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NFA
2013-09-22 07:08:31 AM
FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.
 
2013-09-22 08:29:43 AM

NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.


We. Are. Done.

Next thread
 
2013-09-22 09:10:09 AM

NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.


Well said.  I just have to wonder if, and at what point, the Tea Partiers will realize they are being used.  Are they simply not smart enough? Or perhaps too jaded to ever figure it out?
 
2013-09-22 09:10:23 AM

NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.


If businesses were willing to go to such extremes to avoid paying for insurance we would have nationalized healthcare (which would put them on an equal footing with most their international competition)
 
2013-09-22 09:25:05 AM
This is like watching the Manson family having a fleeting sense of ennui.
 
2013-09-22 09:27:07 AM
When Bill O'Reilly is the voice of reason, y'all have truly gone off the deep end.

Good luck with that, GOPers.
 
2013-09-22 09:49:09 AM

b2theory: NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.

If businesses were willing to go to such extremes to avoid paying for insurance we would have nationalized healthcare (which would put them on an equal footing with most their international competition)


No, this  way they don't have to pay for insurance or the taxes that pay for single-payer healthcare.
 
2013-09-22 09:55:56 AM
The push to defund the national health care law has created a rift between Republicans in Congress. The House voted 230-189 Friday morning to defund Obamacare

Wow. That's a lot of "fanatics." There's 233 Republicans in the House, which means...hmmm...
 
2013-09-22 09:56:31 AM

clancifer: NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.

Well said.  I just have to wonder if, and at what point, the Tea Partiers will realize they are being used.  Are they simply not smart enough? Or perhaps too jaded to ever figure it out?


Racism. I think they'll lose some steam when the dems put forth a white person.
 
2013-09-22 10:02:32 AM

johnryan51: Racism. I think they'll lose some steam when the dems put forth a white person.


Unless it's someone like Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren.
 
2013-09-22 10:04:50 AM
Does this mean that Bill is now conspiring against the GOP, and therefore America?
 
2013-09-22 10:30:36 AM
Once every couple of months Bill O'Reilly says something that could be described as "cogent".
 
2013-09-22 10:50:58 AM

vernonFL: Once every couple of months Bill O'Reilly says something that could be described as "cogent".


He does have an obligation to remain Fair and Balanced, after all.
 
2013-09-22 10:52:54 AM

NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.


Money goes into campaign coffers, bad legislation comes out.  You can't explain that.
 
2013-09-22 11:11:41 AM
Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.
 
2013-09-22 11:11:42 AM

NFA: Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.


While that's how it got started, the continuation seems more from this particular bit of Spencerian Social Darwinism having been adopted by people prone to quasi-religious fanaticism. Even if the Kochs had a "Road to Damascus" moment and started throwing their money entirely to supporting it, they wouldn't be able to derail the GOP insanity until at least after the 2014 midterms, and more likely not before the 2016 presidential election is over.
Even by then, they might only be able to fission the GOP.
 
2013-09-22 11:15:05 AM

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


2012 never happened for you, did it.
 
2013-09-22 11:17:27 AM
SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it. el chip is bored again
 
2013-09-22 11:19:22 AM

Peter von Nostrand: NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.

We. Are. Done.

Next thread


I know these people are too big to fail, but at some point, they HAVE to go bankrupt in futility.
 
2013-09-22 11:22:14 AM

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


Good point.  I hope that the Republican continue to spend time and our nations money attempting to defund Obamacare.  It's good value in the long term.
 
2013-09-22 11:23:56 AM
So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?

Because the radicals control the primaries.
 
2013-09-22 11:24:00 AM

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


Oh, look. The voice of stupidity is here.
 
2013-09-22 11:24:17 AM
Who gives a shiat what this guy thinks?  He's a complete asshole who likes to harass women over the phone while jerking off and farking himself up the ass with a vibrator.
That he's seen as less than a completely rage-fueled narcissistic misogynistic utter failure as a human being is beyond me.
If Bill O'Reilly said the day after Monday is Tuesday, I'd check my farking calendar.
 
2013-09-22 11:25:37 AM

cameroncrazy1984: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

2012 never happened for you, did it.


I don't think SkinnyHead has left the 80's, much less 2012.
 
2013-09-22 11:26:46 AM

clancifer: NFA: FTA:"There's no way Obamacare is going to be defunded," O'Reilly said. "It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because this is a politically motivated initiative created by a bunch of billionaires to cleanse corporations of any responsibly to provide decent wages, safe work conditions, to allow the dumping of toxic waste into the environment, to avoid all taxation or provide health care for their employees.

The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.

Well said.  I just have to wonder if, and at what point, the Tea Partiers will realize they are being used.  Are they simply not smart enough? Or perhaps too jaded to ever figure it out?


Once we are emotionally invested in a conclusion then we are usually blind to conflicting evidence and intelligence just makes us better at rationalization.

this is true for all people and all debates, I watch myself for this constantly in my work.

The day a person puts on a costume and rages in the street is a day when, right or wrong, they are beyond changing their minds based on mere evidence and facts.
 
2013-09-22 11:26:56 AM

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


Oh HI skinnyhead.   Haven't seen you in a while.   Were you ill?  On vacation?  Anyway, it's good to see you're back.  You should see some of these new trolls who have tried to take your place.  They're lame.   Nothing compared to you.   Like I said, it's good to see you're back.
 
2013-09-22 11:30:50 AM

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


Absolutely correct. Similarly, if Obamacare is a success, the Democrats get sole credit.
 
2013-09-22 11:31:00 AM
I've always believed Bill
O'Reilly believes what he says and is just a general slightly over the top conservative.

He's even said on The Daily Show that he thinks there are a lot of people that are just in it for the money and will say whatever they are paid to. Which I believe he was actually referring to some Fox News people.

He has said the IRS thing is dead and no proof, also now that this is also stupid.

That's why as crazy as it sounds, Bill is the voice of reason on Fox News.
 
2013-09-22 11:31:47 AM

SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.


Yea, voters have forgotten that the only people that support Obamacare are the Democrats.

*facepalm*
 
2013-09-22 11:34:00 AM

Baron Harkonnen: Who gives a shiat what this guy thinks?  He's a complete asshole who likes to harass women over the phone while jerking off and farking himself up the ass with a vibrator.
That he's seen as less than a completely rage-fueled narcissistic misogynistic utter failure as a human being is beyond me.
If Bill O'Reilly said the day after Monday is Tuesday, I'd check my farking calendar.


That's the point. A right wing asshole megalomaniac pundit who pleasures himself anally between his outbursts of rage is the voice of reason here.

Just illustrating how far the GOP is counting to Potato with all the talk of shutting down the Government over Obamacare.

Bill O' is at least coherent enough to realize that 2012 was a pretty big mandate on America. Tanking the economy again just to show how much they hate the blah president will pretty much ensure the Republicans lose the house in 2016 as well as the presidency, even with gerrymandered districts.
 
2013-09-22 11:34:34 AM

raerae1980: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Oh HI skinnyhead.   Haven't seen you in a while.   Were you ill?  On vacation?  Anyway, it's good to see you're back.  You should see some of these new trolls who have tried to take your place.  They're lame.   Nothing compared to you.   Like I said, it's good to see you're back.


Ironically enough, the voices and delusions of persecution are covered as pre-existing conditions under the Affordable Care Act

/waves to the alt known as skinnyhead
 
2013-09-22 11:35:04 AM
"It's not gonna happen. So why bother alienating independent americans by embracing a futile exercise?"

Because, as my Republican family members have assured me, Americans just haven't gotten a chance to hear what American conservatives think. Literally all media that isn't Fox News/talk radio/right wing blogs are tightly controlled liberal propaganda which is why people generally believe that freedom and prosperity are evil and only dream of living a life of poverty.

Republicans need to send a message, and if they keep repeating the same message louder and louder over and over again Americans can't ignore it for much longer. Once they finally get to hear Republicans tell them we need to cut government, the Dems will never win the presidency again.

Besides, think of how much freer you'd be if you had no healthcare. It's an argument that can't lose.
 
2013-09-22 11:37:14 AM
Defunding Obamacare is going to happen. We defunded the light bulb ban from ever taking effect and people have the freedom to still buy 100 watt light bulbs. We can do the same with Obamacare.

Obama needs to step aside and think about his country first instead of his legacy. Defunding Obamacare might be the best chance for Obama to resign as President.
 
2013-09-22 11:42:45 AM

Fantasta Potamus: That's why as crazy as it sounds, Bill is the voice of reason on Fox News.


I'm still mildly convinced that Bill is the original Colbert. When you see him on anything but his show, he can be very rational. Bill on Bill's show vs Bill elsewhere can be like two entirely different people.
 
2013-09-22 11:42:45 AM

Funk Brothers: Defunding Obamacare is going to happen. We defunded the light bulb ban from ever taking effect and people have the freedom to still buy 100 watt light bulbs. We can do the same with Obamacare.

Obama needs to step aside and think about his country first instead of his legacy. Defunding Obamacare might be the best chance for Obama to resign as President.


Wait, what?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/improvement/energy-efficient/wh at -you-need-to-know-about-the-lightbulb-law-14789203

Troll subtler, not dumber.
 
2013-09-22 11:43:20 AM

Funk Brothers: Defunding Obamacare is going to happen. We defunded the light bulb ban from ever taking effect and people have the freedom to still buy 100 watt light bulbs. We can do the same with Obamacare.

Obama needs to step aside and think about his country first instead of his legacy. Defunding Obamacare might be the best chance for Obama to resign as President.


Why would Obama resign as President? Especially when most Americans WANT better health coverage?

The 2012 Election happened. What the American people want is far different than what you see our country being. Deal with it.
 
2013-09-22 11:44:53 AM

Funk Brothers: Defunding Obamacare is going to happen. We defunded the light bulb ban from ever taking effect and people have the freedom to still buy 100 watt light bulbs. We can do the same with Obamacare.

Obama needs to step aside and think about his country first instead of his legacy. Defunding Obamacare might be the best chance for Obama to resign as President.


I like skinnyhead better.
 
2013-09-22 11:46:11 AM

Nadie_AZ: Funk Brothers: Defunding Obamacare is going to happen. We defunded the light bulb ban from ever taking effect and people have the freedom to still buy 100 watt light bulbs. We can do the same with Obamacare.

Obama needs to step aside and think about his country first instead of his legacy. Defunding Obamacare might be the best chance for Obama to resign as President.

I like skinnyhead el chip better.

 
2013-09-22 11:46:54 AM
NFA:
The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.

The irony is that healthcare would be cheaper.
 
2013-09-22 11:47:29 AM
O'Reilly is apparently confident that there can't be a teahadist backlash against him.  That raises two possibilities, I think, 1) he's about as arrogantly clueless as the people he's criticizing, or 2) he's maybe not so clueless and has good reason to believe that the self-destructive "always further to the right" teabagger thing is about to dry up and blow away.
 
2013-09-22 11:47:36 AM

SilentStrider: Does this mean that Bill is now conspiring against the GOP, and therefore America?


I thought he got added during Superstorm Sandy when Sarah Palin was on his show.  She went from criticizing Obama for not doing more to criticizing him for not doing enough in the same sentence, and Bill called her out on it.  It was actually pretty awesome.  There were cries of RINO directed at him for like a week after that.
 
2013-09-22 11:48:35 AM

theknuckler_33: SkinnyHead: Whether Republicans succeed in their effort to defund Obamacare or not, the effort is worthwhile because it shows voters once again just exactly who is responsible for the coming trainwreck that is Obamacare.  It shows again that Democrats, in their fanatical support for Obamacare, are solely to blame for it.

Yea, voters have forgotten that the only people that support Obamacare are the Democrats.

*facepalm*


Obama and Congressional Democrats don't just "support" it.  They are fanatical about it. They are intent upon imposing Obamacare on people whether people like it or not.   So when the trainwreck happens, people need to remember just exactly who to blame.
 
2013-09-22 11:50:00 AM
It's no more fanatical than the cries of racism every time a white guy opposes something Fartbongo does.  He could be gassing Jews by the millions and if somebody spoke up about it...  RACIST!
 
2013-09-22 11:51:14 AM

Wessoman: Funk Brothers: Defunding Obamacare is going to happen. We defunded the light bulb ban from ever taking effect and people have the freedom to still buy 100 watt light bulbs. We can do the same with Obamacare.

Obama needs to step aside and think about his country first instead of his legacy. Defunding Obamacare might be the best chance for Obama to resign as President.

Why would Obama resign as President? Especially when most Americans WANT better health coverage?

The 2012 Election happened. What the American people want is far different than what you see our country being. Deal with it.


Americans want better health coverage, but not from the government and they would rather the company they work for pay it for them. The majority of Americans didn't vote for Obama because of Obamacare, they voted cause the other candidates were terrible and the myth that women would be forced back into the kitchen and in dark alleys.
 
2013-09-22 11:52:51 AM

Mister Peejay: NFA:
The Koch brothers have literally spent 100's of millions of dollars to buy the politicians who are pushing for the repeat of or defunding of national healthcare.

The irony is that healthcare would be cheaper.


This got me thinking....
This can't be about a bunch of rich guys wanting to keep their money, can it? Koch Industries spent about 2.2 million dollars on the 2012 elections. Do these guys really pay more than 2.2 million in taxes?

/Really... I have no idea.
//Not a billionaire
///Not even a thousandarie
 
2013-09-22 11:55:34 AM

clancifer: Well said. I just have to wonder if, and at what point, the Tea Partiers will realize they are being used. Are they simply not smart enough? Or perhaps too jaded to ever figure it out?


I don't think they are jaded; I think they're scared.  They have been fed fear for years -think about the real conservative talking heads and their theories - the real crazy stuff like death panels and FEMA camps.  All under control of an illegitimate President who is a Kenyan/Muslim/Socialist/Communist/etc. They're terrified, and people do not tend to think clearly when they're scared.
 
2013-09-22 11:57:24 AM

clancifer:   I just have to wonder if, and at what point, the Tea Partiers will realize they are being used.  Are they simply not smart enough? Or perhaps too jaded to ever figure it out?


"Hellz yeah!  Let's take down the Fed'ral Gubmint!"
(later)
"Hey, what happened to my social security/disability/subsidy/medicare!  Somebody needs to PAY ME!!!"
 
2013-09-22 11:58:57 AM

CorporatePerson: Literally all media that isn't Fox News/talk radio/right wing blogs are tightly controlled liberal propaganda which is why people generally believe that freedom and prosperity are evil and only dream of living a life of poverty.


This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2013-09-22 11:59:11 AM

HighOnCraic: Funk Brothers: Defunding Obamacare is going to happen. We defunded the light bulb ban from ever taking effect and people have the freedom to still buy 100 watt light bulbs. We can do the same with Obamacare.

Obama needs to step aside and think about his country first instead of his legacy. Defunding Obamacare might be the best chance for Obama to resign as President.

Wait, what?

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home/improvement/energy-efficient/wh at -you-need-to-know-about-the-lightbulb-law-14789203

Troll subtler, not dumber.


"LED bulbs are a rapidly emerging substitute for incandescents. These can last up to 25 years and are at least 75 percent more efficient than current incandescent bulbs. And while these bulbs cost more at the moment than CFLs and high-efficiency incandescents (approximately $10 to $30 per bulb), their price is expected to drop quickly as technology improves and the supply and use of the bulbs increase."

I saw LED bulbs at Costco last weekend and they were $6 a piece and a 3-pack for, I think, $15.
 
2013-09-22 12:05:45 PM

Funk Brothers: Wessoman: Funk Brothers: Defunding Obamacare is going to happen. We defunded the light bulb ban from ever taking effect and people have the freedom to still buy 100 watt light bulbs. We can do the same with Obamacare.

Obama needs to step aside and think about his country first instead of his legacy. Defunding Obamacare might be the best chance for Obama to resign as President.

Why would Obama resign as President? Especially when most Americans WANT better health coverage?

The 2012 Election happened. What the American people want is far different than what you see our country being. Deal with it.

Americans want better health coverage, but not from the government and they would rather the company they work for pay it for them. The majority of Americans didn't vote for Obama because of Obamacare, they voted cause the other candidates were terrible and the myth that women would be forced back into the kitchen and in dark alleys.


Actually, many Americans want Single-Payer, a Public Option---So "But not from the government" is actually fud.

And considering what GOP candidates have said and legislated about Rape, Abortion rights, and vaginal ultrasounds, it's hard to "Disprove" that "Myth" you have going there.

And people will take Obama's plan over "Vote for us and we will tell you our healthcare plan later" nonsense.

So, three strikes and you are out in one post? The quality of GOP shills over this issue is lacking. I think even the GOP is giving up on this whole futile effort to defund the Affordable Healthcare Act now.
 
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