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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Pilot makes emergency landing on Lake Shore Drive at Grant Park in Chicago. "Two vehicles struck the aircraft's left wing after he landed but drove off"   (suntimes.com) divider line 99
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2013-09-22 04:55:30 PM

lohphat: I said it was for his development cronies. Parks or buildings isn't the issue


Your dodge is transparent. Give it up. As I wrote before, dishonesty isn't something to be proud of. Don't double down. Just stop.
 
2013-09-22 05:02:47 PM
The Daley family might be corrupt as hell and shortsighted in some areas (I will never forgive Jr. for selling the parking meters), but they were a hell of a lot better for Chicago than Emmanuel.  He's running that city into the ground.  While some of it is out of his control (bad world economy), most of his actions are that of a typical corrupt IL politician without the side benefits.  At least Daley Jr. revitalized the city.  Emmanuel seems to be actively trying to run it into the ground.  Don't get me wrong, Chicago is still a nice city (despite what we read in the headlines), but there have been some very significant decisions made that I think will have negative consequences in the future (like shutting down all those schools and appointing incompetent people to positions they have no qualifications for).  I'm just glad I no longer live there.
 
2013-09-22 05:04:50 PM

jaytkay: Your dodge is transparent. Give it up. As I wrote before, dishonesty isn't something to be proud of. Don't double down. Just stop.


Problem solved.

/ignored.
 
2013-09-22 05:06:14 PM

jaytkay: tetsoushima: ocd002: When flight sim came out it was funny to fly the plane into the Sears tower. It stopped being funny after 9/11.

Of course, had Mayor Daley not ripped up Meigs Field under cover of darkness, he would have had a legitimate place to land.

I'm neither a pilot, nor from Chicago, so what's that all about?

We had a little lakefront general aviation (private plane) airport. Which was awesome for the handful of people who used it.

Mayor Daley wanted it closed, and sent out the bulldozers one night to carve Xs across the runway. One of the few old-school strong-arm acts of any big city mayor in recent decades. It's now a lakefront park with a great music venue.

Before (with Xs):
[www.airfields-freeman.com image 479x353]

After:
[www.trbimg.com image 479x296]


As big of a dick move as that was, and as much as I miss Meigs, that was AWESOME to see happen. It took balls of steel from a politician, and right or wrong I salute that.
 
2013-09-22 05:28:21 PM

italie: jaytkay: tetsoushima: ocd002: When flight sim came out it was funny to fly the plane into the Sears tower. It stopped being funny after 9/11.

Of course, had Mayor Daley not ripped up Meigs Field under cover of darkness, he would have had a legitimate place to land.

I'm neither a pilot, nor from Chicago, so what's that all about?

We had a little lakefront general aviation (private plane) airport. Which was awesome for the handful of people who used it.

Mayor Daley wanted it closed, and sent out the bulldozers one night to carve Xs across the runway. One of the few old-school strong-arm acts of any big city mayor in recent decades. It's now a lakefront park with a great music venue.

Before (with Xs):
[www.airfields-freeman.com image 479x353]

After:
[www.trbimg.com image 479x296]

As big of a dick move as that was, and as much as I miss Meigs, that was AWESOME to see happen. It took balls of steel from a politician, and right or wrong I salute that.


Destroying public property because the users won't pay your protection rates is usually called something else.
 
2013-09-22 05:34:23 PM

snocone: Destroying public property because the users won't pay your protection rates is usually called something else.


You sound real well informed. Please tell us in detail what you are talking about.
 
2013-09-22 05:34:38 PM

snocone: italie: jaytkay: tetsoushima: ocd002: When flight sim came out it was funny to fly the plane into the Sears tower. It stopped being funny after 9/11.

Of course, had Mayor Daley not ripped up Meigs Field under cover of darkness, he would have had a legitimate place to land.

I'm neither a pilot, nor from Chicago, so what's that all about?

We had a little lakefront general aviation (private plane) airport. Which was awesome for the handful of people who used it.

Mayor Daley wanted it closed, and sent out the bulldozers one night to carve Xs across the runway. One of the few old-school strong-arm acts of any big city mayor in recent decades. It's now a lakefront park with a great music venue.

Before (with Xs):
[www.airfields-freeman.com image 479x353]

After:
[www.trbimg.com image 479x296]

As big of a dick move as that was, and as much as I miss Meigs, that was AWESOME to see happen. It took balls of steel from a politician, and right or wrong I salute that.

Destroying public property because the users won't pay your protection rates is usually called something else.


Why do you think he had them carve "X's" in the runway?


///I keed, I keed.
 
2013-09-22 05:44:55 PM

italie: jaytkay: tetsoushima: ocd002: When flight sim came out it was funny to fly the plane into the Sears tower. It stopped being funny after 9/11.

Of course, had Mayor Daley not ripped up Meigs Field under cover of darkness, he would have had a legitimate place to land.

I'm neither a pilot, nor from Chicago, so what's that all about?

We had a little lakefront general aviation (private plane) airport. Which was awesome for the handful of people who used it.

Mayor Daley wanted it closed, and sent out the bulldozers one night to carve Xs across the runway. One of the few old-school strong-arm acts of any big city mayor in recent decades. It's now a lakefront park with a great music venue.

Before (with Xs):
[www.airfields-freeman.com image 479x353]

After:
[www.trbimg.com image 479x296]

As big of a dick move as that was, and as much as I miss Meigs, that was AWESOME to see happen. It took balls of steel from a politician, and right or wrong I salute that.


You know who else had balls of steel and didnt care what others thought and took what he wanted?
 
2013-09-22 05:46:12 PM

jaytkay: snocone: Destroying public property because the users won't pay your protection rates is usually called something else.

You sound real well informed. Please tell us in detail what you are talking about.


No, no, I like your storey.
Needs more graphs.
 
2013-09-22 05:47:24 PM
Chicago, I am disappoint.

If it were my home town dozens of people would have already filed lawsuits claiming to have suffered property damage and personal injury from the collision.
 
2013-09-22 05:48:09 PM

snocone: jaytkay: snocone: Destroying public property because the users won't pay your protection rates is usually called something else.

You sound real well informed. Please tell us in detail what you are talking about.

No, no, I like your storey.
Needs more graphs.


Got it. You have no idea. You just get angry at any mention of Chicago. And it's been that way since November 2008 (Gee, I wonder why).

Thanks for confirming.
 
2013-09-22 05:49:32 PM
Fark Daley.   He wanted the island for a future casino project, but it fell thru.   And that airport wasn't only for the rich and powerful, anybody could use it, and did. Members of the Tuskeegee Airmen used to do their Eagle Flight introductory flight lessons for kids from there.  It was also a perfect staging area for relief staging if the city ever had a mass-casualty event. Emergency medevac choppers and Coast Guard rescue choppers operated from there. And yes, rich people making deals that made money for the city and state did their fly-ins from Meigs as well. Boeing was pissed when they moved their HQ nearby only to see the airport closed.   Daley hated Meigs for a long time and did everything he legally could to chase off business  and visitors from the place so he could say it didn't make money.  What a putz.
 
2013-09-22 05:50:41 PM

jaytkay: snocone: jaytkay: snocone: Destroying public property because the users won't pay your protection rates is usually called something else.

You sound real well informed. Please tell us in detail what you are talking about.

No, no, I like your storey.
Needs more graphs.

Got it. You have no idea. You just get angry at any mention of Chicago. And it's been that way since November 2008 (Gee, I wonder why).

Thanks for confirming.


You are an idiot.
I thought you were foolin'.
 
2013-09-22 06:01:07 PM

buzzcut73: LordOfThePings: "There's no way I could have made it back to Schaumburg, O'Hare or Midway"

Good thing Meigs Field is right th... oh.

Good to see that's been covered. Daley should have gone to jail for that.


No, he and his family should have been shot in their sleep, then afterwards everyone could just say "Oh well, can't undo what's already been done, hee hee."
 
2013-09-22 06:04:11 PM
Any Pie Left: It was also a perfect staging area for relief staging if the city ever had a mass-casualty event.   Emergency medevac choppers and Coast Guard rescue choppers operated from there

They still can. Helicopters don't need runways.
 
2013-09-22 06:07:28 PM

snocone: You are an idiot. I thought you were foolin'.


Still waiting for your well-informed, detailed explanation of the "protection rates".

I would hate to think you were just spouting ignorance, I really want to know the facts.
 
2013-09-22 06:14:08 PM
Guaranteed his landing was less exciting than half the times I ever flew into Midway in a blizzard.
 
2013-09-22 06:19:01 PM

Apik0r0s: Guaranteed his landing was less exciting than half the times I ever flew into Midway in a blizzard.


oi42.tinypic.com

Yeah, I could see where that might be unnerving.

I landed there once in good weather...  wasn't real crazy about it.
 
2013-09-22 06:31:07 PM

Any Pie Left: Fark Daley.   He wanted the island for a future casino project, but it fell thru.   And that airport wasn't only for the rich and powerful, anybody could use it, and did. Members of the Tuskeegee Airmen used to do their Eagle Flight introductory flight lessons for kids from there.  It was also a perfect staging area for relief staging if the city ever had a mass-casualty event. Emergency medevac choppers and Coast Guard rescue choppers operated from there. And yes, rich people making deals that made money for the city and state did their fly-ins from Meigs as well. Boeing was pissed when they moved their HQ nearby only to see the airport closed.   Daley hated Meigs for a long time and did everything he legally could to chase off business  and visitors from the place so he could say it didn't make money.  What a putz.


This.
At the time (as Any Pie mentions) Daley was planning to put a casino there. The incredibly stupid thing is that Meigs was used all the time by corporates, and was a big benefit to keeping large corporate headquarters downtown. Oh, and also at the time he bulldozed the runways there were a bunch of planes there, that later had to take off from the taxiway.

Anyway, in a couple of decades when Chicago resembles modern day Detroit and people try to blame it on one minority or another, realize the reason it happened was because of a seemingly never ending stream of corrupt decisions such as the one to close Meigs Field.
 
2013-09-22 06:48:04 PM

anotar: The incredibly stupid thing is that Meigs was used all the time by corporates, and was a big benefit to keeping large corporate headquarters downtown...
Anyway, in a couple of decades when Chicago resembles modern day Detroit


Meigs was a blip. Airport had little effect on the city and region. It was tiny. There were no corporate hangars there.

Today Chicago's GDP would put it roughly 25th on Earth if we were a nation. We get 30 or 40 million visitors annually.

I've heard your gripe for decades. My suburban friends have been telling me I live in a dying city for 30 years. Sorry, the real world does not bend to your prejudice.

We get it, You hate "urban" people or you hate Obama and your emotion extends to Chicago.

Enjoy. Just don't expect reality to meet your prejudice and fantasy.
 
2013-09-22 07:01:33 PM
[scary] Pilot performs an emergency landing on LSD

/denied
 
2013-09-22 07:08:17 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-22 07:15:09 PM

jaytkay: snocone: You are an idiot. I thought you were foolin'.

Still waiting for your well-informed, detailed explanation of the "protection rates".

I would hate to think you were just spouting ignorance, I really want to know the facts.


Partisans don't speak nor understand facts.
Quit pretending.
 
2013-09-22 07:15:34 PM

italie: As big of a dick move as that was, and as much as I miss Meigs, that was AWESOME to see happen. It took balls of steel from a politician, and right or wrong I salute that.


The issue is that we're a nation of laws and the airfield was governed under Federal law and he unilaterally decided to default on federal mandates and grants and grants and overstep his authority.

If he wanted to see their airfield go then there is a process for decommissioning an airfield. It's not his personal decision.
 
2013-09-22 07:17:16 PM

snocone: Partisans don't speak nor understand facts.
Quit pretending.


Third request.

Still waiting for your well-informed, detailed explanation of the "protection rates".
 
2013-09-22 07:17:47 PM

lohphat: italie: As big of a dick move as that was, and as much as I miss Meigs, that was AWESOME to see happen. It took balls of steel from a politician, and right or wrong I salute that.

The issue is that we're a nation of laws and the airfield was governed under Federal law and he unilaterally decided to default on federal mandates and grants and grants and overstep his authority.

If he wanted to see their airfield go then there is a process for decommissioning an airfield. It's not his personal decision.


Don't forget grants.

/I hate farking on an ipad
 
2013-09-22 07:22:48 PM

anotar: At the time (as Any Pie mentions) Daley was planning to put a casino there.


Don't tell jaytkay that because it doesn't agree with his world view and will call you an asshole.
 
2013-09-22 07:24:06 PM

jaytkay: snocone: Partisans don't speak nor understand facts.
Quit pretending.

Third request.

Still waiting for your well-informed, detailed explanation of the "protection rates".


No, like every GOP Tard, you are pestering.
Squeeking and pestering.
 
2013-09-22 07:26:28 PM

snocone: jaytkay: snocone: Partisans don't speak nor understand facts.
Quit pretending.

Third request.

Still waiting for your well-informed, detailed explanation of the "protection rates".

No, like every GOP Tard, you are pestering.
Squeeking and pestering.


So you have no facts. Your comment was unfounded. Thanks for confirming!
 
2013-09-22 07:35:17 PM

Oldiron_79: italie: jaytkay: tetsoushima: ocd002: When flight sim came out it was funny to fly the plane into the Sears tower. It stopped being funny after 9/11.

Of course, had Mayor Daley not ripped up Meigs Field under cover of darkness, he would have had a legitimate place to land.

I'm neither a pilot, nor from Chicago, so what's that all about?

We had a little lakefront general aviation (private plane) airport. Which was awesome for the handful of people who used it.

Mayor Daley wanted it closed, and sent out the bulldozers one night to carve Xs across the runway. One of the few old-school strong-arm acts of any big city mayor in recent decades. It's now a lakefront park with a great music venue.

Before (with Xs):
[www.airfields-freeman.com image 479x353]

After:
[www.trbimg.com image 479x296]

As big of a dick move as that was, and as much as I miss Meigs, that was AWESOME to see happen. It took balls of steel from a politician, and right or wrong I salute that.

You know who else had a balls of steel and didnt care what others thought and took what he wanted?


FTFY
 
2013-09-22 07:43:43 PM
Just slippin' on by on LSD, Friday Saturday night trouble bound.
 
2013-09-22 08:39:34 PM

I'm on the Brute Squad: Good thing the landing wasn't a couple weeks from now.


I'm sure if his aircraft had two weeks of fuel, he cudda made it to O'Hare.
 
2013-09-22 09:21:00 PM

lohphat: anotar: At the time (as Any Pie mentions) Daley was planning to put a casino there.

Don't tell jaytkay that because it doesn't agree with his world view and will call you an asshole.


Geez you got that right.   BTW McCormick place is predicted to have convention revenue drop 46% next year, but let's blame that on the unions, instead of remembering about the jets that used to land a half mile away so corporate bigwigs could make an appearance and then off to the resort and a warmer climate.
 
2013-09-22 09:26:12 PM

anotar: lohphat: anotar: At the time (as Any Pie mentions) Daley was planning to put a casino there.

Don't tell jaytkay that because it doesn't agree with his world view and will call you an asshole.

Geez you got that right.   BTW McCormick place is predicted to have convention revenue drop 46% next year


That always happens in the eleventh year after an airport closes.
 
2013-09-22 09:34:30 PM

LordOfThePings: anotar: lohphat: anotar: At the time (as Any Pie mentions) Daley was planning to put a casino there.

Don't tell jaytkay that because it doesn't agree with his world view and will call you an asshole.

Geez you got that right.   BTW McCormick place is predicted to have convention revenue drop 46% next year

That always happens in the eleventh year after an airport closes.


+1
 
2013-09-22 09:48:58 PM

lifeboat: LordOfThePings: anotar: lohphat: anotar: At the time (as Any Pie mentions) Daley was planning to put a casino there.

Don't tell jaytkay that because it doesn't agree with his world view and will call you an asshole.

Geez you got that right.   BTW McCormick place is predicted to have convention revenue drop 46% next year

That always happens in the eleventh year after an airport closes.

+1


Isn't this a trend that's happening nationwide?

I don't think it's confined to just Chicago.
 
2013-09-22 11:20:24 PM

jaytkay: Sum Dum Gai: From my trips, Lakeshore Dr. is a pretty decent area...Now, a mile west of there, that's a different story altogether.

A mile west of Lake Shore Dr looks like this.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 500x643]


Two miles west looks like this:

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 640x459]

/ Next time you're in town you should venture out into our neighborhoods, I bet you will like it!


And get shot? Pass.
 
2013-09-23 12:26:22 AM

studebaker hoch: [scary] Pilot performs an emergency landing on LSD

/denied


Does Dock Ellis have a pilot's license?
 
2013-09-23 12:28:16 AM

Fubegra: Does Did Dock Ellis have a pilot's license?


FTFM.
 
2013-09-23 12:55:43 AM

lohphat: italie: As big of a dick move as that was, and as much as I miss Meigs, that was AWESOME to see happen. It took balls of steel from a politician, and right or wrong I salute that.

The issue is that we're a nation of laws and the airfield was governed under Federal law and he unilaterally decided to default on federal mandates and grants and grants and overstep his authority.

If he wanted to see their airfield go then there is a process for decommissioning an airfield. It's not his personal decision.



I get that. I didn't say I supported the airport being tore up. What I do support is a politician that isn't afraid to risk his career taking action on something, right or wrong. Much more refreshing than sitting in a building arguing about whose mascot has the bigger wang.
 
2013-09-23 12:55:51 AM

Bacontastesgood: Yeah, he was a giant ass, but so were the people keeping Meigs open. The land was owned by the city of Chicago free and clear, and Daley announced the airport would be closed in 1994. People wanted to keep it open and promised huge federal funds, which Daley would have been OK with. It didn't happen. His patience ran out and he went full dickbag. If he had given notice the Meigs lovers would have dragged out the closing for another decade in the courts. The people most angry about the closing are the lawyers who were hoping to get rich battling it out.


King Richard II used the BS excuse of 'safety in a post 9/11 world'. However Meigs controlled the downtown airspace. Once bulldozed there was no tower watching any longer. The lakeshore is the small plane route and this isn't the first time someone has had a problem along the route since the bulldozing.  Furthermore, King Richard also ignored all the requirements for closing an airport.

On another note, anyone with an aircraft capable of utilizing the runway of Meigs could use it. Didn't have to be rich or famous, just have enough money to buy or rent a plane or just hire a pilot and plane.

Another park just isn't as interesting and cool as that unique little airport. Perhaps they should have left a little grass airstrip just in case...
 
2013-09-23 01:13:04 AM
Can't have too much park.  Can't sorry for the socially elite private plane club, but sure can awe at their sense of entitlement and ability to rationalize, however.
 
2013-09-23 02:50:22 AM

italie: What I do support is a politician that isn't afraid to risk his career taking action on something, right or wrong. Much more refreshing than sitting in a building arguing about whose mascot has the bigger wang.


That would be called "anarchy" and if history serves me correctly the Middle Ages is not something I want repeated.

Civilization is predicated upon agreed processes and standards and for me "rule of law" is pretty high on the list.

Imagine a world where those in power ignored laws hard earned by trial and error and instead just acted upon their personal whims.

Oh....wait...
 
2013-09-23 02:53:09 AM

signaljammer: Can't have too much park.  Can't sorry for the socially elite private plane club, but sure can awe at their sense of entitlement and ability to rationalize, however.


The problem is that "private plane club" was also reason for large companies to house their headquarters there -- it served to facilitate commerce.

Jeez...once upon a time America was investing in infrastructure and prided itself as a world leader. Now as our roads and utility services crumble all we can do is biatch about it while the rest of the world passes us by.
 
2013-09-23 05:03:18 AM
All these excuses about corporates using Meigs and how it affects commerce is bullshiat.

If it really matters that much, land at O'hare or Midway and then drive over.  Takes an extra hour.

Or nowadays you can use just use the vertiport in West Loop and helicopter over from O'hare or Executive Airport.

I'm glad to see that airport gone, it was public property that sat on prime real estate that could only be used by the wealthy.
 
2013-09-23 02:39:24 PM

Aquadyne: I'm glad to see that airport gone, it was public property that sat on prime real estate that could only be used by the wealthy anyone with a pilots license.


People who can afford to fly also bring their spending habits with them in addition to corp flyers who chose to place their buildings there because of the easier access.

You may not like it but executive are actually really busy and several hours saved a day by having a closer airport actually matters. This is why Teterboro is as busy as it is despite EWR and JFK. If there were an airport off the shoreline built on landfill, it would be even busier. This is also why most other developed countries have high speed rail from airports to downtown areas -- they realize that time == money.
 
2013-09-23 03:08:10 PM

jaytkay: If the developers got it there would be high rises with lake and skyline views.


Commercial/residential development is not allowed east of LSD or on Chicago's lakefront parks.  The decision to bulldoze was motivated by graft to politically-connected builders and management companies.  Daley wanted another cookie jar he and various city and county officials could put their hands in.

Which city department are you on the payroll for?
 
2013-09-23 03:11:50 PM

Fark It: jaytkay: If the developers got it there would be high rises with lake and skyline views.

Commercial/residential development is not allowed east of LSD or on Chicago's lakefront parks.  The decision to bulldoze was motivated by graft to politically-connected builders and management companies.  Daley wanted another cookie jar he and various city and county officials could put their hands in.

Which city department are you on the payroll for?


I see you stepped in it too.
We should put up a safety cone.
Don't go here.
He'll start squeaking again.
 
2013-09-23 03:37:08 PM

snocone: Fark It: jaytkay: If the developers got it there would be high rises with lake and skyline views.

Commercial/residential development is not allowed east of LSD or on Chicago's lakefront parks.  The decision to bulldoze was motivated by graft to politically-connected builders and management companies.  Daley wanted another cookie jar he and various city and county officials could put their hands in.

Which city department are you on the payroll for?

I see you stepped in it too.
We should put up a safety cone.
Don't go here.
He'll start squeaking again.


I don't know what is more of a headscratcher, the idea that Chicago isn't corrupt, or that if you think so, you must hate Obama.
 
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