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2013-09-22 09:22:43 PM  
20 votes:
This isn't surprising at all. Here's some background for those of you who are interested:

Al-Shabaab basically first came to anyone's attention in 2006, when it splintered away from a previous group called the Islamic Courts Union, which was one of the many groups fighting in the Somali Civil War, vying for control of the (essentially) lawless areas outside of Mogadishu in the southern and eastern parts of the country. They quickly came to power after overthrowing the ICU, and were at the height of their power in about 2009. At that time, they very consciously adopted a broad international recruitment strategy, positioning themselves to recruits abroad as not only the voice of Islam in Somalia, but the new frontier in the War on Terror. Before Shabaab came around, Al-Qaeda had essentially been ignoring the conflict for almost a decade, but Shabaab actively worked to link up with Al-Qaeda core and tried to have themselves branded as an Al-Qaeda(tm) organization. This coincided perfectly with the rise of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemeni Al-Qaeda offshoot that was just across the Red Sea from Somalia, making it possible to coordinate easily.

Thus, starting around 2007, Al-Shabaab sent recruiters overseas, to Somali communities across the world in London, Minneapolis, San Diego, Toronto, Sydney, and a number of other places. One man came to Minneapolis and set up shop there, recruiting for the conflict abroad among the disaffected refugees who had come to the United States as children and who didn't feel like they fit in. Because Al-Shabaab hadn't yet connected with Al-Qaeda, they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s. About 20 people left for Somalia from Minneapolis, which is a  massive number compared to the normal terror recruitment efforts in America.  There's a great piece on them that was done by the Minneapolis Public Radio, and highlights the first American woman to be a suicide bomber. Her story is very tragic. But Al-Shabaab essentially caught the FBI and the CIA completely with their pants down, because no one saw it coming and it took several years before people started to realize how successful (relative to other recruitment efforts, but still incredibly minor as a percentage of the total American Somali population) they had been at getting Americans to go fight abroad.

Al-Shabaab has been extremely successful in using the internet as well, and are one of the most tech-savvy jihadist groups out there. Omar Hammami, an Egyptian-American from the Atlanta area (I think), used to be their media guy and was a major Twitter user. They get on Twitter using internet cafes and their smart phones, or a number of other ways. They also use Youtube videos and forums to recruit people. Just last month they published a video celebrating the "Minnesota Martyrs", and are continuing to try to recruit in Minneapolis and in other hotbeds of the Somali diaspora. Similar waves of recruitment to what happened in Minneapolis occurred in Australia and in Toronto.

tl;dr version; It's sad, but not surprising, to see Americans involved in this.

/hope that helps people
//was a research analyst  for two yearson an academic project studying Islamic terrorism
2013-09-22 09:34:29 PM  
4 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.


I like the word "treason".  Easy to say, long history, has a nice sound.  And if they weren't born here, charge this with taking the oath of citizenship under false pretenses as well (like the one Boston Marathon bomber)
2013-09-22 09:28:25 PM  
4 votes:
This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.
2013-09-22 11:08:42 PM  
3 votes:

sendtodave: trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !

Because you never find murderous right wing extremists in European-American culture.

The problem here is assimilation, to be sure, but don't get the root cause backwards. They're radicalized because American culture doesn't accept them, not the other way around.


see everyone? They simply HAD to kill because America just wasn't accepting of their 12th century barbarism.
Maybe they didn't make it to the Midwest?
2013-09-22 10:39:21 PM  
3 votes:
Alex Jones just jizzed all over himself.
2013-09-22 10:28:15 PM  
3 votes:
Are they "Americans" or are they some skinnys we foolishly gave citizenship to?
2013-09-22 09:48:16 PM  
3 votes:

Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!


Sure, and that's what the vast majority of Somalis in America did. But like any diaspora, you will find a percentage of the children who feel very disconnected to their new country, who are still deeply scarred by the loss of their homeland, and who feel as if they have had something  taken from them by the act of fleeing. And you can sell these people a view of reclaiming their country, of fighting with the righteous, and of regaining that sense of belonging in their homeland.

And when they arrive back in Somalia, they are treated like heroes for a little while, and write home (on Twitter) and tell everyone how great it is. Then they're thrust into the fighting and they're given an AK-47 and shoot at the Kenyan or Ethiopian peacekeeping forces and told they're striking a blow for their homeland. And then when they want to leave, some of them are allowed to go back and tell everyone how heroic it all is.

But if they disagree? Well.... Omar Hammami (Abu Mansur al-Amriki), who used to be big with the organization, now has a death sentence on his head from them, because he broke with them on a number of policy arguments.
2013-09-22 09:43:37 PM  
3 votes:
Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!
2013-09-23 12:21:10 AM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!


The Somali's here in Columbus appear to be actively attempting to destroy any semblance of order or community that the local black community has been fighting for for decades. It's really weird, and there is a tremendous amount of violence and just aggressive behavior between the Somali's and everyone else it seems.

I understand isolationist attitudes when you come from a farked up situation, but they are really aggro towards everyone here... to the point of throwing shiat (literally human feces) at your car at traffic lights to dissuade people from into "their area"

(I realize that sounds completely like some kind of super-racist propaganda BS thing to say, but I've actually seen them throw crap filled cloth diapers at "outsiders" (myself included) when I was sitting in a nearby strip mall parking lot waiting for an accident to get cleaned up so we could drive through the intersection.)
2013-09-22 11:38:10 PM  
2 votes:
Rest assured that none of the five will be named Robert Smith.
2013-09-22 11:38:05 PM  
2 votes:

Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.


You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.
2013-09-22 11:18:28 PM  
2 votes:

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Are they "Americans" or are they some skinnys we foolishly gave citizenship to?


We have a winrar.  Third world shiathead temporarily located in the US under a misguided settlement program != American.
2013-09-22 10:55:48 PM  
2 votes:
They're muslims from america, not Americans.  Yes, I said it.  you know I'm right.  if they turn out white, then we've got a story.. till then, meh.
2013-09-22 10:47:49 PM  
2 votes:

Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch

So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?

pretty sure he was referring to Afghanistan.

Yes but I was referring to Iraq.


not sure why but I'll play along. 0. 0 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq. Incidentally, 0 is also the number of hijackers that were from Afghanistan as well.
2013-09-22 10:36:09 PM  
2 votes:

skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch


So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?
2013-09-22 10:24:49 PM  
2 votes:

Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!


1) You've never been to the Crack Stacks. 2) They (the kids) don't realize how bad it was there. They just see a bunch of people who have it way better than they do, who pick on their culture and religion, and expect to be thanked for letting them live here.
2013-09-22 10:19:15 PM  
2 votes:
Yay multiculturalism !
2013-09-22 10:14:50 PM  
2 votes:

BravadoGT: Religion of Peace!


Can't believe it took someone this long to pull this retard card out
2013-09-22 09:29:36 PM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.


I should clarify, only those who have gone overseas.  If they're involved in terrorist actions on US soil, that should still be a matter for the police/FBI/DHS/insert-government-agency-here.
2013-09-22 09:00:13 PM  
2 votes:
Five American gunmen involved?

Did an FBI "sting operation" get out of control, or what?
2013-09-22 08:59:27 PM  
2 votes:
That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?
2013-09-23 05:01:27 PM  
1 votes:

wickedragon: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.
Plenty of christian terrorists. Anders Bering Breivik, the most prolific single terrorist gunman in history is rabidly christian.
Plenty of buddhist terrorists as well.
And Hindi
And Jewish.

Mostly buddhist though. Those guys are really fond of murdering kids.

/not joking, although I bet some of you think so. I'm just really, really good at reading statistics (www.un.org) and buddhists are really, really violent.


But I've been assured by dozens of people that Buddhism isn't even a religion, and is all about peace! Are you telling me people would just get "involved" in a religion without knowing anything about it?
2013-09-23 08:51:32 AM  
1 votes:

Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.


Were you molested? All you post about is how bad Christianity is. In a thread not even about it.
2013-09-23 08:18:32 AM  
1 votes:

Yes this is dog: It's nice to see the right just being open about being OK with ethnic cleansing now.


Sigh.  So only "darkies" can be Islamic, right Cletus?

1) Islam isn't a race.  (Remember those two white kids that just bombed Boston?)
2)  Rooting out violent nutjobs at home has nothing to do with race.
3)  I'm an Obama hugging lefty.

Stop being an ignorant racist terrorism apologist.
2013-09-23 07:29:00 AM  
1 votes:
Well since guns are illegal in Kenya it totally makes sense that the gunmen are American
2013-09-23 06:10:51 AM  
1 votes:
It's just a video game.
2013-09-23 06:00:32 AM  
1 votes:

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


Dick Cheney still lives here, last I checked...
2013-09-23 05:13:08 AM  
1 votes:

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


Not a bad idea. Maybe we could even try to build bridges and roads and provide health care to win over the hearts and minds of the people.
2013-09-23 01:25:12 AM  
1 votes:

OneDayWhat: Having personally witnessed Hellfire missile impacts, I can assure you, it is no "light footprint".


How do they compare with cruise missiles? Full on ground invasion? As military strategy goes, they're about as light as it gets. And that's the term used in defense policy circles. Light footprint means drone strikes and special ops, as contrasted with something like the Iraq invasion. We're taking out terrorist leaders without putting many US assets at risk, and without killing many innocents. If we take the use of military force as a given, and in this situation there ain't much alternative in the short term, that's how to do it. And don't act surprised. Obama ran on the light footprint strategy and ramping up drone strikes in 2008. Most people ignored that because it didn't quite jive with their vision of him, but he's been exactly as billed on that one.

OneDayWhat:

It is a complicated issue. Targeted strikes are NOT equivalent to terror attacks that purposefully harm civilians. But civilians still die. Children and women who have no connection other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So you are right there, cptjeff, but playing whack-a-mole with drone strikes is not a long term strategy. This is a multi-dimensional problem the US faces on the world stage, and requires a multi dimensional strategy to address. Payloads don't stop wars. The threat of military force coupled with an increased focus on statecraft stands a chance.


I agree with all of that. We need a real long term strategy to prevent threats. We need to stop terrorism at its source, and that means actively building peace. We need to train civil society leaders, build up the rule of law, women's rights, and basically make communities stable and economically secure. That's a very long term process, and fortunately we're doing it. Look up the US Institute of Peace sometime, they're doing great work. We need to be smarter with development, and take much more integrated approaches to really address real problems. We need to see problems early, and head them off before they turn serious. Under Obama, State is making a real effort to do that with the Bureau of Conflict and Stabilization Operations.

There's real and serious long term work going on to create that multidimensional strategy to prevent wars. But it's the old ounce of prevention and pound of cure axiom- once something snowballs (at the risk of mixing analogies), you've got to roll with the punches. You've got to deal with the world you have, not the world you'd like to have.

What we cannot be is isolationist. We need real diplomatic engagement, even with people we hate. Yes, that means Iran. Yes, that means Hezbollah. Yes, Hamas. Yes, North Korea. Yes, every tinpot dictator in Africa. Yes, every kook in the Balkans. We need to engage at the ground level with civil society and local leaders. We need to be helping to create independent, fair and effective justice systems. We must engage. The world is too small for us not to. When we talk, we learn. We gain contacts, and knowing people on the ground really comes in handy when all of a sudden something happens and official news gets sketchy. Diplomatic contacts. Old fashioned spies. Intelligence agencies in the business of intelligence rather than acting as secret and unaccountable branches of our military.

But military force remains important as a tool. The world needs a police force. There needs to be an aircraft carrier sitting in the South China Sea to make sure China doesn't start beating up on Vietnamese shipping. There needs to be a carrier sitting in the Mediterranean or Red Sea to make sure a dictator thinks twice before launching a few jets and trying to take some nearby land. Right now, that's us. I'd really like to see our role decrease, and that of Europe increase. That's actually in process, but right now, it's us. And that makes us a target. So let's offer carrots, mitigate that somewhat, and in doing so, create real and sustainable solutions to human rights and economic issues around the world. That's a big, big ask. It would require a tremendous coordinated effort and vision. Probably not all that much more funding though, just a re-dedication of resources.

But that is all long term, and even as we execute a real long term plan based around peacebuilding and prevention, we still have to deal with short term military operations. And right now, in my opinion, the President's light footprint strategy is by far the best out of a lot of bad options.
2013-09-23 01:24:04 AM  
1 votes:

sendtodave: trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !

Because you never find murderous right wing extremists in European-American culture.

The problem here is assimilation, to be sure, but don't get the root cause backwards. They're radicalized because American culture doesn't accept them, not the other way around.


So they attacked Kenya because some Americans kids picked on them (like every other immigrant ever).  Sounds legit.
2013-09-23 01:18:59 AM  
1 votes:
Subby gets his info from people who fact check on Twitter.
2013-09-23 01:08:06 AM  
1 votes:
Huck and Molly Ziegler:
In other news, Kenya has a four-story shopping mall.

/i need to get out more



This is like the fifth time someone mentioned this.  Are Americans really that insular that they don't realize that probably most countries in the world have malls atleast in their largest cities?

Seriously, what is the big deal?  I assume Kenya also has paved highways and tall buildings as well, jeezus.
2013-09-23 12:40:43 AM  
1 votes:

cptjeff: obamadidcoke: cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians

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Yeah, we would never do that.

Targeted killings are are used to kill military targets and are done to minimize civilian casualties- and that indeed works. Even if you doubt the official figure, we would be killing far, far more with any other strategy.

It's not a matter of targeted strikes or no strikes- it's a matter of a precision attack after a long period of monitoring to minimize civilian deaths versus a cruise missile strike or an actual boots on the ground military raid. It's a light footprint strategy that liberals should be happy about.

To compare that to a terrorist attack with the express goal of killing as many civilians as possible is incredibly disgusting and ignorant.



Having personally witnessed Hellfire missile impacts, I can assure you, it is no "light footprint".
Is it considered a viable form of foreign policy when rockets from Palestine impact Israel? Then why is it ok for the US to breach the sovereign airspace of foreign countries? How do we maintain the moral high ground to defend our actions, while condemning others who do pretty much the same thing?

I'm all for killing people who mean us harm. Get them before they get us.  Let's bomb some more funerals. That'll learn 'em.

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It is a complicated issue. Targeted strikes are NOT equivalent to terror attacks that purposefully harm civilians. But civilians still die. Children and women who have no connection other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So you are right there, cptjeff, but playing whack-a-mole with drone strikes is not a long term strategy. This is a multi-dimensional problem the US faces on the world stage, and requires a multi dimensional strategy to address. Payloads don't stop wars. The threat of military force coupled with an increased focus on statecraft stands a chance.
2013-09-23 12:00:31 AM  
1 votes:

Paris1127: Minneapolis Star-Tribune isn't so sure.


FTA:

CNN reported Sunday that a Twitter site listing alleged attackers in the siege at a mall in Nairobi, Kenya, included the names of two Minnesotans, but the accuracy of the information was called into question.
Jason Straziuso, an Associated Press correspondent in East Africa, tweeted that the names were fake and had come from a bogus Twitter account.
CNN had said the list identified two of the alleged hostage-takers as Ahmed Mohamed Isse, 22, of  St. Paul, and Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid, 24, of Minneapolis. The names were among nine listed on a Twitter account that later was suspended, CNN reported.


That alone should've been a red flag to us.

Seems like Jeff Zucker took his worst ideas from NBC and carried them over to CNN. Their journalism quality has gone even further down the toilet than it was before he was put in charge.
2013-09-22 11:56:45 PM  
1 votes:

doglover: Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.

The rappers who fuse innocent gold and diamonds into horrific "bling"


The crap they call "music" terrorizes my ears.
2013-09-22 11:17:51 PM  
1 votes:
FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.
2013-09-22 11:07:52 PM  
1 votes:
Gotta get our own house in order, but I'm still more at risk from a random white dude with a gun and a grudge
2013-09-22 11:00:02 PM  
1 votes:

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


You don't invade the country where the terrorists are from.  You invade the country next to it.  Watch out Canada!
2013-09-22 10:47:50 PM  
1 votes:
i.dailymail.co.uk

Obama's real birth certificate is in the brief case. Alex Jones told me so.
2013-09-22 10:44:55 PM  
1 votes:

mrlewish: skinink: How did that lady get in the vent to hide?

It's amazing what one can do when you know someone else is intent on putting a bullet in you.


This is true. I managed to brake, gas, brake, gas and shift a Toyota Celica out of a T style intersection while being shot at by a guy with a big ass revolver. Sucked to be him when he decided to hop back in his car and chase me all the way to buck road and arcata lane when I got to run back out of the house with an M1 and my buddy with a .44

No one died. But he and his wife got deported...
2013-09-22 10:39:12 PM  
1 votes:

Rincewind53: This isn't surprising at all. Here's some background for those of you who are interested:

Al-Shabaab basically first came to anyone's attention in 2006, when it splintered away from a previous group called the Islamic Courts Union, which was one of the many groups fighting in the Somali Civil War, vying for control of the (essentially) lawless areas outside of Mogadishu in the southern and eastern parts of the country. They quickly came to power after overthrowing the ICU, and were at the height of their power in about 2009. At that time, they very consciously adopted a broad international recruitment strategy, positioning themselves to recruits abroad as not only the voice of Islam in Somalia, but the new frontier in the War on Terror. Before Shabaab came around, Al-Qaeda had essentially been ignoring the conflict for almost a decade, but Shabaab actively worked to link up with Al-Qaeda core and tried to have themselves branded as an Al-Qaeda(tm) organization. This coincided perfectly with the rise of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemeni Al-Qaeda offshoot that was just across the Red Sea from Somalia, making it possible to coordinate easily.

Thus, starting around 2007, Al-Shabaab sent recruiters overseas, to Somali communities across the world in London, Minneapolis, San Diego, Toronto, Sydney, and a number of other places. One man came to Minneapolis and set up shop there, recruiting for the conflict abroad among the disaffected refugees who had come to the United States as children and who didn't feel like they fit in. Because Al-Shabaab hadn't yet connected with Al-Qaeda, they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s. About 20 people left for Somalia from Minneapolis, which is a  massive number compared to the normal terror recruitment efforts in America.  There's a great piece on them that was done by the Minneapol ...


So this is real, this religious war?
Boy are they gonna be mad when they find me.
/Fiercely agnostic. Would grab nearest available weapon and use it - gun to my head or not. Innocent people are innocent people. You want to kill some asshole politicians, then good luck. But to be killing kids and hurting folks who don't even know what's going on? Well that is a different game altogether.

BUT, READ THE OLD TESTAMENT. These things are what God allegedly commanded.

Friggin sad all around. Would love to be able to cause great harm to any one of the A**holes who needlessly killed another person.
2013-09-22 10:37:20 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe they wanted to visit Obama's homeland?
2013-09-22 10:33:50 PM  
1 votes:

GungFu: I knew it!

Where's my prize?

I did the math:

Pearl Harbor - Us Govt.
Oklahoma Bombing - McVeigh (American)
911 - US govt
Chernobyl Nuclear disaster - American industrial espionage
Fukushima Nuclear disaser - Payback for Pearl Harbour American industrial espionage
That Manning guy - American
The Snowden guy - American
Somalia - George Clooney - American
Twerking - Miley Cyrus - American

Obviously, Americans have their sausage fingers deep in the world's political and economic pie.
Nigeria - American Shopping Mall copyright infringement.



Look, I admit the Giants are looking terrible this year, but you can't blame it all on Eli.
2013-09-22 10:27:43 PM  
1 votes:
I knew it!

Where's my prize?

I did the math:

Pearl Harbor - Us Govt.
Oklahoma Bombing - McVeigh (American)
911 - US govt
Chernobyl Nuclear disaster - American industrial espionage
Fukushima Nuclear disaser - Payback for Pearl Harbour American industrial espionage
That Manning guy - American
The Snowden guy - American
Somalia - George Clooney - American
Twerking - Miley Cyrus - American

Obviously, Americans have their sausage fingers deep in the world's political and economic pie.
Nigeria - American Shopping Mall copyright infringement.
2013-09-22 10:22:40 PM  
1 votes:
If only the liberal Kenyan government didn't prevent their populace from carrying military weapons, these people would have been able to fight back and prevent this happening.
2013-09-22 10:16:28 PM  
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cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles
2013-09-22 10:15:14 PM  
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Rightwing religious extremists: The same as the tea-party, but they don't shiat their pants when dear leader tells them to overthrow a mall or government.
2013-09-22 09:40:53 PM  
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I got a sawbuck that Alex Jones calls it a false flag in under 36 hours of the announcement.

I know, no real bet.
2013-09-22 09:22:39 PM  
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OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
2013-09-22 09:16:56 PM  
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That's some hard core terrorism.

It's a pity that these bastards will all likely die relatively quick and painless deaths.
2013-09-22 09:02:07 PM  
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Somalian terrorist group al Shabaab, which has links to al Qaeda, claimed responsibility for the attack which they live-blogged on Twitter


www.yiyinglu.com
 
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