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2013-09-22 02:08:53 PM  

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


I hope Obamacare succeeds in reducing medical costs to the point you can afford surgery to have your SkinnyHead widened enough to accept a brain implant.
 
2013-09-22 02:14:40 PM  

TomD9938: I was referring to setting broken bones, physicals, lancing boils, etc.

If you find yourself in the ER or requiring expensive and elaborate testing, the "little luck" I mentioned has run out.  But then, go ahead and buy into a plan.

Im 44 and have been blessed with good health.

All these years, Id have been a perfect "pay the fine" candidate, and I'd have come out smelling like a rose to this point.


Under that logic, never use your seat belt.
 
2013-09-22 02:27:42 PM  

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


Care to elucidate how it's a trainwreck or are you going to keep playing the role of "Derpy the Wonder Shill" who spouts nonsense without one iota of proof to back it up?
 
2013-09-22 02:28:09 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: clancifer:   I just have to wonder if, and at what point, the Tea Partiers will realize they are being used.  Are they simply not smart enough? Or perhaps too jaded to ever figure it out?

"Hellz yeah!  Let's take down the Fed'ral Gubmint!"
(later)
"Hey, what happened to my social security/disability/subsidy/medicare!  Somebody needs to PAY ME!!!"


When these "government shutdowns" happen, the benefit checks still go out and the hoverround crowd still gets paid. If a shutdown actually did stop all benefit checks, then we'd see some real changes going on.
 
2013-09-22 02:38:46 PM  

coeyagi: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Care to elucidate how it's a trainwreck or are you going to keep playing the role of "Derpy the Wonder Shill" who spouts nonsense without one iota of proof to back it up?


Why would you expect him to change his shtick at this late date?
 
2013-09-22 02:43:10 PM  

coeyagi: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Care to elucidate how it's a trainwreck or are you going to keep playing the role of "Derpy the Wonder Shill" who spouts nonsense without one iota of proof to back it up?


A senior Democratic senator who helped write President Barack Obama's health care law stunned administration officials Wednesday, saying openly he thinks it's headed for a "train wreck."
 
2013-09-22 02:44:42 PM  

SkinnyHead: coeyagi: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Care to elucidate how it's a trainwreck or are you going to keep playing the role of "Derpy the Wonder Shill" who spouts nonsense without one iota of proof to back it up?

A senior Democratic senator who helped write President Barack Obama's health care law stunned administration officials Wednesday, saying openly he thinks it's headed for a "train wreck."


That isn't proof.  That is one guy.

Your batting average (now and forever):  0.000
 
2013-09-22 02:45:52 PM  

SkinnyHead: coeyagi: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Care to elucidate how it's a trainwreck or are you going to keep playing the role of "Derpy the Wonder Shill" who spouts nonsense without one iota of proof to back it up?

A senior Democratic senator who helped write President Barack Obama's health care law stunned administration officials Wednesday, saying openly he thinks it's headed for a "train wreck."


Funny, when you read that article, it doesn't make the point you're trying to make with it.

/come on, you used to be good at this
 
2013-09-22 02:59:37 PM  

SkinnyHead: coeyagi: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Care to elucidate how it's a trainwreck or are you going to keep playing the role of "Derpy the Wonder Shill" who spouts nonsense without one iota of proof to back it up?

A senior Democratic senator who helped write President Barack Obama's health care law stunned administration officials Wednesday, saying openly he thinks it's headed for a "train wreck."


This is how we know that the Republicans have lost the battle.  They resort to lying and taking things out of context.  They are unable to make a rational argument against the health care law so they resort to this repeated propaganda.  Baucus explicitly says that the lack of advertisement about the law and the fact that many people don't know what the law entails (largely because of GOP sponsored propaganda...see Kentucky State Fair as an example) will lead to problems when open enrollment begins on October 1st as people won't know what to do.  Coupled with red state governors actively limiting public knowledge about the health care plan, he's correct.  There will be a lot of low information individuals out there.  This is one reason why the initial open enrollment period is an extended period of time.  And, of course, Pelosi's comment rings true today as much as it rang true when she said it, "We have to pass the bill in order for you to see what's in it away from the fog of controversy."  For the GOP, the fog is still very thick, and Skinnyhead's comment further emphasizes that the GOP is unable to see through the fog.
 
2013-09-22 03:10:31 PM  
I occasionally watch The Factor to hear the lib talking points from O'Reilly. It's better when Ms. Laura is guest host because she can take like 15 libs to task all by her solo.
 
2013-09-22 03:11:48 PM  
Does this mean we get to add him to TLoPCAtGOPaTA?
 
2013-09-22 03:15:29 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: Well the GOP's message is now Health care kills and Guns save lives.


I apologize in advance, because I'll probably use this without attributing it to you.
 
2013-09-22 03:23:16 PM  

SkinnyHead: It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


Well, them, the Heritage Foundation, Newt Gingrich and the insurance lobby.

But yeah, it's all the libby libs' fault.
 
2013-09-22 03:23:50 PM  

Aristocles: I occasionally watch The Factor to hear the lib talking points from O'Reilly. It's better when Ms. Laura is guest host because she can take like 15 libs to task all by her solo.


Yes.  She lies so fluently.  I commend her on being such a good propagandist.  She certainly knows how to read her low information audience.
 
2013-09-22 03:27:57 PM  

ItchyMcDoogle: Well the GOP's message is now Health care kills and Guns save lives.


Oh, come on.  Am I the only one here who's used a rifle to shoot a possibly cancerous mole off of my back?
 
2013-09-22 03:33:23 PM  

MontanaDave: ItchyMcDoogle: Well the GOP's message is now Health care kills and Guns save lives.

I apologize in advance, because I'll probably use this without attributing it to you.


First the GOP goes to great effort to make sure you are born, then switches over to actively trying to kill you.
 
2013-09-22 03:46:08 PM  

TomD9938: After the first a person can wait until something happens before buying into any plan.


You really don't understand how insurance works do you?

If your house is on fire, then sure, an insurance company will be happy to sell you a policy.  Since the only thing it'll cover is the already burned ashes you'll probably get a very reasonable price.

Similarly, you can wait until you're in the ER with a heart attack to buy health insurance.  It just won't cover the ambulance ride, the emergency surgery, the initial hospital stay, or anything else until your paperwork gets through someone's system and your coverage actually starts.
 
2013-09-22 03:48:05 PM  

HighOnCraic: ItchyMcDoogle: Well the GOP's message is now Health care kills and Guns save lives.

Oh, come on.  Am I the only one here who's used a rifle to shoot a possibly cancerous mole off of my back?


Yes.  When I did it it didn't so much come off as incinerate.

You should really shoot those sooner.  Those black marks on your skin are stealing your precious bodily fluids and living on the welfare of your body without contributing anything.  Those cells just don't have jobs.  Hell, Ive heard that they can grow huge.  Like if you get one on your leg it can become the size of a c antelope!  You should really stand your ground against them.

Not that I have anything against them.  I got several on me myself.  But they're just generally worthless.
 
2013-09-22 03:48:43 PM  

Doc Lee: And, of course, Pelosi's comment rings true today as much as it rang true when she said it, "We have to pass the bill in order for you to see what's in it away from the fog of controversy." For the GOP, the fog is still very thick, and Skinnyhead's comment further emphasizes that the GOP is unable to see through the fog.


Skinnyhead can't see through the fog because it's actually a giant cloud of smoke being blown out his own ass.
 
2013-09-22 03:52:18 PM  

Karac: TomD9938: After the first a person can wait until something happens before buying into any plan.

You really don't understand how insurance works do you?

If your house is on fire, then sure, an insurance company will be happy to sell you a policy.  Since the only thing it'll cover is the already burned ashes you'll probably get a very reasonable price.

Similarly, you can wait until you're in the ER with a heart attack to buy health insurance.  It just won't cover the ambulance ride, the emergency surgery, the initial hospital stay, or anything else until your paperwork gets through someone's system and your coverage actually starts.


Plus with health insurance you need to wait till the open enrollment period which could be almost 10 months away. For even a "minor" medical issue, you could be in full cardiac arrest from just the ER bill.
 
2013-09-22 03:54:23 PM  
Sorry to threadjack here guys, since I know this question has no bearing what so ever on the story.
But, my clock that stopped working twelve years ago, just gave me the correct time.   Any ideas how that happened?
 
2013-09-22 04:01:43 PM  

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


Christ man, there have been over 40 votes to kill Obamacare.    We get it.  no one is going to accuse the GOP of being willing to do anything about the amount of money we spend on Healthcare.  They are safe.

Also, the have forever recused themselves of all and any praise for when people like it.
 
2013-09-22 04:16:59 PM  

Snapper Carr: SkinnyHead: It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Well, them, the Heritage Foundation, Newt Gingrich and the insurance lobby.

But yeah, it's all the libby libs' fault.


Don't forget Romney who believed the Massachusetts plan should have been implemented nationally.

I wonder what changed his mind on that...
 
2013-09-22 04:18:23 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: It's no more fanatical than the cries of racism every time a white guy opposes something Fartbongo does.  He could be gassing Jews by the millions and if somebody spoke up about it...  RACIST!


This is why I have you favorited. It's like you've been reading my diary. I don't even need to think of my own things to type, because there you are in bright green telling us all how it is.
 
2013-09-22 04:32:27 PM  

sdd2000: Plus with health insurance you need to wait till the open enrollment period which could be almost 10 months away. For even a "minor" medical issue, you could be in full cardiac arrest from just the ER bill.


Or hell, just with a couple thousand bucks of charges just for the tests to even see if you have a serious issue.  Lab work is scarily expensive if you're not insured.
 
2013-09-22 04:38:20 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Or hell, just with a couple thousand bucks of charges just for the tests to even see if you have a serious issue. Lab work is scarily expensive if you're not insured.


If you find yourself admitted to a US hospital and you don't have insurance, it's serious regardless of what your health is...
 
2013-09-22 04:45:47 PM  

Mercutio74: If you find yourself admitted to a US hospital and you don't have insurance, it's serious regardless of what your health is...


Even then, you have a minor issue and need to do blood work just to make sure it's nothing serious?  You're looking at some big charges there.
 
2013-09-22 04:49:30 PM  
two Democrats voted to defund Obamacare: McIntyre (NC) and Matheson (UT)

1 GOPer voted against, Rigell (VA)
 
2013-09-22 04:55:55 PM  

dumbobruni: two Democrats voted to defund Obamacare: McIntyre (NC) and Matheson (UT)

1 GOPer voted against, Rigell (VA)


That's why the majority whip said it was a bipartisan vote.
 
2013-09-22 05:01:41 PM  
But why is health care so expensive in the USA?

http://youtu.be/qSjGouBmo0M
 
2013-09-22 05:10:50 PM  

Somacandra: theknuckler_33: So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?

Because the radicals control the primaries.

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 And that worked out just fine in the General election, as far as I'm concerned.


Doesn't work so well in the House, unfortunately.
 
2013-09-22 05:45:30 PM  
So.

Apparently I've lived long enough to see Bill O go from being the resident lunatic, the shrill, lying, partisan hack on FOX who embodied the worst of all the GOP's propagandists to now being their elder statesman and unofficial voice of reason.

The only one bright enough to see the writing on the wall vis a vis the GOP's continued attempts to defund ACA.

Yeah, me.

As a side note there's no way he went on air with this without Aile's okay. So that means the GOP establishment types, the old school money men are officially at war with the money men backing the teatards.

I find I'm okay with this.
 
2013-09-22 05:52:44 PM  

SkinnyHead: DERP DERP DERP


Just a reminder to everyone.  Skinny's goal his is not to have any type of conversation with anyone here.  He just lobs the stupidest thing he can think of and sits back and watches the entire thread detrail.
 
2013-09-22 05:54:53 PM  

SkinnyHead: coeyagi: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Care to elucidate how it's a trainwreck or are you going to keep playing the role of "Derpy the Wonder Shill" who spouts nonsense without one iota of proof to back it up?

A senior Democratic senator who helped write President Barack Obama's health care law stunned administration officials Wednesday, saying openly he thinks it's headed for a "train wreck."


Did you actually read the link you posted? Basically, it states that people like you are lying liars and the reason the Open Enrollment is being delayed.
 
2013-09-22 07:13:19 PM  
As long as people keep voting for teatards all of this posting is pointless. You want to change things? Drag the dumb bastards out into the streets by the hair and shoot them in their heads with a large caliber pistol.

/drunk
//waiting on dinner
 
2013-09-22 07:35:51 PM  

Fantasta Potamus: I've always believed Bill
O'Reilly believes what he says and is just a general slightly over the top conservative.

He's even said on The Daily Show that he thinks there are a lot of people that are just in it for the money and will say whatever they are paid to. Which I believe he was actually referring to some Fox News people.

He has said the IRS thing is dead and no proof, also now that this is also stupid.

That's why as crazy as it sounds, Bill is the voice of reason on Fox News.


Dude put out a rather sane 'these are your rights' book for kids, too. He's pretty solid sometimes.

But when a talking head is your voice of reason, you've got issues.
 
2013-09-22 07:40:20 PM  

scumshine: As long as people keep voting for teatards all of this posting is pointless. You want to change things? Drag the dumb bastards out into the streets by the hair and shoot them in their heads with a large caliber pistol.

/drunk
//waiting on dinner


You're my kinda scum.
 
2013-09-22 07:46:27 PM  

scumshine: As long as people keep voting for teatards all of this posting is pointless. You want to change things? Drag the dumb bastards out into the streets by the hair and shoot them in their heads with a large caliber pistol.

/drunk
//waiting on dinner


You need to yell at your woman louder. Women love being given strict orders at a high volume in demeaning fashion. It gives them purpose and makes them cook faster.
 
2013-09-22 08:05:18 PM  

SkinnyHead: A senior Democratic senator who helped write President Barack Obama's health care law stunned administration officials Wednesday, saying openly he thinks it's headed for a "train wreck."


C'mon man, at least come up with new lies that haven't been debunked a dozen times over.
 
2013-09-22 08:39:13 PM  

clancifer: NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.

Well said.  I just have to wonder if, and at what point, the Tea Partiers will realize they are being used.  Are they simply not smart enough? Or perhaps too jaded to ever figure it out?


No.....it's this:

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


Deep.....thoughts.
 
2013-09-22 09:05:29 PM  

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


Screenshotted to be repeated five years from now when you're insisting on giving credit to the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney for the PPACA.
 
2013-09-22 09:14:12 PM  
_____: After Rep. _______ (R-__) said "the direction [in _____] has got be changed or it is unwinnable," Rep. _______ (R-__) said Democrats are "basically giving aid and comfort to the enemy." Similarly, when House Speaker ______ called President ______ an "incompetent leader," House Majority Leader ______ (R-_) said ____ "apparently is so caught up in partisan hatred for President ____ that her words are putting American lives at risk."
 
2013-09-22 09:22:53 PM  

Mithiwithi: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Screenshotted to be repeated five years from now when you're insisting on giving credit to the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney for the PPACA.


What? St. Reagan, the Patron Saint of Selling Illegal Weapons to Iran, loved Medicare. He even recorded album about how great socialized medicine is.
 
2013-09-22 09:37:33 PM  

SkinnyHead: coeyagi: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Care to elucidate how it's a trainwreck or are you going to keep playing the role of "Derpy the Wonder Shill" who spouts nonsense without one iota of proof to back it up?

A senior Democratic senator who helped write President Barack Obama's health care law stunned administration officials Wednesday, saying openly he thinks it's headed for a "train wreck."


Yeah, he didn't say it was about the ACA itself, dumbass. He said it was because of concerns over whether the open-enrollment marketplaces will be ready for the projected October 1 rollout, and HHS secretary Sebelius pointed out that they are being delayed because of....lack of funding caused by Republican intransigence in Congress.

You need to read the articles you link to, and not just mine for nifty headlines.
 
2013-09-22 09:49:58 PM  
The plan to "defund Obamacare" is not a Tea Party ploy. It is Heritage Foundation, the group that first came up with Obamacare.

Here, let me quote from the Heritage document itself:

"Defunding Obamacare means attaching a legislative rider to a "must pass" bill (debt limit, annual spending bill, etc.) that prohibits any funds from being spent on any activities to implement or enforce Obamacare."

"Won't adding a provision to defund Obamacare to a "must pass" appropriations bill lead to a government shutdown? Obviously, this will set up a major political confrontation with President Obama."

This is not Tea Party fringe nonsense, this is a full-blown attempt by main-stream Republicans to destroy the functioning of the federal government. There is nothing responsible in their politics.
 
2013-09-22 09:59:24 PM  

Delay: The plan to "defund Obamacare" is not a Tea Party ploy. It is Heritage Foundation, the group that first came up with Obamacare.

Here, let me quote from the Heritage document itself:

"Defunding Obamacare means attaching a legislative rider to a "must pass" bill (debt limit, annual spending bill, etc.) that prohibits any funds from being spent on any activities to implement or enforce Obamacare."

"Won't adding a provision to defund Obamacare to a "must pass" appropriations bill lead to a government shutdown? Obviously, this will set up a major political confrontation with President Obama."

This is not Tea Party fringe nonsense, this is a full-blown attempt by main-stream Republicans to destroy the functioning of the federal government. There is nothing responsible in their politics.


Do you have a link to those Heritage Foundation quotes?

A google search for "Heritage Foundation defund Obamacare" buried me in a tidal wave of derp that put the Great Garbage Avalanche of 2505 to shame.
 
2013-09-22 10:19:58 PM  

Katolu: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Oh, look. The voice of stupidity is here.


I am honestly chomping at the bit for when Obamacare is implemented and DOESN'T bring down every aspect of American life because I cannot WAIT to see if we get the GOP that tries to take credit for it, or the GOP that talks about how EVERYthing else they did is what saved us all.
 
2013-09-22 10:32:57 PM  

max_pooper: Delay: The plan to "defund Obamacare" is not a Tea Party ploy. It is Heritage Foundation, the group that first came up with Obamacare.

Here, let me quote from the Heritage document itself:

"Defunding Obamacare means attaching a legislative rider to a "must pass" bill (debt limit, annual spending bill, etc.) that prohibits any funds from being spent on any activities to implement or enforce Obamacare."

"Won't adding a provision to defund Obamacare to a "must pass" appropriations bill lead to a government shutdown? Obviously, this will set up a major political confrontation with President Obama."

This is not Tea Party fringe nonsense, this is a full-blown attempt by main-stream Republicans to destroy the functioning of the federal government. There is nothing responsible in their politics.

Do you have a link to those Heritage Foundation quotes?

A google search for "Heritage Foundation defund Obamacare" buried me in a tidal wave of derp that put the Great Garbage Avalanche of 2505 to shame.


Sure. Here you go:



Heritage Foundation July 2013
 
2013-09-22 10:39:49 PM  
Quick, add Bill O'Reilly to the list!
 
2013-09-22 10:40:21 PM  

Delay: max_pooper: Delay: The plan to "defund Obamacare" is not a Tea Party ploy. It is Heritage Foundation, the group that first came up with Obamacare.

Here, let me quote from the Heritage document itself:

"Defunding Obamacare means attaching a legislative rider to a "must pass" bill (debt limit, annual spending bill, etc.) that prohibits any funds from being spent on any activities to implement or enforce Obamacare."

"Won't adding a provision to defund Obamacare to a "must pass" appropriations bill lead to a government shutdown? Obviously, this will set up a major political confrontation with President Obama."

This is not Tea Party fringe nonsense, this is a full-blown attempt by main-stream Republicans to destroy the functioning of the federal government. There is nothing responsible in their politics.

Do you have a link to those Heritage Foundation quotes?

A google search for "Heritage Foundation defund Obamacare" buried me in a tidal wave of derp that put the Great Garbage Avalanche of 2505 to shame.

Sure. Here you go:

Heritage Foundation July 2013


Mercy buckets and grassy ass
 
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