, even though he has no choice in the matter.  I see you have ignored that point, and completely changed the basis of your argument, now that your reasoning error has been pointed out to you.
 
2013-09-23 03:27:56 PM

Ned Stark: Weigard: People act like taxes are tantamount to Francois Mitterand Kool-Aiding his way into their house, punching them in the head and stealing their wallet.

They understate it then? Because, consequences that enforce taxes are actually far more severe than a hole in your wall and a punch. You'll go to prison or be killed.


Someone was killed for not paying taxes?
 
2013-09-23 03:29:37 PM

Slaves2Darkness: BojanglesPaladin: Federal government takes more than it gives

Except it does not. You really need to learn about a concept in Economics called the money multiplier. For the government to take more than it gives it would have to take more than 70% of an individuals income in taxes.



You really need to learn about a concept in politics called "bullsh*t."
 
2013-09-23 03:30:38 PM

monoski: Ned Stark: Weigard: People act like taxes are tantamount to Francois Mitterand Kool-Aiding his way into their house, punching them in the head and stealing their wallet.

They understate it then? Because, consequences that enforce taxes are actually far more severe than a hole in your wall and a punch. You'll go to prison or be killed.

Someone was killed for not paying taxes?



If you resist going to the State's prison, you will be killed, yes.
 
2013-09-23 03:32:41 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Labor laws, and the expenses associated with the monitoring and enforcing of them, as well as Environmental laws are not something that the private sector can/will do.


Companies fear private lawsuits more than they fear government oversight, because regulatory oversight is often soft and the company can negotiate over its (non)compliance.  So the statement is true only if you consider the plaintiffs' bar not a part of the private sector.  If you write laws that encourage lawyers to bring civil cases on behalf of people who suffer wrongs in the course of employment, or on behalf of environmental protection groups, then the lawyers address the problems by suing the alleged perpetrators.  Legislatures can create those incentive by having provisions that say, for example, that plaintiffs can recover attorney fees if they win.

Farkers might think it is better to have a government agency enforcing labor laws than a plague of lawyers running around suing people.  But these kinds of laws (the ones that encourage Saul) already exist for some kinds of civil claims.  In those areas, companies tend to be proactive about compliance to avoid the potential liability.
 
2013-09-23 03:34:36 PM
Well, Paul's not up for election in  any capacity until 2016, so he has the freedom to say this now without relative backlash as the slack-jawed goldfish who make up his constituency will have forgotten this slight by late 2015.  If I had to put money on it, I'd say this is a move to keep his ideological detente with McConnell from detonating considering turtle-head is facing a primary challenge from his right flank, which would ruin his 2016 presidential bid as McConnell would assuredly go scorched earth on Paul for not delivering the tea party vote. I could easily see McConnell, if he's primaried in 2014, running for Paul's seat in 2016.

Trying to strengthen his position as a bridge between the tea party and moderate Republicans is a savvy move on his part, for a potential presidential bid. Paul is only 50, which means he has yet a decade or two to build his resume even if a 2016 bid falls through.
 
2013-09-23 03:35:08 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Except it does not. You really need to learn about a concept in Economics called the money multiplier. For the government to take more than it gives it would have to take more than 70% of an individuals income in taxes.


I am familiar with the concept. I am also familiar with the fact of government waste, and that a dollar spent directly has more of a multiplier effect than a dollar sent round trip through DC, as I'm sure you are.

But on a more direct level, I don't know many people who can say that they get a value from the government equal to more than a third of their income, much less when you include ALL local and state taxes. Now you might be able to argue about all the things that government does, and you would be right about a lot of it, but to the average American, they believe they would reap a greater personal reward and benefit from allocating that 30-50% of revenue directly.

And there is a matter of degree. If an American in 1960 was taxed 20% of his income, and an American is taxed 30% today, can you point to the 10% of additional benefit provided to them? If you dropped an American's income tax by 5%, would they benefit 5% less?

The problem is that many of the 'benefits' are not applicable to the person whose salary is being taken from. To pick a random example, If you are a childless citizen, all the money spent on education public schools is of no direct benefit to you, and there is no way of monetizing what the indirect benefits might be. And that is the problem with blindly accepting the money multiplier concept when it comes to the federal government.
 
2013-09-23 03:39:15 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Companies fear private lawsuits more than they fear government oversight, because regulatory oversight is often soft and the company can negotiate over its (non)compliance. So the statement is true only if you consider the plaintiffs' bar not a part of the private sector.


Those lawsuits require that there have been laws and regulations broken. Which requires government. They also require courts. Which requires government. They also require enforceability. Which requires government.

Also, the two systems are not mutually exclusive.
 
2013-09-23 03:44:40 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Headso: you'd pretty much have to be an idiot, we can all argue about how much money and how robust the  social services and military  should be done but you really have to be a dumbass to not understand that the money has to come from somewhere.

Import tariffs.
Renting out public property.
Loaning money to banks for interest.
Make all roads and airports have a Federal toll.
And finally, if necessary, printing more money.

Reduce the military to 1/10 of its current size, stop doing anything outside of North & South America.
Eliminate farm and other subsidies.
Eliminate the FDA, EPA, and similar organizations.

Having no Federal taxes is definitely doable.  Well, it was, before the national debt exploded.  Now we'd have to print a bunch of money to cover interest on the debt, which will cause inflation.  Still doable, just more painful.

Gotta have local taxes, but those aren't the same thing.  Most Libertarians don't object to local taxes, because if you don't like 'em, you can move easily enough.  Kind of like HOAs.  States are the tricky ones, since of the five ways I mentioned above, their only option is tolls.

But no, it's not ridiculous.


Libertarians are just as weird and squirrelly about local taxes as they are about federal ones. There's the thing that they immediately try to implement at the state level, which is to eliminate personal income taxes and then claim to be 'more fair' by switching over to a higher sales tax, which is always very regressive. Then they just love harvesting revenue by imposing all sorts of strange fees on different things, which enables them to portray themselves as anti-tax while continuing to stick their hands in the pockets of the citizens (and it's always the less affluent citizens that they target).

I saw an example of the weird mental pathology that allows this behavior. Two years ago a teabagger ran for city council in my city, which is an ultra-liberal place. One of the big issues was building affordable rental housing: the neighborhood of affluent homeowners was infuriated, and fought it tooth and nail, although they perceive themselves as liberal and kind.

So, this teabagger comes along and says that renters are getting a 'free ride' on city services because they don't pay property taxes. Of course, they do pay them, but indirectly. He wants to focus anger on renters, so he says that city property taxes should be eliminated, and the city should fund itself via a ... Get ready ... City personal income tax!!!

Now, you know that this guy's very fiber of his being hates personal income taxes more than anything, but he's willing to advocate an idiotic alternative just to penalize a demonized group. And if he could get his cockeyed system legislated, he'd immediately attack the personal income tax that he'd recently advocated. Because to them it's all about posturing and attacking poor people.
 
2013-09-23 03:46:04 PM

BojanglesPaladin: 4tehsnowflakes:

lawsuits require that there have been laws and regulations broken. Which requires government.


I thought we established above that anarchy was off the table.

Also, the two systems are not mutually exclusive.

As a policy matter it is possible for a state or federal government, through legislation, to shift the burden of enforcing some laws from governmental agencies to the plaintiffs' bar.  The agency, presumably, could then take a smaller bite from the public treasury.

/IANAE
 
2013-09-23 04:00:15 PM

Phinn: If you resist going to the State's prison, you will be killed, yes.


Oh wow. The derp's getting much deeper than I expected, and me without my waders today. I'm outta here...
 
2013-09-23 04:10:23 PM

Aristocles: You don't remember how BOB and the dems "passed" Obamacare, do you?


Who is BOB?
 
2013-09-23 04:12:47 PM
Phinn, despite myself I took about ten seconds to read a random post (this one about postal roads etc.) and I just wanted to thank you for confirming to me that anyone complaining about "statism" is an ideological nitwit who is stuck living in an agrarian past despite this being an industrial world. Go find yourself some corner of ND without that evil DARPA and liberal elite university-developed internet and get started breeding with your own kin already.
 
2013-09-23 04:15:23 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Phinn, despite myself I took about ten seconds to read a random post (this one about postal roads etc.) and I just wanted to thank you for confirming to me that anyone complaining about "statism" is an ideological nitwit who is stuck living in an agrarian past despite this being an industrial world. Go find yourself some corner of ND without that evil DARPA and liberal elite university-developed internet and get started breeding with your own kin already.


Another random snippet shows that person to be living in Costa Rica currently. So, yeah even more awkward.
 
2013-09-23 04:19:02 PM

Triple Oak: Crotchrocket Slim: Phinn, despite myself I took about ten seconds to read a random post (this one about postal roads etc.) and I just wanted to thank you for confirming to me that anyone complaining about "statism" is an ideological nitwit who is stuck living in an agrarian past despite this being an industrial world. Go find yourself some corner of ND without that evil DARPA and liberal elite university-developed internet and get started breeding with your own kin already.

Another random snippet shows that person to be living in Costa Rica currently. So, yeah even more awkward.


Wrong person. I live in CR. Don't know where phinn is.

Easy enough mistake to make.
 
2013-09-23 04:22:48 PM

monoski: Ned Stark: Weigard: People act like taxes are tantamount to Francois Mitterand Kool-Aiding his way into their house, punching them in the head and stealing their wallet.

They understate it then? Because, consequences that enforce taxes are actually far more severe than a hole in your wall and a punch. You'll go to prison or be killed.

Someone was killed for not paying taxes?


Many someones, actually.
 
2013-09-23 04:25:25 PM

4tehsnowflakes: As a policy matter it is possible for a state or federal government, through legislation, to shift the burden of enforcing some laws from governmental agencies to the plaintiffs' bar. The agency, presumably, could then take a smaller bite from the public treasury.


You would have to explain much better how that would actually work.

And the Courts themselves still require government and tax funding.

And I'm not sure how the economy would function BETTER by encouraging even more tort lawsuits against businesses.
 
2013-09-23 04:26:06 PM

Ned Stark: monoski: Ned Stark: Weigard: People act like taxes are tantamount to Francois Mitterand Kool-Aiding his way into their house, punching them in the head and stealing their wallet.

They understate it then? Because, consequences that enforce taxes are actually far more severe than a hole in your wall and a punch. You'll go to prison or be killed.

Someone was killed for not paying taxes?

Many someones, actually.


... after giving the courts the finger many times and completely disregarding court orders. Of course if you can't misrepresent any and all situations you might have to adopt an ideology that isn't utterly useless.
 
2013-09-23 04:28:23 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: Phinn: If you resist going to the State's prison, you will be killed, yes.

 I'm outta here...


When they kick at your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?

When the law bursts in,
How you gonna go?
Shot down on the pavement
Or waiting in death row?
 
2013-09-23 04:31:01 PM

Huggermugger: Libertarians are just as weird and squirrelly about local taxes as they are about federal ones.

Huggermugger: Now, you know that this guy's very fiber of his being hates personal income taxes more than anything, but he's willing to advocate an idiotic alternative just to penalize a demonized group.


I think you may be misunderstanding the mindset of many libertarians, which holds that the most local authority is the most legitimate and effective, because it is the most (presumably) controllable by and answerable to the local people over whom it exercises that authority.

It may also be worth noting that not all libertarians are objectivists or randians who believe that "taxation is theft".

So I don't know the guy in your CSB, but even if it is idiotic from a practical standpoint, it "makes sense" from a traditional libertarian perspective that he would favor the most local of solutions for a local problem.
 
2013-09-23 04:40:42 PM

BojanglesPaladin: 4tehsnowflakes:

And the Courts themselves still require government and tax funding.


True, but the courts are the least dangerous branch of government.  They stand between you and the deprivation of your various rights and privileges.  They command no armies.  Ideally, they are insulated from having to respond to political pressures (as federal judges, for example, have life tenure unless impeached).

And I'm not sure how the economy would function BETTER by encouraging even more tort lawsuits against businesses.

As I said, the threat of getting sued makes companies comply with those laws and regulations for which a violation brings the sharks circling, so the public policy goal (say, that companies not dump toxic sludge in waterways) is achieved without having to set up and fund a government agency to enforce it.  If the policy is sound, creating incentives to sue and at the same time incentives to comply, all without much marginal increase in costs to the government, can be a win-win.  Chambers of commerce and the rest of the business lobby will usually oppose such measures.
 
2013-09-23 04:47:40 PM

Mrbogey: somedude210: As a government employee who already suffered furloughs this summer, fark you TeaTards. You have done nothing to improve this country and done everything to destroy it. I've got bills to pay and you're not helping matters

As a non-govt employee who is tired of govt employees doing their best to feather their own nest at the expense of the private sector, who really cares that bad economic decisions are finally impacting you? Did you think these dumb ideas Obama is implementing would keep screwing over only everyone else forever?


Talk about 0 to Asshole in 2.5 seconds.

Jesus, what else does GOP propaganda say?
 
2013-09-23 04:49:05 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Aristocles: Jairzinho: FTA: "...the presidential prospect said Republicans in Congress could use votes on measures in the House and in the Senate to come up with compromise legislation that could make the law more palatable."

Now that you guys realize that it's not going to happen, now, now you want to COMPROMISE? What would you guys give up that you could still obtain? NOTHING!! so Fark OFF!!!!

Actually, no. If the dems, libs, and Farklibs would simply listen to what the Teabaggers are saying, maybe there wouldn't be so many misconceptions.

The Grand Old Party is working diligently to save America. The biggest job killing piece of legislation since the days of FDR is Obamacare, so it's important to tackle that first. But, BOB and the dems have been stubborn and have only changed Obamacare in ways that benefit their cronies, i.e. BOB and the dems have not been looking out for the American people. As Obamacare is slowly forced down the American people's throats, Republicans are keeping an open mind about ways to prevent the bungled, anti-Freedom legislation from destroying our Great Nation.

Who's BOB?


Gary PDX in his new trolling guise. I miss the old Gary who wasn't referred to as "Bob".

BobPDX just doesn't roll off the tongue as pretty.
 
2013-09-23 04:49:07 PM

BojanglesPaladin: 4tehsnowflakes: I have BJP favorited and labeled "common sense"

Really?  Well, I will give him a chance on my list in spite of that.

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt, but I can pretty much guarantee that any number of Farkers will completely disagree with you :)


Heh. Yeah, about that..

(favorite: fan of slavery)
 
2013-09-23 04:50:58 PM

4tehsnowflakes: the threat of getting sued makes companies comply with those laws and regulations for which a violation brings the sharks circling


This is outright false. The short term benefits would normally vastly outweigh the long term problems except for the regulatory bodies' ability to directly penalize individuals rather than the corporation. Torts do not normally have that reach, and the disconnect between executive's individual risk and the corporate risk is causative to a lot of irresponsible behavior.
 
2013-09-23 05:00:50 PM

4tehsnowflakes: True, but the courts are the least dangerous branch of government.


We were discussing tax-funded expenditures that the government can provide that cannot be easily provided by the private sector, not evaluating "danger levels".

(But for the record, courts are FAR more likely to do lasting and serious damage to the lives of American businesses and American citizens than the US military.)

4tehsnowflakes: As I said, the threat of getting sued makes companies comply with those laws and regulations for which a violation brings the sharks circling, so the public policy goal (say, that companies not dump toxic sludge in waterways) is achieved without having to set up and fund a government agency to enforce it. If the policy is sound, creating incentives to sue and at the same time incentives to comply, all without much marginal increase in costs to the government, can be a win-win.


Proving that there has been wrong-doing requires both damages, a preponderance of evidence in the case of a tort, and legal standing to sue for redress. Just because ACME Corp is dumping mercury into the river does not mean that you can go sue them to make them stop until AFTER you have irreparable and permanent neurological damage that you can conclusively prove originated from THEIR dumping (and not the other 14 companies up river doing the same thing. And, of course, you would have to find an attorney willing to even take the case on contingency with the resources gather evidence, and to overcome huge corporate legal teams and resources. It's just not reliable. The advantage will always be with the giant corporations. You NEED an authority that can skip past decades of legal wrangling and just STOP environmental disasters right then and there.

Also, if we bottom line it. We already HAVE that. Companies get sued all the time, and yet companies still break the law.

If you were right, no one would be polluting, and there would be no need for government enforcing anyways. But that's just not the case.
 
2013-09-23 05:01:40 PM

Evil High Priest: (favorite: fan of slavery)


Yeah. That says more about you than me.
 
2013-09-23 05:01:42 PM

mainstreet62: jigger: Just because this guy (somedude) feels entitled to a steady, uninterrupted stream of your money (collected by immoral means) doesn't mean that he actually is.

He's trying to work, he's not being lazy.

And what is this nonsense about collecting money immorally? Are you another person who thinks our government employees are supposed to be paid with unicorn farts?

We pay to use the service and infrastructure of our electric & gas companies. Same thing with government. Is this a difficult concept to grasp?


I think in Liberteria, government functions must need to be done by serfs.  Not slaves mind you because there is a cost in feeding them.
 
2013-09-23 05:08:57 PM

sprawl15: 4tehsnowflakes: the threat of getting sued makes companies comply with those laws and regulations for which a violation brings the sharks circling

This is outright false.


Maybe you would accept that it discourages them, or some of them?

regulatory bodies' ability to directly penalize individuals rather than the corporation

You may be confused.  Whether an officer of a company can be individually liable does not depend on whether enforcement is carried out by a governmental agency or a private plaintiff.  Some laws, like the one that prohibits companies from colluding to fix prices, specifically provide for individual liability if certain criteria are met.  But in general, an agency has no greater legal power to pierce the corporate veil than anyone else.  Of course, the agency may have the additional leverage that comes from being able to threaten criminal charges against officers of the company.  Lawyers are not allowed to use that threat to gain advantage in a civil case.

Torts do not normally have that reach, and the disconnect between executive's individual risk and the corporate risk is causative to a lot of irresponsible behavior.

Sounds like you are arguing for weakening the protection of the corporate form across the board.  I bet you also think corporations shouldn't have free speech rights (campaign $$)
 
2013-09-23 05:09:20 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Ned Stark: monoski: Ned Stark: Weigard: People act like taxes are tantamount to Francois Mitterand Kool-Aiding his way into their house, punching them in the head and stealing their wallet.

They understate it then? Because, consequences that enforce taxes are actually far more severe than a hole in your wall and a punch. You'll go to prison or be killed.

Someone was killed for not paying taxes?

Many someones, actually.

... after giving the courts the finger many times and completely disregarding court orders. Of course if you can't misrepresent any and all situations you might have to adopt an ideology that isn't utterly useless.


Yes, these days they do do a lot of paperwork before they open fire. That hasn't always been the case. And even though it is the case now, it doesnt actually mean the government is shooting people over paperwork. The whole point is to extract wealth. None of the paperwork that went unheeded during the escalation of force would have existed without the taxes being levied in the first place.

Also, I fail to see how accepting your assertion would make it nessecary to update my ideology. I'm already in favor of forcible wealth extraction far in excess of what the US already carries out.
 
2013-09-23 05:13:53 PM
What a thread.  We have a real live example of the "keep the government out of my medicare" guy (Costa Rica's government controlled, regulated and administered mostly single payer healthcare system is great because the government keeps it grubby nose out of it), and people saying that a habitual liar like BJP is reasonable and has common sense.

I'm just really glad I stopped paying for this bullshiat.
 
2013-09-23 05:20:34 PM

BojanglesPaladin: 4tehsnowflakes: True, but the courts are the least dangerous branch of government.

We were discussing tax-funded expenditures that the government can provide that cannot be easily provided by the private sector, not evaluating "danger levels".

(But for the record, courts are FAR more likely to do lasting and serious damage to the lives of American businesses and American citizens than the US military.)


You disagree with Alexander Hamilton, who predicted that the judiciary would be the least dangerous branch.  Civil liberties advocates mostly think Hamilton was right about this.  But as a military man, you have other concerns than civil liberties, it seems.
 
2013-09-23 05:26:17 PM

Tor_Eckman: people saying that a habitual liar like BJP is reasonable and has common sense


Some other motherfarker said that, not me.  I said BJP had a probationary spot on my favorites based on something he said up-thread that suggested he and I might have some common ground.  If he comes out with lots of herp-de-derp, I'll admit I was wrong.
 
2013-09-23 05:38:40 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Maybe you would accept that it discourages them, or some of them?


Sure, but 'this is one of many factors' is a hugely different statement than 'this is the factor'.

4tehsnowflakes: Whether an officer of a company can be individually liable does not depend on whether enforcement is carried out by a governmental agency or a private plaintiff. Some laws, like the one that prohibits companies from colluding to fix prices, specifically provide for individual liability if certain criteria are met. But in general, an agency has no greater legal power to pierce the corporate veil than anyone else.


The last here is incorrect. As a contemporary example, companies engaging in FAR Part 15 FFP contracting are required to perform due diligence on their subcontractors' cost and pricing data. The subcontractors are free to be as open or closed with their prime as they desire, and are fully capable of claiming internal/secret/etc on whatever data they deem to be such. However, the DCAA is also required to do audits, and the subcontractor is not able to make such claims. There is a significantly greater degree of transparency that is given to the government than given to private entities. That's why the former part is incorrect; a government agency would be able to have far greater visibility within the corporate structure, which gives it significantly greater capability to go after the individual.

4tehsnowflakes: Sounds like you are arguing for weakening the protection of the corporate form across the board.


No, it sounds like I'm pointing out a dissonance in motivation. You seem to agree that there's a dissonance (and are mainly arguing the degree of dissonance and its import), so why do you feel the need to throw in utter nonsense like this and make yourself sound like a partisan shill?
 
2013-09-23 06:06:45 PM

4tehsnowflakes: You disagree with Alexander Hamilton, who predicted that the judiciary would be the least dangerous branch.


No I don't. Nor Does Alexander Hamilton disagree with me. We haven't discussed Hamilton, and you have no idea what my opinion of his thinking is. We can't exactly ask him his opinion on our current judicial system as it has evolved over the last two hundred years. If nothing else, he was speaking before Judge Marshall. (He died two years before Marshall was on the court) At this point we are talking about entirely different things than Hamilton was.

And again, we weren't discussing civil liberties either:
We were discussing tax-funded expenditures that the government can provide that cannot be easily provided by the private sector, not evaluating "danger levels".
(But for the record, courts are FAR more likely to do lasting and serious damage to the lives of American businesses and American citizens than the US military.)


An American citizen or business is much less to be negatively impacted directly by the US military much less interact with it, but they will almost certainly interact directly with the judicial system. And as we all know well, going to court is going to cost you something, no matter what.

4tehsnowflakes: But as a military man, you have other concerns than civil liberties, it seems.


Dude. The conclusions. You are jumping to them. I am not a military man, nor have I said anything to suggest I was.

Did you have a response to the point that:

Also, if we bottom line it. We already HAVE that. Companies get sued all the time, and yet companies still break the law.
If you were right, no one would be polluting, and there would be no need for government enforcing anyways. But that's just not the case.


It's OK if you don't. You were just throwing out ideas. I don't think that an all litigious system would be effective for controlling things like environmental abuse by corporations, and explained why, but I'm not attacking you for it or anything. Just discussing the topic you raised.

But don't try to contort this into some other discussion simply to avoid saying "never mind".
 
2013-09-23 06:07:37 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Evil High Priest: (favorite: fan of slavery)

Yeah. That says more about you than me.


Sorry, I honestly have no recollection of why I labeled you thus. It's not something I tend to do, willy nilly. So, are you saying that you are not a fan of slavery then?
 
2013-09-23 06:09:31 PM

Tor_Eckman: What a thread.  We have a real live example of the "keep the government out of my medicare" guy (Costa Rica's government controlled, regulated and administered mostly single payer healthcare system is great because the government keeps it grubby nose out of it), and people saying that a habitual liar like BJP is reasonable and has common sense.

I'm just really glad I stopped paying for this bullshiat.


Farkers really can be stunningly myopic. Where in the thread did I say anything remotely resembling 'keep government out of my medicare'? Start hunting.

And, another farking thing. It has been mentioned - more than once - that I do NOT benefit from CR's CAJA. I have to pay my own medical bills. Which is fine by me. CAJA is to benefit Ticos. Ticos do not make the wages people make in the US. Most make less than $3.00 hourly. They are pleased with how CAJA works and that's the end of it. I didn't move here to start changing shiat up to how I think it should be. I am a guest in this country and try to act like it as best I can.

I didn't leave the US because of Obamacare or government workers. There was a myriad of reasons and I won't go into them here. The fact that I still have opinions on matters in the US is because I have two adult children living there.

I've been in this thread all day and have been told I'm a moron, a bad mother and now I'm being lied about. Why? Because of my response to the Weeners in this thread.

Don't farking lie about what I've said. Don't make shiat up. It's not helping your side of any debate or conversation. Cool?
 
2013-09-23 06:12:09 PM
Are mandatory taxes for national infrastructure "theft", or not?
 
2013-09-23 06:13:43 PM

sprawl15: 4tehsnowflakes: Maybe you would accept that it discourages them, or some of them?

Sure, but 'this is one of many factors' is a hugely different statement than 'this is the factor'.


The more you tilt the law in favor of the plaintiff's bar, the scarier non-compliance becomes.

4tehsnowflakes:  an agency has no greater legal power to pierce the corporate veil than anyone else.

The last here is incorrect. As a contemporary example, companies engaging in FAR Part 15 FFP contracting ...


A company can agree to various conditions to get a government contract, including voluntarily surrendering some rights.  That is not the same as saying governmental agencies automatically have the power to pierce the corporate veil in a way that a private lawyer could not.  Anyways, this is too technical to entertain Fark.

 make yourself sound like a partisan shill?

Was not aware I had expressed a preference for either of the two major parties.  Have no such preference.  Admit to finding RAND PAUL an interesting figure.  He is nominally the subject of this thread.
 
2013-09-23 06:17:27 PM

Evil High Priest: Sorry, I honestly have no recollection of why I labeled you thus.


I have no clue, but if I had to guess, it was probably because I argued that "southern pride is not the same thing as support for the confederacy's defense of slavery" or that "most people who fought and died on the side of the confederacy did not do so for purpose of preserving slavery, but rather out of loyalty to and defense of their homeland".

There have been a number of these threads over the years and a number of Farkers who cannot accept either of those statements and therefore consider anyone supporting them must secretly be a racist (which is especially hilarious in my case), or is really a neo-klan apologist (also hilarious in my particular case).

So either you jumped to the wrong conclusions in one of those threads yourself, or you took some of the slap-fight brigader's word on what I was saying.

No. I am not a fan of slavery. I am, however, a fan of the south.
 
2013-09-23 06:20:51 PM

BojanglesPaladin: 4tehsnowflakes:

Did you have a response to the point that:

Also, if we bottom line it. We already HAVE that. Companies get sued all the time, and yet companies still break the law.
If you were right, no one would be polluting, and there would be no need for government enforcing anyways. But that's just not the case.


I did not advocate abolishing any particular agency such as EPA.  I pointed out that you can make government smaller and less expensive by shifting some kinds of regulatory enforcement burdens to private lawyers.  It was offered to those who automatically assume that when there is a societal ill, the only or best way to address it is to make it a crime, hire more LEO's to enforce it and declare war on the people who contribute to it.
 
2013-09-23 06:39:22 PM

Evil High Priest: Are mandatory taxes for national infrastructure "theft", or not?


i1277.photobucket.com

I think I know this one.  "No"?
 
2013-09-23 06:41:03 PM

4tehsnowflakes: I did not advocate abolishing any particular agency such as EPA.

I pointed out that you can make government smaller and less expensive by shifting some kinds of regulatory enforcement burdens to private lawyers.

We were discussing the falseness of an absurd assertion that the government is redundant to what the private sector can do and you said:

4tehsnowflakes: As I said, the threat of getting sued makes companies comply with those laws and regulations for which a violation brings the sharks circling, so the public policy goal (say, that companies not dump toxic sludge in waterways) is achieved without having to set up and fund a government agency to enforce it.

4tehsnowflakes: Companies fear private lawsuits more than they fear government oversight, because regulatory oversight is often soft and the company can negotiate over its (non)compliance.



And while I agree that companies are risk averse, and certain expensive litigation can be a deterrent to bad action, we already have a system whereby lawyers can sue for violations of the law, and we can clearly see that it is not enough.

Moreover, what you propose, even if it could be constructed in such a way as to actually be effective in reality STILL requires a governmental agency.

And further, while I agree that that people who think that "when there is a societal ill, the only or best way to address it is to make it a crime, hire more LEO's to enforce it and declare war on the people who contribute to it." are wrongheaded, neither do I think it is reasonable to say the alternative is to jettison governmental regulation, and create an alternate system of furious litigation.

If nothing else, it creates a dangerous scenario whereby those responsible for "protecting the public good" by filing suit against transgressors do so in a way that creates a profit motive for them to sue. There is an inherent flaw in a system that makes the financial self-interest of the plaintiff's the primary motivator for enforcement. It's a recipe for egregious, but unprofitable offenses to be ignored, and trivial, but lucrative offenses to be exploited for gain. It's a recipe for frivolous lawsuits, settlement extortion, and corruption.

In my opinion.
 
2013-09-23 06:42:04 PM
phenn:

Don't farking lie about what I've said. Don't make shiat up. It's not helping your side of any debate or conversation. Cool?

Other posters have not been kind to you in this thread, this is true.  This is not helping in any way (the left usually has facts and reality on its side and should use them instead of sinking down to a lower level), as being rude and creating personal attack distracts from the issue at hand, which in this case is an unrealistic idea of how governments and their employes should/do function.  However, remember the very first thing you contributed to this thread was an attack on someone because he was concerned about his job security.  You assumed that his job wasn't a "real" one and decided to attack whatever he did for a living without knowing any details of his employment.  That, combined with the way you present your interpretation of the role of government (which is naive, to be polite, but maybe it's just your delivery), has likely contributed to the hostile conversation.

I imagine Costa Rica is nice, but it's quite an easy place to move to once you've worked in the states for a couple of decades.  Living expenses are very cheap for someone of the industrialized world.  I sincerely doubt you would have moved there before you reaped the benefits of your American career and education.
 
2013-09-23 06:44:38 PM

BojanglesPaladin: Evil High Priest: Sorry, I honestly have no recollection of why I labeled you thus.

I have no clue, but if I had to guess, it was probably because I argued that "southern pride is not the same thing as support for the confederacy's defense of slavery" or that "most people who fought and died on the side of the confederacy did not do so for purpose of preserving slavery, but rather out of loyalty to and defense of their homeland".

There have been a number of these threads over the years and a number of Farkers who cannot accept either of those statements and therefore consider anyone supporting them must secretly be a racist (which is especially hilarious in my case), or is really a neo-klan apologist (also hilarious in my particular case).

So either you jumped to the wrong conclusions in one of those threads yourself, or you took some of the slap-fight brigader's word on what I was saying.

No. I am not a fan of slavery. I am, however, a fan of the south.


Yeah, that was probably it. You're a nice shade of (double secret probation) pink, not ignored, though. So that's nice.
 
2013-09-23 06:46:45 PM

Evil High Priest: You're a nice shade of (double secret probation) pink


I like pink.

/ifyouknowwhattImean.
 
2013-09-23 06:57:33 PM

4tehsnowflakes: A company can agree to various conditions to get a government contract, including voluntarily surrendering some rights. That is not the same as saying governmental agencies automatically have the power to pierce the corporate veil in a way that a private lawyer could not.


It is identical when the government creates the regulatory position such that the governmental agency has that power. A food inspector can walk into a restaurant at any time to check it for risky food preparation practices. A random citizen - or competing corporation - cannot. You keep begging the question by specifying only cases where the government is not constructed to have the power, then declaring that such a power is not constructed. And it's besides the point; it's a distraction from the actual assertion, that 'what is best for the company' and 'what is best for the people making decisions for the company' are very divergent motivations.

4tehsnowflakes: Was not aware I had expressed a preference for either of the two major parties.


You don't need to, to be a shill. Hurr you must corporate donations and furthermore comma because of no valid reason is what's wrong, not "therefore vote X" tacked on to the end.
 
2013-09-23 07:01:15 PM
BojanglesPaladin:

While I agree that companies are risk averse, and certain expensive litigation can be a deterrent to bad action, we already have a system whereby lawyers can sue for violations of the law, and we can clearly see that it is not enough.

We are speaking at cross-purposes.  My point is that you can put more teeth into laws intended to protect the environment or people sexually harassed at work by adding things like fee provisions.  I argue this can make an agency more efficient.  In a perfect hypothetical system of private enforcement, it would be unnecessary for that agency to have an enforcement arm.  The agency might still have lots of useful functions such as helping to formulate regulations and standards in its area of expertise.

Moreover, what you propose, even if it could be constructed in such a way as to actually be effective in reality STILL requires a governmental agency.

Yes.  I am OK with more courts to handle the extra work.

 neither do I think it is reasonable to say the alternative is to jettison governmental regulation, and create an alternate system of furious litigation.

That's a straw man.  No one said no regulations; the discussion is about enforcement mechanisms.

There is an inherent flaw in a system that makes the financial self-interest of the plaintiff's the primary motivator for enforcement.

Right, why should the victim be the one with the power to hold the big corporation's feet to the fire?  Better it be some bureaucrat who has never met her, but has her interests at heart from 9 to 5 every weekday along with 2,000 other claimants that need his attention.

It's a recipe for frivolous lawsuits, settlement extortion, and corruption.

Hmm, there's an appeal to a stereotype about greedy and unscrupulous lawyers.
 
2013-09-23 07:37:39 PM
sprawl15:

It is identical when the government creates the regulatory position such that the governmental agency has that power. A food inspector can walk into a restaurant at any time to check it for risky food preparation practices. A random citizen - or competing corporation - cannot. You keep begging the question by specifying only cases where the government is not constructed to have the power, then declaring that such a power is not constructed. And it's besides the point; it's a distraction from the actual assertion, that 'what is best for the company' and 'what is best for the people making decisions for the company' are very divergent motivations.

8/10 wow that is opaque.  Not biting.

 
2013-09-23 07:40:20 PM

Evil High Priest: Are mandatory taxes for national infrastructure "theft", or not?


There are no voluntary taxes. Nor any free slaves, tall midgets, or intelligent Yankees.

As for the theft question, yeah, changing the word you use to describe an act totes changes its ethical character.
 
2013-09-23 07:48:20 PM

Phinn: Evil High Priest: Are mandatory taxes for national infrastructure "theft", or not?

There are no voluntary taxes. Nor any free slaves, tall midgets, or intelligent Yankees.

As for the theft question, yeah, changing the word you use to describe an act totes changes its ethical character.


So all public infrastructure spending is theft. Okie dokie. And you wonder why people are considering your views negatively. It's refreshing actually, to be in the presence of a true, pure libertarian. Like staring into the abyss of self-centered derp.
 
2013-09-23 08:21:37 PM

TwoBeersOneCan: However, remember the very first thing you contributed to this thread was an attack on someone because he was concerned about his job security. You assumed that his job wasn't a "real" one and decided to attack whatever he did for a living without knowing any details of his employment.


Fair cop.

Again, it was the attitude that really stuck in my craw. Everyone in the states is feeling pinched. Public sector, private sector, etc. The OP I responded to got me fired up because their was an air of entitlement to it - at least as I read it. I still don't appreciate being lied about.
 
2013-09-23 08:46:46 PM

phenn: TwoBeersOneCan: However, remember the very first thing you contributed to this thread was an attack on someone because he was concerned about his job security. You assumed that his job wasn't a "real" one and decided to attack whatever he did for a living without knowing any details of his employment.

Fair cop.

Again, it was the attitude that really stuck in my craw. Everyone in the states is feeling pinched. Public sector, private sector, etc. The OP I responded to got me fired up because their was an air of entitlement to it - at least as I read it. I still don't appreciate being lied about.


Your attitude still needs a serious adjustment.
 
2013-09-23 09:06:51 PM

Evil High Priest: Phinn: Evil High Priest: Are mandatory taxes for national infrastructure "theft", or not?

There are no voluntary taxes. Nor any free slaves, tall midgets, or intelligent Yankees.

As for the theft question, yeah, changing the word you use to describe an act totes changes its ethical character.

So all public infrastructure spending is theft. Okie dokie. And you wonder why people are considering your views negatively. It's refreshing actually, to be in the presence of a true, pure libertarian. Like staring into the abyss of self-centered derp.


I don't particularly care how you consider it. Your opinion doesn't change the ethical character of the act of forcing people to pay for things against their will. Denying that you're a scumbag doesn't make you less of a scumbag.
 
2013-09-23 09:40:02 PM

Evil High Priest: BojanglesPaladin: Evil High Priest: (favorite: fan of slavery)

Yeah. That says more about you than me.

Sorry, I honestly have no recollection of why I labeled you thus. It's not something I tend to do, willy nilly. So, are you saying that you are not a fan of slavery then?


It would be more accurate to say he's a Confederate apologist.
 
2013-09-23 11:59:25 PM

Phinn: Evil High Priest: Phinn: Evil High Priest: Are mandatory taxes for national infrastructure "theft", or not?

There are no voluntary taxes. Nor any free slaves, tall midgets, or intelligent Yankees.

As for the theft question, yeah, changing the word you use to describe an act totes changes its ethical character.

So all public infrastructure spending is theft. Okie dokie. And you wonder why people are considering your views negatively. It's refreshing actually, to be in the presence of a true, pure libertarian. Like staring into the abyss of self-centered derp.

I don't particularly care how you consider it. Your opinion doesn't change the ethical character of the act of forcing people to pay for things against their will. Denying that you're a scumbag doesn't make you less of a scumbag.


Neo-Nazis hate Jews. Jews drive on public roads. Via taxes Neo-Nazis are forced to help the very Jews they hate drive on roads that they help pay for. DAMN THIS OPPRESSIVE STATISM!!1
 
2013-09-24 12:12:55 AM
Phinn: ...Your opinion doesn't change the ethical character of the act of forcing people to pay for things against their will...

Said on a machine that was invented and developed overwhelmingly by public universities and defense contractors with government funding, that's hooked up to a power infrastructure laid and maintained by government funding, that uses a telecommunications infrastructure laid and maintained by government funding, using a system of protocols developed using government funding by public universities and DARPA.

Please go Galt.
 
2013-09-24 06:41:23 AM

Phinn: Evil High Priest: Phinn: Evil High Priest: Are mandatory taxes for national infrastructure "theft", or not?

There are no voluntary taxes. Nor any free slaves, tall midgets, or intelligent Yankees.

As for the theft question, yeah, changing the word you use to describe an act totes changes its ethical character.

So all public infrastructure spending is theft. Okie dokie. And you wonder why people are considering your views negatively. It's refreshing actually, to be in the presence of a true, pure libertarian. Like staring into the abyss of self-centered derp.

I don't particularly care how you consider it. Your opinion doesn't change the ethical character of the act of forcing people to pay for things against their will. Denying that you're a scumbag doesn't make you less of a scumbag.



And this is the type of ignorance and simple-minded thinking that has gotten the Libertarians a whopping 5% of the vote, at best... You're a childish ideologue, who subscribes to a childish world view and childish philosophy.
 
2013-09-24 09:18:14 AM

Fart_Machine: It would be more accurate to say he's a Confederate apologist.


Hah, try reading his posts in a Foghorn Leghorn voice some time; it fits perfectly. He's got the "independent" act down to a science, actually - one of the more effective trolls on here.
 
2013-09-24 10:07:10 AM

4tehsnowflakes: My point is that you can put more teeth into laws intended to protect the environment or people sexually harassed at work by adding things like fee provisions.


These goal posts seem to keep shifting. OK. So now if you are simply suggesting fee provisions as a penalty for violations, I don't really have an argument to that, but it's not what you originally laid out. Also, we currently have fee provisions for violations of existing laws and regulations, so I'm not seeing a big difference. Maybe I'm missing something.

4tehsnowflakes: In a perfect hypothetical system of private enforcement, it would be unnecessary for that agency to have an enforcement arm.


I'm not exactly following the difference here. At some point, some agency with authority will have to step in to enforce whatever penalty has been assessed. In our current system, the enforcement agency is different from the regulatory/fining agency. (A Sherriff or other LE agency seizes property for a judgment, closes down a business, etc.  if it comes to that.) No matter who assigns the penalty, you will need an enforcement arm when people don't willingly comply.

4tehsnowflakes: Right, why should the victim be the one with the power to hold the big corporation's feet to the fire? Better it be some bureaucrat who has never met her, but has her interests at heart from 9 to 5 every weekday along with 2,000 other claimants that need his attention.


The two are not mutually exclusive. the victim CURRENTLY has the power to hold the big corporation's feet to the fire. We CURRENTLY have a plaintiff's judiciary relief AND a governmental regulatory agency enforcing the law. Your original premise was that the private sector could handle these things with no need for a governmental enforcement agency. I am not seeing a supported argument of how that would work.

4tehsnowflakes: Hmm, there's an appeal to a stereotype about greedy and unscrupulous lawyers.


Not really. It's an acknowledgement that a purely litigious control system that relies on a profit motive is extremely prone to abuses through frivolous lawsuits, settlement extortion, and corruption.

And your comment does not dispute that.

Anywho, interesting discussion. Have a great day.
 
2013-09-24 12:03:12 PM

phenn: TwoBeersOneCan: However, remember the very first thing you contributed to this thread was an attack on someone because he was concerned about his job security. You assumed that his job wasn't a "real" one and decided to attack whatever he did for a living without knowing any details of his employment.

Fair cop.

Again, it was the attitude that really stuck in my craw. Everyone in the states is feeling pinched. Public sector, private sector, etc. The OP I responded to got me fired up because their was an air of entitlement to it - at least as I read it. I still don't appreciate being lied about.


There's not a goddamn person who lied about you in this thread.  You read the guy's post one way, everybody else read your post in one way. The way I read it, you made the assumption, from no other data other than the fact that the other guy worked in the government, that not only was his job completely unnecessary, but he was also somehow responsible for the economic mess.  You went on to say that his desire to get paid for working was somehow a sense of entitlement and made him a moocher.

In other words, it's your attitude that really sticks in all our craws.
 
2013-09-24 01:25:33 PM

HeartBurnKid: phenn: TwoBeersOneCan: However, remember the very first thing you contributed to this thread was an attack on someone because he was concerned about his job security. You assumed that his job wasn't a "real" one and decided to attack whatever he did for a living without knowing any details of his employment.

Fair cop.

Again, it was the attitude that really stuck in my craw. Everyone in the states is feeling pinched. Public sector, private sector, etc. The OP I responded to got me fired up because their was an air of entitlement to it - at least as I read it. I still don't appreciate being lied about.

There's not a goddamn person who lied about you in this thread.  You read the guy's post one way, everybody else read your post in one way. The way I read it, you made the assumption, from no other data other than the fact that the other guy worked in the government, that not only was his job completely unnecessary, but he was also somehow responsible for the economic mess.  You went on to say that his desire to get paid for working was somehow a sense of entitlement and made him a moocher.

In other words, it's your attitude that really sticks in all our craws.


There actually is a goddamned person who lied about me in this thread, but that's okay. I don't expect you to read the entire thing.

What amazes me about all of this is that the person I responded to (fark you, I got bills to pay) hasn't gotten a peep of shame. But I, the person who finds fault with the system and decided to leave, got crucified.

The original poster didn't say "stop it, you chumps. You're hurting the country." Did he? No. Fark you. I got bills to pay. Total self interest. Acceptable. My self interest? Total batshiat - according to the people in this thread.

It is positively astounding that I was the one called out as being selfish. Called a biatch, a bad mother, a moron and on and on. By people who don't know the first thing about me - justifying such rubbish because I don't know the first thing about the person I replied to.

Stunning.

FARK has truly turned into an angry hive for the far left and that's a bloody shame.
 
2013-09-24 01:29:01 PM

phenn: HeartBurnKid: phenn: TwoBeersOneCan: However, remember the very first thing you contributed to this thread was an attack on someone because he was concerned about his job security. You assumed that his job wasn't a "real" one and decided to attack whatever he did for a living without knowing any details of his employment.

Fair cop.

Again, it was the attitude that really stuck in my craw. Everyone in the states is feeling pinched. Public sector, private sector, etc. The OP I responded to got me fired up because their was an air of entitlement to it - at least as I read it. I still don't appreciate being lied about.

There's not a goddamn person who lied about you in this thread.  You read the guy's post one way, everybody else read your post in one way. The way I read it, you made the assumption, from no other data other than the fact that the other guy worked in the government, that not only was his job completely unnecessary, but he was also somehow responsible for the economic mess.  You went on to say that his desire to get paid for working was somehow a sense of entitlement and made him a moocher.

In other words, it's your attitude that really sticks in all our craws.

There actually is a goddamned person who lied about me in this thread, but that's okay. I don't expect you to read the entire thing.

What amazes me about all of this is that the person I responded to (fark you, I got bills to pay) hasn't gotten a peep of shame. But I, the person who finds fault with the system and decided to leave, got crucified.

The original poster didn't say "stop it, you chumps. You're hurting the country." Did he? No. Fark you. I got bills to pay. Total self interest. Acceptable. My self interest? Total batshiat - according to the people in this thread.

It is positively astounding that I was the one called out as being selfish. Called a biatch, a bad mother, a moron and on and on. By people who don't know the first thing about me - justifying such rubbish because I don't ...


Because every single one of us has bills to pay, many of us have seen our ability to pay them diminished by the Tea Party's actions in one way or another, and -- unlike you -- we have a shred of empathy.

And FARK only seems like "an angry hive for the far left" because you're an angry asshole from the far right.
 
2013-09-24 01:35:19 PM

HeartBurnKid: And FARK only seems like "an angry hive for the far left" because you're an angry asshole from the far right.


Yes. My advocacy for rights for the disabled and LGBT communities speaks to that.

Sigh....
 
2013-09-24 02:22:19 PM

HeartBurnKid: And FARK only seems like "an angry hive for the far left" because you're an angry asshole from the far right.


Nah, she's right. Her topic point here was dead wrong, but about that? nailed it.

Fark lefties are particularly nasty and juvenile. And it's been getting worse. Not just a complete inability to accept the validity of contrary viewpoints, but an almost pathological need to strike out and attack anyone who fails to adhere to the groupthink.
 
2013-09-24 02:56:16 PM
Awful lot of projecting in here all of a sudden...
 
2013-09-24 03:20:37 PM

keylock71: Phinn: Evil High Priest: Phinn: Evil High Priest: Are mandatory taxes for national infrastructure "theft", or not?

There are no voluntary taxes. Nor any free slaves, tall midgets, or intelligent Yankees.

As for the theft question, yeah, changing the word you use to describe an act totes changes its ethical character.

So all public infrastructure spending is theft. Okie dokie. And you wonder why people are considering your views negatively. It's refreshing actually, to be in the presence of a true, pure libertarian. Like staring into the abyss of self-centered derp.

I don't particularly care how you consider it. Your opinion doesn't change the ethical character of the act of forcing people to pay for things against their will. Denying that you're a scumbag doesn't make you less of a scumbag.


And this is the type of ignorance and simple-minded thinking that has gotten the Libertarians a whopping 5% of the vote, at best... You're a childish ideologue, who subscribes to a childish world view and childish philosophy.



Did it make you feel better to get all of that out?
 
2013-09-24 04:18:26 PM

phenn: HeartBurnKid: And FARK only seems like "an angry hive for the far left" because you're an angry asshole from the far right.

Yes. My advocacy for rights for the disabled and LGBT communities speaks to that.

Sigh....


You must do that with my girlfriend.  She lives in Canada, you know.

Frankly, I don't know you from Adam.  What I do know is that, knowing nothing about somebody other than (a) he works for the federal government and (b) he enjoys being paid a living wage, you decided that he's lazy and entitled and the cause of all the country's problems.  And that's a very far-right thing to do.
 
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