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2013-09-22 01:59:08 PM  
As a Buddhist, I do find that I like this Pope more and more. He is an anodyne that the Catholic Church has needed for some time. It doesn't reverse many of the long held positions of the church, or its leadership, but he is using the position to at least address and lead the Church towards the core of its teachings.
 
2013-09-22 02:46:22 PM  
While I do like this new pope more than his predecessors, I still feel that this is obligatory.

/NSFW language
 
2013-09-22 03:07:06 PM  
He told the cheering crowd that he had no coming to be a "cordial manager of the Church who comes here and says to you 'have courage'."

"I don't want this. I want this courage to come from inside me and push me to do everything I can as a pastor and a man."


While I like this sentiment, and his willingness to say what he thinks, I hold no hope for actual change in the Catholic Church.  He's saying the same things that have been in the Catholic Catechism for a very long time, just saying them differently.  It's not like the dignity of labor has been greatly benefited from this in the last 100 years.
 
2013-09-22 03:30:23 PM  
Jesus Christ how many times is the article going to use the same goddamn quote? It's bad enough when the title, subtitle, first paragraph, and main picture caption are all the same goddamn sentence, not this is just ridiculous.
 
2013-09-22 03:51:22 PM  

hubiestubert: As a Buddhist, I do find that I like this Pope more and more. He is an anodyne that the Catholic Church has needed for some time. It doesn't reverse many of the long held positions of the church, or its leadership, but he is using the position to at least address and lead the Church towards the core of its teachings.


As a red letter Christian Buddhist agnostic (don't ask me to explain that, it's complicated), I couldn't agree more.  Nobody thought a Pope was about to come along and turn the Catholic church  into liberal institution, but baby steps are still steps.
 
2013-09-22 04:19:14 PM  
Pope Francis is the leader that the Catholic Church has needed for a long while
 
2013-09-22 04:21:22 PM  
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Hehehe. I get it.
 
2013-09-22 04:22:05 PM  
Remember when whatsherface ripped up a pic of the pope on SNL? What a long way we have come.
 
2013-09-22 04:22:38 PM  
I like the current pope but this is really nothing new - John Paul II was pretty clear he wasn't terribly keen on capitalism either (he clearly disliked communism even more).
 
2013-09-22 04:22:47 PM  
Meh, the church has railed against greed for a long time from their gilded pulpits.
 
2013-09-22 04:25:13 PM  
Poisoned or assassinated by' IslamoFascists' in the near future?
 
2013-09-22 04:25:21 PM  
Jesus said, "No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money." (Matthew 6:24)

I consider both to be wise men. We are the fools.
 
2013-09-22 04:25:39 PM  
GO! POPE! GO!
 
2013-09-22 04:26:09 PM  
Next week, he's gonna say the church should have taken action during the Holocaust.

I love how the church is slowly changing their views on everything. Now that the damage has been done.
 
2013-09-22 04:27:04 PM  
Maybe we can convince him to declare a Crusade against Wall Street.
 
2013-09-22 04:27:28 PM  
The catholic church is full of pedophiles who have destroyed many a young life. but this new Atheist pope is pretty decent and hopefully his ways will spread through the bastard priests(Doubt it).

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2013-09-22 04:27:31 PM  
Does this mean they can stop asking for the 10% of your salary yearly?  Or is that too much?
 
2013-09-22 04:27:40 PM  
Is that headline some sort of koan?
 
2013-09-22 04:28:20 PM  

Godscrack: Next week, he's gonna say the church should have taken action during the Holocaust.

I love how the church is slowly changing their views on everything. Now that the damage has been done.


Next thing you know, America will do a complete reversal from 1988 and say that Chemical Weapons use is a bad thing.
 
2013-09-22 04:28:28 PM  

haolegirl: Remember when whatsherface ripped up a pic of the pope on SNL? What a long way we have come.


You're thinking of Gilda Radner, Art Garfunkel's first wife.
 
2013-09-22 04:29:22 PM  
Sounds like he's bad-mouthing Bankster ideology.

/Ballsy
 
2013-09-22 04:36:41 PM  
JasonOfOrillia: Meh, the church has railed against greed for a long time from their gilded pulpits.


There are small parts of the church that do put their money where their mouth is.  They're the pro-union/labor and social justice element that the Vatican gets sort of uncomfortable around.
 
2013-09-22 04:38:39 PM  

Hector Remarkable: haolegirl: Remember when whatsherface ripped up a pic of the pope on SNL? What a long way we have come.

You're thinking of Gilda Radner, Art Garfunkel's first wife.


and that's the truthpthpthpthpthhhh...
 
2013-09-22 04:39:21 PM  
A Pope who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ, rather than those of the catholic orthodoxy. This should be interesting.

/ fetches popcorn and communion wafers
 
2013-09-22 04:39:37 PM  
It's about time he admitted it, kinda.
 
2013-09-22 04:49:31 PM  
Nice to see a Pontifex decrying the worshippers of Mamon. Too bad the U.S. evangelicals will continue to preach "Prosperity Gospel" to their blind followers till it all burns to the ground. Because that's what gets pieces of silver in the collection plates.
 
2013-09-22 04:53:55 PM  
I like the cut of his jib.
 
2013-09-22 04:55:18 PM  
The head of the Catholic church admonishing people for worshipping money is like the CEO of McDonald's admonishing people for eating poorly. What an utter hypocrite.
 
2013-09-22 04:58:29 PM  

Hoban Washburne: While I do like this new pope more than his predecessors, I still feel that this is obligatory.

/NSFW language


I know she probably thinks there's a market for everything, but supply and demand would probably value the Vatican at less than people think, cuz who's going to buy it even if you chopped it up into it's valuable parts and what would that huge influx of said parts do to the commodities markets that they would be sold on?
 
2013-09-22 04:59:49 PM  
He'll say the obligatory "Abortion bad. No women priests." talk that will tune out the liberals looking for an instant turnaround, but he'd be considered a RINO if the Republicans/Tea Party ran the Catholic Church.
 
2013-09-22 05:04:37 PM  
I never thought I'd say this, but there's a lot to like about this pope.
 
2013-09-22 05:06:42 PM  
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GOD BLESS YOU, POPE CAPTAIN HINDSIGHT! GOD BLESS YOU!
 
2013-09-22 05:09:17 PM  

Mercutio74: I never thought I'd say this, but there's a lot to like about this pope.


I don't understand this sentiment. He's the head of an anti-abortion, anti-birth control, misogynistic organization that has actively protected sex abusers and rapists. Is everyone going to fall in love with him because he says nice things while his church works to prevent the use of condoms in Africa?
 
2013-09-22 05:15:14 PM  
Either that or he's Trent Reznor
 
2013-09-22 05:16:30 PM  

Cyclometh: Mercutio74: I never thought I'd say this, but there's a lot to like about this pope.

I don't understand this sentiment. He's the head of an anti-abortion, anti-birth control, misogynistic organization that has actively protected sex abusers and rapists. Is everyone going to fall in love with him because he says nice things while his church works to prevent the use of condoms in Africa?


His predecessor was literally evil.  He's a huge improvement.

I'm not saying I'm going to convert to Catholicism... because there's a lot about the church's belief system and way of operating that's abhorrent to me, but as popes go... he's the best of the bunch since I've been alive (which isn't saying much).

He's kinda like the Obamacare of the Catholic church.  There are much better ways to go about things, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
 
2013-09-22 05:19:31 PM  
No subby, he is just more Catholic than a lot of his predecessors. Unfortunately the Catholic Church is riddled with corruption, a single man cannot change it in his lifetime but he can try to lead his flock in the right direction.
 
2013-09-22 05:20:12 PM  

Cyclometh: Mercutio74: I never thought I'd say this, but there's a lot to like about this pope.

I don't understand this sentiment. He's the head of an anti-abortion, anti-birth control, misogynistic organization that has actively protected sex abusers and rapists. Is everyone going to fall in love with him because he says nice things while his church works to prevent the use of condoms in Africa?


Even the slightest change of tack by the head of the Catholic Church has huge ramifications. Like steering a ship, a small adjustment eventually can equal a major course change. I have always hated macro-level organized religion, but seeing the head of one of the oldest pyramid schemes on Earth changing the official dogma even a small amount towards more liberal beliefs gives me a sliver of hope.
 
2013-09-22 05:20:56 PM  
Vatican 3?
 
2013-09-22 05:24:21 PM  

Cyclometh: Mercutio74: I never thought I'd say this, but there's a lot to like about this pope.

I don't understand this sentiment. He's the head of an anti-abortion, anti-birth control, misogynistic organization that has actively protected sex abusers and rapists. Is everyone going to fall in love with him because he says nice things while his church works to prevent the use of condoms in Africa?




Yes, and Mikhail Gorbachev was head of an organisation that sent its enemies to die in Siberian gulags. Nelson Mandela was made head of organisation that instigated apartheid. And Harry Truman, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan an Barack Obama was head of an organisation that gave syphilis infected blankets to Native Americans.
 
2013-09-22 05:26:42 PM  
I'm still waiting for the stern warning about priests boinking small boys. Only been yet ANOTHER article recently.

C'mon, Francis. Explain it with small words so they understand.
 
2013-09-22 05:27:36 PM  

Cyclometh: Mercutio74: I never thought I'd say this, but there's a lot to like about this pope.

I don't understand this sentiment. He's the head of an anti-abortion, anti-birth control, misogynistic organization that has actively protected sex abusers and rapists. Is everyone going to fall in love with him because he says nice things while his church works to prevent the use of condoms in Africa?


He just became head of the organization, and has already said that harping on about abortion, birth control, and gays is the wrong path when the church should be focusing on poverty and education. It's a small but good start toward fixing the church. I'm hopeful he will be the one to finally clear out the child abusers and the people who protected them.
 
2013-09-22 05:30:14 PM  

gwowen: Cyclometh: Mercutio74: I never thought I'd say this, but there's a lot to like about this pope.

I don't understand this sentiment. He's the head of an anti-abortion, anti-birth control, misogynistic organization that has actively protected sex abusers and rapists. Is everyone going to fall in love with him because he says nice things while his church works to prevent the use of condoms in Africa?

Yes, and Mikhail Gorbachev was head of an organisation that sent its enemies to die in Siberian gulags. Nelson Mandela was made head of organisation that instigated apartheid. And Harry Truman, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan an Barack Obama was head of an organisation that gave syphilis infected blankets to Native Americans.


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2013-09-22 05:35:39 PM  

gwowen: Cyclometh: Mercutio74: I never thought I'd say this, but there's a lot to like about this pope.

I don't understand this sentiment. He's the head of an anti-abortion, anti-birth control, misogynistic organization that has actively protected sex abusers and rapists. Is everyone going to fall in love with him because he says nice things while his church works to prevent the use of condoms in Africa?

Yes, and Mikhail Gorbachev was head of an organisation that sent its enemies to die in Siberian gulags. Nelson Mandela was made head of organisation that instigated apartheid. And Harry Truman, Abraham Lincoln, Ronald Reagan an Barack Obama was head of an organisation that gave syphilis infected blankets to Native Americans.


Not true, but we did decimate the Native American people and fraudulently treated of black men with syphillis at Tuskegee.
 
2013-09-22 05:45:03 PM  
So he soften his stance about gays, abortion and birth control, kinda a more of a "live and let live" attitude instead constant condemnation, and now goes back to the days of "money is root of the all evil".

I think it's time to add Pope Francis to the LOPCATGOPATA
 
2013-09-22 05:46:05 PM  
Aaaaaand I don't like the new Pope any more.

The world needs more industrialization (which lowers population growth and raises standards of living) and more productivity (so that workers can have better lives and more personal time), not less. Money is what it needed to achieve these things; rather than raise barriers to investment, they should be broken.

I don't know anyone who treats money as an "idol" or "god," but given that it's the tool with which all good in the world is accomplished, it's far more worthy of "worship" than phony gods, arbitrary moralities, or ceremonial flapdoodle.

Also, reading a screed against wealth coming from the goddamn Vatican is sort of like listening to a Microsoft executive complaining about reliance on technology.
 
2013-09-22 05:49:47 PM  
America's Prosperity Gospel heretics will just take this as another reason to demonize Catholicism.
 
2013-09-22 05:51:40 PM  
How did this get greened, but his quote from the other day(something to the effect of "less dogma, more love") not?
 
2013-09-22 05:56:45 PM  
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2013-09-22 05:57:01 PM  

generallyso: America's Prosperity Gospel heretics will just take this as another reason to demonize Catholicism.


As if they needed more reasons.
 
2013-09-22 05:58:09 PM  

Lernaeus: Aaaaaand I don't like the new Pope any more.

The world needs more industrialization (which lowers population growth and raises standards of living) and more productivity (so that workers can have better lives and more personal time), not less. Money is what it needed to achieve these things; rather than raise barriers to investment, they should be broken.

I don't know anyone who treats money as an "idol" or "god," but given that it's the tool with which all good in the world is accomplished, it's far more worthy of "worship" than phony gods, arbitrary moralities, or ceremonial flapdoodle.

Also, reading a screed against wealth coming from the goddamn Vatican is sort of like listening to a Microsoft executive complaining about reliance on technology.


So, you got an anti-industrial message out of this, as opposed to a moderation of a culture of greed that dominates in not just Italy and Europe? That's an interesting way to look at the speech. Says a bit of what you were looking for, I suppose...
 
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