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(Telegraph)   Apple CEO Tim Cook shows off the new features of the iPhone 5, like its fingerprint recognition, colorful cases, and more breakable outer casing   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 65
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Skr
2013-09-23 08:23:31 AM
breakaway outer casing sounds like an expensive luxury feature to me
 
2013-09-23 08:37:59 AM
All phones are medium risk.
Mostly stupid tests.
 
2013-09-23 08:43:58 AM
So instead of coming up with something game changing they instead opt to produce a slightlly more powerful phone that recognizes fingerprints and another that is the same as the old one but comes in four colors.

If Jobs were still alive I think he would have hung himself.
 
2013-09-23 08:44:44 AM
Anyone who's too cheap to buy a decent phone case gets when they deserve. I dropped my first iPhone into concrete twice in a Speck case and it's still fine.
 
2013-09-23 08:45:29 AM
Apple = garbage. Enjoy.
 
2013-09-23 08:58:53 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Apple = garbage. Enjoy.


Stop liking what I don't like! Waah. I still have a first gen iPod touch, no case, been dropped a few times and the screen is still nearly perfect. I still use it.
 
2013-09-23 09:01:23 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Apple = garbage. Enjoy.


So I've read maybe three threads today and you've trolled two of them.  Who are you an alt of?
 
2013-09-23 09:01:27 AM
DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks:

Apple = garbage. Enjoy.

Yet it still fares better then the Samsung Galaxy S4.

Samsung = garbage. Enjoy

Phones break when subject to accidents.
Put them in a good case, and get over it.
 
2013-09-23 09:12:22 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Apple = garbage. Enjoy.


The galaxy is a better phone but their early gen ipods weren't bad. I still use the first ipod with video (3rd?) sometimes. The macbook pros are ridiculous though, waste of money. I had one that lasted less than four years. Apparently they didn't put enough paste on the heatsink or something, that's how the "genius" explained it to me.
 
2013-09-23 09:13:51 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Apple = garbage. Enjoy.


just curious - do you get paid by the post or by the number of responses?
 
2013-09-23 09:14:56 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Derp.


Login:     DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks 
Account created:    2013-07-16 15:13:17


ah. never mind.
 
2013-09-23 09:15:32 AM
Table shows: Samsung phone more breakable than any Apple phone available.
Headline reads: Apple phone more breakable than it used to be.

Keep up the good work, Apple haters.
 
2013-09-23 09:17:51 AM

duffblue: The galaxy is a better phone


www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com

/Next time try RTFA
 
2013-09-23 09:18:13 AM
Scratches and damage to cases or phones that aren't on the front screen are more of a badge of honor for your phone, provided the back isn't glass. A good phone or case or have scratches, dents, scuffs after a long while of usage, and if it's still working with those, I'd say that's a badge of honor for the phone or case.
 
2013-09-23 09:31:47 AM
If you did not purchase a case for your phone, then drop and bust it, it is your own damn fault.

\Note 2 with Otter Box case
 
2013-09-23 09:44:10 AM
According to the article the only place the 5s does worse than the 5 is "The Slide Test."

Does anyone know what this means? It breaks because it's slid across a table? The back plate scratches? the screen?
 
2013-09-23 09:46:13 AM

Endive Wombat: If you did not purchase a case for your phone, then drop and bust it, it is your own damn fault.

\Note 2 with Otter Box case


Then I don't want to hear anyone talk about how thin their phone is when it's housed in a half inch think case.
 
2013-09-23 09:50:27 AM
So, it's slightly more breakable than the iPhone 5, but still almost exactly as breakable as the other phones they tested....? What a piece of shiat
 
2013-09-23 09:54:27 AM
 
2013-09-23 09:55:53 AM

TNel: Endive Wombat: If you did not purchase a case for your phone, then drop and bust it, it is your own damn fault.

\Note 2 with Otter Box case

Then I don't want to hear anyone talk about how thin their phone is when it's housed in a half inch think case.


Yeah, but since my phone is .3 inches thick, and yours is .45 inches thick if we both put on a .5 in thick case, mine is still thinner.


So there.

/Sorry, had to
 
2013-09-23 10:01:24 AM

Malacon: TNel: Endive Wombat: If you did not purchase a case for your phone, then drop and bust it, it is your own damn fault.

\Note 2 with Otter Box case

Then I don't want to hear anyone talk about how thin their phone is when it's housed in a half inch think case.

Yeah, but since my phone is .3 inches thick, and yours is .45 inches thick if we both put on a .5 in thick case, mine is still thinner.


So there.

/Sorry, had to


I just hate everyone talk about how nice their X phone looks and how thin it is and then pull out this monstrosity of a case.  I'm like WTH is that thing.  A simple silicone case is good enough and it's very thin if you need to have a case.  If you are dumb enough to drop it into the toilet then you deserve to have to buy a new phone.
 
2013-09-23 10:02:29 AM

Cymbal: So instead of coming up with something game changing they instead opt to produce a slightlly more powerful phone that recognizes fingerprints and another that is the same as the old one but comes in four colors.


If Jobs were still alive I think he would have hung himself.

guruprasad.net
www.iphonerepairlaptoprepairlasvegas.com

what
 
2013-09-23 10:05:30 AM

Malacon: According to the article the only place the 5s does worse than the 5 is "The Slide Test."

Does anyone know what this means? It breaks because it's slid across a table? The back plate scratches? the screen?


Yeah, that means nothing.


I also note that the company doing the tests is one that sells warranty plans. In other words, the more breakable the device, the more necessary it is for people to buy such plans. If they can convince you that your phone is a precious fragile little snowflake, you'll buy such a plan... maybe even from them.

So in other words, it's in their financial interest to convince you that your phone is highly vulnerable. I'd take the whole thing with not just a grain of salt, but an entire salt mine.

That's not to say smartphones are not vulnerable to damage (some people can break an anvil with a rubber hammer), but I'm not buying their contention that the 5S is more susceptible to damage than the 5 due to an unexplained "slide test"... especially when they're made the same damn way.

If you're worried about breaking your phone, get a case for it. I use a more minimal one because I have never had a problem with breaking cell phones (2.5 years with the iPhone 4, the only marks on it were some light scuffs around the mute switch). I know some folks for whom Otterboxes aren't near enough protection.
 
2013-09-23 10:08:46 AM

TNel: Malacon: TNel: Endive Wombat: If you did not purchase a case for your phone, then drop and bust it, it is your own damn fault.

\Note 2 with Otter Box case

Then I don't want to hear anyone talk about how thin their phone is when it's housed in a half inch think case.

Yeah, but since my phone is .3 inches thick, and yours is .45 inches thick if we both put on a .5 in thick case, mine is still thinner.


So there.

/Sorry, had to

I just hate everyone talk about how nice their X phone looks and how thin it is and then pull out this monstrosity of a case.  I'm like WTH is that thing.  A simple silicone case is good enough and it's very thin if you need to have a case.  If you are dumb enough to drop it into the toilet then you deserve to have to buy a new phone.


phone cases are like trucks - some people actually need them, a lot of people probably don't

personally if i didn't have a case my phone would've died a long time ago, it's my fault in that i bring my phone everywhere and i tend to go places where you can't baby a phone
 
2013-09-23 10:28:15 AM

TNel: Then I don't want to hear anyone talk about how thin their phone is when it's housed in a half inch think case.


I actually like the current thickness/weight of the iPhone. Add a case to it and it's easy to hold and not too heavy,

/though if I'm going to be on the phone for a long time, I just plug the headphones in.
 
2013-09-23 11:10:15 AM
The new iPhone.  All of the cost with twice the planned obsolescence.

Profit!
 
2013-09-23 11:32:35 AM
I wish the ST Breakability Scores were more comprehensive. It could be a decent gauge if they had more comparisons. Maybe start with the main manufacturer's top of the line phones and then work their way down. Samsung GS3, GS4, Note and Note 2 (3 soon?), HTC One, LG, Sony, Google Nexus 4 (5 soon), etc.
 
2013-09-23 11:34:24 AM
The shark is getting closer and closer with every release... Fonzi cannot be that far off to complete the cycle.
 
2013-09-23 11:43:22 AM
The lines to get into the apple store in manhattan Saturday were idiotic.

Get a life people!

That's all.
 
2013-09-23 12:06:17 PM
What I want to know is, what do people really expect from a new phone? Aside from a slightly larger/smaller screen, or in a different color, what exactly do people want that will be some earth shattering new phone? This also applies to anything from Samsung as well, and don't get me started on that joke of a watch phone that will be a huge dud.
 
2013-09-23 12:08:40 PM

AngryDragon: The new iPhone.  All of the cost with twice the planned obsolescence.

Profit!


I think the planned obsolesence is overplayed. I used to think that Apple did this, and it is true to the extent that all tech gets obsoleted. However, I've had a 4s for the last 2 years and it shows no signs of needing to be replaced even after installing ios 7. What you're seeing is the hardware finally catching up to the expectation of what the software should do.
 
2013-09-23 12:12:53 PM

drewsclues: AngryDragon: The new iPhone.  All of the cost with twice the planned obsolescence.

Profit!

I think the planned obsolesence is overplayed. I used to think that Apple did this, and it is true to the extent that all tech gets obsoleted. However, I've had a 4s for the last 2 years and it shows no signs of needing to be replaced even after installing ios 7. What you're seeing is the hardware finally catching up to the expectation of what the software should do.


"Planned obsolescence" is an accusation that gets leveled at any piece of tech. Heck, Apple does a far better job of keeping old devices in play than most others. Android manufacturers aren't notorious for supporting several new generations of the OS on their devices. Apple tends to allow iOS on even relatively ancient gear- for example, iOS 7 can be installed on the iPhone 4- a device that's not been cutting edge for a couple years now.

When I had an Android handset I couldn't even get an official copy of the Android OS that came out when the device was still new (it shipped with Donut, which wasn't even the current release at the time, then had a buggy update to Eclair, which by that time was no longer current, and it never saw FroYo).
 
2013-09-23 12:15:05 PM

duffblue: DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: Apple = garbage. Enjoy.

The galaxy is a better phone but their early gen ipods weren't bad. I still use the first ipod with video (3rd?) sometimes. The macbook pros are ridiculous though, waste of money. I had one that lasted less than four years. Apparently they didn't put enough paste on the heatsink or something, that's how the "genius" explained it to me.


4 years is a decent run for a laptop.  Sure, it should last longer, but do you need it to?  I typically upgrade after 3 years.
 
2013-09-23 12:15:08 PM
My whole take from the article is that tattooed stock brokers who ride the tube should buy spare phones since it guaranteed that they will drop them twice an hour or something.
 
2013-09-23 12:17:17 PM
People really ought to be more careful with their phones. I work at an iPhone repair shop and a few people haven't even made it out the door before dropping their phone yet again.
 
2013-09-23 12:28:59 PM
So what I took from the article is that phones made out of mostly glass and plastic could break easily if dropped and I should buy a warranty. Color me shocked....

That's why on our family plan I always keep an upgrade available. If the wife is out and drops her phone and steps on it that means it's new phone time.
 
2013-09-23 12:34:01 PM

AdamK: phone cases are like trucks - some people actually need them, a lot of people probably don't


I am one of the people that needs a case.  I am very clumsy.  Yes, it makes my phone bigger and heavier, but I do not give a shiat...fark, I've already got the biggest phone on the market, what do I care if with a case it suddenly is 1/4 of an inch larger?
 
2013-09-23 01:08:16 PM

Zizzowop: What I want to know is, what do people really expect from a new phone? Aside from a slightly larger/smaller screen, or in a different color, what exactly do people want that will be some earth shattering new phone? This also applies to anything from Samsung as well, and don't get me started on that joke of a watch phone that will be a huge dud.


Personally I want a bigger screen size, yes my S3 has a decent sized screen but Note 3 will be the next for me I use mine a lot and seeing more on screen will help a lot.  I think we are about at the point on gpu and cpu power now it will come down to efficiency to get the GPU and CPU to use very little power.  We really do need some better battery tech.

The rest will come down to software.  I know, S5 will have a retina scanner to one up the 5s.
 
2013-09-23 01:15:11 PM

TNel: Zizzowop: What I want to know is, what do people really expect from a new phone? Aside from a slightly larger/smaller screen, or in a different color, what exactly do people want that will be some earth shattering new phone? This also applies to anything from Samsung as well, and don't get me started on that joke of a watch phone that will be a huge dud.

Personally I want a bigger screen size, yes my S3 has a decent sized screen but Note 3 will be the next for me I use mine a lot and seeing more on screen will help a lot.  I think we are about at the point on gpu and cpu power now it will come down to efficiency to get the GPU and CPU to use very little power.  We really do need some better battery tech.

The rest will come down to software.  I know, S5 will have a retina scanner to one up the 5s.


Yeah, totally agree. They also need to be more durable, I know so many people with broken iPhones. I know, you can get a good aftermarket case, but why not make the phone that way to begin with. I want to check out the S4 Active, which is suppose to be water resistant .
 
2013-09-23 01:46:37 PM

Dazrin: I wish the ST Breakability Scores were more comprehensive. It could be a decent gauge if they had more comparisons. Maybe start with the main manufacturer's top of the line phones and then work their way down. Samsung GS3, GS4, Note and Note 2 (3 soon?), HTC One, LG, Sony, Google Nexus 4 (5 soon), etc.


They were going to be but they made the mistake of using a Nokia, which broke the testing apparatus. Always save the Nokia for last.
 
2013-09-23 02:22:22 PM

Oakenshield: Uh oh. Time to fire up the beleaguered tag again.


Exactly.

Combine the 9 million sold in the first weekend with the reports of the percentage of 5s models are out there vs 5C models and Apple went from first weekend sales of about 4 million flagships last year to about 7 million this year.

Clearly they are doomed.
 
2013-09-23 02:35:58 PM

duffblue: The galaxy is a better phone


If by "better" you mean a CPU that runs at less half the speed, a GPU that runs at less than half the speed, and roughly 50% less battery life when using mobile data?

dl.dropboxusercontent.com

dl.dropboxusercontent.com

dl.dropboxusercontent.com

/The Google Play Edition is the model sold in the states.
 
2013-09-23 03:12:35 PM

BullBearMS: Oakenshield: Uh oh. Time to fire up the beleaguered tag again.

Exactly.

Combine the 9 million sold in the first weekend with the reports of the percentage of 5s models are out there vs 5C models and Apple went from first weekend sales of about 4 million flagships last year to about 7 million this year.

Clearly they are doomed.


Except you are are cooking the books, they only released it in 9 markets last year, however this year they released it in 11, which included China.  Subtract those numbers from comparable markets last year.
 
2013-09-23 03:23:51 PM

Endive Wombat: If you did not purchase a case for your phone, then drop and bust it, it is your own damn fault.

\Note 2 with Otter Box case


Is your phone the size of an actual computer at this point?

Can you even fit that in a pocket and sit down at the same time?

I just don't understand the draw of a phone that size. I'd rather just have an old school flip and a laptop at that point.
 
2013-09-23 03:52:10 PM

theflatline: BullBearMS: Oakenshield: Uh oh. Time to fire up the beleaguered tag again.

Exactly.

Combine the 9 million sold in the first weekend with the reports of the percentage of 5s models are out there vs 5C models and Apple went from first weekend sales of about 4 million flagships last year to about 7 million this year.

Clearly they are doomed.

Except you are are cooking the books, they only released it in 9 markets last year, however this year they released it in 11, which included China.  Subtract those numbers from comparable markets last year.


You might have a point if they hadn't completely sold out of flagship devices both years.

The problem was supply, not demand.
 
2013-09-23 03:55:57 PM

BullBearMS: theflatline: BullBearMS: Oakenshield: Uh oh. Time to fire up the beleaguered tag again.

Exactly.

Combine the 9 million sold in the first weekend with the reports of the percentage of 5s models are out there vs 5C models and Apple went from first weekend sales of about 4 million flagships last year to about 7 million this year.

Clearly they are doomed.

Except you are are cooking the books, they only released it in 9 markets last year, however this year they released it in 11, which included China.  Subtract those numbers from comparable markets last year.

You might have a point if they hadn't completely sold out of flagship devices both years.

The problem was supply, not demand.


Too bad Walmarts, Best Buys, and Radio Shacks still have the 5s in stock.
 
2013-09-23 04:06:14 PM

theflatline: BullBearMS: theflatline: BullBearMS: Oakenshield: Uh oh. Time to fire up the beleaguered tag again.

Exactly.

Combine the 9 million sold in the first weekend with the reports of the percentage of 5s models are out there vs 5C models and Apple went from first weekend sales of about 4 million flagships last year to about 7 million this year.

Clearly they are doomed.

Except you are are cooking the books, they only released it in 9 markets last year, however this year they released it in 11, which included China.  Subtract those numbers from comparable markets last year.

You might have a point if they hadn't completely sold out of flagship devices both years.

The problem was supply, not demand.

Too bad Walmarts, Best Buys, and Radio Shacks still have the 5s in stock.


Awww... Android fanboy butthurt much? How thoughtful that you show up to troll in every single Apple thread.

By Saturday morning, less than 24 hours after the iPhone 5S went on sale in nine countries around the world, Apple (AAPL) had sold out its entire September stock.
 
2013-09-23 04:26:01 PM
As someone who works for Samsung I'm laughing so farking hard. All current models of the Galaxy products are equipped with corning generation III gorilla glass. That's why you don't have the horrific shattered phones on most android phones. Not mention better processing speeds, more adaptable user interface, better overall functionality than the closed environment iPhone. The iPhone is history. The same reason Apple who had huge personal computer market share in the 80s only to loose it entirely by the early 90s because they don't how to play well with outside developers. Hell the much lauded new a7 processor (who's going to languish in that 32 bit environment) is built by Samsung.
 
2013-09-23 04:30:04 PM
Top of the line otterbox is $79 for the iPhone 5 and makes it look like I'm smuggling a paperback in my pocket.  My deductable for applecare if I drop and break the thing is $50, and I can do it twice in two years.  Why should I use a case, again?
 
2013-09-23 04:34:06 PM

Timmy the Tumor: Top of the line otterbox is $79 for the iPhone 5 and makes it look like I'm smuggling a paperback in my pocket.  My deductable for applecare if I drop and break the thing is $50, and I can do it twice in two years.  Why should I use a case, again?


Shhhhh people can't do math.  Do you know how many people bought AT&Ts insurance that charges $5 a month and then a $50 deductible?
 
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