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2013-09-22 01:11:29 PM  
This has been on the label for at least the last 40 years.
 
2013-09-22 01:11:50 PM  
Don't clik, IT IS A TRAP.
USE the Force, Luke.
 
2013-09-22 01:21:45 PM  
"Latest?" Accidental overdoses are the most common cause of liver failure, even more than alcoholism. Did Rick Romero's intern get a job?
 
2013-09-22 01:27:52 PM  
Well someone hasn't been paying attention for the last couple decades.
 
2013-09-22 01:30:57 PM  
This chit's bad for you.
Do not use.
 
2013-09-22 01:53:20 PM  

Ambivalence: Well someone hasn't been paying attention for the last couple decades.


Pretty dang much. When folks try to trip on Robitussin DM, they are looking to get the Dextromethorphan effect, unfortunately they often overlook that they're overdosing on acetaminophen, which does some nasty things to the liver in large doses. It's not a blood thinner like ibuprofen, which is nice for folks like myself who are already taking a blood thinner--go go Gadget Hubie with his mechanical heart valve--but you can't pop the suckers like they're Pez, because they will do bad things to the liver. And that is an organ that you do NOT want to piss off. The liver is still relatively hardy for an organ--unlike say, the pancreas which is the whiney little bi*ch of organs--but scarring it up and doing damage to it will still lead to a somewhat painful and messy end.
 
2013-09-22 01:57:58 PM  
And a big shout out to the Nannys that are including acetaminophen in everything "for your own good" to retard deliberate overuse.

Our motto is "We kill the hell out of you for wanting to feel "extra good".
 
2013-09-22 03:02:33 PM  
The fact that submitter doesn't know how dangerous it is illustrates how the labels need to change.
 
2013-09-22 03:14:33 PM  
The problem is people don't always realize that acetaminophen is in nearly farking everything these days. So you feel like shiat, take a couple of Tylenol, and then take some cold medicine, and boom, you've had too much.
 
2013-09-22 03:18:22 PM  

flucto: The fact that submitter doesn't know how dangerous it is illustrates how the labels need to change.


Change the MEDIA.
Who reads farking labels?
They are already 5 pages long in 2pt Helvetica.
 
2013-09-22 03:24:08 PM  

snocone: 2pt Helvetica.


I didn't realize it was that large
 
2013-09-22 03:27:09 PM  

Dufus: snocone: 2pt Helvetica.

I didn't realize it was that large


I am a senior, I order the large print.
 
2013-09-22 03:29:15 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Alle Ding' sind Gift, und nichts ohn' Gift; allein die Dosis macht, daß ein Ding kein Gift ist.


/All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; only the dose permits something not to be poisonous.
 
2013-09-22 03:29:19 PM  
I timed it.
The last TV ad for a biological direct sales attempt to the public, 20 sec ad. 8 sec of Wonderful and 12 sec of It Might Kill You, all set to wonderful music and videography.
 
2013-09-22 03:30:18 PM  

Donnchadha: [upload.wikimedia.org image 225x300]

Alle Ding' sind Gift, und nichts ohn' Gift; allein die Dosis macht, daß ein Ding kein Gift ist.


/All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; only the dose permits something not to be poisonous.


Except pot.
 
2013-09-22 03:32:44 PM  
That should mean something.

But, it just keeps Slip Sliding Away
 
2013-09-22 03:42:53 PM  

hubiestubert: Ambivalence: Well someone hasn't been paying attention for the last couple decades.

Pretty dang much. When folks try to trip on Robitussin DM, they are looking to get the Dextromethorphan effect, unfortunately they often overlook that they're overdosing on acetaminophen, which does some nasty things to the liver in large doses. It's not a blood thinner like ibuprofen, which is nice for folks like myself who are already taking a blood thinner--go go Gadget Hubie with his mechanical heart valve--but you can't pop the suckers like they're Pez, because they will do bad things to the liver. And that is an organ that you do NOT want to piss off. The liver is still relatively hardy for an organ--unlike say, the pancreas which is the whiney little bi*ch of organs--but scarring it up and doing damage to it will still lead to a somewhat painful and messy end.


Listen to the warnings for just about EVERY drug on TV -- "See your doctor if you develop bruises, yellow eyes, uncontrolled bleeding, swelling of ankles, etc..." -- all signs of liver problems. Just about everything on the market from NSAIDS, to statins, to tricyclic antidepressants, is hepatotoxic if your liver and other organs are not at 90% or better. I turned orange and almost died because of Effexor (went into a coma, and everything). Acetaminophen is just one of a boatload of drugs that will ruin the liver. Hell, alcohol is nothing compared to what Prozac would do to me.
 
2013-09-22 04:46:13 PM  
More deaths are being reported because Master Pharma is deliberately mixing more acetaminophen of it with morphine/codeine based drugs, to discourage people from abusing pain meds. They figure, let them die, they're junkies anyway. 'That's what they get'. It's like police tasing and killing people on drugs instead of restraining them. "Well, they wouldn't have died if they weren't on drugs".

They don't realize the people dying are also those who under a doctors care to begin with. Who have legitimate prescriptions for pain medication.
 
2013-09-22 04:50:09 PM  

Godscrack: More deaths are being reported because Master Pharma is deliberately mixing more acetaminophen of it with morphine/codeine based drugs, to discourage people from abusing pain meds. They figure, let them die, they're junkies anyway. 'That's what they get'. It's like police tasing and killing people on drugs instead of restraining them. "Well, they wouldn't have died if they weren't on drugs".

They don't realize the people dying are also those who under a doctors care to begin with. Who have legitimate prescriptions for pain medication.


Just try and get an opiate prescription from a legitimate source these days w/o acetaminophen.
Go ahead, TRY, LEGITIMATE.
Rush is not sharing.
 
2013-09-22 04:50:52 PM  

Godscrack: More deaths are being reported because Master Pharma is deliberately mixing more acetaminophen of it with morphine/codeine based drugs, to discourage people from abusing pain meds. They figure, let them die, they're junkies anyway. 'That's what they get'. It's like police tasing and killing people on drugs instead of restraining them. "Well, they wouldn't have died if they weren't on drugs".

They don't realize the people dying are also those who under a doctors care to begin with. Who have legitimate prescriptions for pain medication.


Sure they do. And it is very PROFITABLE.
 
2013-09-22 04:57:49 PM  
The time has come, gentlemen to draw some conclusions from obvious similarities.
The world oil production is consumed each year.
The world opium production is consumed each year.
Oil is fungible.
Opium is fungible.
The oil business is strictly owned and controlled by families w/o regard for national naming conventions.
The opium trade is strictly owned and controlled by dynasties centuries old.
Wars are constantly in action over oil.
Wars are constantly(for millennia) in action over opium.
The USA is the largest exporter of finished oil products in the world, thus the largest importer.

Jus' a sec, the door
 
2013-09-22 04:57:55 PM  
As a reminder, you cannot overdose on cannabis.  Why shouldn't you be able to try it as part of a treatment?
 
2013-09-22 05:02:53 PM  
tylenol is crap.  can fark up your liver, especially if you drink alcohol with it.  go with Ibuprofen or aspirin.  and ibuprofen is an anti inflamatory.  tylenol is not.
 
2013-09-22 05:03:44 PM  

jonasborg: As a reminder, you cannot overdose on cannabis.  Why shouldn't you be able to try it as part of a treatment?


Because, The Law.
Now go away.
You're gonna get politicians in trouble.
 
2013-09-22 05:04:09 PM  

snocone: Donnchadha: [upload.wikimedia.org image 225x300]

Alle Ding' sind Gift, und nichts ohn' Gift; allein die Dosis macht, daß ein Ding kein Gift ist.


/All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; only the dose permits something not to be poisonous.

Except pot.



just remember.   this is America.  all drugs are harmless.
 
2013-09-22 05:04:43 PM  

Linux_Yes: tylenol is crap.  can fark up your liver, especially if you drink alcohol with it.  go with Ibuprofen or aspirin.  and ibuprofen is an anti inflamatory.  tylenol is not.


And if you have a gastric ulcer, from what, modern life or some such?, FARK YOU.
 
2013-09-22 05:05:15 PM  
Just like mercury in alcohol, tylenol in scehdule 3 painkillers is designed to harm the user.

hippocratic oath my ASS!
 
2013-09-22 05:06:01 PM  

snocone: jonasborg: As a reminder, you cannot overdose on cannabis.  Why shouldn't you be able to try it as part of a treatment?

Because, The Law.
Now go away.
You're gonna get politicians in trouble.



what are you going to do when you find yourself 'treating' yourself every day and becoming a layabout bum?

you'll become a pothead.  kewl man!
 
2013-09-22 05:06:41 PM  
snocone: This chit's bad for you.
Do not use.
 
2013-09-22 05:06:52 PM  

Linux_Yes: snocone: jonasborg: As a reminder, you cannot overdose on cannabis.  Why shouldn't you be able to try it as part of a treatment?

Because, The Law.
Now go away.
You're gonna get politicians in trouble.


what are you going to do when you find yourself 'treating' yourself every day and becoming a layabout bum?

you'll become a pothead.  kewl man!


Are You Experienced?
 
2013-09-22 05:07:30 PM  

phenn: snocone: This chit's bad for you.
Do not use.


When I do that, I get derped.
 
2013-09-22 05:07:53 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com


Stay tuned when I reveal that water is wet
 
2013-09-22 05:07:58 PM  

snocone: Linux_Yes: tylenol is crap.  can fark up your liver, especially if you drink alcohol with it.  go with Ibuprofen or aspirin.  and ibuprofen is an anti inflamatory.  tylenol is not.

And if you have a gastric ulcer, from what, modern life or some such?, FARK YOU.



aspirin has its downside.  they have buffered aspirin too, ya' know.   but tylenol is a known problem for the liver.  and folks who have drunk just a little alcohol while taking tylenol have permanently farked up their livers. do some googling on it.

i don't touch that crap.
 
2013-09-22 05:08:17 PM  
My doc told me to not take it. (I have chronic pain issues). 20 year ago. He said it's akin to putting ground-up glass into your blood stream as it doesn't break down and dissolve completely and then the liver has to filter the crap out.
 
2013-09-22 05:08:50 PM  
Pot threads are much more timey and edgy that acetaminophen threads anyway.
 
2013-09-22 05:09:48 PM  
So Romero is just submitting links directly now?

I suppose its more efficient that way.....
 
2013-09-22 05:10:31 PM  
So Tylenol killed more Americans last year than terrorism. Yet I still have to get TSA-raped everytime I want to fly to Chicago to see my grandmother.

Perspective. It's not just for art museums.
 
2013-09-22 05:10:37 PM  

sobriquet by any other name: Just like mercury in alcohol, tylenol in scehdule 3 painkillers is designed to harm the user.

hippocratic oath my ASS!


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-22 05:10:42 PM  

namegoeshere: The problem is people don't always realize that acetaminophen is in nearly farking everything these days. So you feel like shiat, take a couple of Tylenol, and then take some cold medicine, and boom, you've had too much.



that is not an accident, btw.   those tylenol farks have been in the drug game so long that they have pushed that shiat in other products very successfully.

its called the capitalist system.  we're a company and our only goal is profit.  so here, put this shiat in your medicine or else we'll go to capital hill on it.
 
2013-09-22 05:11:14 PM  

Linux_Yes: aspirin has its downside.  they have buffered aspirin too, ya' know.   but tylenol is a known problem for the liver.  and folks who have drunk just a little alcohol while taking tylenol have permanently farked up their livers. do some googling on it.

i don't touch that crap.


Acute tylenol intoxication does not start damaging the liver until you take 150mg/kg to 200mg/kg. The danger is much more in people who use combination drugs, like Lortab and Oxycontin - who take chronically high doses of tylenol and deplete glutathione chronically. Or alcoholics.

It's not impossible to do, but if you're taking regular doses according to the label instructions and don't have other liver issues, you're perfectly safe doing so.

Asprin is a BAD thing in kids without Kawasaki syndrome or a need for anti-platelet medications. Using it for fever control can cause Reye's Syndrome, which fries your liver.

Ibuprofin in pediatrics that are dehydrated can precipitate renal failure.
 
2013-09-22 05:11:45 PM  
So how much is too much? I know people who will take three Tylenol instead of 2 at a time
 
2013-09-22 05:11:51 PM  
you'd be safer sticking tylenol up your ass than down your throat.
 
2013-09-22 05:12:03 PM  

exarch: So Romero is just submitting links directly now?

I suppose its more efficient that way.....


Middle management is too expensive.
Gotta Newspeak.
 
2013-09-22 05:12:47 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: hubiestubert: Ambivalence: Well someone hasn't been paying attention for the last couple decades.

Pretty dang much. When folks try to trip on Robitussin DM, they are looking to get the Dextromethorphan effect, unfortunately they often overlook that they're overdosing on acetaminophen, which does some nasty things to the liver in large doses. It's not a blood thinner like ibuprofen, which is nice for folks like myself who are already taking a blood thinner--go go Gadget Hubie with his mechanical heart valve--but you can't pop the suckers like they're Pez, because they will do bad things to the liver. And that is an organ that you do NOT want to piss off. The liver is still relatively hardy for an organ--unlike say, the pancreas which is the whiney little bi*ch of organs--but scarring it up and doing damage to it will still lead to a somewhat painful and messy end.

Listen to the warnings for just about EVERY drug on TV -- "See your doctor if you develop bruises, yellow eyes, uncontrolled bleeding, swelling of ankles, etc..." -- all signs of liver problems. Just about everything on the market from NSAIDS, to statins, to tricyclic antidepressants, is hepatotoxic if your liver and other organs are not at 90% or better. I turned orange and almost died because of Effexor (went into a coma, and everything). Acetaminophen is just one of a boatload of drugs that will ruin the liver. Hell, alcohol is nothing compared to what Prozac would do to me.


Tell us more about Effexor.
 
2013-09-22 05:12:51 PM  
Ahem. The adult toxicity level is 7.5g to 10g acute ingestion.
 
2013-09-22 05:13:35 PM  

indarwinsshadow: sobriquet by any other name: Just like mercury in alcohol, tylenol in scehdule 3 painkillers is designed to harm the user.

hippocratic oath my ASS!

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x143]


Do you like your nice job?
Big car, fine house, nice wife?
Would be a shame if anything were to happen to your career,,,
 
2013-09-22 05:14:19 PM  

indarwinsshadow: sobriquet by any other name: Just like mercury in alcohol, tylenol in scehdule 3 painkillers is designed to harm the user.

hippocratic oath my ASS!

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 320x143]


What's not to understand? The only reason tylenol is in oxycodone, hydrocodone, etc, is to present real harm to a user that tries to take too much.

What do you think is worse? A opiate addiction (easily managed) or a blown liver?

Take your "not sure if serious" and get serious, son, this is large-scale tragedy-in-progress
 
2013-09-22 05:14:31 PM  

hardinparamedic: Ahem. The adult toxicity level is 7.5g to 10g acute ingestion.


Let's hear it for the studies of 4grams daily for a few years,,,
 
2013-09-22 05:14:44 PM  

snocone: And a big shout out to the Nannys that are including acetaminophen in everything "for your own good" to retard deliberate overuse.

Our motto is "We kill the hell out of you for wanting to feel "extra good".



yep.   those jerk offs put tylenol in hydrocodone pills (pain pills that you can get a buzz from) so people won't take them to get high.  instead they'll get liver failure.  i'm not into taking pills to get high, but at the same time i'm not going to ruin someone's liver to make a point.

well done, America.  you are one class act.
 
2013-09-22 05:15:16 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Listen to the warnings for just about EVERY drug on TV -- "See your doctor if you develop bruises, yellow eyes, uncontrolled bleeding, swelling of ankles, etc..." -- all signs of liver problems. Just about everything on the market from NSAIDS, to statins, to tricyclic antidepressants, is hepatotoxic if your liver and other organs are not at 90% or better. I turned orange and almost died because of Effexor (went into a coma, and everything). Acetaminophen is just one of a boatload of drugs that will ruin the liver. Hell, alcohol is nothing compared to what Prozac would do to me.


Imagine that. Drugs have side effects. You also realize that, no matter how rare the complication or side effect was, they HAVE to list it according to the laws that regulate the pharmaceutical industry in the United States.

Also, the liver first-pass metabolizes almost everything you get. Although Tricyclics are far more cardiotoxic than hepatotoxic because of their sodium channel blockade.

One in 20,000 people will have a malignant hyperthermia reaction from psychiatric drugs. They still have to list it.
 
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