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2013-09-22 12:07:09 PM

make me some tea: CorporatePerson: Literally all media that isn't Fox News/talk radio/right wing blogs are tightly controlled liberal propaganda which is why people generally believe that freedom and prosperity are evil and only dream of living a life of poverty.

This is what Republicans actually believe.


And it's hilarious.
 
2013-09-22 12:10:51 PM

Funk Brothers: they would rather the company they work for pay it for them.


I think that may change as high unemployment continues.  If what you say is even true.  Based on my observations within my age group, none of us want healthcare tied to our jobs.  And this is because we've had such shiatty times getting full time jobs that offer healthcare.
 
2013-09-22 12:12:19 PM

Wessoman: make me some tea: CorporatePerson: Literally all media that isn't Fox News/talk radio/right wing blogs are tightly controlled liberal propaganda which is why people generally believe that freedom and prosperity are evil and only dream of living a life of poverty.

This is what Republicans actually believe.

And it's hilarious.


I wish I could laugh more, but since most of my family is like this, it just makes me sad.
 
2013-09-22 12:14:46 PM
I recall when Bill O was THE hardcore right wing extremist wacko. Without changing, he has become an occasional light in the pit of darkness that is the conservative movement in America. How sad.
 
2013-09-22 12:15:34 PM
I'm sure Mr. O'Reilly realizes that the best chance for defunding (or outright repeal) lies with the GOP taking the White House in 2016, and that continued posturing by the House of Representatives on the issue can be counter-productive.
 
2013-09-22 12:20:19 PM
I'm guessing ORLY's accountant told him his net worth is past the FU point, so he doesn't care anymore as long as he's got his.
 
2013-09-22 12:22:44 PM

max_pooper: I recall when Bill O was THE hardcore right wing extremist wacko. Without changing, he has become an occasional light in the pit of darkness that is the conservative movement in America. How sad.


No, Bill O is still a hardcore right wing extremist wacko. He just seems like a beacon of reason because the rest of the party has moved even farther right of him and gotten way more unhinged. I mean, this is how a center right politician like Obama can be elected as a Democrat in this country and the GOP says he is a Socialist.
 
2013-09-22 12:23:07 PM
O'Reilly, you've spent years personally and as part of a news organization dedicated with stroking these crazies.

You have no one to blame but yourself.
 
2013-09-22 12:26:51 PM

Wessoman: max_pooper: I recall when Bill O was THE hardcore right wing extremist wacko. Without changing, he has become an occasional light in the pit of darkness that is the conservative movement in America. How sad.

No, Bill O is still a hardcore right wing extremist wacko. He just seems like a beacon of reason because the rest of the party has moved even farther right of him and gotten way more unhinged. I mean, this is how a center right politician like Obama can be elected as a Democrat in this country and the GOP says he is a Socialist.


Yeah, that's exactly what I said.
 
2013-09-22 12:29:14 PM

HighOnCraic: SkinnyHead: el chip is bored again

 
2013-09-22 12:30:56 PM

SilentStrider: Does this mean that Bill is now conspiring against the GOP, and therefore America?


According to my Republican friend, yes. "He's nuthin but a Democratic sympathizer!"
 
2013-09-22 12:38:52 PM

themindiswatching: johnryan51: Racism. I think they'll lose some steam when the dems put forth a white person.

Unless it's someone like Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren.


i'd vote for a clinton/warren ticket on the stipulation that hillary leave jan 10th. i don't think warren could get elected as the top of the ticket.
 
2013-09-22 12:39:30 PM

Mister Peejay: The irony is that healthcare would be cheaper.


Not mine, it would appear.

I've gotten a couple of letters from my health insurance provider (Medica) saying, essentially, "brace yourself".

In both they cite the requirement to insure people who couldnt be bothered to get coverage until something went horrily wrong.

In retrospect, it looks like those folks made the right call.
 
2013-09-22 12:40:10 PM

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


How does the 2012 presidential election fit into your fantasy?
 
2013-09-22 12:41:30 PM
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Only slightly off topic, does anyone remember when Alex Jones claimed that GW Bush was going to declare martial law, take away our guns, and send us to FEMA camps? And now Obama is going to declare martial law, take away our guns, and send us to FEMA camps? Blow in her face and she'll follow you anywhere.


/oi! you! up there!
 
2013-09-22 12:42:19 PM

NFA: The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.


And when they found out all they paid for is booze, private lap dances for Karl Rove and adult baby sessions with him and Michelle Buchanan, the ragemalt is going to be epoch.
 
2013-09-22 12:43:38 PM
he's not actually saying obamacare is a good thing.  he's just saying "well we can't possibly defund it so let's pick a fight we can win."  its reverse psychology to make the right wingers fight even harder because now they feel like they are the underdog, like they are david fighting against obama's goliath or something.  it's like how many liberals say things like "we can't possibly pass gun control because the gun lobby is too powerful," and it only makes the gun control people want to fight harder.
 
2013-09-22 12:47:32 PM

Bloody William: HighOnCraic: SkinnyHead: el chip is bored again


May as well do my part to get failthread post-frontpage redlighted...
 
2013-09-22 12:48:19 PM

TomD9938: Mister Peejay: The irony is that healthcare would be cheaper.

Not mine, it would appear.

I've gotten a couple of letters from my health insurance provider (Medica) saying, essentially, "brace yourself".

In both they cite the requirement to insure people who couldnt be bothered to get coverage until something went horrily wrong.

In retrospect, it looks like those folks made the right call.


That makes negative sense.  The mandatory insurance requirement is to get that demographic INTO the system.  Getting them into the system will make the insurance company more money, not less.  People who pay but do not get services in return are known as "a big fat profit".  And, as pointed out, they weren't going to buy in until they desperately needed healthcare, so the payOUT is still the same, but now the insurance company gets 1-5-10-20 years of big fat profit.

/still would prefer nationalized healthcare, but this shiat sandwich has less turd on it than the old system
 
2013-09-22 12:53:17 PM
O'Reilly is a condescending arse, but he's not an idiot. He knows when a battle is pointless and when to distance himself from it. He's then able to leverage that distance to try to portray himself as a centrist to the people who haven't figured out what he's about.

Most of the pundits on the right are just playing fiddle to an easy audience that wants to hear a familiar tune. But O'Reilly is the most dangerous of the bunch because he really believes that the tunes he's playing are not just what everyone  wants to hear, but that anyone who doesn't like them is a moral failure.
 
2013-09-22 12:54:18 PM
I'm just fascinated with Bill"s approach to this. It totally weirds me out. Either something just dawned on him or it is just for the money.
 
2013-09-22 12:55:02 PM
"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

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2013-09-22 12:58:33 PM

Mister Peejay: Getting them into the system will make the insurance company more money, not less. People who pay but do not get services in return are known as "a big fat profit". And, as pointed out, they weren't going to buy in until they desperately needed healthcare


I think they know that healthy young people will opt to pay the yearly fine (at a fraction of what coverage would cost).

My most recent letter from my insurer went to great lengths to point out that should I drop my coverage, I'd have to pay a fine.  Translation: "Please dont leave us!"

We'll get single payer eventually.  There's no way this model can hold up for long... and then there'll be just one place to turn.
 
2013-09-22 01:00:53 PM

Mandatory for all Obamacare threads



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2013-09-22 01:02:39 PM

make me some tea: Wessoman: make me some tea: CorporatePerson: Literally all media that isn't Fox News/talk radio/right wing blogs are tightly controlled liberal propaganda which is why people generally believe that freedom and prosperity are evil and only dream of living a life of poverty.

This is what Republicans actually believe.

And it's hilarious.

I wish I could laugh more, but since most of my family is like this, it just makes me sad.


I have colleagues who still refer to CNN as the Clinton News Network.
 
2013-09-22 01:05:08 PM
In addition to wide-spread ignorance about Obamacare (thanks for keeping us infromed, FOX!), about 10-20% of those who oppose Obamacare think it is not liberal enough.

This desperate attempt to sink Obamacare by any means necessary (fear tactics,outright lies, holding the debt ceiling hostage) is because the opponents know that when people start looking into the options, they're going to like it.
 
2013-09-22 01:05:44 PM

theknuckler_33: So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?

Because the radicals control the primaries.


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 And that worked out just fine in the General election, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2013-09-22 01:06:55 PM
When Bill O'Reilly is your pragmatic voice of reason... you're doing something really wrong.
 
2013-09-22 01:07:30 PM
Well the GOP's message is now Health care kills and Guns save lives.
 
2013-09-22 01:11:41 PM

Savage Belief: SilentStrider: Does this mean that Bill is now conspiring against the GOP, and therefore America?

According to my Republican friend, yes. "He's nuthin but a Democratic sympathizer!"


*facepalm*
 
2013-09-22 01:12:21 PM

Smeggy Smurf: It's no more fanatical than the cries of racism every time a white guy opposes something Fartbongo does.  He could be gassing Jews by the millions and if somebody spoke up about it...  RACIST!


Is this the old "if you notice someone being racist then YOU are really the racist" thing in a new package?
 
2013-09-22 01:12:46 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Peter von Nostrand: NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.

We. Are. Done.

Next thread

I know these people are too big to fail, but at some point, they HAVE to go bankrupt in futility.


Yeah, at some point you would think that spending a billion to save a million might be a bad business decision.
 
2013-09-22 01:14:40 PM

TomD9938: I think they know that healthy young people will opt to pay the yearly fine (at a fraction of what coverage would cost).


Dunno.  Most young people I know are scared to death at the idea of not having health insurance.
 
2013-09-22 01:15:43 PM

enderthexenocide: he's not actually saying obamacare is a good thing.  he's just saying "well we can't possibly defund it so let's pick a fight we can win."  its reverse psychology to make the right wingers fight even harder because now they feel like they are the underdog, like they are david fighting against obama's goliath or something.  it's like how many liberals say things like "we can't possibly pass gun control because the gun lobby is too powerful," and it only makes the gun control people want to fight harder.


You sound like you don't pay much attention in the real world to gun legislation.
 
2013-09-22 01:16:11 PM

clkeagle: make me some tea: Wessoman: make me some tea: CorporatePerson: Literally all media that isn't Fox News/talk radio/right wing blogs are tightly controlled liberal propaganda which is why people generally believe that freedom and prosperity are evil and only dream of living a life of poverty.

This is what Republicans actually believe.

And it's hilarious.

I wish I could laugh more, but since most of my family is like this, it just makes me sad.

I have colleagues who still refer to CNN as the Clinton News Network.


Dad?
 
2013-09-22 01:23:04 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Peter von Nostrand: NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.

We. Are. Done.

Next thread

I know these people are too big to fail, but at some point, they HAVE to go bankrupt in futility.


Unlike with the national budget, when it comes to futility, they just raise the debt ceiling.
 
2013-09-22 01:27:09 PM

Somacandra: theknuckler_33: So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?

Because the radicals control the primaries.

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 And that worked out just fine in the General election, as far as I'm concerned.


In the Senate, yes, but the House is so gerrymandered that all these nutters win nomination in districts Republicans can't lose, and that's why the current insanity is happening.
 
2013-09-22 01:29:02 PM
Per wikipedia:
After Harvard, he was hired by The O'Reilly Report in October 1996.

He used to be considered a balanced cultural conservative on Fox news.  Now he is a voice of reason?
 
2013-09-22 01:33:15 PM

Funk Brothers: Defunding Obamacare is going to happen. We defunded the light bulb ban from ever taking effect and people have the freedom to still buy 100 watt light bulbs. We can do the same with Obamacare.

Obama needs to step aside and think about his country first instead of his legacy. Defunding Obamacare might be the best chance for Obama to resign as President.


Smeggy Smurf: It's no more fanatical than the cries of racism every time a white guy opposes something Fartbongo does.  He could be gassing Jews by the millions and if somebody spoke up about it...  RACIST!


Look at them.  Look at them and laugh.
 
2013-09-22 01:33:25 PM

Satanic_Hamster: TomD9938: I think they know that healthy young people will opt to pay the yearly fine (at a fraction of what coverage would cost).

Dunno.  Most young people I know are scared to death at the idea of not having health insurance.


Now, sure, but after the first of the year, why?

After the first a person can wait until something happens before buying into any plan.

Until then, pay the yearly fee out of any tax refund or add it to the tax liability at tax time.

With a little caution and some luck, a person could go nearly a lifetime without ever needing insurance (particularily if they dont mind paying out of pocket for the occasional minor medical costs).
 
2013-09-22 01:35:16 PM

TomD9938: Now, sure, but after the first of the year, why?

After the first a person can wait until something happens before buying into any plan.

Until then, pay the yearly fee out of any tax refund or add it to the tax liability at tax time.

With a little caution and some luck, a person could go nearly a lifetime without ever needing insurance (particularily if they dont mind paying out of pocket for the occasional minor medical costs).


That's not how insurance works.

And minor medical costs can run into hundreds or thousands of dollars just for a few tests, never mind trips to the emergency room.
 
2013-09-22 01:36:24 PM

Mister Peejay: That makes negative sense. The mandatory insurance requirement is to get that demographic INTO the system. Getting them into the system will make the insurance company more money, not less. People who pay but do not get services in return are known as "a big fat profit". And, as pointed out, they weren't going to buy in until they desperately needed healthcare, so the payOUT is still the same, but now the insurance company gets 1-5-10-20 years of big fat profit.


Well, except for the fact that the insurance companies are required to spend 85% of revenues on care.  That leaves precious little for profit, or executive bonuses, or "business trips" to "team building exercises" in Hawaii.  And that's why they're throwing money at the Republicans and the media to try to kill this thing.
 
2013-09-22 01:38:10 PM

Wessoman: No, Bill O is still a hardcore right wing extremist wacko. He just seems like a beacon of reason because the rest of the party has moved even farther right of him and gotten way more unhinged.


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"Seth, there ain't no moderates in the Tea Party. They only seem moderate 'cause they're surrounded by the super-crazy. It's like when a midget stands next to a Smart car. You ain't tall, midget! You just clevah!"
 
2013-09-22 01:39:48 PM

TomD9938: Until then, pay the yearly fee out of any tax refund or add it to the tax liability at tax time


I have a feeling most of us this is geared to have student loans.  If they are like me, that refund money goes towards those loans and other essentials.   And most of us have already had to use healthcare.
 
2013-09-22 01:52:44 PM

Satanic_Hamster: And minor medical costs can run into hundreds or thousands of dollars just for a few tests, never mind trips to the emergency room.


I was referring to setting broken bones, physicals, lancing boils, etc.

If you find yourself in the ER or requiring expensive and elaborate testing, the "little luck" I mentioned has run out.  But then, go ahead and buy into a plan.

Im 44 and have been blessed with good health.

All these years, Id have been a perfect "pay the fine" candidate, and I'd have come out smelling like a rose to this point.
 
2013-09-22 01:53:09 PM

TomD9938: After the first a person can wait until something happens before buying into any plan.


Nope.  Doesn't work that way.  Like most health insurance, there is an open enrollment period.  If you avoid getting health insurance, you can't simply sign up for it when you get sick.  You'll have to wait until the next open enrollment period before getting insurance.  After the initial open enrollment period which starts October 1st and ends March 31, 2014, the next open enrollment period is October 15th and ends December 7th.  Insurance coverage then begins January 1st of the following year.  So, unless you can time getting sick on December 7th, enroll the same day, and have something that can wait to be treated until January 1st, you're screwed.
 
2013-09-22 01:55:31 PM

TomD9938: Satanic_Hamster: TomD9938: I think they know that healthy young people will opt to pay the yearly fine (at a fraction of what coverage would cost).

Dunno.  Most young people I know are scared to death at the idea of not having health insurance.

Now, sure, but after the first of the year, why?

After the first a person can wait until something happens before buying into any plan.


Do you understand the open enrollment period limitations?
 
2013-09-22 01:58:59 PM
sdd2000:  Do you understand the open enrollment period limitations?

Looks like a narrow 6 month window, from what I see.
 
2013-09-22 02:03:27 PM

TomD9938: sdd2000:  Do you understand the open enrollment period limitations?

Looks like a narrow 6 month window, from what I see.


That's the initial open enrollment period only.  Subsequent enrollment periods are less than 2 months (1 month and 22 days).  Again, with insurance coverage not starting until January 1st.
 
2013-09-22 02:05:39 PM

Wessoman: cameroncrazy1984:

2012 never happened for you, did it.

I don't think SkinnyHead has left the 80's


IQ isn't everything.
 
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