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(Daily Mail)   If you had five American gunmen among terrorists to storm Nairobi mall, claim your prize. Wait, what?   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 180
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2013-09-22 08:59:27 PM  
That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?
 
2013-09-22 09:00:13 PM  
Five American gunmen involved?

Did an FBI "sting operation" get out of control, or what?
 
2013-09-22 09:02:07 PM  
Somalian terrorist group al Shabaab, which has links to al Qaeda, claimed responsibility for the attack which they live-blogged on Twitter


www.yiyinglu.com
 
2013-09-22 09:05:11 PM  
Stupid Fast and Furious 2: Furiouser
 
2013-09-22 09:12:35 PM  
I think Steve King was claiming up to 50

/he's sure not gonna win the pool that way
 
2013-09-22 09:16:56 PM  
That's some hard core terrorism.

It's a pity that these bastards will all likely die relatively quick and painless deaths.
 
2013-09-22 09:20:55 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians
 
2013-09-22 09:22:39 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
 
2013-09-22 09:22:43 PM  
This isn't surprising at all. Here's some background for those of you who are interested:

Al-Shabaab basically first came to anyone's attention in 2006, when it splintered away from a previous group called the Islamic Courts Union, which was one of the many groups fighting in the Somali Civil War, vying for control of the (essentially) lawless areas outside of Mogadishu in the southern and eastern parts of the country. They quickly came to power after overthrowing the ICU, and were at the height of their power in about 2009. At that time, they very consciously adopted a broad international recruitment strategy, positioning themselves to recruits abroad as not only the voice of Islam in Somalia, but the new frontier in the War on Terror. Before Shabaab came around, Al-Qaeda had essentially been ignoring the conflict for almost a decade, but Shabaab actively worked to link up with Al-Qaeda core and tried to have themselves branded as an Al-Qaeda(tm) organization. This coincided perfectly with the rise of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemeni Al-Qaeda offshoot that was just across the Red Sea from Somalia, making it possible to coordinate easily.

Thus, starting around 2007, Al-Shabaab sent recruiters overseas, to Somali communities across the world in London, Minneapolis, San Diego, Toronto, Sydney, and a number of other places. One man came to Minneapolis and set up shop there, recruiting for the conflict abroad among the disaffected refugees who had come to the United States as children and who didn't feel like they fit in. Because Al-Shabaab hadn't yet connected with Al-Qaeda, they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s. About 20 people left for Somalia from Minneapolis, which is a  massive number compared to the normal terror recruitment efforts in America.  There's a great piece on them that was done by the Minneapolis Public Radio, and highlights the first American woman to be a suicide bomber. Her story is very tragic. But Al-Shabaab essentially caught the FBI and the CIA completely with their pants down, because no one saw it coming and it took several years before people started to realize how successful (relative to other recruitment efforts, but still incredibly minor as a percentage of the total American Somali population) they had been at getting Americans to go fight abroad.

Al-Shabaab has been extremely successful in using the internet as well, and are one of the most tech-savvy jihadist groups out there. Omar Hammami, an Egyptian-American from the Atlanta area (I think), used to be their media guy and was a major Twitter user. They get on Twitter using internet cafes and their smart phones, or a number of other ways. They also use Youtube videos and forums to recruit people. Just last month they published a video celebrating the "Minnesota Martyrs", and are continuing to try to recruit in Minneapolis and in other hotbeds of the Somali diaspora. Similar waves of recruitment to what happened in Minneapolis occurred in Australia and in Toronto.

tl;dr version; It's sad, but not surprising, to see Americans involved in this.

/hope that helps people
//was a research analyst  for two yearson an academic project studying Islamic terrorism
 
2013-09-22 09:28:25 PM  
This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.
 
2013-09-22 09:29:36 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.


I should clarify, only those who have gone overseas.  If they're involved in terrorist actions on US soil, that should still be a matter for the police/FBI/DHS/insert-government-agency-here.
 
2013-09-22 09:34:29 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.


I like the word "treason".  Easy to say, long history, has a nice sound.  And if they weren't born here, charge this with taking the oath of citizenship under false pretenses as well (like the one Boston Marathon bomber)
 
2013-09-22 09:35:16 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: TuteTibiImperes: This is why I have no problem with drone strikes against US citizens involved in terrorist organizations.  While they aren't official soldiers in an enemy's armed forces, for all intents and purposes, they're enemy combatants in the war on terror.

I should clarify, only those who have gone overseas.  If they're involved in terrorist actions on US soil, that should still be a matter for the police/FBI/DHS/insert-government-agency-here.


Eh... Rand is cool with drone striking some guy they think might be robbing a convenience store
 
2013-09-22 09:37:21 PM  

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians



Who is?
 
2013-09-22 09:40:53 PM  
I got a sawbuck that Alex Jones calls it a false flag in under 36 hours of the announcement.

I know, no real bet.
 
2013-09-22 09:43:37 PM  
Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!
 
2013-09-22 09:48:16 PM  

Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!


Sure, and that's what the vast majority of Somalis in America did. But like any diaspora, you will find a percentage of the children who feel very disconnected to their new country, who are still deeply scarred by the loss of their homeland, and who feel as if they have had something  taken from them by the act of fleeing. And you can sell these people a view of reclaiming their country, of fighting with the righteous, and of regaining that sense of belonging in their homeland.

And when they arrive back in Somalia, they are treated like heroes for a little while, and write home (on Twitter) and tell everyone how great it is. Then they're thrust into the fighting and they're given an AK-47 and shoot at the Kenyan or Ethiopian peacekeeping forces and told they're striking a blow for their homeland. And then when they want to leave, some of them are allowed to go back and tell everyone how heroic it all is.

But if they disagree? Well.... Omar Hammami (Abu Mansur al-Amriki), who used to be big with the organization, now has a death sentence on his head from them, because he broke with them on a number of policy arguments.
 
2013-09-22 10:00:05 PM  
Religion of Peace!

cdn.breitbart.com
 
2013-09-22 10:02:47 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


No. This means Kenya will invade some country that let's Americans live there and manage things.
 
2013-09-22 10:02:53 PM  
So we're exporting our crazy gun nuts to other countries now?
 
2013-09-22 10:11:16 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


Actually, in my opinion, it's high time the United States got out of America!
 
2013-09-22 10:14:50 PM  

BravadoGT: Religion of Peace!


Can't believe it took someone this long to pull this retard card out
 
2013-09-22 10:15:14 PM  
Rightwing religious extremists: The same as the tea-party, but they don't shiat their pants when dear leader tells them to overthrow a mall or government.
 
2013-09-22 10:16:28 PM  

cman: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

There is a big difference: we aren't giving safe haven to those who purposefully target civilians


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles
 
2013-09-22 10:16:49 PM  

BravadoGT: Religion of Peace!

[cdn.breitbart.com image 475x356]


Why do you keep quoting Mr. Bush, the Lesser?
 
2013-09-22 10:16:59 PM  
I find it interesting that al Shabaab live-blogged the raid on Twitter.

Twitter truly is evil, then.

shut. Down. EVERYTHING
 
2013-09-22 10:17:48 PM  
Well, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.
 
2013-09-22 10:18:14 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


Well.....

Canadian diplomat Annemarie Desloges, 29 ... among the dead
 So Canada may be invading us soon.
 
2013-09-22 10:19:15 PM  
Yay multiculturalism !
 
2013-09-22 10:20:45 PM  
How did that lady get in the vent to hide?
 
2013-09-22 10:20:46 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.
 
2013-09-22 10:22:40 PM  
If only the liberal Kenyan government didn't prevent their populace from carrying military weapons, these people would have been able to fight back and prevent this happening.
 
2013-09-22 10:24:14 PM  

Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.


well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch
 
2013-09-22 10:24:49 PM  

Amos Quito: Rincewind53:

Great post, but...

"they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s."

If I were a Somali ex pat living legally in the US, I would be down on my knees every day THANKING GOD for WHATEVER caused my parents to "flee" that shiathole.

Amen!


1) You've never been to the Crack Stacks. 2) They (the kids) don't realize how bad it was there. They just see a bunch of people who have it way better than they do, who pick on their culture and religion, and expect to be thanked for letting them live here.
 
2013-09-22 10:25:18 PM  
I had three Belgians with knives among a group of dwarfs drinking in a Circle K parking lot.
I never win this game.
 
2013-09-22 10:27:43 PM  
I knew it!

Where's my prize?

I did the math:

Pearl Harbor - Us Govt.
Oklahoma Bombing - McVeigh (American)
911 - US govt
Chernobyl Nuclear disaster - American industrial espionage
Fukushima Nuclear disaser - Payback for Pearl Harbour American industrial espionage
That Manning guy - American
The Snowden guy - American
Somalia - George Clooney - American
Twerking - Miley Cyrus - American

Obviously, Americans have their sausage fingers deep in the world's political and economic pie.
Nigeria - American Shopping Mall copyright infringement.
 
2013-09-22 10:28:15 PM  
Are they "Americans" or are they some skinnys we foolishly gave citizenship to?
 
2013-09-22 10:28:34 PM  
This fact seeking mission to find Obama's birth certificate got out of hand.
 
2013-09-22 10:30:51 PM  
Is there anyone here that isn't trolling?
 
2013-09-22 10:32:04 PM  

I_C_Weener: Stupid Fast and Furious 2: Furiouser


Ah, yes.   So AG Eric Holder was either directly or indirectly involved in some capacity.  Why should we be surprised?
 
2013-09-22 10:33:50 PM  

GungFu: I knew it!

Where's my prize?

I did the math:

Pearl Harbor - Us Govt.
Oklahoma Bombing - McVeigh (American)
911 - US govt
Chernobyl Nuclear disaster - American industrial espionage
Fukushima Nuclear disaser - Payback for Pearl Harbour American industrial espionage
That Manning guy - American
The Snowden guy - American
Somalia - George Clooney - American
Twerking - Miley Cyrus - American

Obviously, Americans have their sausage fingers deep in the world's political and economic pie.
Nigeria - American Shopping Mall copyright infringement.



Look, I admit the Giants are looking terrible this year, but you can't blame it all on Eli.
 
2013-09-22 10:36:09 PM  

skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch


So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?
 
2013-09-22 10:37:20 PM  
Maybe they wanted to visit Obama's homeland?
 
2013-09-22 10:38:38 PM  

skinink: How did that lady get in the vent to hide?


It's amazing what one can do when you know someone else is intent on putting a bullet in you.
 
2013-09-22 10:39:12 PM  

Rincewind53: This isn't surprising at all. Here's some background for those of you who are interested:

Al-Shabaab basically first came to anyone's attention in 2006, when it splintered away from a previous group called the Islamic Courts Union, which was one of the many groups fighting in the Somali Civil War, vying for control of the (essentially) lawless areas outside of Mogadishu in the southern and eastern parts of the country. They quickly came to power after overthrowing the ICU, and were at the height of their power in about 2009. At that time, they very consciously adopted a broad international recruitment strategy, positioning themselves to recruits abroad as not only the voice of Islam in Somalia, but the new frontier in the War on Terror. Before Shabaab came around, Al-Qaeda had essentially been ignoring the conflict for almost a decade, but Shabaab actively worked to link up with Al-Qaeda core and tried to have themselves branded as an Al-Qaeda(tm) organization. This coincided perfectly with the rise of Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the Yemeni Al-Qaeda offshoot that was just across the Red Sea from Somalia, making it possible to coordinate easily.

Thus, starting around 2007, Al-Shabaab sent recruiters overseas, to Somali communities across the world in London, Minneapolis, San Diego, Toronto, Sydney, and a number of other places. One man came to Minneapolis and set up shop there, recruiting for the conflict abroad among the disaffected refugees who had come to the United States as children and who didn't feel like they fit in. Because Al-Shabaab hadn't yet connected with Al-Qaeda, they were shockingly successful at essentially selling a vision to these teenagers of righteous warfare against the puppet government that had caused their parents to flee in the '90s. About 20 people left for Somalia from Minneapolis, which is a  massive number compared to the normal terror recruitment efforts in America.  There's a great piece on them that was done by the Minneapol ...


So this is real, this religious war?
Boy are they gonna be mad when they find me.
/Fiercely agnostic. Would grab nearest available weapon and use it - gun to my head or not. Innocent people are innocent people. You want to kill some asshole politicians, then good luck. But to be killing kids and hurting folks who don't even know what's going on? Well that is a different game altogether.

BUT, READ THE OLD TESTAMENT. These things are what God allegedly commanded.

Friggin sad all around. Would love to be able to cause great harm to any one of the A**holes who needlessly killed another person.
 
2013-09-22 10:39:14 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?


It depends. Do we got any oil?
 
2013-09-22 10:39:21 PM  
Alex Jones just jizzed all over himself.
 
2013-09-22 10:39:50 PM  

Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch

So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?


pretty sure he was referring to Afghanistan.
 
2013-09-22 10:42:53 PM  

skullkrusher: Arkanaut: skullkrusher: Arkanaut: OtherBrotherDarryl: That means were going to invade ourselves now, right?

Or, following GWOT logic, we're going to have to invade Australia.

well, if you're gonna invade someone, it makes a helluva lot more sense to invade the place that harbored their leader and abetted their plans than the place where their mom shat them out her cooch

So... how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were Iraqis again?

pretty sure he was referring to Afghanistan.


Yes but I was referring to Iraq.
 
2013-09-22 10:44:55 PM  

mrlewish: skinink: How did that lady get in the vent to hide?

It's amazing what one can do when you know someone else is intent on putting a bullet in you.


This is true. I managed to brake, gas, brake, gas and shift a Toyota Celica out of a T style intersection while being shot at by a guy with a big ass revolver. Sucked to be him when he decided to hop back in his car and chase me all the way to buck road and arcata lane when I got to run back out of the house with an M1 and my buddy with a .44

No one died. But he and his wife got deported...
 
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