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2013-09-22 10:46:51 PM
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2013-09-22 10:47:23 PM

Rincewind53: //was a research analyst  for two yearson an academic project studying Islamic terrorism


So I bet you're really getting a kick out of some of these replies...

/sorry
 
2013-09-22 10:47:33 PM
Religion of blowing people to pieces, more like, amirite?
 
2013-09-22 10:47:49 PM

Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch

So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?

pretty sure he was referring to Afghanistan.

Yes but I was referring to Iraq.


not sure why but I'll play along. 0. 0 9/11 hijackers were from Iraq. Incidentally, 0 is also the number of hijackers that were from Afghanistan as well.
 
2013-09-22 10:47:50 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

Obama's real birth certificate is in the brief case. Alex Jones told me so.
 
2013-09-22 10:47:53 PM

Peter von Nostrand: TuteTibiImperes: TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.

I should clarify, only those who have gone overseas.  If they're involved in terrorist actions on US soil, that should still be a matter for the police/FBI/DHS/insert-government-agency-here.

Eh... Rand is cool with drone striking some guy they think might be robbing a convenience store


Oh Goddamnit so much.  I'm having a hard enough time trying to successfully rob a convenience store in GTA V.  Now you're telling me I have to worry about drone strikes just when I think I've gotten away with it?
 
2013-09-22 10:48:30 PM

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


commonsenseconspiracy.com
Yeah, we would never do that.
 
2013-09-22 10:55:48 PM
They're muslims from america, not Americans.  Yes, I said it.  you know I'm right.  if they turn out white, then we've got a story.. till then, meh.
 
2013-09-22 10:58:05 PM
Going overseas and having consensual sex with a 17 year old = 10 years in prison.

But going overseas as a mercenary and shooting a 17 year old in the head = PAYDAY?

Got it.
 
2013-09-22 10:58:53 PM
Thanks, Obama?
 
2013-09-22 11:00:02 PM

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


You don't invade the country where the terrorists are from.  You invade the country next to it.  Watch out Canada!
 
2013-09-22 11:04:32 PM

trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !


Because you never find murderous right wing extremists in European-American culture.

The problem here is assimilation, to be sure, but don't get the root cause backwards. They're radicalized because American culture doesn't accept them, not the other way around.
 
2013-09-22 11:07:52 PM
Gotta get our own house in order, but I'm still more at risk from a random white dude with a gun and a grudge
 
2013-09-22 11:08:42 PM

sendtodave: trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !

Because you never find murderous right wing extremists in European-American culture.

The problem here is assimilation, to be sure, but don't get the root cause backwards. They're radicalized because American culture doesn't accept them, not the other way around.


see everyone? They simply HAD to kill because America just wasn't accepting of their 12th century barbarism.
Maybe they didn't make it to the Midwest?
 
2013-09-22 11:13:18 PM

Rincewind53: But if they disagree? Well.... Omar Hammami (Abu Mansur al-Amriki), who used to be big with the organization, now has a death sentence on his head from them, because he broke with them on a number of policy arguments.


They supposedly killed him a few weeks ago.
 
2013-09-22 11:14:07 PM

edmo: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

No. This means Kenya will invade some country that let's Americans live there and manage things.


Attack the Cayman Islands. One bomb and you can take out the official headquarters of tens of thousands of US corporations.
 
2013-09-22 11:17:51 PM
FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.
 
2013-09-22 11:18:28 PM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: Are they "Americans" or are they some skinnys we foolishly gave citizenship to?


We have a winrar.  Third world shiathead temporarily located in the US under a misguided settlement program != American.
 
2013-09-22 11:20:25 PM

The Southern Dandy: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

You don't invade the country where the terrorists are from.  You invade the country next to it.  Watch out Canada!


My money is on Mexico. We need to secure our supply of flour tortillas for Chipotle burritos. They are after all part of the S&P 500 and crucial metric of our economy.
 
2013-09-22 11:20:36 PM

obamadidcoke: cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians

[commonsenseconspiracy.com image 463x312]
Yeah, we would never do that.


Targeted killings are are used to kill military targets and are done to minimize civilian casualties- and that indeed works. Even if you doubt the official figure, we would be killing far, far more with any other strategy.

It's not a matter of targeted strikes or no strikes- it's a matter of a precision attack after a long period of monitoring to minimize civilian deaths versus a cruise missile strike or an actual boots on the ground military raid. It's a light footprint strategy that liberals should be happy about.

To compare that to a terrorist attack with the express goal of killing as many civilians as possible is incredibly disgusting and ignorant.
 
2013-09-22 11:23:02 PM
Those five Americans are likely heroes and need to bring those fine folks home where they can get the full celebrity treatment.  Book deals, movie, interviews, guest appearances on sitcoms and even their own reality show is all required to show how those five handled themselves in such a stressful trip overseas.  I hope the locals don't rough up our fine responsible civilians.
 
2013-09-22 11:24:33 PM

machoprogrammer: Rincewind53: But if they disagree? Well.... Omar Hammami (Abu Mansur al-Amriki), who used to be big with the organization, now has a death sentence on his head from them, because he broke with them on a number of policy arguments.

They supposedly killed him a few weeks ago.


Ouch. I missed that.

I'm not going to say he didn't have it coming to him, but it's still a sad story. He was a really interesting guy.
 
2013-09-22 11:25:07 PM
Abu Omar, al-Shabaab military commander in Somalia, denies that there were any Britans or Americans involved in the attack - @BBCAfrica
 
2013-09-22 11:25:38 PM

skullkrusher: sendtodave: trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !

Because you never find murderous right wing extremists in European-American culture.

The problem here is assimilation, to be sure, but don't get the root cause backwards. They're radicalized because American culture doesn't accept them, not the other way around.

see everyone? They simply HAD to kill because America just wasn't accepting of their 12th century barbarism.
Maybe they didn't make it to the Midwest?


Outcasts and pariahs make for good radicals.
 
2013-09-22 11:28:21 PM
They weren't Americans, they were Muslims who lived in America.
 
2013-09-22 11:29:10 PM

zerkalo: Gotta get our own house in order, but I'm still more at risk from a random white dude cop with a gun and a grudge badge.


FTFY
 
2013-09-22 11:33:55 PM
I subscribe to alerts from a local TV station in Kansas City.

When I saw an alert that said "KC Man among Kenya mall attackers", I figured that it meant that one of the victims was from Kansas City and that it was just a typo.

Then I went to the app and realize that it really meant that one of the terrorists lived in Kansas City for a period of time.
 
2013-09-22 11:34:53 PM
Rincewind53:
Al-Shabaab has been extremely successful in using the internet as well, and are one of the most tech-savvy jihadist groups out there. Omar Hammami, an Egyptian-American from the Atlanta area (I think), used to be their media guy and was a major Twitter user. They get on Twitter using internet cafes and their smart phones, or a number of other ways. They also use Youtube videos and forums to recruit people. Just last month they published a video celebrating the http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/08/08/fbi-al-shabaab-released-viole nt-video-to-recruit-minn-men-for-jihad/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>"Minnesota Martyrs", and are continuing to try to recruit in Minneapolis and in other hotbeds of the Somali diaspora. Similar waves of recruitment to what happened in Minneapolis occurred in Australia and in Toronto.

Al-Amriki
Omar was from Daphne, AL. Born from an American mother and a Syrian father. And most likely dead.
 
2013-09-22 11:36:40 PM
I've never seen this show, but I hear a lot of people talking about it.
I just don't think I'd like a movie about surfing.
 
2013-09-22 11:38:05 PM

Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.


You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.
 
2013-09-22 11:38:10 PM
Rest assured that none of the five will be named Robert Smith.
 
2013-09-22 11:38:11 PM

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


This is the kind of trolling that dreams are made of.
 
2013-09-22 11:40:34 PM

Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.


The rappers who fuse innocent gold and diamonds into horrific "bling"
 
2013-09-22 11:41:46 PM

trailerpimp: Yay multiculturalism !


I know. All of us white, black and yellow people should just go home and leave America to the Natives.
 
2013-09-22 11:42:13 PM

JesusJuice: They weren't Americans, they were Muslims who lived in America.


Does this apply to all religions or just this particular one when defining who is American in your eyes?

Just wondering if that whole "freedom of religion" idea was becoming passé or we started adding astricks to certian religions we aren't fond of?
 
2013-09-22 11:43:07 PM

Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.



Haven't seen it, doesn't exist!
 
2013-09-22 11:45:54 PM
 
2013-09-22 11:51:00 PM
Mecca I hear you calling...for a few things made in America.
 
2013-09-22 11:51:46 PM

Rodeodoc: I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

"Today historians attribute the massacre to a combination of factors, including war hysteria about possible invasion of Mormon territory, and hyperbolic Mormon teachings against outsiders which were part of the excesses of the Mormon Reformation period."
 
2013-09-22 11:56:45 PM

doglover: Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.

The rappers who fuse innocent gold and diamonds into horrific "bling"


The crap they call "music" terrorizes my ears.
 
2013-09-22 11:59:17 PM
Real Americans?  Or ... you know?
 
2013-09-23 12:00:31 AM

Paris1127: Minneapolis Star-Tribune isn't so sure.


FTA:

CNN reported Sunday that a Twitter site listing alleged attackers in the siege at a mall in Nairobi, Kenya, included the names of two Minnesotans, but the accuracy of the information was called into question.
Jason Straziuso, an Associated Press correspondent in East Africa, tweeted that the names were fake and had come from a bogus Twitter account.
CNN had said the list identified two of the alleged hostage-takers as Ahmed Mohamed Isse, 22, of  St. Paul, and Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid, 24, of Minneapolis. The names were among nine listed on a Twitter account that later was suspended, CNN reported.


That alone should've been a red flag to us.

Seems like Jeff Zucker took his worst ideas from NBC and carried them over to CNN. Their journalism quality has gone even further down the toilet than it was before he was put in charge.
 
2013-09-23 12:05:38 AM

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


Yes we are.  We've known about the American training supply line of young people for this Somali terrorist groups for years.  It's centered out of Minneapolis.  We know who the leaders are, what mosques they worship at, and have been observing them.  This is not the first incident.  It just doesn't get talked about other than on Minnesota public radio.  We are doing effectively nothing with the recruiting and training pipeline and radical clerics running the show.
 
2013-09-23 12:13:38 AM

Amos Quito: Five American gunmen involved?

Did an FBI "sting operation" get out of control, or what?


You get the occasional US terrorist associating with Al-Qaeda and such, just see the big debate about targeting US Citizens for drone strikes when they're alleged terrorists*.  However, I'll admit that they're normally seen as singles.  Five indicates something really unusual is going on.

*'Alleged' in the sense that they haven't been convicted in a court of law.  My rule is that if they're terrorist-like enough to justify a drone strike if they aren't US Citizens, they're terrorist-like to justify a strike even if they ARE.  If your justification level is low enough for non-citizens that you even want to consider a separate standard for citizens, you have it set too low.

Amos Quito: If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.


Rose-tinted glasses, grass greener on other side, etc...  If they weren't there during their formative years they probably can't even imagine how bad it really is.  It's also when males are at their most idealistic.

Back on the shooting.  Remember all the mass shootings in the USA, especially on weapon use?  AR-15, no AR-15, shotgun, no shotgun, handguns, no handguns...  1 shooter, 3 shooters, back to one, 2, etc...

I'd say give it at least 2 weeks before we have information that can even start to be considered reliable.
 
2013-09-23 12:17:01 AM

doglover: Lorelle: Rodeodoc: FTA:Elaine Dang, 26, a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, has been named as one of the injured and is recovering in hospital today. She tweeted on Sunday: 'I am recovering. Thank you for all the love and support - in Kenya and overseas. Terrorism knows no religion.'

Thanks for your vapid Berkeley indoctrinated platitudes, Ms Dang, and hopefully you recover form your injuries and your shock.  However, if you're laying money on terrorism and religion, you know you'll always be a winner with Islam.  I personally haven't seen a lot of terrorist attacks from, say, Mormons.  Or JW's.  Or Baptists, even though they are annoying.  Islam knows terrorism, and terrorism knows Islam.

Nice work on getting the American connection, NSA.

You've forgotten about the millions of Native Americans slaughtered by Christians, and the Catholic priests who are still terrorizing children.

The rappers who fuse innocent gold and diamonds into horrific "bling"


Teenagers who text during the movie.
 
2013-09-23 12:21:10 AM

Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!


The Somali's here in Columbus appear to be actively attempting to destroy any semblance of order or community that the local black community has been fighting for for decades. It's really weird, and there is a tremendous amount of violence and just aggressive behavior between the Somali's and everyone else it seems.

I understand isolationist attitudes when you come from a farked up situation, but they are really aggro towards everyone here... to the point of throwing shiat (literally human feces) at your car at traffic lights to dissuade people from into "their area"

(I realize that sounds completely like some kind of super-racist propaganda BS thing to say, but I've actually seen them throw crap filled cloth diapers at "outsiders" (myself included) when I was sitting in a nearby strip mall parking lot waiting for an accident to get cleaned up so we could drive through the intersection.)
 
2013-09-23 12:23:49 AM
Feel free to keep 'em Kenya, and make their deaths the slow torture they richly deserve that they won't get over here.
 
2013-09-23 12:24:23 AM
Sorry for the apostrophe fail. Auto correct on the is being a biatch
 
2013-09-23 12:34:28 AM

Mrtraveler01: Paris1127: Minneapolis Star-Tribune isn't so sure.

FTA:

CNN reported Sunday that a Twitter site listing alleged attackers in the siege at a mall in Nairobi, Kenya, included the names of two Minnesotans, but the accuracy of the information was called into question.
Jason Straziuso, an Associated Press correspondent in East Africa, tweeted that the names were fake and had come from a bogus Twitter account.
CNN had said the list identified two of the alleged hostage-takers as Ahmed Mohamed Isse, 22, of  St. Paul, and Abdifatah Osman Keenadiid, 24, of Minneapolis. The names were among nine listed on a Twitter account that later was suspended, CNN reported.

That alone should've been a red flag to us.


We could use some independent confirmation. Maybe the New York Post?
pixel.nymag.com
 
2013-09-23 12:38:10 AM
I find the brand names on the Kenyan mall shelves to be far more interesting than all the shooting and pillaging and stuff.
 
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