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2013-09-22 04:32:02 PM

styckx: US Government has contributed some $35M

Jesus christ why?


Think "loiter time" and missiles.
 
2013-09-22 04:35:56 PM

Eps05: I'm curious how an airship like this can handle winds.


They can't. They stay on the ground in questionable weather.
 
2013-09-22 04:37:44 PM

Duke_leto_Atredes: Watched the test flight at lunch, wow just wow


Is it at those hangars on Edinger? Years ago I used to regularly take my late, great Beaglish Girl to a couple of vet specialists across the street there from some huge buildings, and it took a bit for me to figure out that those buildings were actually super giant hangars. I thought they were maybe for  x prize kind of stuff? Never saw the doors open though.

I have a strange fascination with watching lighter than air craft and helicopters, and I would have loved to seen it.
 
2013-09-22 04:42:28 PM

Eps05: Girion47: Disappearing Hitchhiker: 66 tons is a lot, y'all

So it will be able to move a Ford Mustang....barely

You can lift a tank with that capacity. That would make it interesting to the DoD.

it's also about the cargo carrying capacity of 2 tractor trailers running standard 5-axle setups (the truck itself can pull far more but the roads cannot handle the ground pressure without long term damage) all the while being able to deliver in areas that don't have infrastructure year long (northern mines, if you've ever watched ice road shows).

Helium supply issues aside, I'm curious how an airship like this can handle winds.


Pretty much like any other airship, so get let's just hope they are only ever cleared to fly over unpopulated areas.
 
2013-09-22 04:49:48 PM

Jarhead_h: Pretty much like any other airship, so get let's just hope they are only ever cleared to fly over unpopulated areas.


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2013-09-22 05:10:40 PM

FloydA: styckx: US Government has contributed some $35M

Jesus christ why?


It's hard to get cargo deliveries to places where there are no roads or infrastructure. This'll cost less, and be more effective, than building a road to podunkville.

As an aside, the ability of the US military to move huge amounts of cargo quickly is surprisingly limited. One of the requirements for this was probably the ability to carry enough parts to build an airfield.
 
2013-09-22 05:11:27 PM

skinink: God, who would want to put a bomb on that? Why bother? Some broad gets on that with a staticy sweater and it's "BOOM"! "Oh the humanity! Wahhhhh hahahahhhhhhh!!!"

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And Lana's vulva is a smooth as a veal cutlet.


... with terrible timing.
 
2013-09-22 05:31:01 PM

garkola: FloydA: styckx: US Government has contributed some $35M

Jesus christ why?

It's hard to get cargo deliveries to places where there are no roads or infrastructure. This'll cost less, and be more effective, than building a road to podunkville.

As an aside, the ability of the US military to move huge amounts of cargo quickly is surprisingly limited. One of the requirements for this was probably the ability to carry enough parts to build an airfield.



(Attributions went haywire there.)
 
2013-09-22 05:35:20 PM
So dumb question couldn't you theoretically fill the bags with a hydrogen/helium mix where if the bag busted the stoichiometrics would be incompatible with oh the humanity fires because of the helium depriving it of oxygen?
 
2013-09-22 05:53:19 PM

red_dragon60: b2theory: GoldDude: What a colossal waste of the world's dwindling supply of helium.

Came here to say this. I am sure glad that we used our very limited supply for this POS as opposed to a couple MRI machines.

Surely not as much a waste as birthday balloons. I'm all for maintaining strategic reserves of helium, don't get me wrong. But this system seems to be able to recapture and compress helium instead of venting it like what we'd do with the Akron/Macon. If it's a closed system with synthetic skin that keeps in the helium molecules (which we've had since the 1930s) then it's hard for me to get mad at this. I'm not pleased about the helium cliff but I'm hopeful about more gas discoveries, especially aided by the fracking boom going on.

Who knows, this airship may enable us to reach remote gas wells that supply the very helium it depends on.

If you want to talk wasteful, let's talk about how MRI scanners don't recapture helium and just waste it during quenching. They account for 20% of the world's helium use per year - and recapturing isn't really a priority. There are a few bright possibilities for dramatically less helium consumption with MRIs, though.



Quenching is not a normal thing to do with a superconducting magnet.  It's a failure mode (and it's very exciting when it happens).  That's like saying "too much fuel is wasted in airliner crashes".

Probably what you mean (sorry to put words in your mouth) is that the helium that boils away normal during operation of the instrument is not recaptured.  Which is true, but you can't sell a vacuum and cooling system capable of re-condensing helium with every instrument.  That would make them cost, oh, a hundred times more than they already do.
 
2013-09-22 05:58:10 PM

Oldiron_79: So dumb question couldn't you theoretically fill the bags with a hydrogen/helium mix where if the bag busted the stoichiometrics would be incompatible with oh the humanity fires because of the helium depriving it of oxygen?



Let's just stop being such sissies and use hydrogen.  Build smaller airships, don't coat them with highly flammable paint, and try to electrically ground them safely when they arrive.
 
2013-09-22 06:38:21 PM
Really disappointed not using antigravity yet, especially in cars. Where's all the flying cars they said we'd have? Get off my lawn!
 
2013-09-22 06:51:26 PM

red_dragon60: b2theory: GoldDude: What a colossal waste of the world's dwindling supply of helium.

Came here to say this. I am sure glad that we used our very limited supply for this POS as opposed to a couple MRI machines.

Surely not as much a waste as birthday balloons. I'm all for maintaining strategic reserves of helium, don't get me wrong. But this system seems to be able to recapture and compress helium instead of venting it like what we'd do with the Akron/Macon. If it's a closed system with synthetic skin that keeps in the helium molecules (which we've had since the 1930s) then it's hard for me to get mad at this. I'm not pleased about the helium cliff but I'm hopeful about more gas discoveries, especially aided by the fracking boom going on.

Who knows, this airship may enable us to reach remote gas wells that supply the very helium it depends on.

If you want to talk wasteful, let's talk about how MRI scanners don't recapture helium and just waste it during quenching. They account for 20% of the world's helium use per year - and recapturing isn't really a priority. There are a few bright possibilities for dramatically less helium consumption with MRIs, though.


Actually, this company does have systems that recapture and re-purify the helium - I work for a company that supplies these services.  It is becoming more and more economically feasible as helium supply dwindles.  There will also be a lot more capturing the helium from natural gas wells as it will become more economically feasible too.  The US has recently closed off access to their helium supply so these types of systems will become more and more common.
 
2013-09-22 07:49:11 PM
helium balloons are not a waste of helium since it's already mixed with air. It's essentially unusable scrap helium. I have heard that Reclaiming helium is very energy inefficient, but there is a significant push for it since the supply is dwindling.
 
2013-09-22 08:06:15 PM

Jitterboogie: Actually, this company does have systems that recapture and re-purify the helium - I work for a company that supplies these services. It is becoming more and more economically feasible as helium supply dwindles. There will also be a lot more capturing the helium from natural gas wells as it will become more economically feasible too. The US has recently closed off access to their helium supply so these types of systems will become more and more common.


like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZkMQkHGj1s
 
2013-09-23 05:24:20 AM

jaytkay: I would give my left nut to travel back in time for a trans-Atlantic Zeppelin trip.


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2013-09-23 11:32:29 AM

Oldiron_79: So dumb question couldn't you theoretically fill the bags with a hydrogen/helium mix where if the bag busted the stoichiometrics would be incompatible with oh the humanity fires because of the helium depriving it of oxygen?


I forget the numbers specifically but you can safely mix about 5-7% Hydrogen into a Helium mix and it is non-flammable. It amounts to a minor cost savings with the downside of handling liquid hydrogen.

noitsnot: Quenching is not a normal thing to do with a superconducting magnet.  It's a failure mode (and it's very exciting when it happens).  That's like saying "too much fuel is wasted in airliner crashes".

Probably what you mean (sorry to put words in your mouth) is that the helium that boils away normal during operation of the instrument is not recaptured.  Which is true, but you can't sell a vacuum and cooling system capable of re-condensing helium with every instrument.  That would make them cost, oh, a hundred times more than they already do.


Exactly, and you said it better.

garkola: FloydA: styckx: US Government has contributed some $35M

Jesus christ why?

It's hard to get cargo deliveries to places where there are no roads or infrastructure. This'll cost less, and be more effective, than building a road to podunkville.

As an aside, the ability of the US military to move huge amounts of cargo quickly is surprisingly limited. One of the requirements for this was probably the ability to carry enough parts to build an airfield.


I am really excited to think about how we can use these to respond to natural disasters. We often justify things with "well it has military uses" but an airship can go anywhere with a load of cargo, and that means into flooding areas, fire-damaged and earthquake-devastated areas, etc. They can get there pretty quickly, too. I can't find the cruising speed of this bird but the Graf Zeppelin was about 85mph in the 1930's, so this is likely comparable. That means you can lift these off from your hangar and cover huge swathes of America in a 12-hour trip. Since it would be stupid to not have them standardized for cargo pods, you could have a loaded pod of disaster materials ready to go and drop in. Imagine - after a natural disaster, less than a day later, four of these come in and drop completely-equipped field hospitals in a disaster area. When they leave, they can take hundreds of injured people back to larger hospitals. This kind of lift capacity and delivery has the potential to do unimaginable good for people.
 
2013-09-23 12:47:34 PM

skinink: whosits_112: skinink: God, who would want to put a bomb on that? Why bother? Some broad gets on that with a staticy sweater and it's "BOOM"! "Oh the humanity! Wahhhhh hahahahhhhhhh!!!"

And Lana's vulva is a smooth as a veal cutlet.

Came for Archer, leaving satisfied.

/Hello, airplanes? This is blimps. You win.

My favorite Archer episode. So silly and quotable. "It's M...as in Mancy."


No love for "start slacking off?"
 
2013-09-23 02:10:42 PM

kibblesnbits: Duke_leto_Atredes: Watched the test flight at lunch, wow just wow

Is it at those hangars on Edinger? Years ago I used to regularly take my late, great Beaglish Girl to a couple of vet specialists across the street there from some huge buildings, and it took a bit for me to figure out that those buildings were actually super giant hangars. I thought they were maybe for  x prize kind of stuff? Never saw the doors open though.

I have a strange fascination with watching lighter than air craft and helicopters, and I would have loved to seen it.


yes the old tustin air base. called the district now. part of it was turned over to the rescue mission the rest is business no houses yet.
 
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