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2013-09-22 08:59:27 PM
That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?
 
2013-09-22 09:00:13 PM
Five American gunmen involved?

Did an FBI "sting operation" get out of control, or what?
 
2013-09-22 09:02:07 PM
Somalian terrorist group al Shabaab, which has links to al Qaeda, claimed responsibility for the attack which they live-blogged on Twitter


www.yiyinglu.com
 
2013-09-22 09:05:11 PM
Stupid Fast and Furious 2: Furiouser
 
2013-09-22 09:12:35 PM
I think Steve King was claiming up to 50

/he's sure not gonna win the pool that way
 
2013-09-22 09:16:56 PM
That's some hard core terrorism.

It's a pity that these bastards will all likely die relatively quick and painless deaths.
 
2013-09-22 09:20:55 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians
 
2013-09-22 09:22:39 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
 
2013-09-22 09:22:43 PM
This isn't surprising at all. Here's some background for those of you who are interested:

Al-Shabaab basically first came to anyone's attention in 2006, when it splintered away from a previous group called the Islamic Courts Union, which was one of the many groups fighting in the Somali Civil War, vying for control of the (essentially) lawless areas outside of Mogadishu in the southern and eastern parts of the country. They quickly came to power after overthrowing the ICU, and were at the height of their power in about 2009. At that time, they very consciously adopted a broad international recruitment strategy, positioning themselves to recruits abroad as not only the voice of Islam in Somalia, but the new frontier in the War on Terror. Before Shabaab came around, Al-Qaeda had essentially been ignoring the conflict for almost a decade, but Shabaab actively worked to link up with Al-Qaeda core and tried to have themselves branded as an Al-Qaeda(tm) organization. This coincided perfectly with the rise of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemeni Al-Qaeda offshoot that was just across the Red Sea from Somalia, making it possible to coordinate easily.

Thus, starting around 2007, Al-Shabaab sent recruiters overseas, to Somali communities across the world in London, Minneapolis, San Diego, Toronto, Sydney, and a number of other places. One man came to Minneapolis and set up shop there, recruiting for the conflict abroad among the disaffected refugees who had come to the United States as children and who didn't feel like they fit in. Because Al-Shabaab hadn't yet connected with Al-Qaeda, they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s. About 20 people left for Somalia from Minneapolis, which is a  massive number compared to the normal terror recruitment efforts in America.  There's a great piece on them that was done by the Minneapolis Public Radio, and highlights the first American woman to be a suicide bomber. Her story is very tragic. But Al-Shabaab essentially caught the FBI and the CIA completely with their pants down, because no one saw it coming and it took several years before people started to realize how successful (relative to other recruitment efforts, but still incredibly minor as a percentage of the total American Somali population) they had been at getting Americans to go fight abroad.

Al-Shabaab has been extremely successful in using the internet as well, and are one of the most tech-savvy jihadist groups out there. Omar Hammami, an Egyptian-American from the Atlanta area (I think), used to be their media guy and was a major Twitter user. They get on Twitter using internet cafes and their smart phones, or a number of other ways. They also use Youtube videos and forums to recruit people. Just last month they published a video celebrating the "Minnesota Martyrs", and are continuing to try to recruit in Minneapolis and in other hotbeds of the Somali diaspora. Similar waves of recruitment to what happened in Minneapolis occurred in Australia and in Toronto.

tl;dr version; It's sad, but not surprising, to see Americans involved in this.

/hope that helps people
//was a research analyst  for two yearson an academic project studying Islamic terrorism
 
2013-09-22 09:28:25 PM
This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.
 
2013-09-22 09:29:36 PM

TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.


I should clarify, only those who have gone overseas.  If they're involved in terrorist actions on US soil, that should still be a matter for the police/FBI/DHS/insert-government-agency-here.
 
2013-09-22 09:34:29 PM

TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.


I like the word "treason".  Easy to say, long history, has a nice sound.  And if they weren't born here, charge this with taking the oath of citizenship under false pretenses as well (like the one Boston Marathon bomber)
 
2013-09-22 09:35:16 PM

TuteTibiImperes: TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.

I should clarify, only those who have gone overseas.  If they're involved in terrorist actions on US soil, that should still be a matter for the police/FBI/DHS/insert-government-agency-here.


Eh... Rand is cool with drone striking some guy they think might be robbing a convenience store
 
2013-09-22 09:37:21 PM

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians



Who is?
 
2013-09-22 09:40:53 PM
I got a sawbuck that Alex Jones calls it a false flag in under 36 hours of the announcement.

I know, no real bet.
 
2013-09-22 09:43:37 PM
Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!
 
2013-09-22 09:48:16 PM

Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!


Sure, and that's what the vast majority of Somalis in America did. But like any diaspora, you will find a percentage of the children who feel very disconnected to their new country, who are still deeply scarred by the loss of their homeland, and who feel as if they have had something  taken from them by the act of fleeing. And you can sell these people a view of reclaiming their country, of fighting with the righteous, and of regaining that sense of belonging in their homeland.

And when they arrive back in Somalia, they are treated like heroes for a little while, and write home (on Twitter) and tell everyone how great it is. Then they're thrust into the fighting and they're given an AK-47 and shoot at the Kenyan or Ethiopian peacekeeping forces and told they're striking a blow for their homeland. And then when they want to leave, some of them are allowed to go back and tell everyone how heroic it all is.

But if they disagree? Well.... Omar Hammami (Abu Mansur al-Amriki), who used to be big with the organization, now has a death sentence on his head from them, because he broke with them on a number of policy arguments.
 
2013-09-22 10:00:05 PM
Religion of Peace!

cdn.breitbart.com
 
2013-09-22 10:02:47 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


No. This means Kenya will invade some country that let's Americans live there and manage things.
 
2013-09-22 10:02:53 PM
So we're exporting our crazy gun nuts to other countries now?
 
2013-09-22 10:11:16 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


Actually, in my opinion, it's high time the United States got out of America!
 
2013-09-22 10:14:50 PM

BravadoGT: Religion of Peace!


Can't believe it took someone this long to pull this retard card out
 
2013-09-22 10:15:14 PM
Rightwing religious extremists: The same as the tea-party, but they don't shiat their pants when dear leader tells them to overthrow a mall or government.
 
2013-09-22 10:16:28 PM

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles
 
2013-09-22 10:16:49 PM

BravadoGT: Religion of Peace!

[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]


Why do you keep quoting Mr. Bush, the Lesser?
 
2013-09-22 10:16:59 PM
I find it interesting that al Shabaab live-blogged the raid on Twitter.

Twitter truly is evil, then.

shut. Down. EVERYTHING
 
2013-09-22 10:17:48 PM
Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
 
2013-09-22 10:18:14 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


Well.....

Canadian diplomat Annemarie Desloges, 29 ... among the dead
 So Canada may be invading us soon.
 
2013-09-22 10:19:15 PM
Yay multiculturalism !
 
2013-09-22 10:20:45 PM
How did that lady get in the vent to hide?
 
2013-09-22 10:20:46 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.
 
2013-09-22 10:22:40 PM
If only the liberal Kenyan government didn't prevent their populace from carrying military weapons, these people would have been able to fight back and prevent this happening.
 
2013-09-22 10:24:14 PM

Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.


well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch
 
2013-09-22 10:24:49 PM

Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!


1) You've never been to the Crack Stacks. 2) They (the kids) don't realize how bad it was there. They just see a bunch of people who have it way better than they do, who pick on their culture and religion, and expect to be thanked for letting them live here.
 
2013-09-22 10:25:18 PM
I had three Belgians with knives among a group of dwarfs drinking in a Circle K parking lot.
I never win this game.
 
2013-09-22 10:27:43 PM
I knew it!

Where's my prize?

I did the math:

Pearl Harbor - Us Govt.
Oklahoma Bombing - McVeigh (American)
911 - US govt
Chernobyl Nuclear disaster - American industrial espionage
Fukushima Nuclear disaser - Payback for Pearl Harbour American industrial espionage
That Manning guy - American
The Snowden guy - American
Somalia - George Clooney - American
Twerking - Miley Cyrus - American

Obviously, Americans have their sausage fingers deep in the world's political and economic pie.
Nigeria - American Shopping Mall copyright infringement.
 
2013-09-22 10:28:15 PM
Are they "Americans" or are they some skinnys we foolishly gave citizenship to?
 
2013-09-22 10:28:34 PM
This fact seeking mission to find Obama's birth certificate got out of hand.
 
2013-09-22 10:30:51 PM
Is there anyone here that isn't trolling?
 
2013-09-22 10:32:04 PM

I_C_Weener: Stupid Fast and Furious 2: Furiouser


Ah, yes.   So AG Eric Holder was either directly or indirectly involved in some capacity.  Why should we be surprised?
 
2013-09-22 10:33:50 PM

GungFu: I knew it!

Where's my prize?

I did the math:

Pearl Harbor - Us Govt.
Oklahoma Bombing - McVeigh (American)
911 - US govt
Chernobyl Nuclear disaster - American industrial espionage
Fukushima Nuclear disaser - Payback for Pearl Harbour American industrial espionage
That Manning guy - American
The Snowden guy - American
Somalia - George Clooney - American
Twerking - Miley Cyrus - American

Obviously, Americans have their sausage fingers deep in the world's political and economic pie.
Nigeria - American Shopping Mall copyright infringement.



Look, I admit the Giants are looking terrible this year, but you can't blame it all on Eli.
 
2013-09-22 10:36:09 PM

skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch


So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?
 
2013-09-22 10:37:20 PM
Maybe they wanted to visit Obama's homeland?
 
2013-09-22 10:38:38 PM

skinink: How did that lady get in the vent to hide?


It's amazing what one can do when you know someone else is intent on putting a bullet in you.
 
2013-09-22 10:39:12 PM

Rincewind53: This isn't surprising at all. Here's some background for those of you who are interested:

Al-Shabaab basically first came to anyone's attention in 2006, when it splintered away from a previous group called the Islamic Courts Union, which was one of the many groups fighting in the Somali Civil War, vying for control of the (essentially) lawless areas outside of Mogadishu in the southern and eastern parts of the country. They quickly came to power after overthrowing the ICU, and were at the height of their power in about 2009. At that time, they very consciously adopted a broad international recruitment strategy, positioning themselves to recruits abroad as not only the voice of Islam in Somalia, but the new frontier in the War on Terror. Before Shabaab came around, Al-Qaeda had essentially been ignoring the conflict for almost a decade, but Shabaab actively worked to link up with Al-Qaeda core and tried to have themselves branded as an Al-Qaeda(tm) organization. This coincided perfectly with the rise of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemeni Al-Qaeda offshoot that was just across the Red Sea from Somalia, making it possible to coordinate easily.

Thus, starting around 2007, Al-Shabaab sent recruiters overseas, to Somali communities across the world in London, Minneapolis, San Diego, Toronto, Sydney, and a number of other places. One man came to Minneapolis and set up shop there, recruiting for the conflict abroad among the disaffected refugees who had come to the United States as children and who didn't feel like they fit in. Because Al-Shabaab hadn't yet connected with Al-Qaeda, they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s. About 20 people left for Somalia from Minneapolis, which is a  massive number compared to the normal terror recruitment efforts in America.  There's a great piece on them that was done by the Minneapol ...


So this is real, this religious war?
Boy are they gonna be mad when they find me.
/Fiercely agnostic. Would grab nearest available weapon and use it - gun to my head or not. Innocent people are innocent people. You want to kill some asshole politicians, then good luck. But to be killing kids and hurting folks who don't even know what's going on? Well that is a different game altogether.

BUT, READ THE OLD TESTAMENT. These things are what God allegedly commanded.

Friggin sad all around. Would love to be able to cause great harm to any one of the A**holes who needlessly killed another person.
 
2013-09-22 10:39:14 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


It depends. Do we got any oil?
 
2013-09-22 10:39:21 PM
Alex Jones just jizzed all over himself.
 
2013-09-22 10:39:50 PM

Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch

So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?


pretty sure he was referring to Afghanistan.
 
2013-09-22 10:42:53 PM

skullkrusher: Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch

So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?

pretty sure he was referring to Afghanistan.


Yes but I was referring to Iraq.
 
2013-09-22 10:44:55 PM

mrlewish: skinink: How did that lady get in the vent to hide?

It's amazing what one can do when you know someone else is intent on putting a bullet in you.


This is true. I managed to brake, gas, brake, gas and shift a Toyota Celica out of a T style intersection while being shot at by a guy with a big ass revolver. Sucked to be him when he decided to hop back in his car and chase me all the way to buck road and arcata lane when I got to run back out of the house with an M1 and my buddy with a .44

No one died. But he and his wife got deported...
 
2013-09-22 10:46:51 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-22 10:47:23 PM

Rincewind53: //was a research analyst  for two yearson an academic project studying Islamic terrorism


So I bet you're really getting a kick out of some of these replies...

/sorry
 
2013-09-22 10:47:33 PM
Religion of blowing people to pieces, more like, amirite?
 
2013-09-22 10:47:49 PM

Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch

So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?

pretty sure he was referring to Afghanistan.

Yes but I was referring to Iraq.


not sure why but I'll play along. 0. 0 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq. Incidentally, 0 is also the number of hijackers that were from Afghanistan as well.
 
2013-09-22 10:47:50 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Obama's real birth certificate is in the brief case. Alex Jones told me so.
 
2013-09-22 10:47:53 PM

Peter von Nostrand: TuteTibiImperes: TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.

I should clarify, only those who have gone overseas.  If they're involved in terrorist actions on US soil, that should still be a matter for the police/FBI/DHS/insert-government-agency-here.

Eh... Rand is cool with drone striking some guy they think might be robbing a convenience store


Oh Goddamnit so much.  I'm having a hard enough time trying to successfully rob a convenience store in GTA V.  Now you're telling me I have to worry about drone strikes just when I think I've gotten away with it?
 
2013-09-22 10:48:30 PM

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


commonsenseconspiracy.com
Yeah, we would never do that.
 
2013-09-22 10:55:48 PM
They're muslims from america, not Americans.  Yes, I said it.  you know I'm right.  if they turn out white, then we've got a story.. till then, meh.
 
2013-09-22 10:58:05 PM
Going overseas and having consensual sex with a 17 year old = 10 years in prison.

But going overseas as a mercenary and shooting a 17 year old in the head = PAYDAY?

Got it.
 
2013-09-22 10:58:53 PM
Thanks, Obama?
 
2013-09-22 11:00:02 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


You don't invade the country where the terrorists are from.  You invade the country next to it.  Watch out Canada!
 
2013-09-22 11:04:32 PM

trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !


Because you never find murderous right wing extremists in European-American culture.

The problem here is assimilation, to be sure, but don't get the root cause backwards. They're radicalized because American culture doesn't accept them, not the other way around.
 
2013-09-22 11:07:52 PM
Gotta get our own house in order, but I'm still more at risk from a random white dude with a gun and a grudge
 
2013-09-22 11:08:42 PM

sendtodave: trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !

Because you never find murderous right wing extremists in European-American culture.

The problem here is assimilation, to be sure, but don't get the root cause backwards. They're radicalized because American culture doesn't accept them, not the other way around.


see everyone? They simply HAD to kill because America just wasn't accepting of their 12th century barbarism.
Maybe they didn't make it to the Midwest?
 
2013-09-22 11:13:18 PM

Rincewind53: But if they disagree? Well.... Omar Hammami (Abu Mansur al-Amriki), who used to be big with the organization, now has a death sentence on his head from them, because he broke with them on a number of policy arguments.


They supposedly killed him a few weeks ago.
 
2013-09-22 11:14:07 PM

edmo: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

No. This means Kenya will invade some country that let's Americans live there and manage things.


Attack the Cayman Islands. One bomb and you can take out the official headquarters of tens of thousands of US corporations.
 
2013-09-22 11:17:51 PM
FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.
 
2013-09-22 11:18:28 PM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Are they "Americans" or are they some skinnys we foolishly gave citizenship to?


We have a winrar.  Third world shiathead temporarily located in the US under a misguided settlement program != American.
 
2013-09-22 11:20:25 PM

The Southern Dandy: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

You don't invade the country where the terrorists are from.  You invade the country next to it.  Watch out Canada!


My money is on Mexico. We need to secure our supply of flour tortillas for Chipotle burritos. They are after all part of the S&P 500 and crucial metric of our economy.
 
2013-09-22 11:20:36 PM

obamadidcoke: cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians

[commonsenseconspiracy.com image 463x312]
Yeah, we would never do that.


Targeted killings are are used to kill military targets and are done to minimize civilian casualties- and that indeed works. Even if you doubt the official figure, we would be killing far, far more with any other strategy.

It's not a matter of targeted strikes or no strikes- it's a matter of a precision attack after a long period of monitoring to minimize civilian deaths versus a cruise missile strike or an actual boots on the ground military raid. It's a light footprint strategy that liberals should be happy about.

To compare that to a terrorist attack with the express goal of killing as many civilians as possible is incredibly disgusting and ignorant.
 
2013-09-22 11:23:02 PM
Those five Americans are likely heroes and need to bring those fine folks home where they can get the full celebrity treatment.  Book deals, movie, interviews, guest appearances on sitcoms and even their own reality show is all required to show how those five handled themselves in such a stressful trip overseas.  I hope the locals don't rough up our fine responsible civilians.
 
2013-09-22 11:24:33 PM

machoprogrammer: Rincewind53: But if they disagree? Well.... Omar Hammami (Abu Mansur al-Amriki), who used to be big with the organization, now has a death sentence on his head from them, because he broke with them on a number of policy arguments.

They supposedly killed him a few weeks ago.


Ouch. I missed that.

I'm not going to say he didn't have it coming to him, but it's still a sad story. He was a really interesting guy.
 
2013-09-22 11:25:07 PM
Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica
 
2013-09-22 11:25:38 PM

skullkrusher: sendtodave: trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !

Because you never find murderous right wing extremists in European-American culture.

The problem here is assimilation, to be sure, but don't get the root cause backwards. They're radicalized because American culture doesn't accept them, not the other way around.

see everyone? They simply HAD to kill because America just wasn't accepting of their 12th century barbarism.
Maybe they didn't make it to the Midwest?


Outcasts and pariahs make for good radicals.
 
2013-09-22 11:28:21 PM
They weren't Americans, they were Muslims who lived in America.
 
2013-09-22 11:29:10 PM

zerkalo: Gotta get our own house in order, but I'm still more at risk from a random white dude cop with a gun and a grudge badge.


FTFY
 
2013-09-22 11:33:55 PM
I subscribe to alerts from a local TV station in Kansas City.

When I saw an alert that said "KC Man among Kenya mall attackers", I figured that it meant that one of the victims was from Kansas City and that it was just a typo.

Then I went to the app and realize that it really meant that one of the terrorists lived in Kansas City for a period of time.
 
2013-09-22 11:34:53 PM
Rincewind53:
Al-Shabaab has been extremely successful in using the internet as well, and are one of the most tech-savvy jihadist groups out there. Omar Hammami, an Egyptian-American from the Atlanta area (I think), used to be their media guy and was a major Twitter user. They get on Twitter using internet cafes and their smart phones, or a number of other ways. They also use Youtube videos and forums to recruit people. Just last month they published a video celebrating the http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/08/08/fbi-al-shabaab-released-viole nt-video-to-recruit-minn-men-for-jihad/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>"Minnesota Martyrs", and are continuing to try to recruit in Minneapolis and in other hotbeds of the Somali diaspora. Similar waves of recruitment to what happened in Minneapolis occurred in Australia and in Toronto.

Al-Amriki
Omar was from Daphne, AL. Born from an American mother and a Syrian father. And most likely dead.
 
2013-09-22 11:36:40 PM
I've never seen this show, but I hear a lot of people talking about it.
I just don't think I'd like a movie about surfing.
 
2013-09-22 11:38:05 PM

Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.


You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.
 
2013-09-22 11:38:10 PM
Rest assured that none of the five will be named Robert Smith.
 
2013-09-22 11:38:11 PM

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


This is the kind of trolling that dreams are made of.
 
2013-09-22 11:40:34 PM

Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.


The rappers who fuse innocent gold and diamonds into horrific "bling"
 
2013-09-22 11:41:46 PM

trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !


I know. All of us white, black and yellow people should just go home and leave America to the Natives.
 
2013-09-22 11:42:13 PM

JesusJuice: They weren't Americans, they were Muslims who lived in America.


Does this apply to all religions or just this particular one when defining who is American in your eyes?

Just wondering if that whole "freedom of religion" idea was becoming passé or we started adding astricks to certian religions we aren't fond of?
 
2013-09-22 11:43:07 PM

Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.



Haven't seen it, doesn't exist!
 
2013-09-22 11:45:54 PM
 
2013-09-22 11:51:00 PM
Mecca I hear you calling...for a few things made in America.
 
2013-09-22 11:51:46 PM

Rodeodoc: I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

"Today historians attribute the massacre to a combination of factors, including war hysteria about possible invasion of Mormon territory, and hyperbolic Mormon teachings against outsiders which were part of the excesses of the Mormon Reformation period."
 
2013-09-22 11:56:45 PM

doglover: Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.

The rappers who fuse innocent gold and diamonds into horrific "bling"


The crap they call "music" terrorizes my ears.
 
2013-09-22 11:59:17 PM
Real Americans?  Or ... you know?
 
2013-09-23 12:00:31 AM

Paris1127: Minneapolis Star-Tribune isn't so sure.


FTA:

CNN reported Sunday that a Twitter site listing alleged attackers in the siege at a mall in Nairobi, Kenya, included the names of two Minnesotans, but the accuracy of the information was called into question.
Jason Straziuso, an Associated Press correspondent in East Africa, tweeted that the names were fake and had come from a bogus Twitter account.
CNN had said the list identified two of the alleged hostage-takers as Ahmed Mohamed Isse, 22, of  St. Paul, and Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid, 24, of Minneapolis. The names were among nine listed on a Twitter account that later was suspended, CNN reported.


That alone should've been a red flag to us.

Seems like Jeff Zucker took his worst ideas from NBC and carried them over to CNN. Their journalism quality has gone even further down the toilet than it was before he was put in charge.
 
2013-09-23 12:05:38 AM

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


Yes we are.  We've known about the American training supply line of young people for this Somali terrorist groups for years.  It's centered out of Minneapolis.  We know who the leaders are, what mosques they worship at, and have been observing them.  This is not the first incident.  It just doesn't get talked about other than on Minnesota public radio.  We are doing effectively nothing with the recruiting and training pipeline and radical clerics running the show.
 
2013-09-23 12:13:38 AM

Amos Quito: Five American gunmen involved?

Did an FBI "sting operation" get out of control, or what?


You get the occasional US terrorist associating with Al-Qaeda and such, just see the big debate about targeting US Citizens for drone strikes when they're alleged terrorists*.  However, I'll admit that they're normally seen as singles.  Five indicates something really unusual is going on.

*'Alleged' in the sense that they haven't been convicted in a court of law.  My rule is that if they're terrorist-like enough to justify a drone strike if they aren't US Citizens, they're terrorist-like to justify a strike even if they ARE.  If your justification level is low enough for non-citizens that you even want to consider a separate standard for citizens, you have it set too low.

Amos Quito: If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.


Rose-tinted glasses, grass greener on other side, etc...  If they weren't there during their formative years they probably can't even imagine how bad it really is.  It's also when males are at their most idealistic.

Back on the shooting.  Remember all the mass shootings in the USA, especially on weapon use?  AR-15, no AR-15, shotgun, no shotgun, handguns, no handguns...  1 shooter, 3 shooters, back to one, 2, etc...

I'd say give it at least 2 weeks before we have information that can even start to be considered reliable.
 
2013-09-23 12:17:01 AM

doglover: Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.

The rappers who fuse innocent gold and diamonds into horrific "bling"


Teenagers who text during the movie.
 
2013-09-23 12:21:10 AM

Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!


The Somali's here in Columbus appear to be actively attempting to destroy any semblance of order or community that the local black community has been fighting for for decades. It's really weird, and there is a tremendous amount of violence and just aggressive behavior between the Somali's and everyone else it seems.

I understand isolationist attitudes when you come from a farked up situation, but they are really aggro towards everyone here... to the point of throwing shiat (literally human feces) at your car at traffic lights to dissuade people from into "their area"

(I realize that sounds completely like some kind of super-racist propaganda BS thing to say, but I've actually seen them throw crap filled cloth diapers at "outsiders" (myself included) when I was sitting in a nearby strip mall parking lot waiting for an accident to get cleaned up so we could drive through the intersection.)
 
2013-09-23 12:23:49 AM
Feel free to keep 'em Kenya, and make their deaths the slow torture they richly deserve that they won't get over here.
 
2013-09-23 12:24:23 AM
Sorry for the apostrophe fail. Auto correct on the is being a biatch
 
2013-09-23 12:34:28 AM

Mrtraveler01: Paris1127: Minneapolis Star-Tribune isn't so sure.

FTA:

CNN reported Sunday that a Twitter site listing alleged attackers in the siege at a mall in Nairobi, Kenya, included the names of two Minnesotans, but the accuracy of the information was called into question.
Jason Straziuso, an Associated Press correspondent in East Africa, tweeted that the names were fake and had come from a bogus Twitter account.
CNN had said the list identified two of the alleged hostage-takers as Ahmed Mohamed Isse, 22, of  St. Paul, and Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid, 24, of Minneapolis. The names were among nine listed on a Twitter account that later was suspended, CNN reported.

That alone should've been a red flag to us.


We could use some independent confirmation. Maybe the New York Post?
pixel.nymag.com
 
2013-09-23 12:38:10 AM
I find the brand names on the Kenyan mall shelves to be far more interesting than all the shooting and pillaging and stuff.
 
2013-09-23 12:40:43 AM

cptjeff: obamadidcoke: cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians

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Yeah, we would never do that.

Targeted killings are are used to kill military targets and are done to minimize civilian casualties- and that indeed works. Even if you doubt the official figure, we would be killing far, far more with any other strategy.

It's not a matter of targeted strikes or no strikes- it's a matter of a precision attack after a long period of monitoring to minimize civilian deaths versus a cruise missile strike or an actual boots on the ground military raid. It's a light footprint strategy that liberals should be happy about.

To compare that to a terrorist attack with the express goal of killing as many civilians as possible is incredibly disgusting and ignorant.



Having personally witnessed Hellfire missile impacts, I can assure you, it is no "light footprint".
Is it considered a viable form of foreign policy when rockets from Palestine impact Israel? Then why is it ok for the US to breach the sovereign airspace of foreign countries? How do we maintain the moral high ground to defend our actions, while condemning others who do pretty much the same thing?

I'm all for killing people who mean us harm. Get them before they get us.  Let's bomb some more funerals. That'll learn 'em.

i.ebayimg.com

It is a complicated issue. Targeted strikes are NOT equivalent to terror attacks that purposefully harm civilians. But civilians still die. Children and women who have no connection other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So you are right there, cptjeff, but playing whack-a-mole with drone strikes is not a long term strategy. This is a multi-dimensional problem the US faces on the world stage, and requires a multi dimensional strategy to address. Payloads don't stop wars. The threat of military force coupled with an increased focus on statecraft stands a chance.
 
2013-09-23 12:46:38 AM

Rapmaster2000: Is there anyone here that isn't trolling?


No.
 
2013-09-23 12:58:00 AM

Confabulat: I find the brand names on the Kenyan mall shelves to be far more interesting than all the shooting and pillaging and stuff.


In other news, Kenya has a four-story shopping mall.

/i need to get out more.
 
2013-09-23 01:02:33 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Confabulat: I find the brand names on the Kenyan mall shelves to be far more interesting than all the shooting and pillaging and stuff.

In other news, Kenya has a four-story shopping mall.

/i need to get out more.


Did you see the pictures of the ethnicities in that mall, compared to, for example, those of the responding police and military?  It's a mall for rich immigrants that are there for various jobs, the rich 1%'ers in Kenya.

Of course, that translates to 'middle class' here in the USA, but there you go.
 
2013-09-23 01:03:19 AM
Certainly looks like they're eating better over there now!
 
2013-09-23 01:08:06 AM
Huck and Molly Ziegler:
In other news, Kenya has a four-story shopping mall.

/i need to get out more



This is like the fifth time someone mentioned this.  Are Americans really that insular that they don't realize that probably most countries in the world have malls atleast in their largest cities?

Seriously, what is the big deal?  I assume Kenya also has paved highways and tall buildings as well, jeezus.
 
2013-09-23 01:11:17 AM

cabbyman: Certainly looks like they're eating better over there now!


If you can afford it.
 
2013-09-23 01:18:59 AM
Subby gets his info from people who fact check on Twitter.
 
2013-09-23 01:19:50 AM
Hey its ok, theyre just participating in their peaceful religion, who are we to tell them thats wrong?
 
2013-09-23 01:22:27 AM
Apparently our gun nuts are doing enough in this country, so we need to export them to other countries now?
 
2013-09-23 01:23:59 AM

Amos Quito: Five American gunmen involved?

Did an FBI "sting operation" get out of control, or what?


It was like 'No Russian' we just have to find out if the American chose to shoot the civilians or not.
 
2013-09-23 01:24:04 AM

sendtodave: trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !

Because you never find murderous right wing extremists in European-American culture.

The problem here is assimilation, to be sure, but don't get the root cause backwards. They're radicalized because American culture doesn't accept them, not the other way around.


So they attacked Kenya because some Americans kids picked on them (like every other immigrant ever).  Sounds legit.
 
2013-09-23 01:25:12 AM

OneDayWhat: Having personally witnessed Hellfire missile impacts, I can assure you, it is no "light footprint".


How do they compare with cruise missiles? Full on ground invasion? As military strategy goes, they're about as light as it gets. And that's the term used in defense policy circles. Light footprint means drone strikes and special ops, as contrasted with something like the Iraq invasion. We're taking out terrorist leaders without putting many US assets at risk, and without killing many innocents. If we take the use of military force as a given, and in this situation there ain't much alternative in the short term, that's how to do it. And don't act surprised. Obama ran on the light footprint strategy and ramping up drone strikes in 2008. Most people ignored that because it didn't quite jive with their vision of him, but he's been exactly as billed on that one.

OneDayWhat:

It is a complicated issue. Targeted strikes are NOT equivalent to terror attacks that purposefully harm civilians. But civilians still die. Children and women who have no connection other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So you are right there, cptjeff, but playing whack-a-mole with drone strikes is not a long term strategy. This is a multi-dimensional problem the US faces on the world stage, and requires a multi dimensional strategy to address. Payloads don't stop wars. The threat of military force coupled with an increased focus on statecraft stands a chance.


I agree with all of that. We need a real long term strategy to prevent threats. We need to stop terrorism at its source, and that means actively building peace. We need to train civil society leaders, build up the rule of law, women's rights, and basically make communities stable and economically secure. That's a very long term process, and fortunately we're doing it. Look up the US Institute of Peace sometime, they're doing great work. We need to be smarter with development, and take much more integrated approaches to really address real problems. We need to see problems early, and head them off before they turn serious. Under Obama, State is making a real effort to do that with the Bureau of Conflict and Stabilization Operations.

There's real and serious long term work going on to create that multidimensional strategy to prevent wars. But it's the old ounce of prevention and pound of cure axiom- once something snowballs (at the risk of mixing analogies), you've got to roll with the punches. You've got to deal with the world you have, not the world you'd like to have.

What we cannot be is isolationist. We need real diplomatic engagement, even with people we hate. Yes, that means Iran. Yes, that means Hezbollah. Yes, Hamas. Yes, North Korea. Yes, every tinpot dictator in Africa. Yes, every kook in the Balkans. We need to engage at the ground level with civil society and local leaders. We need to be helping to create independent, fair and effective justice systems. We must engage. The world is too small for us not to. When we talk, we learn. We gain contacts, and knowing people on the ground really comes in handy when all of a sudden something happens and official news gets sketchy. Diplomatic contacts. Old fashioned spies. Intelligence agencies in the business of intelligence rather than acting as secret and unaccountable branches of our military.

But military force remains important as a tool. The world needs a police force. There needs to be an aircraft carrier sitting in the South China Sea to make sure China doesn't start beating up on Vietnamese shipping. There needs to be a carrier sitting in the Mediterranean or Red Sea to make sure a dictator thinks twice before launching a few jets and trying to take some nearby land. Right now, that's us. I'd really like to see our role decrease, and that of Europe increase. That's actually in process, but right now, it's us. And that makes us a target. So let's offer carrots, mitigate that somewhat, and in doing so, create real and sustainable solutions to human rights and economic issues around the world. That's a big, big ask. It would require a tremendous coordinated effort and vision. Probably not all that much more funding though, just a re-dedication of resources.

But that is all long term, and even as we execute a real long term plan based around peacebuilding and prevention, we still have to deal with short term military operations. And right now, in my opinion, the President's light footprint strategy is by far the best out of a lot of bad options.
 
2013-09-23 01:27:05 AM

SirEattonHogg: This is like the fifth time someone mentioned this.  Are Americans really that insular that they don't realize that probably most countries in the world have malls atleast in their largest cities?

Seriously, what is the big deal?  I assume Kenya also has paved highways and tall buildings as well, jeezus.


Are non-Americans really so feeble-minded that they for impressions of America from Fark.com posters?

As far as insular goes - drive ten hours east of Paris and you'll drive through four or five different nations.  Drive ten hours east of El Paso and you'll get to Houston.
 
2013-09-23 01:29:33 AM

flondrix: Rodeodoc: I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

"Today historians attribute the massacre to a combination of factors, including war hysteria about possible invasion of Mormon territory, and hyperbolic Mormon teachings against outsiders which were part of the excesses of the Mormon Reformation period."


You found one.  Treat yourself to a cookie.
 
2013-09-23 01:33:58 AM
I'll bite. How is this Obama's fault?
 
2013-09-23 01:36:38 AM

FLMountainMan: SirEattonHogg: This is like the fifth time someone mentioned this.  Are Americans really that insular that they don't realize that probably most countries in the world have malls atleast in their largest cities?

Seriously, what is the big deal?  I assume Kenya also has paved highways and tall buildings as well, jeezus.

Are non-Americans really so feeble-minded that they for impressions of America from Fark.com posters?

As far as insular goes - drive ten hours east of Paris and you'll drive through four or five different nations.  Drive ten hours east of El Paso and you'll get to Houston.


Nah, it's fairly accurate. Many, if not most, Americans really do think that just about everywhere in Africa is mud huts and loincloths. Take it from somebody who's taken comments from the general populace for a government agency before. By and large, we're pretty stupid about the rest of the world. But don't worry, so are the people in other countries- listen to World Have Your Say on BBC sometime. Everybody around the world is apparently just as dumb about the rest of it. Which is reassuring.
 
2013-09-23 01:42:15 AM

Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.


Pretty sure the IRA wasn't a muslim organisation.  Now were the numerous Americans who sent them money to buy semtex to blow up british pubs and shopping centres.

The one good thing that came out of 9/11 was a number of Americans suddenly waking up to the idea that funding terrorist organisations was maybe not socially acceptable any more.
 
2013-09-23 01:43:11 AM
*Nor, not now.
 
2013-09-23 01:55:22 AM
Looking at the pictures, does anybody else find it interesting that the army doesn't seem to have standardized uniforms or weapons?
 
2013-09-23 01:56:23 AM

limeyfellow: edmo: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

No. This means Kenya will invade some country that let's Americans live there and manage things.

Attack the Cayman Islands. One bomb and you can take out the official headquarters of tens of thousands of US corporations.


Have you ever considered running for office?
 
2013-09-23 02:09:21 AM
Modern Warfare what?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-23 02:27:17 AM
I guess they didn't get the stand down order.
 
2013-09-23 02:29:58 AM
Don't worry about Kenya. Once the Tea Party and Republicans start to really turn the screws on the American lower class, you'll probably be able to enjoy these exciting adventures first hand.
 
2013-09-23 02:36:23 AM
Great.  Home grown Islamonutjobs.  Time for for a purge.
 
2013-09-23 02:47:10 AM

Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.


Ireland points at him and laughs as well.
 
2013-09-23 02:48:48 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Great.  Home grown Islamonutjobs.  Time for for a purge.


5 of them. Can we purge other religious people if I can point out 5?
 
2013-09-23 03:05:04 AM

Shadow Blasko: Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!

The Somali's here in Columbus appear to be actively attempting to destroy any semblance of order or community that the local black community has been fighting for for decades. It's really weird, and there is a tremendous amount of violence and just aggressive behavior between the Somali's and everyone else it seems.

I understand isolationist attitudes when you come from a farked up situation, but they are really aggro towards everyone here... to the point of throwing shiat (literally human feces) at your car at traffic lights to dissuade people from into "their area"

(I realize that sounds completely like some kind of super-racist propaganda BS thing to say, but I've actually seen them throw crap filled cloth diapers at "outsiders" (myself included) when I was sitting in a nearby strip mall parking lot waiting for an accident to get cleaned up so we could drive through the intersection.)



Wow, Shadow Blasko.

Don 't get me wrong - but I'd hate to lose a Farker that amazingly predicted an X-class solar flare - within an hour!

Hope you can vacate that poo-flinging haven of pirate wannabes for greener pastures - post haste!


/Godspeed, my good man
 
2013-09-23 03:21:32 AM

BravadoGT: Religion of Peace!


Minnesota nice!

img.fark.net
 
2013-09-23 03:29:14 AM

Lsherm: Shadow Blasko: Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!

The Somali's here in Columbus appear to be actively attempting to destroy any semblance of order or community that the local black community has been fighting for for decades. It's really weird, and there is a tremendous amount of violence and just aggressive behavior between the Somali's and everyone else it seems.

I understand isolationist attitudes when you come from a farked up situation, but they are really aggro towards everyone here... to the point of throwing shiat (literally human feces) at your car at traffic lights to dissuade people from into "their area"

(I realize that sounds completely like some kind of super-racist propaganda BS thing to say, but I've actually seen them throw crap filled cloth diapers at "outsiders" (myself included) when I was sitting in a nearby strip mall parking lot waiting for an accident to get cleaned up so we could drive through the intersection.)

What. The. Fark?

That's farked up even for Ohio, and I'm from there.  What the hell is their problem?



They're not "from there"?
 
2013-09-23 03:55:17 AM

BigNumber12: Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica


Nooo!!!
Don't say that!!

How else can we justify mistreating immigrants and blatant racism?!
We need to stir things up so that we get the beauty like some of the comments here.


/people will always find an excuse to justify
 
2013-09-23 04:07:46 AM

RINO: Looking at the pictures, does anybody else find it interesting that the army doesn't seem to have standardized uniforms or weapons?


I see maybe 2 - other than that it looks like they have a plain long coat for wet weather/rain gear, which they're wearing in many of the pictures.

Besides that, I do see 3 rifle types, which would make sense if you figure that the team with what look like SCARs are some sort of special forces, while the militia types have to make do with AKs and the police types have ARs.
 
2013-09-23 04:48:20 AM

liquidpoo: Rincewind53:
Al-Shabaab has been extremely successful in using the internet as well, and are one of the most tech-savvy jihadist groups out there. Omar Hammami, an Egyptian-American from the Atlanta area (I think), used to be their media guy and was a major Twitter user. They get on Twitter using internet cafes and their smart phones, or a number of other ways. They also use Youtube videos and forums to recruit people. Just last month they published a video celebrating the http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/08/08/fbi-al-shabaab-released-viole nt-video-to-recruit-minn-men-for-jihad/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>"Minnesota Martyrs", and are continuing to try to recruit in Minneapolis and in other hotbeds of the Somali diaspora. Similar waves of recruitment to what happened in Minneapolis occurred in Australia and in Toronto.

Al-Amriki
Omar was from Daphne, AL. Born from an American mother and a Syrian father. And most likely dead.


I had Omar on my short list for DeadPool 2014. Godamit.
 
2013-09-23 04:48:54 AM

cptjeff: FLMountainMan: SirEattonHogg: This is like the fifth time someone mentioned this.  Are Americans really that insular that they don't realize that probably most countries in the world have malls atleast in their largest cities?

Seriously, what is the big deal?  I assume Kenya also has paved highways and tall buildings as well, jeezus.

Are non-Americans really so feeble-minded that they for impressions of America from Fark.com posters?

As far as insular goes - drive ten hours east of Paris and you'll drive through four or five different nations.  Drive ten hours east of El Paso and you'll get to Houston.

Nah, it's fairly accurate. Many, if not most, Americans really do think that just about everywhere in Africa is mud huts and loincloths. Take it from somebody who's taken comments from the general populace for a government agency before. By and large, we're pretty stupid about the rest of the world. But don't worry, so are the people in other countries- listen to World Have Your Say on BBC sometime. Everybody around the world is apparently just as dumb about the rest of it. Which is reassuring.


There's a fun project up here to try and turn that kind of perception on its head:

http://www.africafornorway.no/
 
2013-09-23 05:13:08 AM

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


Not a bad idea. Maybe we could even try to build bridges and roads and provide health care to win over the hearts and minds of the people.
 
2013-09-23 05:16:57 AM

mediablitz: ThrobblefootSpectre: Great.  Home grown Islamonutjobs.  Time for for a purge.

5 of them. Can we purge other religious people if I can point out 5?


It's nice to see the right just being open about being OK with ethnic cleansing now.
 
2013-09-23 05:20:35 AM

Pointy Tail of Satan


Don't worry about Kenya. Once the Tea Party and Republicans start to really turn the screws on the American lower class, you'll probably be able to enjoy these exciting adventures first hand.


Holy shiat you turds don't let up. While I am amazed at your stupidity, I am equally amazed with your ability to make come up with the shiat people like you post. Muslims in Kenya shoot up a mall and you link it to economics, specifically, republicans destroying the lower class. Let me take a stab at it.

"Now that the Democrats have passed Obamacare Americans will be begging to get shot while shopping for clothes. It's either that or the long, slow death they will receive from the shiatty healthcare Obamacare is bringing us."

Man, that's harder than I thought when it's forced. You must be a genuine farkup to be so good at it.
 
2013-09-23 05:25:23 AM

Matthew Keene: Rest assured that none of the five will be named Robert Smith.


Why not?  He wrote "Killing an Arab," after all.
 
2013-09-23 05:45:21 AM
If you work at a gas station in St. Paul, now would be the time to don a blonde wig and call everybody 'sugar.'
 
2013-09-23 06:00:32 AM

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


Dick Cheney still lives here, last I checked...
 
2013-09-23 06:03:08 AM

Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!


I would be too, but remember:  we're talking teenagers here.  Not exactly the brightest animals on the planet...

Plus, Minnesota?  some of them probably signed up just to get someplace warm again :)
 
2013-09-23 06:10:51 AM
It's just a video game.
 
2013-09-23 06:16:51 AM

Resident Muslim: BigNumber12: Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica

Nooo!!!
Don't say that!!

How else can we justify mistreating immigrants and blatant racism?!
We need to stir things up so that we get the beauty like some of the comments here.

/people will always find an excuse to justify


Sorry, Muslim isn't a "race", so you don't get to play the racism card.

When adherents of a religion call for my death, specifically, responding to that falls more into self-defense than bigotry, imho.  YMMV.
 
2013-09-23 06:38:32 AM

Amos Quito: cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


Who is?




Pakistan. Iran. Sudan.
 
2013-09-23 06:46:49 AM
They aren't Americans anymore. Once they took up arms for Allah and started killing innocent people for a political end, they became mercenaries and terrorists, and have renounced any affiliation with America (if they are from here) or any other country they are from. They are not our citizens, feel free to kill the shiat out of them. We don't want them back.
 
2013-09-23 06:48:30 AM

rooftop235: mrlewish: skinink: How did that lady get in the vent to hide?

It's amazing what one can do when you know someone else is intent on putting a bullet in you.

This is true. I managed to brake, gas, brake, gas and shift a Toyota Celica out of a T style intersection while being shot at by a guy with a big ass revolver. Sucked to be him when he decided to hop back in his car and chase me all the way to buck road and arcata lane when I got to run back out of the house with an M1 and my buddy with a .44

No one died. But he and his wife got deported...





Wait, what? Going to need a more in depth story here bro.
 
2013-09-23 06:48:58 AM

PunGent: Resident Muslim: BigNumber12: Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica

Nooo!!!
Don't say that!!

How else can we justify mistreating immigrants and blatant racism?!
We need to stir things up so that we get the beauty like some of the comments here.

/people will always find an excuse to justify

Sorry, Muslim isn't a "race", so you don't get to play the racism card.

When adherents of a religion call for my death, specifically, responding to that falls more into self-defense than bigotry, imho.  YMMV.


Not playing cards. There are people on this thread name-calling the black Somalis. Imagine what gets said in real life.

I just would like you to think when skinheads, adherents to the Christian faith call for my death, how would you like me to treat other Christians?

/all for self-Defence
//all against collateral damage, civilian casualties and light footprints
///slash hatred
 
2013-09-23 07:18:50 AM

Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.


And not to forget the very similar battles between Catholic and Protestants in Ireland, very similar to the Sunni vs shiate, and if memory serves they only got over that fairly recently.
 
2013-09-23 07:21:40 AM
I don't get why so many people died. I thought they all could run really fast.

/I'll take an aisle seat
//I usually have to use the bathroom
///is there food on the bus?
////I'll be in the slashy part of hell
 
2013-09-23 07:29:00 AM
Well since guns are illegal in Kenya it totally makes sense that the gunmen are American
 
2013-09-23 08:07:35 AM

PunGent: Resident Muslim: BigNumber12: Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica

Nooo!!!
Don't say that!!

How else can we justify mistreating immigrants and blatant racism?!
We need to stir things up so that we get the beauty like some of the comments here.

/people will always find an excuse to justify

Sorry, Muslim isn't a "race", so you don't get to play the racism card.

When adherents of a religion call for my death, specifically, responding to that falls more into self-defense than bigotry, imho.  YMMV.


So if I "respond" to that church calling for all the lgbt in America to be put in camps I'm justified? Sweet! Or is it different because jesus?
 
2013-09-23 08:07:46 AM
I wouldn't be surprised. There are two things American's love: Being stupid and fighting other people's battles. This sounds like the average American's wet dream.

/how else do you explain 8 years of Boosh.
 
2013-09-23 08:18:32 AM

Yes this is dog: It's nice to see the right just being open about being OK with ethnic cleansing now.


Sigh.  So only "darkies" can be Islamic, right Cletus?

1) Islam isn't a race.  (Remember those two white kids that just bombed Boston?)
2)  Rooting out violent nutjobs at home has nothing to do with race.
3)  I'm an Obama hugging lefty.

Stop being an ignorant racist terrorism apologist.
 
2013-09-23 08:36:47 AM
AINO: Americans in name only
 
2013-09-23 08:43:09 AM

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: They're muslims from america, not Americans.  Yes, I said it.  you know I'm right.  if they turn out white, then we've got a story.. till then, meh.


I guess if they turn out to be white then they really DO have a reason to kill whitey this time.
 
2013-09-23 08:51:32 AM

Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.


Were you molested? All you post about is how bad Christianity is. In a thread not even about it.
 
2013-09-23 09:14:33 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Sigh. So only "darkies" can be Islamic, right Cletus?

1) Islam isn't a race. (Remember those two white kids that just bombed Boston?)


I also remember idiots on the right bending over backwards to argue that they weren't really "caucasian" even though they came from Caucasia.
 
2013-09-23 09:26:23 AM

Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch

So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?


None. They were all US Americans. Haven't you been paying attention?
 
2013-09-23 09:26:33 AM

truthseeker2083: PunGent: Resident Muslim: BigNumber12: Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica

Nooo!!!
Don't say that!!

How else can we justify mistreating immigrants and blatant racism?!
We need to stir things up so that we get the beauty like some of the comments here.

/people will always find an excuse to justify

Sorry, Muslim isn't a "race", so you don't get to play the racism card.

When adherents of a religion call for my death, specifically, responding to that falls more into self-defense than bigotry, imho.  YMMV.

So if I "respond" to that church calling for all the lgbt in America to be put in camps I'm justified? Sweet! Or is it different because jesus?


If they ACT on those beliefs?  sure.  I think you'll admit Muslim extremism goes just a bit beyond "calling" for things, though.
 
2013-09-23 09:29:33 AM

Resident Muslim: PunGent: Resident Muslim: BigNumber12: Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica

Nooo!!!
Don't say that!!

How else can we justify mistreating immigrants and blatant racism?!
We need to stir things up so that we get the beauty like some of the comments here.

/people will always find an excuse to justify

Sorry, Muslim isn't a "race", so you don't get to play the racism card.

When adherents of a religion call for my death, specifically, responding to that falls more into self-defense than bigotry, imho.  YMMV.

Not playing cards. There are people on this thread name-calling the black Somalis. Imagine what gets said in real life.

I just would like you to think when skinheads, adherents to the Christian faith call for my death, how would you like me to treat other Christians?


Yeah, skin heads suck.   Got a recent example of mass terrorism by them?  because shooting up a mall goes a bit beyond "calling" for something...
 
2013-09-23 09:32:26 AM
Threads like these are testing the theoretical limit of how big an ignore list can be.
 
2013-09-23 09:47:30 AM

Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

Plenty of christian terrorists. Anders Bering Breivik, the most prolific single terrorist gunman in history is rabidly christian.
Plenty of buddhist terrorists as well.
And Hindi
And Jewish.

Mostly buddhist though. Those guys are really fond of murdering kids.

/not joking, although I bet some of you think so. I'm just really, really good at reading statistics (www.un.org) and buddhists are really, really violent.
 
2013-09-23 09:50:41 AM

Naesen: Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.

And not to forget the very similar battles between Catholic and Protestants in Ireland, very similar to the Sunni vs shiate, and if memory serves they only got over that fairly recently.


LOL.  All the cultural apologists love to cite the IRA.  Total death toll in 30 years of The Troubles - 3,530.  Or about 117 people per year.
 
2013-09-23 09:56:41 AM

FLMountainMan: Naesen: Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.

And not to forget the very similar battles between Catholic and Protestants in Ireland, very similar to the Sunni vs shiate, and if memory serves they only got over that fairly recently.

LOL.  All the cultural apologists love to cite the IRA.  Total death toll in 30 years of The Troubles - 3,530.  Or about 117 people per year.


Islam tops that daily... for thundreds of years

/But mommy , billy did it too
//Did Brev scream thank god as he was shooting?
 
2013-09-23 10:23:33 AM
NPR covered this today and got me focused on what was going down, there.  That was an incredible sequence of photos.
 
2013-09-23 10:23:41 AM

PunGent: Resident Muslim: PunGent: Resident Muslim: BigNumber12: Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica

Nooo!!!
Don't say that!!

How else can we justify mistreating immigrants and blatant racism?!
We need to stir things up so that we get the beauty like some of the comments here.

/people will always find an excuse to justify

Sorry, Muslim isn't a "race", so you don't get to play the racism card.

When adherents of a religion call for my death, specifically, responding to that falls more into self-defense than bigotry, imho.  YMMV.

Not playing cards. There are people on this thread name-calling the black Somalis. Imagine what gets said in real life.

I just would like you to think when skinheads, adherents to the Christian faith call for my death, how would you like me to treat other Christians?

Yeah, skin heads suck.   Got a recent example of mass terrorism by them?  because shooting up a mall goes a bit beyond "calling" for something...


Muslims massacred in Bosnia is not a reflection of peaceful Christians.
Muslims massacred in Burma is not a reflection of peaceful Buddhists.
The Christian sniper who had God guiding his hand when he killed over a hundred males "of fighting age" recently here on Fark is not a representative sample.
How many Muslim civilians were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during Bush's "Crusade"? (His choice of words, not mine). Please do the research on just how many children died. Use UNICEF numbers for a more trusted site.
And how many people here on Fark call to make that area into a 'glass parking lot'?
If that was representative of all of Fark, I wouldn't be here.

Luckily life isn't like that.
 
2013-09-23 10:26:00 AM

PunGent: Resident Muslim: PunGent: Resident Muslim: BigNumber12: Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica

Nooo!!!
Don't say that!!

How else can we justify mistreating immigrants and blatant racism?!
We need to stir things up so that we get the beauty like some of the comments here.

/people will always find an excuse to justify

Sorry, Muslim isn't a "race", so you don't get to play the racism card.

When adherents of a religion call for my death, specifically, responding to that falls more into self-defense than bigotry, imho.  YMMV.

Not playing cards. There are people on this thread name-calling the black Somalis. Imagine what gets said in real life.

I just would like you to think when skinheads, adherents to the Christian faith call for my death, how would you like me to treat other Christians?

Yeah, skin heads suck.   Got a recent example of mass terrorism by them?  because shooting up a mall goes a bit beyond "calling" for something...


Muslims massacred in Bosnia is not a reflection of peaceful Christians.
Muslims massacred in Burma is not a reflection of peaceful Buddhists.
The Christian sniper in Iraq, who had God guiding his hand when he killed over a hundred males "of fighting age" (read anyone over a certain height), recently here on Fark is not a representative sample.
How many Muslim civilians were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during Bush's "Crusade"? (His choice of words, not mine). Please do the research on just how many children died. Use UNICEF numbers for a more trusted site.
And how many people here on Fark call to make that area into a 'glass parking lot'?
If that was representative of all of Fark, I wouldn't be here.

Luckily life isn't like that.
 
2013-09-23 10:37:29 AM

Resident Muslim: PunGent: Resident Muslim: PunGent: Resident Muslim: BigNumber12: Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica

Nooo!!!
Don't say that!!

How else can we justify mistreating immigrants and blatant racism?!
We need to stir things up so that we get the beauty like some of the comments here.

/people will always find an excuse to justify

Sorry, Muslim isn't a "race", so you don't get to play the racism card.

When adherents of a religion call for my death, specifically, responding to that falls more into self-defense than bigotry, imho.  YMMV.

Not playing cards. There are people on this thread name-calling the black Somalis. Imagine what gets said in real life.

I just would like you to think when skinheads, adherents to the Christian faith call for my death, how would you like me to treat other Christians?

Yeah, skin heads suck.   Got a recent example of mass terrorism by them?  because shooting up a mall goes a bit beyond "calling" for something...

Muslims massacred in Bosnia is not a reflection of peaceful Christians.
Muslims massacred in Burma is not a reflection of peaceful Buddhists.
The Christian sniper who had God guiding his hand when he killed over a hundred males "of fighting age" recently here on Fark is not a representative sample.
How many Muslim civilians were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during Bush's "Crusade"? (His choice of words, not mine). Please do the research on just how many children died. Use UNICEF numbers for a more trusted site.
And how many people here on Fark call to make that area into a 'glass parking lot'?
If that was representative of all of Fark, I wouldn't be here.

Luckily life isn't like that.


This is like saying, How many civilians died in our heartless taking down of hittler. You are an apologist for death in the name of allah. How many more have freedom and were saved because of what the US did in Iraq and afghanistan. How many were dying before the US went in? How many would have continued to be killed? Bosnia? Where the US went in and saved muslims? Were the Serbs scraming THANK GOD!!! while killing and raping? Muslims kill more muslims than we ever have or will. You should really read up on the crusades, you know... the response to islam taking over that area by force.
Maybe if islam wasnt so savage other cultures would not have to baby sit it
 
2013-09-23 10:52:30 AM

limeyfellow: Attack the Cayman Islands. One bomb and you can take out the official headquarters of tens of thousands of US corporations.


I'm nit sure I've ever seen a US corporation that wasn't officially headquartered in Delaware.
 
2013-09-23 10:58:31 AM

Naesen: And not to forget the very similar battles between Catholic and Protestants in Ireland, very similar to the Sunni vs shiate, and if memory serves they only got over that fairly recently.


Ireland v. England was a mostly cultural battle with religious differences. Consider that Ireland and Scotland (Presbyterian) got along fairly well, and that Ireland was politically closer to Protestant Germany than Catholic France.

Think of it as the Kurds versus the Turks. There are religious differences, but primarily, it's two cultures that don't like each other.

Although Northern Ireland v. Ireland has stronger religious implications.
 
2013-09-23 11:00:53 AM

Resident Muslim: PunGent: Resident Muslim: PunGent: Resident Muslim: BigNumber12: Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica

Nooo!!!
Don't say that!!

How else can we justify mistreating immigrants and blatant racism?!
We need to stir things up so that we get the beauty like some of the comments here.

/people will always find an excuse to justify

Sorry, Muslim isn't a "race", so you don't get to play the racism card.

When adherents of a religion call for my death, specifically, responding to that falls more into self-defense than bigotry, imho.  YMMV.

Not playing cards. There are people on this thread name-calling the black Somalis. Imagine what gets said in real life.

I just would like you to think when skinheads, adherents to the Christian faith call for my death, how would you like me to treat other Christians?

Yeah, skin heads suck.   Got a recent example of mass terrorism by them?  because shooting up a mall goes a bit beyond "calling" for something...

Muslims massacred in Bosnia is not a reflection of peaceful Christians.
Muslims massacred in Burma is not a reflection of peaceful Buddhists.
The Christian sniper in Iraq, who had God guiding his hand when he killed over a hundred males "of fighting age" (read anyone over a certain height), recently here on Fark is not a representative sample.
How many Muslim civilians were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan during Bush's "Crusade"? (His choice of words, not mine). Please do the research on just how many children died. Use UNICEF numbers for a more trusted site.
And how many people here on Fark call to make that area into a 'glass parking lot'?
If that was representative of all of Fark, I wouldn't be here.

Luckily life isn't like that.



Here's the fatal flaw in your reasoning.  Here's the fatal flaw committed by the Burmese Buddhists, by both sides of the conflict in Northern Ireland, and by countless others.

Religious community proceeds from individual faith, not the other way around.  The state of your soul is nobody's business but yours and your God's.  You are under no moral compunction whatsoever to follow the faith of your forebears.  Prophets, teachers, priests, imams, rabbis, ministers, etc. are there to advise and inspire, but each individual human being is ultimately responsible for his or her own fate.

"Religious" conflicts are almost always communitarian conflicts, where religion is a convenient, obvious means for determining the boundary of a community.  Even when religion has nothing to do with the real, or perceived, sources of the conflict.
 
2013-09-23 11:04:28 AM

Savage Belief: Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch

So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?

None. They were all US Americans. Haven't you been paying attention?


Can't be. US Americans don't have maps, so they wouldn't have found the Trade Center.
 
2013-09-23 12:01:48 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: They aren't Americans anymore. Once they took up arms for Allah Corporations and started killing innocent people for a political end Profits, they became mercenaries and terrorists, and have renounced any affiliation with America (if they are from here) or any other country they are from. They are not our citizens, feel free to kill the shiat out of them. We don't want them back.


This works too.
 
2013-09-23 12:10:30 PM

FLMountainMan: Naesen: Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.

And not to forget the very similar battles between Catholic and Protestants in Ireland, very similar to the Sunni vs shiate, and if memory serves they only got over that fairly recently.

LOL.  All the cultural apologists love to cite the IRA.  Total death toll in 30 years of The Troubles - 3,530.  Or about 117 people per year.


Hey, the killings tend to get less efficient when alcohol isn't outlawed (and even less so when your country is renowned for it). The idea behind my statement basically was that the reasons were equally as silly despite the differences in magnitude. And to be fair, I don't remember many reports of the IRA targeting folks of distinctly different faiths.

tl;dr: not a cultural apologist, just pointing out that it's not uncommon to have any organization find a way to vilify others regardless of how inconsequential or silly the differences.

/Take away the Islam and these assholes will find some other reason to cram their turbans full of explosives.
 
2013-09-23 12:56:19 PM

TuteTibiImperes: TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.

I should clarify, only those who have gone overseas.  If they're involved in terrorist actions on US soil, that should still be a matter for the police/FBI/DHS/insert-government-agency-here.


so are you saying you're OK for the US to just send in MQ-1 Predators to Nairobi and send a few  AGM-114N Metal Augmented Charge Thermobaric Hellfires through the windows of the Westgate Mall?

I'm afraid I'm quite understanding what you're saying here hotshot.
 
2013-09-23 05:01:27 PM

wickedragon: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.
Plenty of christian terrorists. Anders Bering Breivik, the most prolific single terrorist gunman in history is rabidly christian.
Plenty of buddhist terrorists as well.
And Hindi
And Jewish.

Mostly buddhist though. Those guys are really fond of murdering kids.

/not joking, although I bet some of you think so. I'm just really, really good at reading statistics (www.un.org) and buddhists are really, really violent.


But I've been assured by dozens of people that Buddhism isn't even a religion, and is all about peace! Are you telling me people would just get "involved" in a religion without knowing anything about it?
 
2013-09-23 05:09:50 PM

obamadidcoke: cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians

[commonsenseconspiracy.com image 463x312]
Yeah, we would never do that.


To be fair, this is a capability the US did not have before Bush II, so it's difficult to put those numbers into any kind of context.

Does the POTUS say when/where drones are used?
 
2013-09-23 05:14:00 PM

Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.


Anyone who thinks religious violence is in any way, shape, or form, confined to any religion in particular... is a moron.

Limiting yourself to JUST terrorist attacks within the last year, you will find Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, and more, having violence done directly in their names. Terrorism isn't limited to any religion.
 
2013-09-23 07:49:42 PM

LavenderWolf: obamadidcoke: cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians

[commonsenseconspiracy.com image 463x312]
Yeah, we would never do that.

To be fair, this is a capability the US did not have before Bush II, so it's difficult to put those numbers into any kind of context.

Does the POTUS say when/where drones are used?


Do you think he's in charge?

i40.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-23 09:05:56 PM
America's an easy country to recruit in, for Terrorist organizations. After all, just look at the Tea Party.
 
2013-09-24 08:20:28 AM

flynn80: Bit'O'Gristle: They aren't Americans anymore. Once they took up arms for Allah Corporations and started killing innocent people for a political end Profits, they became mercenaries and terrorists, and have renounced any affiliation with America (if they are from here) or any other country they are from. They are not our citizens, feel free to kill the shiat out of them. We don't want them back.

This works too.



Go home Occupy, you're drunk and you smell bad
 
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