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2013-09-22 10:16:35 PM
So, do I hate on the school, our system or the people that named their daughter Shatia?  I'm so
 
2013-09-22 10:20:00 PM
I broke my ankle in high school, snowflakemitter and the school didn't do shiat but call my mom.
 
2013-09-22 10:21:07 PM

sheep snorter: FTA: Academy?

So like a private school? Or one of them bastard charter schools.
People need to read them private school enrollment documents. They pretty well state that they can beat your kid and any injuries(by the school or by the kid) is not their responsibility.


It's a public charter. I figure that was her first mistake.

Based on the GreatSchools listing for Pontiac, Michigan, that academy is right in line with other elementary-level schools in the area in terms of test scores, and has a fairly low community rating. (Public and private parochial schools top the list.)

So yeah. Charter schools...
 
2013-09-22 10:22:11 PM

hardinparamedic: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: But yeah, I don't see why anything below a displaced fracture merits a 911 call. It seems more sensible to call the parents to drive the kid to the hospital, or drive them yourself.

911 for this seems a waste of the paramedics' valuable time.

It's not a waste of their "valuable time". It's their job.

Fractures, at the very least, are incredibly painful. Paramedics can provide immediate pain control appropriate for the level of pain that patient is experiencing. They can also perform proper splinting and re-alignment of the extremity, both preventing further injury to the extremity, as well as decreasing the on-going damage from an unstable fracture. In addition, it's far more comfortable and safer for that person.

A fractured humerus or tib-fib can cause a loss of around 1/12 the volume of the blood in the body. A Femur can cause 1/6th that volume to bleed out into the fracture site.

Paramedics can identify neurovascular compromise and injury, and either intervene to attempt to restore critical perfusion flow, or rapidly transport a person quicker and safer than someone in a private vehicle can to definitive, proper care.

It's not as simple as "oh, you broke a bone".

Peter von Nostrand: That was the old days before private ambulance companies realized they could make money off non emergency transports

Suddenly EMS became part of comprehensive community health care

You think ambulance companies make money off any 911 calls? That's cute.

The real money is in IFT transports. 911 is a general money loss, period.

And EMS has always been a part of comprehensive community healthcare. The only people who don't want to make it that way are certain industry unions who lobby for decreased professional standards and making an EMS License an add-on certificate to Firefighter I.

Community Paramedicine is a real thing. And if the Field EMS bill passes the house and gets to the Senate, it'll be a nationwide thing, rather than a regional experiment.


Ummmm, that's why I said make money off non emergency transports
 
2013-09-22 10:22:55 PM
BigDogDaddy:   So, do I hate on the school, our system or the people that named their daughter Shatia?  I'm so


That's the mom's name. The daughter's name is relatively pedestrian - Brianna.
 
2013-09-22 10:24:27 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Ummmm, that's why I said make money off non emergency transports


Apologies. I thought you were referring to "non-emergency" 911 transports.

911 is ALWAYS a loss of money for any service which enters into it. The reason the privates tend to do it is it gets them either into the regional market, or they have a lucrative contract from that city or municipality to do so.
 
2013-09-22 10:28:27 PM
@drewcurtis Can you please effing stop linking with auto redirects? It sucks on phones.
 
2013-09-22 10:29:38 PM
All the schools my kids attended had a release form instructing what to do (contact me and my wife in that order) and where to go (local children's hospital) in such an emergency. Any other non plan is unacceptable.
 
2013-09-22 10:32:49 PM

skinink: Reminds me of the time I was babysitting three kids, and the boy fell and sprained his toe. I took him to the hospital, where they refused to admit him because I did not have a medical release letter from his mother. so for the next couple of days he had to suffer, and he couldn't go to school because he was injured.

I'm so bad as a babysitter. The kid had injured himself four hours after his mother had left on her business trip.


dbickel.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-22 10:36:44 PM
On the scale of when to call 911 with 1 being you should go to jail for a very long time for calling including things like McDonald did not give me one of the apple pies I ordered or the guy at the cell phone place told me to make a test call and 911 was the only number I can think of. And 10 being you should go to jail for a long time for not calling including things like being in your 40s 9 months pregnant with a downs baby traveling halfway across the county when you water breaks but you decide to fly to Alaska from Texas then drive for hours to a small town doctor or your frat buddy had 3 5ths of vodka then stopped breathing. Calling 911 over a grade school kids broken arm with no signs of shock and no bones outside the body is about a 3 the only problem I see is letting a perfictly good ice cream sandwich get used like that
 
2013-09-22 10:38:47 PM

hardinparamedic: By the time the engine company got there and put hoses on it, he had stopped screaming. We watched him burn alive, because there was no way to get him out.


As an aside, I remember reading about an incident, Mark Twain might've written on it, where a man was burning alive trapped by an exploded boiler on a ship. Another man shot him (mercy killing). There was no possible way to save him and he was suffering terribly. Made sense to me. I'm honestly kinda surprised we never see incidents where cops do that, but I also suppose its due to the fact that there is so much that can be done today to try to save people.

I seriously hope I never see something like that in my lifetime. And as someone who's had to use an ambulance...thanks for doing it.
 
2013-09-22 10:39:39 PM

hardinparamedic: Peter von Nostrand: Ummmm, that's why I said make money off non emergency transports

Apologies. I thought you were referring to "non-emergency" 911 transports.

911 is ALWAYS a loss of money for any service which enters into it. The reason the privates tend to do it is it gets them either into the regional market, or they have a lucrative contract from that city or municipality to do so.


Probably my fault, I'm not totally familiar with how transports are broken down and the exact terminology
 
2013-09-22 10:41:01 PM
Well, she did scream....
 
2013-09-22 10:43:10 PM
When I was in school they just threw the broken kids in a ditch out back and let them worry about themselves....
 
2013-09-22 10:47:09 PM

GDubDub: @drewcurtis Can you please effing stop linking with auto redirects? It sucks on phones.


Ohhh...someone thinks drew personally green lights and inspects each link. That's precious
 
2013-09-22 10:47:53 PM

skinink: Reminds me of the time I was babysitting three kids, and the boy fell and sprained his toe. I took him to the hospital, where they refused to admit him because I did not have a medical release letter from his mother. so for the next couple of days he had to suffer, and he couldn't go to school because he was injured.

I'm so bad as a babysitter. The kid had injured himself four hours after his mother had left on her business trip.


That's nothing. A friend of mine was babysitting some kids one Halloween night, and this escaped mental patient showed up and stabbed all her friends across the street, then broke in on her and the kids and tried to finish them off too. She had to send the kids screaming down the road for help because nobody's parents could be found. Her worthless mom and dad didn't even show up after she'd been taken to the hospital to be treated for knife wounds and shock.

Come to think of it, she had a lot of problems on almost every Halloween night that followed, and her parents were always conveniently missing. I think they were in on it.
 
2013-09-22 10:52:22 PM
My kid has had 2 broken bones while at school.  In neither case did they call 911.  They correctly tried to call my wife first, then me.  And in neither case did I take her to the ER.  I called her primary doctor, got a referral to the orthopedist over the phone and took her straight there.  That's a $30 copay.  An ambulance trip to the ER is a $350+ copay.  She's kind of accident prone, we have her orthopedist on speed dial.  sigh.
 
2013-09-22 10:53:32 PM

Sliding Carp: Lady Indica: I can't believe some people in this thread are that stupid too. Of course you farking call 911.

Who pays the $1000 for the ambulance ride, and the $300 just to walk in the door of the ER?

/number out of my butt, but not insanely wrong.


i think that everybody is supposed to have insurance for this, right?  oh wait, that starts next year
 
2013-09-22 10:54:05 PM

ReapTheChaos: Lady Indica: I can't believe some people in this thread are that stupid too. Of course you farking call 911.

Do you have kids? If so you may want to call the school and find out what their policy is because I guarantee one of those papers you signed when you enrolled them was about this very subject.


No. My mother is a retired teacher though, so I'm familiar with public school policies on such things. In CA this would be a non-issue. They'd have called 911. This shiat happens all the time at schools, it's not uncommon. An EMT can also asess the situation (and/or consult w/ other medical ppl) and decide if transport is needed.

I don't think kids should be wrapped in bubblewrap. I am a fan of dodgeball (and was when I was a kid too). I don't think everyone should get a trophy for participating and interestingly enough as selfish as a human being as my mother could be, she was an incredibly selfless teacher who actually gave a shiat about her students. She put a lot of her own money into the classroom and is the teacher kids talk about 20 years later. I know the bullshiat schools and teachers have to go through. I also know the number of idiots employed by districts and how difficult it is to get rid of some asshats with tenure, despite the massive cutbacks, layoffs and essentially forced retirements.

My mom was pushed out. She's completely okay financially and she was going to retire soon anyway, she just didn't like how they pushed out the older teachers (reassignments, shady shiat, etc). I only mention this because a lot of the really good and dedicated professionals have been pushed out due to budget reasons (older teachers with higher education get paid a lot more) and other financial cutbacks just make it worse and worse.

When I was a kid, I had a head injury that resulted in a skull fracture and I didn't see a doctor for four days. And only then because the head swelling was so...gross. Today that would be unthinkable, because we know how serious head injuries can be. If a child gets a good knock on the head today, you have it checked out because while odds are good it's going to be just fine, we know about intracranial bleeds and how you can just die hours later.

Anyhoo, I rambled a lot but the point basically is...I'm not about swaddling precious snowflakes, but there's no reason to fark around when someone's hurt. And if you're not sure if it's broken, calling 911 gets it assessed and if they do not need to transport, AFAIK there's no charge.

As far as costs which someone else raised, most medical programs are shiatty for poor people, unless you're a child under 18. Most states have incredible programs for kids, because where some people don't give a fark about poor adults, kids are seen as 'innocent' of their circumstance. (I don't buy that shiat, but some do). So if you're poor, it's probably covered for your kids. If you're not poor, it may suck but you can pay for it. It sucks having to pay for a cast too. Or a cavity.

//so glad she has no kids. So glad.
 
2013-09-22 10:59:16 PM
When you hire inhuman people to teach your children you get inhuman responses to situations such as this. The teachers first thought in this case was themselves, not what was right for the kid.
 
2013-09-22 11:06:15 PM
Are you people insane? You don't call 911 and incur thousands of dollars in bills for a non emergency.
No one at school is authorized to take a child off grounds for any reason.
Where I live it's $2500 just for the ambulance.
They did exactly as most parents would have wanted them to.
Kids break bones thousands of times a year at school, it's just part of life.

/they should have had an ice pack
 
2013-09-22 11:10:36 PM

optikeye: GDubDub: @drewcurtis Can you please effing stop linking with auto redirects? It sucks on phones.

Ohhh...someone thinks drew personally green lights and inspects each link. That's precious


Also that this place works like twitter?
 
2013-09-22 11:11:46 PM

daisygrrl: RoyBatty: Bathia_Mapes: What part of In loco parentis don't these idiots understand?

Just the loco part.

(I fell off the monkey bars and broke my arm too...)

So did I! They called my parents after I told them it was broken (their first reaction was to tell me to walk it off). I had to wait in the nurse's office and didn't even get any ice (or ice cream...)

Too bad it happened in the eighties. My parents didn't sue and didn't switch my school. They just told me to learn how to fall better and bought me a happy meal on the ride home from the hospital.

/css


Now that you mention it, and this was at least 4 decades ago, I remember them saying "it might be broken" and my telling them "Oh, it's definitely broken."

(There's a very cool story of my 6th grade teacher leading a field trip to the tide pools (which was actually a disguised tax payer funded graduation beach party), and my mom helping me wrap up my cast in plastic wrap so I could go into the water, but that's for a different thread.)
 
2013-09-22 11:13:29 PM

grimlock1972: School messed up, they were too busy trying to cover their asses to get the child the medical care she needed.


Not the schools job.
Your kid, your problem.
They aren't farking babysitters.
 
2013-09-22 11:15:11 PM

Dwindle: Are you people insane? You don't call 911 and incur thousands of dollars in bills for a non emergency.


"Thousands of dollars?" Jesus Christ, what country do YOU live in?

"Non-emergency?"  Jesus Christ, BRO. KEN. ARM.

Do you live in the equatorial province of Lesser Guam, or something?
 
2013-09-22 11:15:45 PM
I'd have to see an X-ray before I pass judgement.

Could have been a greenstick fracture. Most people don't even know those exist.
 
2013-09-22 11:16:50 PM

Gyrfalcon: ArkAngel: You don't need to call 911 for a broken arm and the school could be held liable for bringing the child to the hospital if anything happens

1. Yes you do.
2. No they can't.

Broken bones can and often do cause considerably more serious damage than you see on TV. Compound fractures can sever blood vessels, tendons, and in any case need to be evaluated by doctors after an X-ray and/or MRI. Yes, the school would be liable for TAKING the kid to the hospital--that's why you call 911 and let some trained medics make that call. If the paramedics arrive and say "This kid needs to go to the ER," then she goes--the ER has to take her, the school has to let her, and the parents have limited lawsuit options after that. If the medics say "She can wait," then the school is absolved of the liability they're going to get nailed with after this little fiasco.

Paramedics are always your first line of defense against injury and lawsuits. That's what 911 is for, people.


Pretty dang much. When I was bouncing, that's why we had an incident log, you had something go futzy, you called 911. You logged what happened, you compared notes with the paramedics, you got names, you handed folks off to them, or you talked to the police for a minute or two. Or ten or twenty depending on the incident. When I was teaching, for DAMN sure you called 911 in the case of an emergency, AND the parents. Parents might decide that they'd rather drive the kid to the hospital, but in the case of a serious injury, that was beyond the school nurse's ability--you called 911. There's a difference between a bloody nose from a dodgeball, and a broken bone. Well, to be fair, a dodgeball injury can break a nose, but there's a reason that you use some f*cking judgment.
 
2013-09-22 11:21:00 PM

weltallica: Dwindle: Are you people insane? You don't call 911 and incur thousands of dollars in bills for a non emergency.

"Thousands of dollars?" Jesus Christ, what country do YOU live in?

"Non-emergency?"  Jesus Christ, BRO. KEN. ARM.

Do you live in the equatorial province of Lesser Guam, or something?


Yes, a BRO KEN ARM is not a serious medical emergency. You have hours to treat it properly and even in the worst cases death is not going to result without outside factors, like other trauma from the injury that also caused the broken arm.

It sucks when your arm is broke, and the lack of ice packs is disturbing, but a broken arm isn't like a heroin OD or a disembowelment. It's not a priority medical emergency.
 
2013-09-22 11:23:16 PM

weltallica: Dwindle: Are you people insane? You don't call 911 and incur thousands of dollars in bills for a non emergency.

"Thousands of dollars?" Jesus Christ, what country do YOU live in?

"Non-emergency?"  Jesus Christ, BRO. KEN. ARM.

Do you live in the equatorial province of Lesser Guam, or something?


I'm expecting someone to say they should've just pulled it straight and strapped some boards to it. $13.00 at ACE hardware.
 
2013-09-22 11:27:08 PM

Lady Indica: weltallica: Dwindle: Are you people insane? You don't call 911 and incur thousands of dollars in bills for a non emergency.

"Thousands of dollars?" Jesus Christ, what country do YOU live in?

"Non-emergency?"  Jesus Christ, BRO. KEN. ARM.

Do you live in the equatorial province of Lesser Guam, or something?

I'm expecting someone to say they should've just pulled it straight and strapped some boards to it. $13.00 at ACE hardware.


Nah, these days they graft the bone to titanium. They sell titanium sporks at the camping supply store. $7.00 a pop. That and some duct tape...
 
2013-09-22 11:32:11 PM

Albino Squid: When I was in fourth grade, I broke my finger playing kickball during lunch. My teacher, on the basis of his degree in kinesiology, declared that it wasn't broken, and I was fine. Immediately after lunch? Picture day...despite the best efforts of the photographer, I didn't muster much of a smile.


Fourth grade was awesome, wasn't it.

/spent 3/4 of the year sitting in the hallway, and the rest on recess.
 
2013-09-22 11:33:00 PM

EdgeRunner: skinink: Reminds me of the time I was babysitting three kids, and the boy fell and sprained his toe. I took him to the hospital, where they refused to admit him because I did not have a medical release letter from his mother. so for the next couple of days he had to suffer, and he couldn't go to school because he was injured.

I'm so bad as a babysitter. The kid had injured himself four hours after his mother had left on her business trip.

That's nothing. A friend of mine was babysitting some kids one Halloween night, and this escaped mental patient showed up and stabbed all her friends across the street, then broke in on her and the kids and tried to finish them off too. She had to send the kids screaming down the road for help because nobody's parents could be found. Her worthless mom and dad didn't even show up after she'd been taken to the hospital to be treated for knife wounds and shock.

Come to think of it, she had a lot of problems on almost every Halloween night that followed, and her parents were always conveniently missing. I think they were in on it.


You magnificent bastard.
 
2013-09-22 11:39:38 PM
Don't worry everyone.  This is a charter school.  The free market will sort this out.
 
2013-09-22 11:43:18 PM
I don't think you all understand the potential severity of a broken bone.  What this school district did was not within guidelines and I'd be surprised if they didn't get sued.
 
2013-09-22 11:43:43 PM
I broke my wrist in grade school (this was in the '90s).  No ambulance, they called my parents, who picked me up and took me to the doctor.

My friend's little sister fell off the monkey bars once at the same grade school, and broke both of her arms (tried to put her hands out to catch herself but was too slow, instead landed with both forearms parallel to the ground; compression fractures in both humeri).  No ambulance, they called her mom, who took her to the ER.  My brother fractured his arm twice during his time as a student at that school, and again, no 911 calls.  I knew of other kids who broke fingers, hands, and arms at various times at that school, and no 911 call was ever placed.

And you know something?  Not a single parent ever thought that was an issue.  For non-life-threatening injuries, the school called your emergency contacts.  911 was only for truly dire injuries.  And to me, that seems perfectly reasonable.  Given that the kid in question was 7, she most likely had a greenstick fracture, which is hardly a dire injury.
 
2013-09-22 11:56:35 PM
Now this little girls mom will be able to buy her grills and spinners


// got nuttin boss
 
2013-09-23 12:01:21 AM

ArkAngel: You don't need to call 911 for a broken arm and the school could be held liable for bringing the child to the hospital if anything happens


Actually, you really should, unless it has already been enough time that you know no further injury has occurred.

Take it from me, I have led a very stupid, unlucky life. Broken bones need attention immediately. Farking IMMEDIATELY. What you think is a simple fracture could end your life within a few hours.
 
2013-09-23 12:01:50 AM
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2013-09-23 12:02:44 AM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Now this little girls mom will be able to buy her grills and spinners


// got nuttin boss


If you fell down a well and died, the world's average IQ would rise.
 
2013-09-23 12:03:32 AM

LavenderWolf: ArkAngel: You don't need to call 911 for a broken arm and the school could be held liable for bringing the child to the hospital if anything happens

Actually, you really should, unless it has already been enough time that you know no further injury has occurred.

Take it from me, I have led a very stupid, unlucky life. Broken bones need attention immediately. Farking IMMEDIATELY. What you think is a simple fracture could end your life within a few hours.


She fell off the monkey bars no out of a plane.
 
2013-09-23 12:03:57 AM

95BV5: I broke my ankle in high school, snowflakemitter and the school didn't do shiat but call my mom.


Similar, I broke a finger playing some made up game the PE coach thought up.  Mom made the school cover the medical cost.  Then when I had to sit out of PE, per doctors orders due to possible ligament damage, the same coach docked my class grade because he didn't believe I had a broken finger.  His reason, the new plastic splint just being introduced that only requires a single piece of tape, just didn't look real to him.  Stupid jerk couldn't figure out why I turned him down flat the following year for his invitation to join track.

Two years prior, I wrecked my bike and got a nasty goose egg over my right eye.  Mom knew how to treat concussions the old school way, so I got tylenol and stayed awake most of the night.  My next day of school, I show up with most of the swelling still there and they freak out.  They screamed at my mom, she came down and took me in, they found I was battered but okay.  Yes, mom made them pay for the hospital trip.

The same year I broke my finger, I threw up in class.  They called my mom, and like before she gave them permission to release me on my own.  They chose not to do it that time, so instead I went back to class still sick.  I threw up a second time in class, and again they sent me back to class this time stinking of puke.  Teacher sent me back to office, and I sat till school ended and still had to walk home.  At no point being allowed to lay down, tylenol or get water while waiting in the office.

This mom has no complaint.

/my mom worked full time, so it took something serious for her to get me
 
2013-09-23 12:14:56 AM

Lachwen: I broke my wrist in grade school (this was in the '90s).  No ambulance, they called my parents, who picked me up and took me to the doctor.

My friend's little sister fell off the monkey bars once at the same grade school, and broke both of her arms (tried to put her hands out to catch herself but was too slow, instead landed with both forearms parallel to the ground; compression fractures in both humeri).  No ambulance, they called her mom, who took her to the ER.  My brother fractured his arm twice during his time as a student at that school, and again, no 911 calls.  I knew of other kids who broke fingers, hands, and arms at various times at that school, and no 911 call was ever placed.

And you know something?  Not a single parent ever thought that was an issue.  For non-life-threatening injuries, the school called your emergency contacts.  911 was only for truly dire injuries.  And to me, that seems perfectly reasonable.  Given that the kid in question was 7, she most likely had a greenstick fracture, which is hardly a dire injury.


We've come a long way since the 1800s.
 
2013-09-23 12:17:42 AM

sendtodave: Lachwen: I broke my wrist in grade school (this was in the '90s).  No ambulance, they called my parents, who picked me up and took me to the doctor.

My friend's little sister fell off the monkey bars once at the same grade school, and broke both of her arms (tried to put her hands out to catch herself but was too slow, instead landed with both forearms parallel to the ground; compression fractures in both humeri).  No ambulance, they called her mom, who took her to the ER.  My brother fractured his arm twice during his time as a student at that school, and again, no 911 calls.  I knew of other kids who broke fingers, hands, and arms at various times at that school, and no 911 call was ever placed.

And you know something?  Not a single parent ever thought that was an issue.  For non-life-threatening injuries, the school called your emergency contacts.  911 was only for truly dire injuries.  And to me, that seems perfectly reasonable.  Given that the kid in question was 7, she most likely had a greenstick fracture, which is hardly a dire injury.

We've come a long way since the 1800s.


This was in the 1990s, but hey, whatevs.
 
2013-09-23 12:33:44 AM

sendtodave: We've come a long way since the 1800s.


No kidding. It gets a little tiresome to see all the toughguy "Well in MY day we wouldn't have called the hospital, we would have toughed it out!" Ya well, in your day more people died of various things. One of the things our nice modern society buys us is good medical care and safety equipment, which means less people need to die needlessly. It also means that ya, we are more "pussies" about things and go and seek care rather than just "manning up" and going on with things, hoping it doesn't get serious. Broken bones can be something that are no big deal, or they can cause complications. Know how you find out which one is which? You get a medical professional to check.

To see the synthesis of this in action, check traffic fatalities by year. You'll notice that they've been plummeting for quite some time. This is a combination of better safety systems and designs in cars, better medical technology, and cellphones, which allow first responders to be summoned faster. Net effect? In 1970 there were over 50,000 traffic fatalities, in 2011 there were about 32,000. That is despite the fact that the US population grew by 100 million people in that time and automobile ownership grew similarly. The reason is because cars got more safety features, and because people can, and do, call for help after accidents.
 
2013-09-23 12:36:16 AM

Dwindle: grimlock1972: School messed up, they were too busy trying to cover their asses to get the child the medical care she needed.

Not the schools job.
Your kid, your problem.
They aren't farking babysitters.


Yes it is, from the time your kid arrives at the school or sets foot on the bus to the time they leave the school to walk home or step off the bus the school is responsible for the safety and well being of your kid.
 
2013-09-23 12:42:51 AM

sycraft: sendtodave: We've come a long way since the 1800s.

No kidding. It gets a little tiresome to see all the toughguy "Well in MY day we wouldn't have called the hospital, we would have toughed it out!" Ya well, in your day more people died of various things. One of the things our nice modern society buys us is good medical care and safety equipment, which means less people need to die needlessly. It also means that ya, we are more "pussies" about things and go and seek care rather than just "manning up" and going on with things, hoping it doesn't get serious. Broken bones can be something that are no big deal, or they can cause complications. Know how you find out which one is which? You get a medical professional to check.

To see the synthesis of this in action, check traffic fatalities by year. You'll notice that they've been plummeting for quite some time. This is a combination of better safety systems and designs in cars, better medical technology, and cellphones, which allow first responders to be summoned faster. Net effect? In 1970 there were over 50,000 traffic fatalities, in 2011 there were about 32,000. That is despite the fact that the US population grew by 100 million people in that time and automobile ownership grew similarly. The reason is because cars got more safety features, and because people can, and do, call for help after accidents.


Good god man, she fell off the farking monkey bars.
 
2013-09-23 12:43:44 AM

Dwindle: Are you people insane? You don't call 911 and incur thousands of dollars in bills for a non emergency.
No one at school is authorized to take a child off grounds for any reason.
Where I live it's $2500 just for the ambulance.
They did exactly as most parents would have wanted them to.
Kids break bones thousands of times a year at school, it's just part of life.

/they should have had an ice pack


The 911 call is free, dumbass. The paramedics respond because that's what your tax money pays for. You know, the guys sitting down at the fire house waiting for someone to call 911? You don't pay for that. (Well, not extra)

And if the medics respond and say, This kid MUST go to the hospital, then the school is relieved of liability--now a medical professional (the paramedic) is taking responsibility and saying in MY professional estimation, this child needs care and you WILL allow me to take her. If the parents cannot be located, or if there is no directive signed, then laws allow the paramedics (again) to presumptively act in the child's best interests and treat the child AS IF THEY WERE the parents. If the parents wish later to challenge the ambulance bill on the grounds that they would not have authorized it had they been there, well, that's what courts are for.

Now, if the medics arrived and determined that the child was in no immediate danger and it would not harm her to wait till her mother could be contacted, then fine. She would have been released back to school custody and all would be good (although I'm guessing that, if all the school had was ice cream sammiches for treatment, they would not have done so).

But in either case, it was not the school's place to make that decision without consulting 911 and to decide "There's nothing wrong" based on their complete lack of knowledge and the same post hoc rationalizations I'm seeing here on this thread. Call 911 and let them decide. They're judgement-proof. You aren't.
 
2013-09-23 12:45:47 AM

sycraft: One of the things our nice modern society buys us is good medical care


No, that's money the school has to pay sending your snowflake by ambulance to the ER for every little thing. Then you'd biatch about that.

Or maybe the school would pass the bill for you kid to you. Then you'd biatch about that.

Or maybe the schools would each hire a full time EMT, taxes would go up. And then you'd biatch about that.

Some people just like to biatch.
 
2013-09-23 12:50:41 AM

doglover: sycraft: One of the things our nice modern society buys us is good medical care

No, that's money the school has to pay sending your snowflake by ambulance to the ER for every little thing. Then you'd biatch about that.

Or maybe the school would pass the bill for you kid to you. Then you'd biatch about that.

Or maybe the schools would each hire a full time EMT, taxes would go up. And then you'd biatch about that.

Some people just like to biatch.


You are correct, they act like she fell into a wood chipper.
 
2013-09-23 01:21:51 AM

sheep snorter: FTA: Academy?

So like a private school? Or one of them bastard charter schools.
People need to read them private school enrollment documents. They pretty well state that they can beat your kid and any injuries(by the school or by the kid) is not their responsibility.


A quick Google search shows it's a public school, a charter (no tuition).
 
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