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(USA Today)   Looks like Men aren't from Mars after all, and they won't be going there either (unless NASA willingly exposes them to lethal doses of radiation)   (usatoday.com) divider line 137
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2013-09-22 02:16:08 PM  
They need more lead.
 
2013-09-22 02:16:21 PM  
I don't think they're going to Mars to retire into their old age...
 
2013-09-22 02:17:42 PM  
K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks
 
2013-09-22 02:21:28 PM  

great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks


But somehow we'll make completely fail-safe machinery to keep people alive?

Send more machines. They get better, we don't.

What's with that "K" stuff? Are you sending K28 codes?
 
2013-09-22 02:21:52 PM  
Wait, this is news?

I mean, the lack of atmosphere or magnetic field weren't a clue?
 
2013-09-22 02:22:55 PM  

great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks


Do you have a reasonable alternate?
 
2013-09-22 02:22:56 PM  

great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks


Thusfar, with one exemption, every single one has been wildly successful and has performed far beyond its design limit.
 
2013-09-22 02:24:51 PM  
If I'm not mistaken, it's been pretty much assumed a trip to Mars was going to be a one-way ticket, and radiation worries have been known for a long time (and I'm not talking Van Allen belts to the moon conspiracy crap).
 
2013-09-22 02:25:02 PM  
I say we send people there anyway.  Sure, most of them will die, but think about the rest.  Mutant abilities, super powers, radiation sickness and Martian porn!  Eventually, we'll have the resources to bring them back to Earth and then imagine the excitement and economic boost as we get to watch the super heroes battle super villains while watching Martian porn stars on our computers.
 
2013-09-22 02:26:23 PM  

Mister Peejay: Wait, this is news?

I mean, the lack of atmosphere or magnetic field weren't a clue?


It's amazing how evolution gave us those things.

/idiot,troll or enlightened. Your pick.
 
2013-09-22 02:26:24 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks

But somehow we'll make completely fail-safe machinery to keep people alive?

Send more machines. They get better, we don't.

What's with that "K" stuff? Are you sending K28 codes?


Me thinks thou hast just bit.

/ I would really like to see a man go to mars; but, I'm betting it takes another 50 years to be survivable.
 
2013-09-22 02:26:49 PM  
What's this human pish?

Send drones, robots, machines that go 'ping!', and shiat.
 
2013-09-22 02:27:42 PM  
Extraterrestrial UFO Are Real : Ben Rich Lockheed Skunk Works Director Admitted In His Deathbed Confession

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-sk un k.html


Don Phillips (also from Skunk Works)  on UFOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjx7e-AD0o8
 
2013-09-22 02:28:18 PM  

MrHappyRotter: I say we send people there anyway.  Sure, most of them will die, but think about the rest.  Mutant abilities, super powers, radiation sickness and Martian porn!  Eventually, we'll have the resources to bring them back to Earth and then imagine the excitement and economic boost as we get to watch the super heroes battle super villains while watching Martian porn stars on our computers.


Come ooonnnn! Three breasted Martian strippers!
 
2013-09-22 02:28:49 PM  

great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks


Eventually we all have to leave this planet. I'm OK wisely investing in figuring out a means of accomplishing it.

I also think the sooner we can find some of the intelligent life in the universe the better. So, SETI
 
2013-09-22 02:29:01 PM  
NASA would have to knowingly expose astronauts to cancerous, or even lethal, levels of space radiation.

Not just radiation, but space radiation!
 
2013-09-22 02:29:08 PM  

iheartscotch: Quantum Apostrophe: great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks

But somehow we'll make completely fail-safe machinery to keep people alive?

Send more machines. They get better, we don't.

What's with that "K" stuff? Are you sending K28 codes?

Me thinks thou hast just bit.

/ I would really like to see a man go to mars; but, I'm betting it takes another 50 years to be survivable.


Sorry, I guess I got in the way someone's childhood fantasies that are wildly impractical and useless.

I guess radioactive rust in a vacuum is just so compelling for some people.

Resident Muslim: Mister Peejay: Wait, this is news?

I mean, the lack of atmosphere or magnetic field weren't a clue?


It's amazing how evolution gave us those things.

/idiot,troll or enlightened. Your pick.

What does that even mean? I'm baffled.
 
2013-09-22 02:29:48 PM  

Resident Muslim: Mister Peejay: Wait, this is news?

I mean, the lack of atmosphere or magnetic field weren't a clue?

It's amazing how evolution gave us those things.

/idiot,troll or enlightened. Your pick.


Google "anthropic principle".
 
2013-09-22 02:30:18 PM  
based on all their fragile little ladybits, it looks like women aren't going even more than men.
 
2013-09-22 02:30:55 PM  

iheartscotch: MrHappyRotter: I say we send people there anyway.  Sure, most of them will die, but think about the rest.  Mutant abilities, super powers, radiation sickness and Martian porn!  Eventually, we'll have the resources to bring them back to Earth and then imagine the excitement and economic boost as we get to watch the super heroes battle super villains while watching Martian porn stars on our computers.

Come ooonnnn! Three breasted Martian strippers!


Don't forget the prehensile cocks.
 
2013-09-22 02:31:17 PM  
People volunteering to go to Mars know the risks involved.  There are a thousand things that could go wrong and kill some or all of the expedition.  If the people going are aware of the known the risks and are well advised of the dangers, I say let them go.  Humanity's place on Earth wasn't built by doing every last thing in complete safety.
 
2013-09-22 02:34:22 PM  
I'M IN!
 
2013-09-22 02:35:38 PM  

MrHappyRotter: iheartscotch: MrHappyRotter: I say we send people there anyway.  Sure, most of them will die, but think about the rest.  Mutant abilities, super powers, radiation sickness and Martian porn!  Eventually, we'll have the resources to bring them back to Earth and then imagine the excitement and economic boost as we get to watch the super heroes battle super villains while watching Martian porn stars on our computers.

Come ooonnnn! Three breasted Martian strippers!

Don't forget the prehensile cocks.


Why would male chickens need prehensile tails?
 
2013-09-22 02:36:01 PM  

kyleaugustus: Humanity's place on Earth wasn't built by doing every last thing in complete safety.


That's right, that's why we have all these colonies on the bottom of the ocean or giant cities in Antarctica. Oops, looks like we do best in a narrowly defined range of temperature, pressure and humidity. Hmm, sorry to burst your ideological bubble.
 
2013-09-22 02:36:30 PM  

kyleaugustus: People volunteering to go to Mars know the risks involved.  There are a thousand things that could go wrong and kill some or all of the expedition.  If the people going are aware of the known the risks and are well advised of the dangers, I say let them go.  Humanity's place on Earth wasn't built by doing every last thing in complete safety.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-09-22 02:37:48 PM  
fark all that wuss shiat.  Get up into space and get your asses out to Mars, space nerds.
 
2013-09-22 02:41:07 PM  
I doubt that NASA has issues finding astronauts willing to accept those risks.  Hell, they aren't even risks, it's basically certain cancer, and definitely no (more) kids.  First person on Mars?  Isn't it maybe worth it?
 
2013-09-22 02:43:33 PM  
I don't see a lot of point to manned missions when we could send robots instead for a fraction of the cost or a dozen robots for the same cost. The oft-cited argument of spreading out to ensure the survival of the species falls flat before the reality that until the oceans boil away there are no circumstances in which another body in this solar system will be more habitable than the Earth.

FTFA: Should astronauts be allowed to volunteer for a flight when NASA knows space radiation exposure limits almost surely will be exceeded?

That depends upon whether or not you believe the people of the US are government property with little say over how or when their own lives will end.
 
2013-09-22 02:43:57 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: iheartscotch: Quantum Apostrophe: great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks

But somehow we'll make completely fail-safe machinery to keep people alive?

Send more machines. They get better, we don't.

What's with that "K" stuff? Are you sending K28 codes?

Me thinks thou hast just bit.

/ I would really like to see a man go to mars; but, I'm betting it takes another 50 years to be survivable.

Sorry, I guess I got in the way someone's childhood fantasies that are wildly impractical and useless.

I guess radioactive rust in a vacuum is just so compelling for some people.

Resident Muslim: Mister Peejay: Wait, this is news?

I mean, the lack of atmosphere or magnetic field weren't a clue?

It's amazing how evolution gave us those things.

/idiot,troll or enlightened. Your pick.

What does that even mean? I'm baffled.


In 1492; A 12 hour journey between Paris and New York was wildly impractical.

In 1740; steam engines were wildly impractical and useless.

In 1890; flight was wildly impractical and useless.

In 1950; personal computers were wildly impractical and useless

/ my point? Don't give up on something; just because somebody said it was impossible. :)
 
2013-09-22 02:45:13 PM  
Should a true understanding of the risk, and informed consent, be enough for someone to volunteer for a Mars mission?

fark you for even suggesting this nanny-state question.
 
2013-09-22 02:49:26 PM  

iheartscotch: In 1492; A 12 hour journey between Paris and New York was wildly impractical.

In 1740; steam engines were wildly impractical and useless.

In 1890; flight was wildly impractical and useless.

In 1950; personal computers were wildly impractical and useless


In 2050; people were still laughing at the idea that atoms were immortal
 
2013-09-22 02:50:22 PM  

iheartscotch: Quantum Apostrophe: iheartscotch: Quantum Apostrophe: great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks

But somehow we'll make completely fail-safe machinery to keep people alive?

Send more machines. They get better, we don't.

What's with that "K" stuff? Are you sending K28 codes?

Me thinks thou hast just bit.

/ I would really like to see a man go to mars; but, I'm betting it takes another 50 years to be survivable.

Sorry, I guess I got in the way someone's childhood fantasies that are wildly impractical and useless.

I guess radioactive rust in a vacuum is just so compelling for some people.

Resident Muslim: Mister Peejay: Wait, this is news?

I mean, the lack of atmosphere or magnetic field weren't a clue?

It's amazing how evolution gave us those things.

/idiot,troll or enlightened. Your pick.

What does that even mean? I'm baffled.

In 1492; A 12 hour journey between Paris and New York was wildly impractical.

In 1740; steam engines were wildly impractical and useless.

In 1890; flight was wildly impractical and useless.

In 1950; personal computers were wildly impractical and useless

/ my point? Don't give up on something; just because somebody said it was impossible. :)


You keep using that word. I don't know think it means what you think it means (in context of the point you are trying to make)

www.thatfilmguy.net
 
2013-09-22 02:52:18 PM  
Can't we just send some death row inmates up instead? Seems like a win win proposition.
 
2013-09-22 02:56:23 PM  
It's no place to raise your kids.
 
2013-09-22 03:01:36 PM  

OOBE Juan Kenobi: Extraterrestrial UFO Are Real : Ben Rich Lockheed Skunk Works Director Admitted In His Deathbed Confession

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-sk un k.html


Don Phillips (also from Skunk Works)  on UFOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjx7e-AD0o8


From Wikipedia:
Upon graduation Rich was hired byLockheed as a thermodynamicist. There he worked on a variety of projects - he was awarded a patent for designing a nichrome heating system which prevented Navy patrol plane crew's penises from freezing to their urine elimination pipes.
 
2013-09-22 03:02:19 PM  
no shiat, based on current (the best the 1980's could provide) space capsule tech, a trip to mars would be a slow, with a lot of Rads

they why we are working on better engine types, and much better radiation shielding

but, to get to mars we are going to need a 1960's NASA, and not the 1990's NASA
 
2013-09-22 03:02:36 PM  
Fecking Christians really want us all to die together on this shiatty rock.
Radiation is the one of the many challenges of going to outerspace above low Earth orbit. So quit posting derp.

/I'll be in my lead lined bunker to keep that yellow ball of fire from radiating me.
//cue 'Suicide is painless' from MASH.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gO7uemm6Yo
 
2013-09-22 03:04:30 PM  

rhondajeremy: iheartscotch: Quantum Apostrophe: iheartscotch: Quantum Apostrophe: great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks

But somehow we'll make completely fail-safe machinery to keep people alive?

Send more machines. They get better, we don't.

What's with that "K" stuff? Are you sending K28 codes?

Me thinks thou hast just bit.

/ I would really like to see a man go to mars; but, I'm betting it takes another 50 years to be survivable.

Sorry, I guess I got in the way someone's childhood fantasies that are wildly impractical and useless.

I guess radioactive rust in a vacuum is just so compelling for some people.

Resident Muslim: Mister Peejay: Wait, this is news?

I mean, the lack of atmosphere or magnetic field weren't a clue?

It's amazing how evolution gave us those things.

/idiot,troll or enlightened. Your pick.

What does that even mean? I'm baffled.

In 1492; A 12 hour journey between Paris and New York was wildly impractical.

In 1740; steam engines were wildly impractical and useless.

In 1890; flight was wildly impractical and useless.

In 1950; personal computers were wildly impractical and useless

/ my point? Don't give up on something; just because somebody said it was impossible. :)

You keep using that word. I don't know think it means what you think it means (in context of the point you are trying to make)


Yeah; I know. It's a little clunky in the wording department. I was pointing out that, what is impractical or impossible is only impossible until someone does it. I was using QA's own words to make my point.
 
2013-09-22 03:04:50 PM  
Sounds like an engineering problem. We'll probably have to bring a decent amount of water with us, right? Why not encapsulate the part of the craft where people operate in a sheet of lead and a big water tank while in transit? Maybe even toss in a magnetic field on the craft for a little extra protection.
 
2013-09-22 03:11:18 PM  
If only there were some way to protect people from radiation...

www.washingtonclosure.com
 
2013-09-22 03:11:38 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks

But somehow we'll make completely fail-safe machinery to keep people alive?

Send more machines. They get better, we don't.

What's with that "K" stuff? Are you sending K28 codes?


No, kthanks is another way of identifying idiots, just like the ones who say"totes" this and that. Self-identifying morons
 
2013-09-22 03:16:04 PM  
TFA fails with no mention of hilarious Space Madness.

http://youtu.be/PZCiZpph9jo
 
2013-09-22 03:22:12 PM  
theorellior:

iheartscotch: In 1492; A 12 hour journey between Paris and New York was wildly impractical.

In 1740; steam engines were wildly impractical and useless.

In 1890; flight was wildly impractical and useless.

In 1950; personal computers were wildly impractical and useless

In 2050; people were still laughing at the idea that atoms were immortal


In 2080, the atoms of someone Quite Assured of atomic immortality will be slowly diffusing through the worms and dirt of Parklawn Memorial Cemetery.

On the plus side, there will be fewer hijacked threads.
 
2013-09-22 03:27:06 PM  
So send people already have cancer.  Duh.
 
2013-09-22 03:27:21 PM  

maxheck: On the plus side, there will be fewer hijacked threads.


He'll join Ray Kurzweil and get his brain scanned into a mainframe so he can continue to post from BEYOND THE GRAVE.
 
GBB
2013-09-22 03:29:52 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

All you need.  Just keep it in a safe place.
 
2013-09-22 03:29:55 PM  
Ohh....frakking hells.
 
2013-09-22 03:30:34 PM  

great_tigers: K. Can we stop wasting billions of dollars send remote controlled golf carts there that have failed nearly every time?

K thanks


Z.  You are a moron.
S.  You are welcome.
 
2013-09-22 03:31:18 PM  

kyleaugustus: People volunteering to go to Mars know the risks involved. There are a thousand things that could go wrong and kill some or all of the expedition. If the people going are aware of the known the risks and are well advised of the dangers, I say let them go. Humanity's place on Earth wasn't built by doing every last thing in complete safety.


Yeah, riding the rocket isn't exactly the safest thing in the world!  The risk of simply going to space at all is about 1%.

thenumber5: no shiat, based on current (the best the 1980's could provide) space capsule tech, a trip to mars would be a slow, with a lot of Rads

they why we are working on better engine types, and much better radiation shielding


Yeah.

1)  Arrange your rocket so the mass of stuff you're carrying to Mars is between the crew and the sun.  Lower rads.

2)  Put a huge positive charge on your rocket.  Pump it up to say 100 million volts.  (You do this by putting an electron accelerator on it to push them away.)  This will subtract 100 million electron volts from any protons wandering around--that's enough to keep most of them away.  Of course it adds 100 million electron volts to any beta particles you encounter but the spacecraft skin will stop them anyway.

Claude Ballse: If only there were some way to protect people from radiation...

[www.washingtonclosure.com image 850x637]


Those suits are about avoiding contamination, they do nothing about the radiation.
 
2013-09-22 03:35:36 PM  
How dare Queen Isabella of Spain grant permission and give ships to a would-be Genovese that risks drowning, sea monsters, scurvy, and the chance of falling off the flat edge of the Earth itself as the Sun rotates around it?!

Fie on this madness of education and innovation! Surely any and all sums of human knowledge have been well and truly plumbed; to seek more is to challenge the hubris of the Gods!
 
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