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2013-09-22 10:20:59 AM  
Headline bothers me but whatever...I don't really know the story, so I'll refrain. I'll just say, always go against the grain.

"He also noted that Oatmeal fans ended up plastering his books with one-star reviews on Amazon."

Amazon really needs to require proof of purchase (or have you buy the item through them) to post reviews.
 
2013-09-22 10:37:24 AM  
Well against Suffer maybe. But I've always found ATG to be one the their best.
 
2013-09-22 11:00:16 AM  

Mangoose: Amazon really needs to require proof of purchase (or have you buy the item through them) to post reviews.


Do people really pay that much attention when the book is even slightly controversial? I've seen reviews that read like youtube comments.
 
2013-09-22 11:10:30 AM  

Mangoose: Amazon really needs to require proof of purchase (or have you buy the item through them) to post reviews.


So, the whole "Amazon Verified Purchase" badge - people could try ignoring the ones that don't have it, you know.  But that would require people to think about what they're reading, or to think about if they even should read something.  People who read reviews certainly aren't doing that.
 
2013-09-22 11:44:22 AM  
The lawyer actually admitted his dumbassery. Good for him. That's rare.
 
2013-09-22 11:45:15 AM  

Mangoose: Amazon really needs to require proof of purchase (or have you buy the item through them) to post reviews.


Yah but how would we ever get such brilliant reviews as these if you had to actually buy the products they're mocking, especially the ones for shiat like $4000 home theater cabling.
 
2013-09-22 11:50:10 AM  

jaytkay: The lawyer actually admitted his dumbassery. Good for him. That's rare.


No, really, he didn't - he's painting himself as the victim, and basically saying "I can't win because everyone is set against me, so I'll stop pushing." The attorney for the person who won the judgement still has to go after Carreon for that $46,100, as you know full well that douchebag isn't paying voluntarily, and Carreon's going to suddenly be the most broke attorney that you've ever seen.

The guy's been an egotistical asshole for quite some time now, and even his mea culpa smacks of rectocranial inversion.
 
2013-09-22 11:51:31 AM  
O_o

The court system actually works in very controlled circumstances?

What is this sorcery!?
 
2013-09-22 11:52:20 AM  

BumpInTheNight: reviews as these


Bwahahaha. Some of those are genius.

Seriously though, go to the reviews for "How to Avoid Huge Ships." There be gold in that there mountain.
 
2013-09-22 11:57:27 AM  

jaytkay: The lawyer actually admitted his dumbassery. Good for him. That's rare.



He only admitted it after losing case after case, and now owing a bunch of money due to the backfiring of his attempts to use the legal system to intimidate and extort anyone who criticized him. On top of that, we had a link the other day about this with a lot more details and quotes from him about this kerfuffle. if you read it he basically still tries to blame everyone else in the world for his own actions, and pretends to be the victim in all of this. And terribly mangles buddhist philosophy to try and present himself as some kind of suffering, wronged party along the way.

I don't think he's really as contrite at all as TFA might lead you to believe. I think he knows now what he did wasn't a good idea from a practical standpoint... but I don't think he really has any understanding as to why, or any grasp of in what ways he was in the wrong.
 
2013-09-22 12:00:06 PM  
Never go to war with a guy who buys ink by the barrel.

Extended to the internet age, never start a war with a guy whose blog is followed by exponentially more than yours.
 
2013-09-22 12:05:15 PM  
Ha! Ha!

/too lazy to actually make a haha guy
 
2013-09-22 12:06:31 PM  

Mangoose: Amazon really needs to require proof of purchase (or have you buy the item through them) to post reviews


Bite your tongue! Remember how lulzy  the reviews of Sandusky's book were? To have missed out on that would have made the internet a lesser place indeed.

Unless, of course, we could have missed out on Sandusky altogether. That would have been worth the sacrifice.
 
2013-09-22 12:09:52 PM  

namegoeshere: Mangoose: Amazon really needs to require proof of purchase (or have you buy the item through them) to post reviews

Bite your tongue! Remember how lulzy  the reviews of Sandusky's book were? To have missed out on that would have made the internet a lesser place indeed.

Unless, of course, we could have missed out on Sandusky altogether. That would have been worth the sacrifice.


Not to mention the glory of Three Wolf Moon.
 
2013-09-22 12:29:02 PM  
There were plenty dickhead-of-the-year awards to hand out in that case.  The owner of the Oatmeal was as bad as the dickhead lawyer in some ways.  He was certainly enjoying the power trip of riding the controversy, even though he was the initial injured party.  The whole bear thing was major asshattery.  And the fans who participated in the internet smackdown were just as bad.  None of them had any standing in the case, yet they felt some personal need to kick a guy while he was down?  There was no justification for their behavior, other than to enjoy the glee of participating in administering punishment.

This incident brought out the worst in a lot of people.  NOBODY, from the fans on up to the two main players, has anything to be proud of here.
 
2013-09-22 12:33:27 PM  

tillerman35: The owner of the Oatmeal was as bad as the dickhead lawyer in some ways. He was certainly enjoying the power trip of riding the controversy, even though he was the initial injured party.


You would, too...don't lie. Dickhead lawyer deserved everything he got.
 
2013-09-22 12:52:43 PM  

tillerman35: There were plenty dickhead-of-the-year awards to hand out in that case.  The owner of the Oatmeal was as bad as the dickhead lawyer in some ways.  He was certainly enjoying the power trip of riding the controversy, even though he was the initial injured party.  The whole bear thing was major asshattery.  And the fans who participated in the internet smackdown were just as bad.  None of them had any standing in the case, yet they felt some personal need to kick a guy while he was down?  There was no justification for their behavior, other than to enjoy the glee of participating in administering punishment.

This incident brought out the worst in a lot of people.  NOBODY, from the fans on up to the two main players, has anything to be proud of here.


The Oatmeal did not start the fight. The Oatmeal was the victim and did the right thing when confronted with a bully. He fought back and refused to let this legal troll walk all over him. Was it over the top? Yes. So what if it was? He was facing a bully who was threatening to use the legal system to ruin his life. Why shouldn't he call attention to it in the biggest way possible? Why shouldn't he reveal that lawyer for the troll that he is? He had every right to react the way he did. And he raised 200K for charity.

But he drew a mean picture and hurt that lawyer's feelings, you say. So? That lawyer was extorting him, or trying to. This is no different than a patent troll, and the way you fight these people is not to do so quietly, it's to make as much noise as possible so that everyone sees, so that everyone knows how to fight back. (Our own Drew Curtis knows a thing or two about that.)

Now, some of The Oatmeal's defenders did cross the line. Some of them were horrible, and I won't defend them. But The Oatmeal never urged people to take direct action against this lawyer. The only action The Oatmeal urged was to donate money to charity. Was he an ass about it? Probably, but again, he was the victim and acted out of defense. I would say he needed to be an ass in order to effective wage war against this unjust attack.

So, no, both sides are not the same. The lawyer was the worst person in this, and at worst, The Oatmeal may have hurt the feelings of the lawyer extorting money from him and made him look bad. I don't feel any pity for people who try to bully and then get called out on it.
 
2013-09-22 12:56:59 PM  

tillerman35: There were plenty dickhead-of-the-year awards to hand out in that case.  The owner of the Oatmeal was as bad as the dickhead lawyer in some ways.  He was certainly enjoying the power trip of riding the controversy, even though he was the initial injured party.  The whole bear thing was major asshattery.  And the fans who participated in the internet smackdown were just as bad.  None of them had any standing in the case, yet they felt some personal need to kick a guy while he was down?  There was no justification for their behavior, other than to enjoy the glee of participating in administering punishment.

This incident brought out the worst in a lot of people.  NOBODY, from the fans on up to the two main players, has anything to be proud of here.


I kinda felt the same way but wasn't sure if I was missing something. I haven't been following this thing too closely (this is the first article on the matter that I've done more than skim), so I don't know the blow-by-blow, but it makes it sound like Oatmeal guy just decided to blast the lawyer ad hominem from out of nowhere. Seemed like, at least at first*, the lawyer was just doing his job, being a lawyer? Legally representing his client? That doesn't imply that he personally approves of or endorses his client's decisions or motives, if I understand correctly. Sure, if a lawyer has a huge problem with his client that will constantly distract him from providing the best representation possible, he could turn the case down, but I doubt this guy had that much of an emotional investment in either The Oatmeal or FunnyJunk, right?

* It did sound (from this article at least) like it got a little hairier later, and the lawyer made a grudge match out of it, but if I have the timeline straight in my head, that came after he had been personally attacked for representing his client. So while he could have been "the bigger man" and blown it off, his response sounds at least partially justified.

I don't read the Oatmeal, but of course I have seen the odd strip posted on the web, and the odd poster here and there. The guy always seemed like an intelligent author to me, but now I am not sure I would consider him very mature.
 
2013-09-22 01:13:13 PM  
Sigh. When will Fark offer a gluten-free main page?
 
2013-09-22 02:00:30 PM  

Mangoose: Headline bothers me but whatever...I don't really know the story, so I'll refrain. I'll just say, always go against the grain.

"He also noted that Oatmeal fans ended up plastering his books with one-star reviews on Amazon."

Amazon really needs to require proof of purchase (or have you buy the item through them) to post reviews.


You sound like a lot of fun at parties.
 
2013-09-22 02:27:31 PM  

asynchron: tillerman35: There were plenty dickhead-of-the-year awards to hand out in that case.  The owner of the Oatmeal was as bad as the dickhead lawyer in some ways.  He was certainly enjoying the power trip of riding the controversy, even though he was the initial injured party.  The whole bear thing was major asshattery.  And the fans who participated in the internet smackdown were just as bad.  None of them had any standing in the case, yet they felt some personal need to kick a guy while he was down?  There was no justification for their behavior, other than to enjoy the glee of participating in administering punishment.

This incident brought out the worst in a lot of people.  NOBODY, from the fans on up to the two main players, has anything to be proud of here.

I kinda felt the same way but wasn't sure if I was missing something. I haven't been following this thing too closely (this is the first article on the matter that I've done more than skim), so I don't know the blow-by-blow, but it makes it sound like Oatmeal guy just decided to blast the lawyer ad hominem from out of nowhere. Seemed like, at least at first*, the lawyer was just doing his job, being a lawyer? Legally representing his client? That doesn't imply that he personally approves of or endorses his client's decisions or motives, if I understand correctly. Sure, if a lawyer has a huge problem with his client that will constantly distract him from providing the best representation possible, he could turn the case down, but I doubt this guy had that much of an emotional investment in either The Oatmeal or FunnyJunk, right?

* It did sound (from this article at least) like it got a little hairier later, and the lawyer made a grudge match out of it, but if I have the timeline straight in my head, that came after he had been personally attacked for representing his client. So while he could have been "the bigger man" and blown it off, his response sounds at least partially justified.

I don't read the Oatme ...


His clients were stealing from The Oatmeal, so The Oatmeal called them out on it. Carreon then tried to extort money from The Oatmeal (supposedly without his clients knowledge) for daring to call a thief a thief. He wasn't just doing his job, he was trying to use the legal system to commit extortion. The Oatmeal might have been a bit dickish, but at no point was he wrong for defending himself.
 
2013-09-22 02:40:30 PM  

Mangoose: Headline bothers me but whatever


Lawyer went against the Oatmeal.
 
2013-09-22 02:48:14 PM  
Good story, beloved by Fark, gets ignored by Fark community due to bad headline, goes unclicked and unnoticed.

Film at 11...
 
2013-09-22 02:48:56 PM  
Oh god this guy again. His wife's website is some of the most concentrated derp I've ever had the pleasure of reading. It's truly awe inspiring, and unfortunately, down. Happily I found this tidbit on another site.

Did you think I wanted to become a deity? OMG, that is SO male! Spare me the maleness of this world. I'd get rid of you ALL if I could. I wouldn't leave a one of you. I told that to Charles the other night, and he got a hurt look on his face. He said, "You wouldn't even save the best man of all?" I said, "No farking way. You're still a man." I said it with a lot of force so that that would be the end of it. But no, he's got to shout me down. He's always got a sneaky, smart-stupid comeback. He lives on the strategists. He says, "Well, there are no girls who are any better." farker, he won the argument this time. But he can't even begin to compare to my win rate. I've been winning my whole life. He's been winning to, but between the two of us, I have the upper hand. He had the upper hand during the first 30 years of our marriage. But I'm going to make sure we go out with a BANG!
And the Inman people wanted us to be "humble." Ha! Ha! Ho! Ho! Take your "humble" and shove it up your ass. You see that plaque above my door? That's the first thing people see when they come into my house. DO NOT fark WITH ME! You think Charles is tough? He would be NOTHING without me. I made the son of a famous CIA family a laughing-stock among other CIA. What the fark happened to [columnist] Kathleen Parker after I hit her [with a digitally altered pornographic photo]? Another laughter-fest among her friends? She runs with a cruel crowd, like the Inman gang. They wouldn't hesitate at doing a female sacrifice just for fun, because the opportunity presented itself.
I'm working on taking down Carl Jung and the rest of the Nazis right now. I've got lots of ammunition pointed in their direction. They might be getting a little nervous about having their BIG SECRET come out, which Houston Stewart Chamberlain so foolishly gave me. It's not allowed to be spoken, only read. But people can't help but crow! I heard that Gyatrul Rinpoche told all my fellow Buddhists that I was like a general, leading an army. That's pretty admiring. But I really don't think that I deserve it. Can I send it back to him?
 
2013-09-22 03:45:16 PM  

AlanSmithee: Mangoose: Headline bothers me but whatever

Lawyer went against the Oatmeal.


Oh. See that's funny andit had to be explained to me.
 
2013-09-22 04:48:03 PM  

Ringshadow: Oh god this guy again. His wife's website is some of the most concentrated derp I've ever had the pleasure of reading. It's truly awe inspiring, and unfortunately, down. Happily I found this tidbit on another site.

Did you think I wanted to become a deity? OMG, that is SO male! Spare me the maleness of this world. I'd get rid of you ALL if I could. I wouldn't leave a one of you. I told that to Charles the other night, and he got a hurt look on his face. He said, "You wouldn't even save the best man of all?" I said, "No farking way. You're still a man." I said it with a lot of force so that that would be the end of it. But no, he's got to shout me down. He's always got a sneaky, smart-stupid comeback. He lives on the strategists. He says, "Well, there are no girls who are any better." farker, he won the argument this time. But he can't even begin to compare to my win rate. I've been winning my whole life. He's been winning to, but between the two of us, I have the upper hand. He had the upper hand during the first 30 years of our marriage. But I'm going to make sure we go out with a BANG!
And the Inman people wanted us to be "humble." Ha! Ha! Ho! Ho! Take your "humble" and shove it up your ass. You see that plaque above my door? That's the first thing people see when they come into my house. DO NOT fark WITH ME! You think Charles is tough? He would be NOTHING without me. I made the son of a famous CIA family a laughing-stock among other CIA. What the fark happened to [columnist] Kathleen Parker after I hit her [with a digitally altered pornographic photo]? Another laughter-fest among her friends? She runs with a cruel crowd, like the Inman gang. They wouldn't hesitate at doing a female sacrifice just for fun, because the opportunity presented itself.
I'm working on taking down Carl Jung and the rest of the Nazis right now. I've got lots of ammunition pointed in their direction. They might be getting a little nervous about having their BIG SECRET come out, which Hous ...


What i'm looking at is some of the most pure derp to ever be discovered.
 
2013-09-22 04:57:17 PM  
viscountalpha:

I know right? I'm actually sad the site is down. Not sad enough to give them money for server of course. Former home of website over here I guess, but the real dotcom was NaderLibrary.com. TaraCarreon dot com is somehow still online though, and she's the hardcore crazy in question so you can harvest a little bit of derp over there if you like.
 
2013-09-22 06:24:29 PM  

Mangoose: Headline bothers me but whatever...I don't really know the story, so I'll refrain. I'll just say, always go against the grain.

"He also noted that Oatmeal fans ended up plastering his books with one-star reviews on Amazon."

Amazon really needs to require proof of purchase (or have you buy the item through them) to post reviews.


You must never work with wood.  Going against the grain when sanding and finishing wood never looks pretty.

I am sure the guy who wrote a book about saving relationships through better communication then killed his wife got high reviews.
 
2013-09-22 06:47:58 PM  
2 names my friends keep naming their children that baffle me.

1) Ryker/Riker. Either admit that you're a secret trekkie or admit that you named your kid after a prison island.

2) Grayson/Greyson: You didn't always love this name, instead it is most likely what you were fantasizing about during conception. It's not classy, it's the equivalent of naming your little girl Morgan or your son Dirk. Might as well skip a few steps and name her deepthroat, or him taboo.

/I guess they could be thinking of TNG during conception...
//named after a TV marshal along with many of my friends
///parents finally admitted it wasn't after the biblical character
 
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