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(TSN)   Maple Leafs' Phil Kessel rattles some Sabres and Bernier decides it's Miller Go Time as 96 penalty minutes are handed out for a preseason line brawl and goalie fight   (video.tsn.ca) divider line 100
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2013-09-22 11:25:29 PM
Possibly better  alt link here (TSN seems to be slow for me these days). Between that and the 15-round shootout last night, it might be safe to say this has been the weirdest 24 hours of pre-season yet. Might be.
 
2013-09-23 12:27:22 AM
Also, Clarkson left the bench, so likely automatic 10 games there, plus an as-yet-undetermined suspension on Kessel for two tee shots on Scott. Best part was definitely the Bernier-Miller fight.
 
2013-09-23 12:36:17 AM
For the record, the almighty  Wheel of Justice gives 6 games for Clarkson and a paltry fine for Kessel.
 
2013-09-23 04:11:06 AM

ds_4815: For the record, the almighty  Wheel of Justice gives 6 games for Clarkson and a paltry fine for Kessel.


After those 3 I was thing you have got to be Canadian.
/I was right.
 
2013-09-23 04:49:00 AM
Kessel is a complete biatch.  He should probably hit the weight room, there is going to be some payback for two different two handed slashes, especially the last one,
 
2013-09-23 05:49:49 AM
Kessel better be getting a few games for that. Not only did he start it against Scott (boy, that was dumb), he then proceeded to slash him twice with his stick while skating away, and then came back and speared him while Scott was locked up with Clarkson.
 
2013-09-23 05:54:34 AM
Best things in life to watch:

Goalies fighting
Collisions at home plate
Mutton Bustin'
College kids storming the court / field after an upset win
 
2013-09-23 06:04:29 AM
I see the NHL as in kind of an awkward situation there.  Yeah, Kessel's gonna have to eat a suspension (2-4 games) for the second slash - he could have gotten away with the first one given that anybody else Kessel's size who has Scott coming after him with blood in his eyes is going to be hacking away to save his own life too.  The second slash is what drew the match penalty, and will (and should) draw a suspension.

The problem is that Clarkson is probably** going to get a 10-game suspension.  Given that Scott completely and totally instigated the entire thing (hell, he even got the instigator minor, and how often does that come out these days?), if he gets 10 games or less it appears that the league is rewarding him for instigating a line brawl that causes a star player to be out for a couple games and an important role-player to be out for a long time...at a minimal cost to the Sabres.  Oh no - they lose John Scott.  Truly, their Stanley Cup dreams may be crushed.  The retaliation is punished more harshly than the thing that caused it (and while we all know that's true with refs and penalties during a fast-paced game, having Shanny essentially officially confirm it as league policy will be bad), and thus we may start seeing goons risking a 1-2 game suspension to try and bait stars into 4+ game retaliations.

It was a great thing to see Clarkson some off the bench to basically rescue a guy who would have otherwise gotten destroyed, regardless.  Better to risk losing Clarkson for 10 games than lose Kessel for the season or longer.

**Clarkson never threw a punch.  While Rule 70.10 states:

The first player to leave the players' or penalty bench during an altercation or for the purpose of starting an altercation from either or both teams shall be suspended automatically without pay for the next ten (10) regular League and/or Play-off games of his team.

...he does have some grounds to appeal that sentence, insofar as he didn't really participate in the altercation.  All he actually did was help the linesman hold down Scott, who was attempting to throw off the linesman and rejoin the brawl.  While it's a slam-dunk he gets suspended, I can see the possibility of an appeal reducing the automatic 10-game suspension by a bit (down to 5 games, maybe?  The sentence for the "second" guy off the bench during a fight).
 
2013-09-23 06:17:13 AM
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That. This will be interesting to say the least. I actually have no problem with Kessel hacking at Scott, even the last couple and the jab, and I'll have no problem with him getting a couple of games for it. I'm surprised that doesn't happen more often, but then I guess most "tough" guys have at enough brain cells to realize you don't go picking on the smaller guys, especially the top guys. Scott did himself and the Sabres no favours with that bone headed decision.

Knowing the League's proclivity for completely screwing the pooch on supplementary discipline, I'm not holding my breath on them getting this right either.
 
2013-09-23 06:40:10 AM
So how far did Kessel run this time?
 
2013-09-23 06:53:39 AM
The Leafs are gonna be pissy all year, aren't they?

In other news. Hockey starts in 8 days!
 
2013-09-23 07:35:31 AM
Ryan Miller's Twitter:

Well... that escalated quickly.
 
2013-09-23 07:40:03 AM

SearchN: ds_4815: For the record, the almighty  Wheel of Justice gives 6 games for Clarkson and a paltry fine for Kessel.

After those 3 I was thing you have got to be Canadian.
/I was right.


I no thing has got to be Merican.
/I wrong
 
2013-09-23 07:53:46 AM
The idiot Tropp, who gets knocked out when his head hits the ice at the beginning, was a part of this charming incident in college.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zslb7M83YIU

MSU thugs attacked (hard to see) the Michigan guy and hurt him badly, hence the "Fark you State" cheers.
 
2013-09-23 07:57:28 AM

RsquaredW: Ryan Miller's Twitter:

Well... that escalated quickly.


I saw that this morning. Miller has been fun on twitter so far. I hope he keeps it up during the season.
 
2013-09-23 08:01:02 AM
Also I missed it but I'm sure that Rick Jeanneret's call of the fight was fantastic.
 
2013-09-23 08:09:53 AM

Mad Canadian: Best things in life to watch:

Goalies fighting
Collisions at home plate
Mutton Bustin'
College kids storming the court / field after an upset win


I loves me some hot goalie-on-goalie action.

And add bull riding to that list.  No matter how well they ride, the ending always the same- some dipshiat cowboy dick down in the dirt.  How does that ever get old?
 
2013-09-23 08:23:35 AM
Best part of last night was Neale and Bowen back in the booth
 
2013-09-23 08:28:41 AM
How I missed hockey. The suspensions will fly, but the animosity will live on.
 
2013-09-23 08:37:20 AM
Now I remember why I stopped watching hockey. If I wanted to watch boxing or MMA that's what I'd watch
 
2013-09-23 09:00:04 AM
Does any of it count if it's exhibition hockey?
 
2013-09-23 09:06:43 AM

rbaron71: Does any of it count if it's exhibition hockey?


The guy leaving the bench should be an automatic 10 game suspension.
 
2013-09-23 09:12:28 AM
Meanwhile, Clarkson will still count against the cap during his inevitable suspension, further complicating the Maple Leaf's cap situation.

Lulz
 
2013-09-23 09:20:27 AM
Well. That was a little uncalled for by Kessel, especially in pre-season. November 15th is the next time these two meet.
 
2013-09-23 09:22:25 AM

FightDirector: Given that Scott completely and totally instigated the entire thing (hell, he even got the instigator minor, and how often does that come out these days?),


You want to watch that again?  Kessel put his right fist into Scott's arm before Scott even makes a move towards him.  If Scott instigated anything it must have been verbal.  Perhaps he called Kessel a spineless coont but that wouldn't count as instigation because it's completely true.

Kessel makes the first physical contact and then backs away swinging his stick.  That and the post-fight spear ought to buy him a few games off.
 
2013-09-23 09:32:11 AM

Anderson's Pooper: FightDirector: Given that Scott completely and totally instigated the entire thing (hell, he even got the instigator minor, and how often does that come out these days?),

You want to watch that again?  Kessel put his right fist into Scott's arm before Scott even makes a move towards him.  If Scott instigated anything it must have been verbal.  Perhaps he called Kessel a spineless coont but that wouldn't count as instigation because it's completely true.

Kessel makes the first physical contact and then backs away swinging his stick.  That and the post-fight spear ought to buy him a few games off.


You mean the reach for Scott's arm? Wow. So you think Zimmerman stood his ground and OJ will someday find the real killer too?
 
2013-09-23 09:56:59 AM

Thudfark: You mean the reach for Scott's arm?


Absolutely.  Kessel makes the first move and the first physical contact and then uses his stick when things start going badly for him.  I'll give Kessel credit.  He baited Scott and the big guy went for it.  What makes Kessel a spineless coont is the stick swinging, especially the spear.  You want to draw a penalty by poking the bear? Go ahead, you know what's coming, just turtle and get on the power play.  Two handed axe swings and spears to defenseless players are complete BS as is dragging political crap into the sports tab.
 
2013-09-23 09:59:39 AM

Anderson's Pooper: Thudfark: You mean the reach for Scott's arm?

Absolutely.  Kessel makes the first move and the first physical contact and then uses his stick when things start going badly for him.  I'll give Kessel credit.  He baited Scott and the big guy went for it.  What makes Kessel a spineless coont is the stick swinging, especially the spear.  You want to draw a penalty by poking the bear? Go ahead, you know what's coming, just turtle and get on the power play.  Two handed axe swings and spears to defenseless players are complete BS as is dragging political crap into the sports tab.


THIS
 
2013-09-23 09:59:53 AM
I don't understand why GM's play even a single NHL'er during the preseason.  No possible glory, just chances at injury and suspensions.  I'd field a team of AHL'ers and CHL'ers, and leave the entire $70 million dollar team in the press box.
Christ, they play 82 regular season games, plus the playoffs, why would you want to make their seasons longer?
 
2013-09-23 10:06:08 AM

Whiskey Dickens: I don't understand why GM's play even a single NHL'er during the preseason.  No possible glory, just chances at injury and suspensions.  I'd field a team of AHL'ers and CHL'ers, and leave the entire $70 million dollar team in the press box.
Christ, they play 82 regular season games, plus the playoffs, why would you want to make their seasons longer?


Game speed and practice speed are two different things. The first two weeks of hockey last year were terrible because they didn't get any real practice games in and had about 3 days of camp to go over systems.
 
2013-09-23 10:12:35 AM

Anderson's Pooper: Thudfark: You mean the reach for Scott's arm?

Absolutely.  Kessel makes the first move and the first physical contact and then uses his stick when things start going badly for him.  I'll give Kessel credit.  He baited Scott and the big guy went for it.  What makes Kessel a spineless coont is the stick swinging, especially the spear.  You want to draw a penalty by poking the bear? Go ahead, you know what's coming, just turtle and get on the power play.  Two handed axe swings and spears to defenseless players are complete BS as is dragging political crap into the sports tab.


I'll go along with the second half of that, but if you think he baited Scott and instigated, you might want to lay off the weed. The video clearly shows Kessel about to touch Scott's arm palm first, no fist nothing aggressive. Sort of like me telling you Dude, really? Chill. If that's your threshold for instigating, then hockey isn't a sport you should be watching. Are you so certain Scott wasn't going all Ogolthorpe on Kessel before they even lined up? What's more likely, a goon verbally intimidating a smaller player, or a goal scorer who doesn't fight starting shiat knowing he's going to get murdered?
 
2013-09-23 10:18:14 AM
Kessel's gong to get a good bit of time at home for using the stick as a weapon.
 
2013-09-23 10:18:52 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Now I remember why I stopped watching hockey. If I wanted to watch boxing or MMA that's what I'd watch


Waaaaah.
 
2013-09-23 10:42:48 AM

Thudfark: The video clearly shows Kessel about to touch Scott's arm palm first, no fist nothing aggressive. Sort of like me telling you Dude, really? Chill.


LOL.

No, that is not what happened. Scott pissed him off, he shoved Scott, who of course had his gloves off in less time than it took for Kessel to think, "I'm dead."
 
2013-09-23 10:44:40 AM
In the PHT article showing Kessel's slashes, it says Scott told Kessel he was going to jump him, but Scott claims he was only joking.

James Mirtle @mirtle
Apparently John Scott wasn't happy with a Leafs tough guy knocking out Tropp and "joked" to Kessel he was coming after him.

Totally believable.
 
2013-09-23 10:54:15 AM

TheLads69: The idiot Tropp, who gets knocked out when his head hits the ice at the beginning, was a part of this charming incident in college.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zslb7M83YIU

MSU thugs attacked (hard to see) the Michigan guy and hurt him badly, hence the "Fark you State" cheers


Yeah, he and Conboy will never get any sympathy from me after that incident.  Tropp chopped at the neck of a guy, who was down on the ice and defenseless, and who had just come back from a serious neck and head injury.
 
2013-09-23 10:55:37 AM

swahnhennessy: Thudfark: The video clearly shows Kessel about to touch Scott's arm palm first, no fist nothing aggressive. Sort of like me telling you Dude, really? Chill.

LOL.

No, that is not what happened. Scott pissed him off, he shoved Scott, who of course had his gloves off in less time than it took for Kessel to think, "I'm dead."


Shoved? Methinks you need to watch the video again. I watched the whole game last night, well, this morning actually, and if he had shoved Scott I think I would have seen it, as would have the guys calling the game. And again, if you think that "shove" was grounds for a pummeling, you do need to get some things checked out. I'd start with your eyesight and go from there. If you're just a Kessel/Leafs hater, fine, whatever floats your boat, but to insist Kessel is responsible for all this somehow is just really really pathetic.
 
2013-09-23 11:04:09 AM
Man, I am not going to debate somebody who uses "methinks" in earnest.
 
2013-09-23 11:23:26 AM

swahnhennessy: Man, I am not going to debate somebody who uses "methinks" in earnest.


I could start using it in escrow if you like
 
2013-09-23 11:26:19 AM

ds_4815: For the record, the almighty  Wheel of Justice gives 6 games for Clarkson and a paltry fine for Kessel.


I think Clarkson's 10 games are mandatory.  And Kessel has to get some suspension.  I don't care how much of a goon Scott is, you can't set a precedent of allowing any player to skate up to another player involved in an altercation and take a two-handed baseball swing slash, not to mention when Kessel came up later and speared Scott when he the official had him tied up.  The league can't just let that slide.

That's not to defend Scott.  I'm not a huge Scott fan, or a fan in general of players who just fight and can't play.  I'd be fine with just bringing Scott out a few times a year to punch in Lucic's face, and then just have him sit in the pressbox the rest of the season.
 
2013-09-23 11:33:37 AM
Kessel... what a coward.  Hope he gets a significant number of games.

Lot of work for Shanahan this preseason.
 
2013-09-23 11:36:51 AM
My Leaf fan co-worker is trying to rationalize that Clarkson shouldn't get 10 games because he left the bench to "calm the situation" and/or because this is pre-season, not regular season.

It's rather funny to hear.

Shanahan won't be lenient. Clarkson gets 10 games. No question.
 
2013-09-23 11:43:06 AM
Kessel is claiming Scott said he was going to jump him.  Not sure if that's 100% true but Scott was out immediately after the Tropp fight and there was a lot of talking between him and Kessel right before this started.  If anything I think the NHL needs to use this as a starting point to start looking at suspending coaches as well as players for this kind of nonsense.
 
2013-09-23 11:47:39 AM

Flappyhead: Kessel is claiming Scott said he was going to jump him.  Not sure if that's 100% true but Scott was out immediately after the Tropp fight and there was a lot of talking between him and Kessel right before this started.  If anything I think the NHL needs to use this as a starting point to start looking at suspending coaches as well as players for this kind of nonsense.


Kessel and Clarkson both acted pretty stupidly, but I don't think that Carlyle should be suspended because of it.
 
2013-09-23 12:00:10 PM

Doc Daneeka: Flappyhead: Kessel is claiming Scott said he was going to jump him.  Not sure if that's 100% true but Scott was out immediately after the Tropp fight and there was a lot of talking between him and Kessel right before this started.  If anything I think the NHL needs to use this as a starting point to start looking at suspending coaches as well as players for this kind of nonsense.

Kessel and Clarkson both acted pretty stupidly, but I don't think that Carlyle should be suspended because of it.


Rim shot! Ironic that Carylyle's choice to send the Kessel line out to avoid any more shenanigans results in major shenanigans.
 
2013-09-23 12:03:12 PM

Doc Daneeka: Flappyhead: Kessel is claiming Scott said he was going to jump him.  Not sure if that's 100% true but Scott was out immediately after the Tropp fight and there was a lot of talking between him and Kessel right before this started.  If anything I think the NHL needs to use this as a starting point to start looking at suspending coaches as well as players for this kind of nonsense.

Kessel and Clarkson both acted pretty stupidly, but I don't think that Carlyle should be suspended because of it.


I was talking about Ron Rolston.  And before you have a minor aneurism keep in mind he's the one who sent Scott out right after Tropp got leveled.  I'm tired of coaches doing this kind of crap and then getting to shirk responsibility.  I hated it when Quinn used to send Domi out to "send a message" and I wanted to punch my tv whenever Bryan Murray decided to goon it up late in a game then put on his "Who me?  What did I do?" look in the post game presser.  You want to see this kind of crap end?  Simple, suspend a coach for sending out his cementhead(s) in situations like this.  Losing a five minutes or less thug doesn't hurt anyone, having the head coach sent to the press box for five games could be your season.
 
2013-09-23 12:26:48 PM
 
2013-09-23 12:32:26 PM

Flappyhead: I was talking about Ron Rolston.  And before you have a minor aneurism keep in mind he's the one who sent Scott out right after Tropp got leveled.  I'm tired of coaches doing this kind of crap and then getting to shirk responsibility.  I hated it when Quinn used to send Domi out to "send a message" and I wanted to punch my tv whenever Bryan Murray decided to goon it up late in a game then put on his "Who me?  What did I do?" look in the post game presser.  You want to see this kind of crap end?  Simple, suspend a coach for sending out his cementhead(s) in situations like this.  Losing a five minutes or less thug doesn't hurt anyone, having the head coach sent to the press box for five games could be your season.


They could call it the Peter DeBoer rule!
 
2013-09-23 12:39:14 PM

ds_4815: Down Goes Brown (via Grantland) with a good article on the donnybrook


That was reasonable, well expressed and humourous. This has no place on Fark. How dare you?
 
2013-09-23 01:03:31 PM

Flappyhead: Doc Daneeka: Flappyhead: Kessel is claiming Scott said he was going to jump him.  Not sure if that's 100% true but Scott was out immediately after the Tropp fight and there was a lot of talking between him and Kessel right before this started.  If anything I think the NHL needs to use this as a starting point to start looking at suspending coaches as well as players for this kind of nonsense.

Kessel and Clarkson both acted pretty stupidly, but I don't think that Carlyle should be suspended because of it.

I was talking about Ron Rolston.  And before you have a minor aneurism keep in mind he's the one who sent Scott out right after Tropp got leveled.


No, you're wrong.  Rolston didn't "send Scott right out."  Scott was already on the ice the previous shift.  He stayed out there after the Tropp fight.

Besides which, Carlyle had last change.  He saw the Scott was out there.  It was his decision not to put any fighters on the ice, and his decision to line up Kessel right across from Scott.  Carlyle is kind of a dope.

Rolston kept Scott on the ice after a fight-filled shift, and Scott tried to instigate a fight and took an instigator penalty, end of story.  On the Leafs side, you have players jumping of the bench and Kessel skating around swinging is stick like a weapon.  Pretty clear to me which side deserves the forthcoming suspensions.
 
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