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2013-09-22 09:55:36 AM
The family said the motel sent them and other families a letter saying they didn't want children living there anymore because it plans to convert into a 55+ community.

They're not being kicked out for an arbitrary reason.  There's a carve-out in discrimination law for retirement communities.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like there's a weird area when it comes to living in a motel.  It's not a real apartment, but if you're there for months on end, it's not a short stay, either.

That's the legal aspect.  From an interpersonal standpoint, I'd probably give those with kids in school until the end of the school year to move, if it's feasible.
 
2013-09-22 10:31:59 AM

RodneyToady: That's the legal aspect.  From an interpersonal standpoint, I'd probably give those with kids in school until the end of the school year to move, if it's feasible.


It would be feasible and kind and understanding but this is Florida so, it's not going to happen.
 
2013-09-22 10:33:06 AM
It's their hotel, they make the rules. Sorry boutcha.
 
2013-09-22 10:35:12 AM
2 years? Get an apartment or trailer. Gotta be cheaper
 
2013-09-22 10:36:16 AM
How much do these places cost?
 
2013-09-22 10:37:51 AM
Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.
 
2013-09-22 10:40:51 AM

No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.


Because an apartment requires a down payment and a credit check, and if you are really poor living day to day then at no time do you have the money to move into an apartment. Especially if you are paying exurbanite hotel room fees.
 
2013-09-22 10:41:00 AM
FTA:  "It's been a basic business decision to try to help some of these families move off property and get these families into homes where they belong instead of living and growing inside of a hotel," owner Dianna Chane said.

What?
 
2013-09-22 10:41:01 AM

No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.


These hotels are often times cheaper than an apartment.  You can pay by the week and they don't require a credit check.

Fark you and your pathetic contribution to taxes.  Acting like welfare is some sort of windfall make it clear that you don't know what the hell is going on, and you just regurgitate what your inbred brethren spew.

/not mad bro
 
2013-09-22 10:41:51 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: 2 years? Get an apartment or trailer. Gotta be cheaper


Those usually require 1st and last months rent plus a deposit, and utility payments extended stay hotels don't.

namegoeshere: How much do these places cost?


The ones around here are $500 a week.
 
2013-09-22 10:43:03 AM

skankboy: No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

These hotels are often times cheaper than an apartment.  You can pay by the week and they don't require a credit check.

Fark you and your pathetic contribution to taxes.  Acting like welfare is some sort of windfall make it clear that you don't know what the hell is going on, and you just regurgitate what your inbred brethren spew.

/not mad bro


Really, what a douchebag.
 
2013-09-22 10:45:03 AM

Tom_Slick: namegoeshere: How much do these places cost?

The ones around here are $500 a week.


Holy shiat.
 
2013-09-22 10:45:43 AM
I've seen them as low as $170 a week near the airport in Orlando.
 
2013-09-22 10:46:26 AM

Tom_Slick: Mid_mo_mad_man: 2 years? Get an apartment or trailer. Gotta be cheaper

Those usually require 1st and last months rent plus a deposit, and utility payments extended stay hotels don't.

namegoeshere: How much do these places cost?

The ones around here are $500 a week.


This is is $150 a farking WEEK.  $600/month for room, utilities, wifi, pool, free local phone and maid service (one a week I would guess).  That sounds like a farking deal to me.

http://homesuitehome.com/specials-extendedstay.php
 
2013-09-22 10:47:25 AM

No Such Agency:  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.


You must be checking the wrong boxes on your tax forms or something. All my taxes go to NASA, infrastructure, and education. (50/30/20%). No one to blame but yourself, buddy.
 
2013-09-22 10:49:18 AM

wingnut396: Tom_Slick: Mid_mo_mad_man: 2 years? Get an apartment or trailer. Gotta be cheaper

Those usually require 1st and last months rent plus a deposit, and utility payments extended stay hotels don't.

namegoeshere: How much do these places cost?

The ones around here are $500 a week.

This is is $150 a farking WEEK.  $600/month for room, utilities, wifi, pool, free local phone and maid service (one a week I would guess).  That sounds like a farking deal to me.

http://homesuitehome.com/specials-extendedstay.php


That is cheap, not being in the market, I was going off the signs in the Sandy Springs area of Atlanta.
 
2013-09-22 10:53:56 AM

Tom_Slick: Mid_mo_mad_man: 2 years? Get an apartment or trailer. Gotta be cheaper

Those usually require 1st and last months rent plus a deposit, and utility payments extended stay hotels don't.

namegoeshere: How much do these places cost?

The ones around here are $500 a week


$500/week is hardly a deal.  They clearly are guilty of mismanaging the free money they are given if they chose to spend that on a hotel room.  My mortgage on a 4bd 2 bath house in CA is only $1400/month.  Throw in taxes, garbage service and such and its probably close to their 2k/month but at least its god some space, is appropriate for children and actually intended for long term residence.
 
2013-09-22 10:54:31 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: 2 years? Get an apartment or trailer. Gotta be cheaper


I imagine these hotel-cum-apartments are attractive options for those people who can't seem to scrounge up a depost plus first and last month's rent, not to mention deposits on variuos utilities.  They pay for one month up front and immediately have a shelter, electricity, water, gas, cable, etc.
 
2013-09-22 10:54:32 AM

wingnut396: Tom_Slick: Mid_mo_mad_man: 2 years? Get an apartment or trailer. Gotta be cheaper

Those usually require 1st and last months rent plus a deposit, and utility payments extended stay hotels don't.

namegoeshere: How much do these places cost?

The ones around here are $500 a week.

This is is $150 a farking WEEK.  $600/month for room, utilities, wifi, pool, free local phone and maid service (one a week I would guess).  That sounds like a farking deal to me.

http://homesuitehome.com/specials-extendedstay.php


You are living in a hotel room. I mean, yea, that's a cheap hotel room, but think about LIVING in a hotel room. Check out the photo gallery. It looked like they have a fridge and a microwave... but I didn't see a stove.
 
2013-09-22 10:55:32 AM
Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.
 
2013-09-22 10:56:15 AM
I am not sympathetic to these folks at all. If you want a permanent place to live get a house, apartment, trailer or motor home.  If the hotel wants to kick you out you don't get any significant notice.  That is just the way it is.  They knew, or should have known, that when them moved in.
 
2013-09-22 10:57:53 AM

Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.


Those are places with a credit check, without a credit check gets you first last and a deposit equal to one months rent.
 
2013-09-22 10:58:18 AM
I'd like it if the meth dealers across the way would tell the motorcycle gang to stop driving the hogs up to the door. At 2am.
 
2013-09-22 10:59:16 AM

Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.


In SoCal, we paid $4,400 to move into an apartment.  When we moved to Georgia, we only had to fork over $1,700 to get into a place.  Neither of those values includes utility deposits (which we didn't have to pay because we have immaculate credit).
 
2013-09-22 10:59:30 AM

Ima4nic8or: Tom_Slick: Mid_mo_mad_man: 2 years? Get an apartment or trailer. Gotta be cheaper

Those usually require 1st and last months rent plus a deposit, and utility payments extended stay hotels don't.

namegoeshere: How much do these places cost?

The ones around here are $500 a week

$500/week is hardly a deal.  They clearly are guilty of mismanaging the free money they are given if they chose to spend that on a hotel room.  My mortgage on a 4bd 2 bath house in CA is only $1400/month.  Throw in taxes, garbage service and such and its probably close to their 2k/month but at least its god some space, is appropriate for children and actually intended for long term residence.


Where in the article does it state they are paying with "free money," plenty of members of the working poor also have difficulty coming up with the money and credit for an apartment. In fact if they were connected to services they would probably be in Section 8.
 
2013-09-22 10:59:54 AM

skankboy: No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

These hotels are often times cheaper than an apartment.  You can pay by the week and they don't require a credit check.

Fark you and your pathetic contribution to taxes.  Acting like welfare is some sort of windfall make it clear that you don't know what the hell is going on, and you just regurgitate what your inbred brethren spew.

/not mad bro


Welfare does nothing more than keep people on welfare.
 
2013-09-22 11:01:13 AM

FizixJunkee: Neither of those values includes utility deposits (which we didn't have to pay because we have immaculate credit).


Your apartment must have been on GA power, the EMCs around here require a deposit for anyone renting.
 
2013-09-22 11:02:03 AM

Ima4nic8or: I am not sympathetic to these folks at all.


That's because you  don't have the slightest idea what it's like to be poor.  Well, that and your complete lack of empathy.  Go enjoy your bitterness.
 
2013-09-22 11:02:04 AM

Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.


Interesting. I've lived in 4 different apartments in my life and every single one of them, the security deposit was one month's rent. And I think all of them (definitely 3) required last month's rent too. So, yea, I needed three months rent to move in.
 
2013-09-22 11:05:09 AM

Gentoolive: skankboy: No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

These hotels are often times cheaper than an apartment.  You can pay by the week and they don't require a credit check.

Fark you and your pathetic contribution to taxes.  Acting like welfare is some sort of windfall make it clear that you don't know what the hell is going on, and you just regurgitate what your inbred brethren spew.

/not mad bro

Welfare does nothing more than keep people on welfare.


derp
 
2013-09-22 11:06:50 AM

Gentoolive: skankboy: No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

These hotels are often times cheaper than an apartment.  You can pay by the week and they don't require a credit check.

Fark you and your pathetic contribution to taxes.  Acting like welfare is some sort of windfall make it clear that you don't know what the hell is going on, and you just regurgitate what your inbred brethren spew.

/not mad bro

Welfare does nothing more than keep people on welfare.


Yeah, better to let people starve out on the street.
 
2013-09-22 11:09:04 AM

theknuckler_33: wingnut396: Tom_Slick: Mid_mo_mad_man: 2 years? Get an apartment or trailer. Gotta be cheaper

Those usually require 1st and last months rent plus a deposit, and utility payments extended stay hotels don't.

namegoeshere: How much do these places cost?

The ones around here are $500 a week.

This is is $150 a farking WEEK.  $600/month for room, utilities, wifi, pool, free local phone and maid service (one a week I would guess).  That sounds like a farking deal to me.

http://homesuitehome.com/specials-extendedstay.php

You are living in a hotel room. I mean, yea, that's a cheap hotel room, but think about LIVING in a hotel room. Check out the photo gallery. It looked like they have a fridge and a microwave... but I didn't see a stove.


Not to pick on you guys specifically, but this conversation reminds me of the thread we had a month or so back about those guys living in a NYC 'storage' unit. With all the trash and bugs and stuff everyone was saying "How can they live like that?" (sound familiar?) And the answer was "It's better than living homeless on the streets." This is just the next step up. The storage unit was better than nothing, and the motel room is better than the storage unit. It isn't pleasant to think about, but people do what they have to do in order to survive.

/the only dick move that I see here is kicking out that lady and girl on short notice
//OMG a CHILDS was at TEH POOLZ!!!! P.A.N.I.C.!!!
 
2013-09-22 11:10:31 AM

theknuckler_33: Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.

Interesting. I've lived in 4 different apartments in my life and every single one of them, the security deposit was one month's rent. And I think all of them (definitely 3) required last month's rent too. So, yea, I needed three months rent to move in.


I've lived in 3 different apartments in my life (only one of which required a credit check) and all of them only required deposit plus first month's rent. For one the deposit was one month rent (amusingly enough considering the discussion, this was the one with a credit check) and for the other two the deposit was about half a month's rent.
 
2013-09-22 11:13:52 AM
Interesting. I've lived in 4 different apartments in my life and every single one of them, the security deposit was one month's rent. And I think all of them (definitely 3) required last month's rent too. So, yea, I needed three months rent to move in.

I suspect rental fees might be determined based on state laws. Most of the places I rented in Michigan asked for first month's rent and a security deposit equal to a month's rent. I've been in Dallas for a few years now, and the 3 places we've rented so far have each asked for first month's rent and a $150 security deposit (which we've been able to waive each time because my husband works at the local large university).

It's been nice not having to cough up a couple thousand dollars to move someplace new, and I don't why more people can't understand how difficult it is for people living paycheck to paycheck to save up that kind of money to improve their living situation.
 
2013-09-22 11:16:38 AM
As someone who's currently living out of his car, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2013-09-22 11:16:39 AM

DigitalCoffee: theknuckler_33: You are living in a hotel room. I mean, yea, that's a cheap hotel room, but think about LIVING in a hotel room. Check out the photo gallery. It looked like they have a fridge and a microwave... but I didn't see a stove.

Not to pick on you guys specifically, but this conversation reminds me of the thread we had a month or so back about those guys living in a NYC 'storage' unit. With all the trash and bugs and stuff everyone was saying "How can they live like that?" (sound familiar?) And the answer was "It's better than living homeless on the streets." This is just the next step up. The storage unit was better than nothing, and the motel room is better than the storage unit. It isn't pleasant to think about, but people do what they have to do in order to survive.


Oh, I agree 100%. My post was really just refuting the idea that living in the motel was a 'deal' as if it is better than a regular apartment or something. Hell, even the studio apartment my brother had years ago had a full kitchen even if it was just 'against that wall over there'. I don't see anyone getting by in a regular apartment 'down-sizing' to a motel room as a way of saving money.

/the only dick move that I see here is kicking out that lady and girl on short notice
//OMG a CHILDS was at TEH POOLZ!!!! P.A.N.I.C.!!!


I'm sure it is a liability issue in our litigious society. I'm guessing they don't have a lifeguard.
 
2013-09-22 11:17:44 AM
The family said the motel sent them and other families a letter saying they didn't want children living there anymore because it plans to convert into a 55+ community.

I'm going to start a company there that fires people on their 55th birthday. We are a 54- community! Get out!
 
2013-09-22 11:18:05 AM

Gentoolive: It's their hotel, they make the rules. Sorry boutcha.


This
 
2013-09-22 11:22:19 AM
urbanexotic:
It's been nice not having to cough up a couple thousand dollars to move someplace new, and I don't why more people can't understand how difficult it is for people living paycheck to paycheck to save up that kind of money to improve their living situation.

About half of Americans can't come up with $2,000 within thirty days.  If you're earning poverty wages and get very short notice to move out and find a new place, you're screwed.  If half of all Americans can't come up with the equivalent of a security deposit + rent within a thirty day window, then imagine how tough it must be for the working poor.

I'm surprised more people aren't living in storage units and long-term hotels.
 
2013-09-22 11:27:05 AM

Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.


It cost us close to $1,800 to move into our current apartment. We had to pay first & last, plus a security deposit (over $200). It would have been more had we not opted to sign a lease instead of going with a rental agreement.
 
2013-09-22 11:27:23 AM

Gentoolive: skankboy: No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

These hotels are often times cheaper than an apartment.  You can pay by the week and they don't require a credit check.

Fark you and your pathetic contribution to taxes.  Acting like welfare is some sort of windfall make it clear that you don't know what the hell is going on, and you just regurgitate what your inbred brethren spew.

/not mad bro

Welfare does nothing more than keep people on welfare.


That's a feature, not a bug.
 
2013-09-22 11:29:51 AM
Orlando and much of Florida have tons of empty homes that make many neighborhoods look like they have been hit by a plague they are so empty, this is from the housing crisis and all of its over building.

Even in Ocala, where I love there are many signs out for no credit check rentals, because the owners, the banks, would rather get a little money back and have someone living there so the AC and the ductwork do not get stolen.

400 bucks a month for plenty of nice two bedrooms.
 
2013-09-22 11:31:12 AM

FizixJunkee: urbanexotic:
It's been nice not having to cough up a couple thousand dollars to move someplace new, and I don't why more people can't understand how difficult it is for people living paycheck to paycheck to save up that kind of money to improve their living situation.

About half of Americans can't come up with $2,000 within thirty days.  If you're earning poverty wages and get very short notice to move out and find a new place, you're screwed.  If half of all Americans can't come up with the equivalent of a security deposit + rent within a thirty day window, then imagine how tough it must be for the working poor.

I'm surprised more people aren't living in storage units and long-term hotels.


It's coming.  The selfsame assholes here who keep burbling about how those poors are badly managing money they don't have will hopefully be put in the same position shortly.

But then again, those selfsame a-holes will then cry about how they are being oppressed and they don't deserve such and will learn nothing.
 
2013-09-22 11:33:55 AM

No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.


Because you are poor.

It costs a lot to be poor.
 
2013-09-22 11:33:58 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Gentoolive: It's their hotel, they make the rules. Sorry boutcha.

This


Keep licking them boots, slave...
 
2013-09-22 11:35:01 AM
Gentoolive:

WelfareWalmart does nothing more than keep people on welfare.

FTFY
 
2013-09-22 11:35:01 AM

DigitalCoffee: /the only dick move that I see here is kicking out that lady and girl on short notice
//OMG a CHILDS was at TEH POOLZ!!!! P.A.N.I.C.!!!


Right.  The dick move wasn't breaking the rules, it was enforcing them.  It's better to reinforce the idea there are no consequences.  I bet that rule is in place not for safety or to limit liability but just because the hotel's owner hates the sound of children's laughter.
 
2013-09-22 11:39:04 AM

picturescrazy: Gentoolive: skankboy: No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

These hotels are often times cheaper than an apartment.  You can pay by the week and they don't require a credit check.

Fark you and your pathetic contribution to taxes.  Acting like welfare is some sort of windfall make it clear that you don't know what the hell is going on, and you just regurgitate what your inbred brethren spew.

/not mad bro

Welfare does nothing more than keep people on welfare.

Yeah, better to let people starve out on the street.


It's like I said in another thread -- liberals are worried that there's someone out there who needs help but isn't getting it, while conservatives are worried that there's someone out there who is getting help but doesn't DESERVE it.

This is why they hate the fact that single moms can get food stamps but don't even bat an eyelid at oil companies getting welfare or corporate farms getting paid to not grow food.
 
2013-09-22 11:40:31 AM
Ahh...the only form of legal housing discrimination that I can think of strikes again. I still wonder how age discrimination in housing can be legal and then I remember old people vote and the AARP has a powerful lobby.
 
2013-09-22 11:42:29 AM

Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.


First and last months rent is common in low rent buildings especially for tenants who can't pass a credit check.
 
2013-09-22 11:42:44 AM
So what is the remedy to the situation? Legislation banning a hotel from kicking out a guest with children without "x" amount of days notice?
 
2013-09-22 11:45:17 AM
No goddamn hero tag?
 
2013-09-22 11:45:33 AM
sendtodave:
It costs a lot to be poor.

This bears repeating
 
2013-09-22 11:45:51 AM
According to their website, their rates start at $149/week, which is ~ $650/month ($149 x 52 weeks / 12), not including hotel taxes. A quick scan of Orlando Craig's List shows that this is actually comparable to rents in the Orlando region, plus there is no security deposit required. All things considered, it's actually not in a bad part of the area - the Kissimmee location is right next to Disneyworld and the pool looks actually pretty nice. This isn't the Ritz or anything, but I've stayed in worse. Their downtown location doesn't look at night. I'm sure the rates for the Kissimmee location go up quite a bit during the tourist season.
 
2013-09-22 11:45:55 AM
They tried this years ago in Virginia Beach with an "adult only" complex. Some guys ex took off and left the child with him, never to return. The complex tried to evict him because of the adults only rule, only to be overturned by the court because the complex was discriminating against him because he had a child.
So no, I don't think they can get away with it.
 
2013-09-22 11:47:11 AM
Take their food stamps away too. That'll teach them.
 
2013-09-22 11:47:48 AM

Igor Jakovsky: Ahh...the only form of legal housing discrimination that I can think of strikes again. I still wonder how age discrimination in housing can be legal and then I remember old people vote and the AARP has a powerful lobby.


Eh, they can have their 55+ communities. Most of the old retired neighbors I've had have been a giant pain in the ass that worry about what you're doing on your own side of the fence and whether your kids toy's happen to get left in the yard. I imagine a neighborhood filled with old folks would be a really depressing place to live.
 
2013-09-22 11:48:46 AM

No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.


Because they don't have a car to live in
 
2013-09-22 11:50:04 AM

buzzcut73: Igor Jakovsky: Ahh...the only form of legal housing discrimination that I can think of strikes again. I still wonder how age discrimination in housing can be legal and then I remember old people vote and the AARP has a powerful lobby.

Eh, they can have their 55+ communities. Most of the old retired neighbors I've had have been a giant pain in the ass that worry about what you're doing on your own side of the fence and whether your kids toy's happen to get left in the yard. I imagine a neighborhood filled with old folks would be a really depressing place to live.


Toys. Not possessive. I -never- do that and am now annoyed with myself.
 
2013-09-22 11:51:57 AM

cig-mkr: They tried this years ago in Virginia Beach with an "adult only" complex. Some guys ex took off and left the child with him, never to return. The complex tried to evict him because of the adults only rule, only to be overturned by the court because the complex was discriminating against him because he had a child.
So no, I don't think they can get away with it.


The courts have ruled 55+ no children communities are legal, because the residents are beyond child bearing years or something like that.
 
2013-09-22 11:52:27 AM
I can only hope this is a follow up to the "Bridezilla" story from the earlier thread.
 
2013-09-22 11:52:37 AM

Gentoolive: Welfare does nothing more than keep people on welfare.


Welfare keeps people alive as they look for a job or a better one.
 
2013-09-22 11:53:51 AM

DoomPaul: So what is the remedy to the situation? Legislation banning a hotel from kicking out a guest with children without "x" amount of days notice?


tighter rules about how much land lords can charge for security deposits and move in fees. Government services that help people find affordable housing and deal with the logistics of moving(getting utilities started etc) and access to safe and affordable low income housing that's close enough to grocery stores and jobs.
 
2013-09-22 11:54:53 AM
This clearly falls under the "too bad, so sad" rules.
 
2013-09-22 11:55:46 AM

Gentoolive: skankboy: No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

These hotels are often times cheaper than an apartment.  You can pay by the week and they don't require a credit check.

Fark you and your pathetic contribution to taxes.  Acting like welfare is some sort of windfall make it clear that you don't know what the hell is going on, and you just regurgitate what your inbred brethren spew.

/not mad bro

Welfare does nothing more than keep people on welfare.


Adults are talking, shut the fark up as you're too stupid to contribute.
 
2013-09-22 11:57:30 AM
I despise 55+ communities.

Rot together, you youth hating tax dodgers
 
2013-09-22 11:58:12 AM
What's with senior communities anyway? "I want to live near a lot of other people who are about to die". The whole concept seems depressing.
 
2013-09-22 12:01:36 PM

Mugato: What's with senior communities anyway? "I want to live near a lot of other people who are about to die". The whole concept seems depressing.


everybody drives 15mph under the speed limit, nobody plays any of that damned rap music and canasta Tuesdays at the community center.
 
2013-09-22 12:02:04 PM
I bet the hotel room has a tv, refrigerator, and AC.

If these people can't even afford a proper place to live, how can they deserve luxuries like these and children?
 
2013-09-22 12:02:34 PM

No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.


You're also making a assumption that this is their choice and that "welfare" (which was abolished during the Clinton administration) pays enough for a mortgage or a apartment. Can you imagine the shiatstorm we'd hear from the Teahadists if it did?

Anyway temporary housing assistance (HUD, Section 8) is $750 a month max. That's if they even qualify, which they probably don't or they'd have an apartment or public housing, which is at a 99% occupancy rate btw.

The economy is still shiat.
 
2013-09-22 12:03:04 PM
Being young (relatively) and trying to find a home or apartment here in coastal FL farking sucks. You finally find a listing that's in a decent area and in your price range and you cal up and "Oh, we're a senior lifestyle community. 55+."

Another reason I can't wait to abandon this shiathole of a state. It's yours Mexicans, old people, and transplants from NY.
 
2013-09-22 12:03:21 PM

buzzcut73: Igor Jakovsky: Ahh...the only form of legal housing discrimination that I can think of strikes again. I still wonder how age discrimination in housing can be legal and then I remember old people vote and the AARP has a powerful lobby.

Eh, they can have their 55+ communities. Most of the old retired neighbors I've had have been a giant pain in the ass that worry about what you're doing on your own side of the fence and whether your kids toy's happen to get left in the yard. I imagine a neighborhood filled with old folks would be a really depressing place to live.


It's not just the 55+ crowd that have an issue with parents that allow their children to use the neighborhood as their playground.  If parents want their kids to burn energy they can use their backyard or take them to a park.  Raising children is not a communal responsibility.  Landscaping, broken windows and car dents and scratches are expensive.
 
2013-09-22 12:03:50 PM

Mugato: What's with senior communities anyway? "I want to live near a lot of other people who are about to die".


No, you don't.

That's why they're segregated.

/ Also Florida has no ice floes for pushing them out to sea.
 
2013-09-22 12:04:00 PM

Vtimlin: This clearly falls under the "too bad, so sad" rules.


shut up while the big kids are talking
 
2013-09-22 12:04:16 PM

Voiceofreason01: DoomPaul: So what is the remedy to the situation? Legislation banning a hotel from kicking out a guest with children without "x" amount of days notice?

tighter rules about how much land lords can charge for security deposits and move in fees. Government services that help people find affordable housing and deal with the logistics of moving(getting utilities started etc) and access to safe and affordable low income housing that's close enough to grocery stores and jobs.


Why do you hate the free market?
 
2013-09-22 12:04:40 PM
Chibi Shinigami:
I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit.

Previous trolling aside, I think this is extremely unusual.  I've (in Ontario) never had to pay a "security deposit" but first and last is always up front (on the upside your last month there is paid for, it's not like the money disappears).  It's a huge barrier to affordable housing for very poor people.


Mugato:
What's with senior communities anyway? "I want to live near a lot of other people who are about to die". The whole concept seems depressing.

Old people have a lot of sex with other old people.  Seniors neighborhoods make it convenient to pop over to visit your neighbour for a little of her "home cooking".
 
2013-09-22 12:05:00 PM
"We've never had a problem, they've never said nothing until now," Cusano said.

Translation: We receive letters from management at least once a month about how the kids disturb other patrons.
 
2013-09-22 12:05:12 PM

Tom_Slick: cig-mkr: They tried this years ago in Virginia Beach with an "adult only" complex. Some guys ex took off and left the child with him, never to return. The complex tried to evict him because of the adults only rule, only to be overturned by the court because the complex was discriminating against him because he had a child.
So no, I don't think they can get away with it.

The courts have ruled 55+ no children communities are legal, because the residents are beyond child bearing years or something like that.


Yeah, I'm sure it is now, like I said that was years ago. We must be PC and all.
And besides, a naked 55+ woman is birth control enough to prevent child bearing.
I should know I'm three score and nine years old.
 
2013-09-22 12:05:28 PM

meat0918: I despise 55+ communities.

Rot together, you youth hating tax dodgers


I don't get the 'tax dodgers' part. What is that a reference to?
 
2013-09-22 12:06:02 PM
fozziewazzi:

It's not just the 55+ crowd that have an issue with parents that allow their children to use the neighborhood as their playground.  If parents want their kids to burn energy they can use their backyard or take them to a park.  Raising children is not a communal responsibility.  Landscaping, broken windows and car dents and scratches are expensive.

Sorry, I was talking about my own yard, not the neighbor's yard. I don't let my kids go mess around on other people's property, and there would be hell to pay if they damaged somebody else's car or windows.
 
2013-09-22 12:06:17 PM

fozziewazzi: buzzcut73: Igor Jakovsky: Ahh...the only form of legal housing discrimination that I can think of strikes again. I still wonder how age discrimination in housing can be legal and then I remember old people vote and the AARP has a powerful lobby.

Eh, they can have their 55+ communities. Most of the old retired neighbors I've had have been a giant pain in the ass that worry about what you're doing on your own side of the fence and whether your kids toy's happen to get left in the yard. I imagine a neighborhood filled with old folks would be a really depressing place to live.

It's not just the 55+ crowd that have an issue with parents that allow their children to use the neighborhood as their playground.  If parents want their kids to burn energy they can use their backyard or take them to a park.  Raising children is not a communal responsibility.  Landscaping, broken windows and car dents and scratches are expensive.


Haha! I love it.

Kids today are fat blobs that never leave the house. Poor parenting.

Except sometimes kids leave the house and cause trouble. Poor parenting.
 
2013-09-22 12:06:44 PM

theknuckler_33: meat0918: I despise 55+ communities.

Rot together, you youth hating tax dodgers

I don't get the 'tax dodgers' part. What is that a reference to?


They typically get a deferment or lower taxes in these places on property taxes.

Then they biatch about how bad city government is, the roads suck, and back in their day the schools were great.
 
2013-09-22 12:07:11 PM

TinyFist: No Such Agency:  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

You must be checking the wrong boxes on your tax forms or something. All my taxes go to NASA, infrastructure, and education. (50/30/20%). No one to blame but yourself, buddy.


I remember, YEARS ago hearing that the book on how to make regulation brownies in the marines was over 100 pages long and thinking "Fark yah! That's where I want MY taxes to go."
 
2013-09-22 12:07:30 PM

Mugato: What's with senior communities anyway? "I want to live near a lot of other people who are about to die". The whole concept seems depressing.


They're profitable.  You'll get a loss less wear/tear on the apartment and fixtures when you've got senior citizen renters.

Seniors don't so much want to live with other seniors than not wanting to live around other people's kids.
 
2013-09-22 12:08:29 PM

No Such Agency: Mugato:
What's with senior communities anyway? "I want to live near a lot of other people who are about to die". The whole concept seems depressing.

Old people have a lot of sex with other old people.  Seniors neighborhoods make it convenient to pop over to visit your neighbour for a little of her "home cooking".


I could have happily lived out the rest of my life without that visual.
 
2013-09-22 12:09:35 PM
fozziewazzi:

It's not just the 55+ crowd that have an issue with parents that allow their children to use the neighborhood as their playground.  If parents want their kids to burn energy they can use their backyard or take them to a park.  Raising children is not a communal responsibility.  Landscaping, broken windows and car dents and scratches are expensive.

So, no free-range childrearing in your neighborhood?

"It was good enough us when we were growing up, but no farking way are we going to allow it for this youngest generation!"
 
2013-09-22 12:12:46 PM

fozziewazzi: Seniors don't so much want to live with other seniors than not wanting to live around other people's kids.


I don't like kids either but the day I get so crotchety about it that I have to live in a separate community of other crotchety people is the day I wish I had died young in a tragic blimp accident rather than grow that old.
 
2013-09-22 12:14:30 PM

Ambivalence: I remember, YEARS ago hearing that the book on how to make regulation brownies in the marines was over 100 pages long and thinking "Fark yah! That's where I want MY taxes to go."


Sounds legit.

Excellent basis for deciding how to vote.
 
2013-09-22 12:14:34 PM
Living at a hotel is like the living-situation equivalent of pay-day loans.  Once you fall into that trap, how do you expect to ever find your way out again?
 
2013-09-22 12:18:58 PM

namegoeshere: How much do these places cost?


They accept section 8 vouchers. A lot of seedier hotels and motels have taken to doing it as a way to ensure a steady cash flow.
 
2013-09-22 12:20:28 PM
I lived in a Hilton for about 6 months once.
 
2013-09-22 12:20:42 PM

Mugato: Old people have a lot of sex with other old people. Seniors neighborhoods make it convenient to pop over to visit your neighbour for a little of her "home cooking".

I could have happily lived out the rest of my life without that visual.


lh6.googleusercontent.com

/ Sleep tight!
 
2013-09-22 12:21:58 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Living at a hotel is like the living-situation equivalent of pay-day loans.  Once you fall into that trap, how do you expect to ever find your way out again?


Well, you'll bust your ass at work, put in your time, help grow the organization, and then when a higher paying position opens up, they'll hire someone from outside or just put the boss's son in that position, and then the next day you'll clear out the office with a couple handguns and a 12-gauge and then kill yourself in the ensuing standoff, and that payday loan debt will be passed off to a debt collection agency who will then go after your family for it.
 
2013-09-22 12:24:16 PM

divx88: I lived in a Hilton for about 6 months once.


Did you get your shots?
 
2013-09-22 12:24:58 PM

Cataholic: Gentoolive: skankboy: No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

These hotels are often times cheaper than an apartment.  You can pay by the week and they don't require a credit check.

Fark you and your pathetic contribution to taxes.  Acting like welfare is some sort of windfall make it clear that you don't know what the hell is going on, and you just regurgitate what your inbred brethren spew.

/not mad bro

Welfare does nothing more than keep people on welfare.

That's a feature, not a bug.


Like your lack of empathy?
 
2013-09-22 12:26:26 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Living at a hotel is like the living-situation equivalent of pay-day loans.  Once you fall into that trap, how do you expect to ever find your way out again?


Back in 2005 I was working at a hotel, and I came on with the new owners as they tried to clean up the place. I had to turn away families looking for that because the boss said "No".  The old owner of the place had made it into a place you could get a room for $10 and your EBT card as deposit, the last stop on your way down before having to head to the homeless shelter or getting a cardboard box.  He had a few rooms off to the side that he didn't care about, and needed to be completely gutted and redone by the new owners.  Blood, shiat, urine, vomit, used needles.  I wouldn't be surprised if someone had cooked meth in one of them.   I got out of that job and into a better one after only 3 months there.

We found a huge collection these EBT cards and driver's licenses the old owner had collected. I came in the next day and the new owner had tossed them in the dumpster.

We had Katrina refugees (in Oregon), a family down on their luck, recovering meth addicts, and a fat guy that tried to lure me into his place to "work on his computer" all living there on weekly rents ($100-150 per week).  Those were raised weekly until they couldn't afford it and had to move.

It was quite the eye opening experience.
 
2013-09-22 12:29:35 PM

Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.


homesuitehome.com

I get the feeling that the bathroom is doing double duty as the kitchen.  Or vice versa.  Either way, ew.
 
2013-09-22 12:33:40 PM

Mugato: divx88: I lived in a Hilton for about 6 months once.

Did you get your shots?


Yup, got my shots and I was allowed to play in the pool.
 
2013-09-22 12:36:32 PM

ApatheticMonkey: Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.

[homesuitehome.com image 400x240]

I get the feeling that the bathroom is doing double duty as the kitchen.  Or vice versa.  Either way, ew.


The bathroom in many of hotels I've stayed in for work have the shower and shiatter in the bathroom proper, and the sink is outside that area.
 
2013-09-22 12:38:16 PM

meat0918: theknuckler_33: meat0918: I despise 55+ communities.

Rot together, you youth hating tax dodgers

I don't get the 'tax dodgers' part. What is that a reference to?

They typically get a deferment or lower taxes in these places on property taxes.

Then they biatch about how bad city government is, the roads suck, and back in their day the schools were great.


Well, that certainly is much worse than biatching about old people.
 
2013-09-22 12:38:19 PM
I read some replies, not all, but here is my story.  About 2 years ago I had a house I was renting and we received notice that it was in the way of construction so we had to leave.  I searched and searched tons of apts in my kid's school district and none were available on such short notice (none that I really wanted to move in, I do value my child and wanted to avoid drug dens and bed bugs), but there was an extended stay hotel literally in the backyard of her school.  We opted that, thinking well a few weeks here and we will find a place.  Not so.  Ten months later I was still there, no one would rent to me because that was the address I put down and it was "assumed" I was on welfare (not so, I work full time and my hubby owns his own business that he was just starting up).  The rent each week was 190.00, and truthfully, after all that time, it was hard to save enough money up for first and last month deposit plus rent.  It sucks you in.  Thankfully, family came through and we have a house now, a permanent one.  I will never live like that again,  it is alot harder than you may think and the mindset that you must be on welfare, lazy, don't care where you live, and you are a total loser is exhausting to fight against.
 
2013-09-22 12:42:35 PM

theknuckler_33: meat0918: I despise 55+ communities.

Rot together, you youth hating tax dodgers

I don't get the 'tax dodgers' part. What is that a reference to?


It's the way that property taxes are set up in the state. Out-of-state property owners pay the most tax. Your average, non-senior, resident gets a 'homestead' exemption. A senior gets a 'homestead' exemption and a 'senior' exemption. A senior living in a 55+ community gets 'homestead' + 'senior' + 'NO SCHOOL TAX' exemptions. As a comparison (with numbers completely pulled from my ass) a house that is in a normal neighborhood and owned by an out-of-stater might have a total tax burden of $5000 while an identical house in a 55+ community lived in by a senior may only have a $600 total tax burden.
 
2013-09-22 12:44:54 PM

Voiceofreason01: Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.

First and last months rent is common in low rent buildings especially for tenants who can't pass a credit check.


First and Last Months' rent plus security deposit is common in the North East. I encountered it all over RI and MA where rents are typically $1500-$1800 for a 1 bedroom. My current FL apartment only wanted a security deposit and first months rent to move in. I am comfortably living on grad student wage in contrast to when I was working full time in MA, living in RI and making some coin. I was on a strict budget to make ends meet.

In OR, I think there was only a security deposit + first month (which is the only place I got screwed out of it so far) and MS only wanted security + first month.
 
2013-09-22 12:48:14 PM

Miracle Whip: It sucks you in.


THIS.  I know someone who got stuck playing this game, and only managed to get out when low-cost, subsidized housing opened up.
 
2013-09-22 12:50:15 PM

theknuckler_33: meat0918: theknuckler_33: meat0918: I despise 55+ communities.

Rot together, you youth hating tax dodgers

I don't get the 'tax dodgers' part. What is that a reference to?

They typically get a deferment or lower taxes in these places on property taxes.

Then they biatch about how bad city government is, the roads suck, and back in their day the schools were great.

Well, that certainly is much worse than biatching about old people.


I don't mind most old people, but the 55+ communities group....

Goddamn.

I'm not sure what bugs me about it.  I think it's the cloistering themselves away from the rest of society, while demanding we give them respect and defer to them because "they've earned it".  Some of them maybe have, and I'll tip my hat towards a retired war vet, and I'll give some of what I grow to my older neighbors that have commented (i.e. dropped an unsubtle hint) how much the love zucchini or artichokes.

I live near some great, caring retired folk that love their neighborhood.  Some needs help, he's there with tools and two or three extra guys to lend a hand.

I also live near some that are so terrified of the world around them, they can't want to sell their house and move to a 55+ place (these are also the folk that have no problem spraying roundup over the fence on their neighbor's weeds).
 
2013-09-22 12:50:58 PM

DigitalCoffee: theknuckler_33: meat0918: I despise 55+ communities.

Rot together, you youth hating tax dodgers

I don't get the 'tax dodgers' part. What is that a reference to?

It's the way that property taxes are set up in the state. Out-of-state property owners pay the most tax. Your average, non-senior, resident gets a 'homestead' exemption. A senior gets a 'homestead' exemption and a 'senior' exemption. A senior living in a 55+ community gets 'homestead' + 'senior' + 'NO SCHOOL TAX' exemptions. As a comparison (with numbers completely pulled from my ass) a house that is in a normal neighborhood and owned by an out-of-stater might have a total tax burden of $5000 while an identical house in a 55+ community lived in by a senior may only have a $600 total tax burden.


Is that just in Florida?

Anyway, seems kind of weird to refer to someone taking advantage of tax breaks available to them as a 'tax dodger'.  I guess I'm a tax dodger because I deduct my mortgage interest from my taxable income.
 
2013-09-22 12:53:29 PM
Don't these motel-dwellers have bootstraps they can pull up?
 
2013-09-22 12:59:07 PM
theknuckler_33

Anyway, seems kind of weird to refer to someone taking advantage of tax breaks available to them as a 'tax dodger'.  I guess I'm a tax dodger because I deduct my mortgage interest from my taxable income.

Naw man, you're on the dole, sucking on the government teat.
 
2013-09-22 01:01:23 PM

meat0918: theknuckler_33: meat0918: theknuckler_33: meat0918: I despise 55+ communities.

Rot together, you youth hating tax dodgers

I don't get the 'tax dodgers' part. What is that a reference to?

They typically get a deferment or lower taxes in these places on property taxes.

Then they biatch about how bad city government is, the roads suck, and back in their day the schools were great.

Well, that certainly is much worse than biatching about old people.

I don't mind most old people, but the 55+ communities group....

Goddamn.

I'm not sure what bugs me about it.  I think it's the cloistering themselves away from the rest of society, while demanding we give them respect and defer to them because "they've earned it".  Some of them maybe have, and I'll tip my hat towards a retired war vet, and I'll give some of what I grow to my older neighbors that have commented (i.e. dropped an unsubtle hint) how much the love zucchini or artichokes.

I live near some great, caring retired folk that love their neighborhood.  Some needs help, he's there with tools and two or three extra guys to lend a hand.

I also live near some that are so terrified of the world around them, they can't want to sell their house and move to a 55+ place (these are also the folk that have no problem spraying roundup over the fence on their neighbor's weeds).


Fair enough.  I guess I just can't really bring myself to think too much about them (people who choose to live in those communities) other than the few that I personally know.
 
2013-09-22 01:02:17 PM
Just another example on how the aging Boomer generation is screwing over every generation the came after them.
 
kth
2013-09-22 01:05:22 PM
Moving is expensive. We moved to a college town when my husband got a job as a professor. We're not in a position to buy a house because mid-life career changes (I started my own law firm, he went to grad school) wiped out our savings, so we had to rent.  It cost us maybe $5k to move 65 miles if you include first month rent, deposit (including pet and mower), utilities, moving expenses. We had to borrow money from my parents, and we're both gainfully employed.
 
2013-09-22 01:06:07 PM

Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.


We've stayed at places like this in FL on vacation, and I've been put up in these by companies I have worked for. They are actually set up just like apartments or condos with full kitchens, bathrooms, etc. A lot of the hotels in Orlando area that cater to people here for a week are like this, much to the chagrin of the local restaurant industry who wants every family eating every meal in their restaurants. In a lot of these places, they are waaay nicer than whatever hovel they live in back home.
 
2013-09-22 01:06:11 PM

had98c: As someone who's currently living out of his car, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.


Wait, dude, what? Where are you located? I ain't rich but I can help a Farker out.
 
2013-09-22 01:07:37 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: You finally find a listing that's in a decent area and in your price range and you cal up and "Oh, we're a senior lifestyle community. 55+."


That's probably why the price was so affordable.  Senior communities tend to be cheaper than the areas around them since there is a smaller pool of buyers/renters interested in the property.
 
2013-09-22 01:11:42 PM

Macular Degenerate: We've stayed at places like this in FL on vacation, and I've been put up in these by companies I have worked for. They are actually set up just like apartments or condos with full kitchens, bathrooms, etc.


I've been to a couple of really nice hotels that did this.  The Knickerbocker in Milwaukee, WI, and some place in New Zealand.  The NZ hotel was great, because food prices are outrageous there, and the hotel wanted $10 for a breakfast consisting of toast.  I got a box of cereal and some milk at the grocery store, and the hotel room had a fully furnished kitchen with bowls and spoons.
 
2013-09-22 01:13:15 PM

Dinjiin: That's probably why the price was so affordable.  Senior communities tend to be cheaper than the areas around them since there is a smaller pool of buyers/renters interested in the property.


That's not what I've seen. They're building new 55+ communities all over the place and they're every bit as expensive as other new communities. Hell, the one they just built next to me are going for close to 300k and it's not like I'm in a upper class area.
 
2013-09-22 01:15:36 PM

DigitalCoffee: theknuckler_33: meat0918: I despise 55+ communities.

Rot together, you youth hating tax dodgers

I don't get the 'tax dodgers' part. What is that a reference to?

It's the way that property taxes are set up in the state. Out-of-state property owners pay the most tax. Your average, non-senior, resident gets a 'homestead' exemption. A senior gets a 'homestead' exemption and a 'senior' exemption. A senior living in a 55+ community gets 'homestead' + 'senior' + 'NO SCHOOL TAX' exemptions. As a comparison (with numbers completely pulled from my ass) a house that is in a normal neighborhood and owned by an out-of-stater might have a total tax burden of $5000 while an identical house in a 55+ community lived in by a senior may only have a $600 total tax burden.


Some states just freeze the school tax portion at age 65 so that seniors don't have to worry about losing their homes once they're on a fixed income, and it only applies if they lived in the house before they turned 65. That's pretty fair for everybody. Exempting entirely instead of freezing seems like just another way for boomers to screw the younger generations over.
 
2013-09-22 01:16:40 PM

gottagopee: FizixJunkee: urbanexotic:
It's been nice not having to cough up a couple thousand dollars to move someplace new, and I don't why more people can't understand how difficult it is for people living paycheck to paycheck to save up that kind of money to improve their living situation.

About half of Americans can't come up with $2,000 within thirty days.  If you're earning poverty wages and get very short notice to move out and find a new place, you're screwed.  If half of all Americans can't come up with the equivalent of a security deposit + rent within a thirty day window, then imagine how tough it must be for the working poor.

I'm surprised more people aren't living in storage units and long-term hotels.

It's coming.  The selfsame assholes here who keep burbling about how those poors are badly managing money they don't have will hopefully be put in the same position shortly.

But then again, those selfsame a-holes will then cry about how they are being oppressed and they don't deserve such and will learn nothing.


My wife and I get trust fun money next month from the grandparents who passed away.  Low six figures.  Poor people would blow it on hookers and blow, or buy a new car and party like it's 1999.

We got a financial advisor and figured out we can turn $150,000 into retiring within 10 years, because of my extensive construction background and the fact that we can build a 2ksq. ft. house for $100k, appraise it at 500-600k, home equity loan it for ~400, and build 3-4 more homes and either sell em, or rent.

Yes, some poor people are poor because of hardship.  But only an idiot would be naive enough to think that statistically a huge amount of low income people are low income because they are awful about the choices they make in their life.  Unless you plan on donating a substantial amount of your income to these people, if you believe they're so good with their money...I would imagine that you can stable your high horse for now.  Most sane people understand your position is untrue and inaccurate.
 
2013-09-22 01:18:02 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Macular Degenerate: We've stayed at places like this in FL on vacation, and I've been put up in these by companies I have worked for. They are actually set up just like apartments or condos with full kitchens, bathrooms, etc.

I've been to a couple of really nice hotels that did this.  The Knickerbocker in Milwaukee, WI, and some place in New Zealand.  The NZ hotel was great, because food prices are outrageous there, and the hotel wanted $10 for a breakfast consisting of toast.  I got a box of cereal and some milk at the grocery store, and the hotel room had a fully furnished kitchen with bowls and spoons.


I've been put up in places like this a couple of times by different companies, one in Salt Lake for 3 weeks, and one in Honolulu, usually a week at a time, depending on flights back out to the rock I was working on that is 4 hours flying time west of HNL. It beats the hell out of staying in a regular room...having dishes and a stove to cook on really helps you save that sweet per diem cash. The one in HNL was more like a condo than a hotel, downtown and within walking distance of the Aloha Tower and Chinatown, and it cost the company the same on a per day basis as a standard hotel room would have.
 
2013-09-22 01:18:38 PM

Katolu: had98c: As someone who's currently living out of his car, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Wait, dude, what? Where are you located? I ain't rich but I can help a Farker out.


THIS
 
2013-09-22 01:21:45 PM
Here is whats happening. The parents are letting the kids run wild on the property, go to the pool, piss and poop in it. Generally act like hood rats with no supervision. Management got pissed and had enough. Found a loop hole to get the welfare queens out. "Stop acting like welfare is a windfall" is what one asshat spewed. These queens get Welfare, AFDC, Section 8...they are smoking their Pall Malls, eating out, while their crotch fruit makes holy hell on everyone around them. Good for the Motel. Got them out. There are two sides to every story.
 
2013-09-22 01:24:29 PM

Fade2black: My wife and I get trust fun money next month from the grandparents who passed away.  Low six figures.  Poor people would blow it on hookers and blow, or buy a new car and party like it's 1999.


Wow. I hope they got your good side when they took your "definition of insufferable douchebag" picture for the dictionary.
 
2013-09-22 01:25:43 PM

TheEvilOne23: Here is whats happening. The parents are letting the kids run wild on the property, go to the pool, piss and poop in it. Generally act like hood rats with no supervision. Management got pissed and had enough. Found a loop hole to get the welfare queens out. "Stop acting like welfare is a windfall" is what one asshat spewed. These queens get Welfare, AFDC, Section 8...they are smoking their Pall Malls, eating out, while their crotch fruit makes holy hell on everyone around them. Good for the Motel. Got them out. There are two sides to every story.


Yes, there are. Hard times generation: Homeless kids
 
2013-09-22 01:27:02 PM

Mugato: Fade2black: My wife and I get trust fun money next month from the grandparents who passed away.  Low six figures.  Poor people would blow it on hookers and blow, or buy a new car and party like it's 1999.

Wow. I hope they got your good side when they took your "definition of insufferable douchebag" picture for the dictionary.


Agreed.  The very definition of being born on third base, and thinking he hit a triple.
 
2013-09-22 01:35:12 PM

had98c: As someone who's currently living out of his car, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.


Clearly that's your choice and you are scum and should kill yourself and DIAF, amirite?
 
2013-09-22 01:38:39 PM

TheEvilOne23: Here is whats happening. The parents are letting the kids run wild on the property, go to the pool, piss and poop in it. Generally act like hood rats with no supervision. Management got pissed and had enough. Found a loop hole to get the welfare queens out. "Stop acting like welfare is a windfall" is what one asshat spewed. These queens get Welfare, AFDC, Section 8...they are smoking their Pall Malls, eating out, while their crotch fruit makes holy hell on everyone around them. Good for the Motel. Got them out. There are two sides to every story.


FINALLY.  A voice of reason.  Is it just me, or is reality and pragmatic observation being replaced with polarized, extreme partisan-vomit?  Having worked at every level of subsidized childcare for a decade, I got to know the mentality all too well.  You have described the scenario that unfolds 85% of the time you give an inch.  The entitlement mentality amongst welfare dynasties is nearly identical to that of trust fund babies.  The middle class is the only thing holding our society together.  Too bad it wasn't more incentive-driven to obtain middle class status.
 
2013-09-22 01:41:26 PM

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: TheEvilOne23: Here is whats happening. The parents are letting the kids run wild on the property, go to the pool, piss and poop in it. Generally act like hood rats with no supervision. Management got pissed and had enough. Found a loop hole to get the welfare queens out. "Stop acting like welfare is a windfall" is what one asshat spewed. These queens get Welfare, AFDC, Section 8...they are smoking their Pall Malls, eating out, while their crotch fruit makes holy hell on everyone around them. Good for the Motel. Got them out. There are two sides to every story.

FINALLY.  A voice of reason.  Is it just me, or is reality and pragmatic observation being replaced with polarized, extreme partisan-vomit?  Having worked at every level of subsidized childcare for a decade, I got to know the mentality all too well.  You have described the scenario that unfolds 85% of the time you give an inch.  The entitlement mentality amongst welfare dynasties is nearly identical to that of trust fund babies.  The middle class is the only thing holding our society together.  Too bad it wasn't more incentive-driven to obtain middle class status.

t.qkme.me
 
2013-09-22 01:47:06 PM
there is a extended stay hotel next to the high school in this town. i'm their often because i walk around a track they have. anyway, a 2 minute walk away from the hotel is a gas station and i see a steady parade of people walking to the gas station from the hotel and bringing back expensive junk food. a 10 minute walk in the other direction is a regular supermarket with good prices but i hardly ever see anyone walking to it.  the money these people are wasting and the crap they are feeding their kids gives me a sad.
 
2013-09-22 01:51:15 PM

cretinbob: Go Fornicate Without a Partner: TheEvilOne23: Here is whats happening. The parents are letting the kids run wild on the property, go to the pool, piss and poop in it. Generally act like hood rats with no supervision. Management got pissed and had enough. Found a loop hole to get the welfare queens out. "Stop acting like welfare is a windfall" is what one asshat spewed. These queens get Welfare, AFDC, Section 8...they are smoking their Pall Malls, eating out, while their crotch fruit makes holy hell on everyone around them. Good for the Motel. Got them out. There are two sides to every story.

FINALLY.  A voice of reason.  Is it just me, or is reality and pragmatic observation being replaced with polarized, extreme partisan-vomit?  Having worked at every level of subsidized childcare for a decade, I got to know the mentality all too well.  You have described the scenario that unfolds 85% of the time you give an inch.  The entitlement mentality amongst welfare dynasties is nearly identical to that of trust fund babies.  The middle class is the only thing holding our society together.  Too bad it wasn't more incentive-driven to obtain middle class status.
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did my opinion (which is mine, not yours, btw) offend your sensiblities?  Or is white-knighting for the downtrodden just part of how you perceive your ego?  Jumping straight to name-calling is usually a sign of low intelligence.  Which makes the retard language quite ironic.
 
2013-09-22 01:59:12 PM
There are ones around here for about $200 a week.  That works out to about $800 a month. This include electric, gas, water, sewer, trash, cable, and internet.  When you include all the extra it is not bad use of money.

It can be very hard to rent if you have bad credit or have a police record of any kind.
 
2013-09-22 02:03:42 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Mugato: Fade2black: My wife and I get trust fun money next month from the grandparents who passed away.  Low six figures.  Poor people would blow it on hookers and blow, or buy a new car and party like it's 1999.

Wow. I hope they got your good side when they took your "definition of insufferable douchebag" picture for the dictionary.

Agreed.  The very definition of being born on third base, and thinking he hit a triple.


I didn't state anywhere about being born on 3rd base.  I still work hard at my job, pay my mortgage, and have 2 financed cars.  You completely gloss over the point I made about alot of poor people are awful with money.  Let me know how that "Ignorance is bliss" works out for you in the long run.
 
2013-09-22 02:08:28 PM
.....white-knighting for the downtrodden....the middle class is the only thing holding our society together....

..name-calling is usually a sign of low intelligence.....


In case you haven't noticed, the middle class is dying, Go Fornicate Without a Partner
 
2013-09-22 02:20:24 PM

Cranky McOldfart: That's because you  don't have the slightest idea what it's like to be poor.  Well, that and your complete lack of empathy.  Go enjoy your bitterness.


Absolutely amazing how awful and totally clueless some people can be.  I'd like to see them volunteer their financial wisdom at a local shelter or kitchen, and see the look on the audience faces while they blather on about how they should get a real house with a mortgage and totally max out their matched contribution to their company's 401k plan, and how the beater they're driving should be replaced by a more reliable car since interest rates are low and they'll save a lot on maintenance.

Everybody should live poor for at least a week.  It's farking terrifying not knowing how you will eat tomorrow, or where you will live next week.  Thankfully I never had to do it with a kid, or while sick.
 
2013-09-22 02:25:52 PM
I've known 3 different people who've had to live in motels.

The first one was a young girl who worked at a Burger King while going to college. She couldn't get together enough money to move into an apartment.

The second person was my Aunt. She had a husband who was supporting her and her kid. They broke up, the husband moved out..... and she got evicted from the house they were renting because she couldn't pay for it. After that, she got a job, but couldn't find an apartment to rent to her because she had an eviction in her renter's history.

The third person is a current co-worker of mine. She's a hard worker, very responsible and reliable, and she spends nearly all of her free time helping out people who are trying to get off of drugs. She's very proud of the fact that she's been clean herself for almost 4 years.... She also has several drug felonies that still come up on a background check. She makes good money..... but has to live in a motel.

None of these people qualified for welfare. If they did, the state would've helped them find permanent housing.
 
2013-09-22 02:27:35 PM

Fade2black: I didn't state anywhere about being born on 3rd base.


Except for the trust fund you earned through years and years of hard work, striving to be born to a family that gave you a trust fund.

Fade2black: You completely gloss over the point I made about alot of poor people are awful with money.


Glossed over? No, we noticed your sneering dismissal of the way poor people mismanage the trust funds that poor people so frequently give to their grandkids.
 
2013-09-22 02:34:08 PM
the extended state motel they'd been living in

What the hell is an "extended state motel"?
 
2013-09-22 02:34:49 PM

starlost: there is a extended stay hotel next to the high school in this town. i'm their often because i walk around a track they have. anyway, a 2 minute walk away from the hotel is a gas station and i see a steady parade of people walking to the gas station from the hotel and bringing back expensive junk food. a 10 minute walk in the other direction is a regular supermarket with good prices but i hardly ever see anyone walking to it.  the money these people are wasting and the crap they are feeding their kids gives me a sad.


Most people in "Extended Stay Hotels" are business/construction people in an area for for a project, and are working off an expense account
 
2013-09-22 02:35:29 PM

SomebodyElsesShoes: FTA:  "It's been a basic business decision to try to help some of these families move off property and get these families into homes where they belong instead of living and growing inside of a hotel," owner Dianna Chane said.

What?


Yep. Better they grow up on the street. They might learn sumthin'
 
2013-09-22 02:36:51 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: 2 years? Get an apartment or trailer. Gotta be cheaper


Apartment requires first and last month's rent plus a "damage deposit" that you don't get back no matter what the condition of the apartment is.  Trailer requires that you find someone willing to lend you money.
 
2013-09-22 02:37:13 PM

Macular Degenerate: Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.

We've stayed at places like this in FL on vacation, and I've been put up in these by companies I have worked for. They are actually set up just like apartments or condos with full kitchens, bathrooms, etc. A lot of the hotels in Orlando area that cater to people here for a week are like this, much to the chagrin of the local restaurant industry who wants every family eating every meal in their restaurants. In a lot of these places, they are waaay nicer than whatever hovel they live in back home.


When I used to be on the road a lot for my company I would try to stay in a suite style hotel. Some of them like springhill suites were more like small 1 br apartments. These typically didn't offer weekly rates though. Having the full kitchen was nice. Sometimes I would go to the store and buy stuff to cook. Sometimes I would eat out. The per diem was nice.

As to the article and how you could end up in one of these things perpetually. Where I used to live it was first, last, full month security + 250 pet deposit and on top of that you had to provide a farkin reference and pay 25 nonrefunadable for the credit check. This was around $2200 up front. Granted last month went to the last month and the deposits were refundable if you didnt fark the place up but still. If you are living check to check just coming up with first and last is going to be a biatch. You probably wont pass the credit check either.
 
2013-09-22 02:44:38 PM
If this is turning into a 55+ community how can they just kick out the folks with kids? Wouldn't they have to kick out everyone who was younger than 55. They couldn't rent to anyone younger could they? Seems like a lot of trouble and a real cut to your customer base just to get rid of a few perceived problem children.
 
2013-09-22 02:48:11 PM

ELKAY: No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

Because an apartment requires a down payment and a credit check, and if you are really poor living day to day then at no time do you have the money to move into an apartment. Especially if you are paying exurbanite hotel room fees.


THIS. It's expensive to be poor. A little hand up at the right time breaks the cycle for some of us.

*remembers the Bad Old Days*
 
2013-09-22 02:55:29 PM

Mugato: What's with senior communities anyway? "I want to live near a lot of other people who are about to die". The whole concept seems depressing.


Senior communities = This is why we CAN have nice things. Suck it, haters.
 
2013-09-22 03:08:52 PM
There are two kinds of extended stay hotels.

There are the nice ones that cater to business people and temporary workers. They're set up more like condos than a hotel room and are what most people here are describing.

The second kind are motels on their way down that are just looking to collect some kind of income. I'm an evidence tech and I get called to these places all the time. Sometimes they used to be reputable hotels. I've been to some that look like they would have been luxurious conference centers back in the 1980s, but now they're outdated and have been allowed to slide into disrepair. It's like walking into a time warp. The TVs are still 1980s tube models, if they work at all. The shag carpet is worn thin and stained. None of the bedding matches and the sheets are yellowed and ragged. Even if it's a no-smoking room, the ceiling and walls are yellowed like old newspaper. All the furniture is chipped and dented. The bathroom tile has black grout - oops, nope, mildew and god knows what. These places don't have regular maid service and haven't offered it for decades.

Sometimes, these motels still bear reputable-sounding names. That gets ugly for travelers who inadvertently book their vacations and don't know what they're getting into until they arrive. <a href="http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g37209-d582205-Reviews- Rodeway _Inn-Indianapolis_Indiana.html ">Here is a great example of what they might find.</a>

Most of them near me advertise rates of $129 a week or less. Considering that includes water, power, heat/AC, and basic cable, it's a pretty good deal with base rent starts around $500 a month not including any utilities. There are also no deposits or background/credit checks. A lot of convicted sex offenders end up in these motels because the combination of being legally restricted from living in certain areas and limited income doesn't leave them many options. Ditto with other types of felons who are restricted from living in subsidized housing because of their records. Shelters are over capacity and most can't house children with their parents, so there are lots of single women with kids staying in motels.

These are some of the most depressing places I walk into. I understand why a motel might want to avoid that fate, but it's also easy to see how people in such bad situations end up in them with no other place to go.
 
2013-09-22 03:16:09 PM
The hotel might not have a kitchen for making 3 squares a day but it definitely has a bed for making more increases to that monthly check.
 
2013-09-22 03:20:18 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Cataholic: Gentoolive: skankboy: No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

These hotels are often times cheaper than an apartment.  You can pay by the week and they don't require a credit check.

Fark you and your pathetic contribution to taxes.  Acting like welfare is some sort of windfall make it clear that you don't know what the hell is going on, and you just regurgitate what your inbred brethren spew.

/not mad bro

Welfare does nothing more than keep people on welfare.

That's a feature, not a bug.

Like your lack of empathy?


Ironic, coming from someone who continues to advocate a system which enslaves people in poverty, keeping them reliant on the government just so they can remain in political power.  It's no different than the pimp who convinces his teenage employees that they shouldn't go home because their parents hate them.
 
2013-09-22 03:36:05 PM

schemy: Katolu: had98c: As someone who's currently living out of his car, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Wait, dude, what? Where are you located? I ain't rich but I can help a Farker out.

THIS


I'm in New Mexico. I'll be fine. Just have to save up for a couple more weeks from my job at Wally World so I can move into a new place.
 
2013-09-22 03:40:07 PM

SCUBA_Archer: The hotel might not have a kitchen for making 3 squares a day but it definitely has a bed for making more increases to that monthly check.


in what world do you live that an Extended Stay Hotel falls under HUD housing

the people that live full time in these place are the ones who make too much for such "Safety Nets" but for what ever reason cant live in a normal apartment building/duplex/home.
 
2013-09-22 03:43:15 PM

ApatheticMonkey: Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.

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I get the feeling that the bathroom is doing double duty as the kitchen.  Or vice versa.  Either way, ew.


Food goes in, food goes out, and you don't even have to leave the room. How convenient.
 
2013-09-22 03:57:27 PM

thenumber5: the people that live full time in these place are the ones who make too much for such "Safety Nets" but for what ever reason cant live in a normal apartment building/duplex/home.


The safety nets are full. There is a four year waiting list for section 8 housing in my city. They are just now processing applications filed in 2008. In LA the wait can be up to ten years.
 
2013-09-22 04:30:28 PM

had98c: schemy: Katolu: had98c: As someone who's currently living out of his car, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Wait, dude, what? Where are you located? I ain't rich but I can help a Farker out.

THIS

I'm in New Mexico. I'll be fine. Just have to save up for a couple more weeks from my job at Wally World so I can move into a new place.


Good luck to you.  I've been there.  It will get better.
 
2013-09-22 04:39:40 PM
schemy:

I'm in New Mexico. I'll be fine. Just have to save up for a couple more weeks from my job at Wally World so I can move into a new place.

Good luck to you.  I've been there.  It will get better.


Hey, I'm in New Mexico too, it isn't -that- bad. He could be in Missouri

/Just trying to add some levity.
//Best of luck to you
 
2013-09-22 04:59:46 PM
No lease? Get one in the next place you choose to stay.
 
2013-09-22 05:23:52 PM
I've read stories about families living in those places for years. And how some of those short term stay places are moving them to different units, to segregate those that actually pay from those that are just heaped upon them by the state. Read one story about a family that had 5 kids, being "forced" to live in a 1 br unit. And they were illegal to boot, saying they have the same rights as anyone else.  Sure they do, but you have to pay for it.  Sure, complain about how it's the goverments fault you have no job, or ability to compete in the marketplace, or whatever whine you have. My wife and one son  are trying to make do in a 3200 sq ft, 6 year old house, and I do have a bit of trouble paying for my BMW parts, but budget it.
Consider yourself fortunate you're even here, and by saying you're not a criminal, though by definition, it's criminal to be here without governmental pernission, regardless how you "see" it.
I pay my bills, pay my taxes, so by definition, Yes, I am entitled to  have a certain modicum of discretion in my actions. Many of the people being thrown out are those that have a history of causing problems with other "residents" or authorities. Recntly I've read many of those extended stay places are on or near 441 (Orange Blossom Trail) known to be a high crime area. At least it was when I lived in Orlando.
 
2013-09-22 05:33:15 PM

schemy: had98c: schemy: Katolu: had98c: As someone who's currently living out of his car, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Wait, dude, what? Where are you located? I ain't rich but I can help a Farker out.

THIS

I'm in New Mexico. I'll be fine. Just have to save up for a couple more weeks from my job at Wally World so I can move into a new place.

Good luck to you.  I've been there.  It will get better.



I had a tough spell when I was around 20 years old living in Las Cruces.  I had the time of life, but I was broke as shiat and at one point was one eight-hour shift away from homelessness (I'll save that story for another time).

Things eventually got better for me---a lot better.  I hope they get better for you, too.

/I still love New Mexico
//if I could find a good-paying job with a modicum of job security, I'd move back in a heartbeat.
 
2013-09-22 06:21:20 PM

jaytkay: Mugato: Old people have a lot of sex with other old people. Seniors neighborhoods make it convenient to pop over to visit your neighbour for a little of her "home cooking".

I could have happily lived out the rest of my life without that visual.

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/ Sleep tight!


fark you for that! I'm sending YOU my eye-bleaching bill!
 
2013-09-22 06:22:26 PM

Go Fornicate Without a Partner: cretinbob: Go Fornicate Without a Partner: TheEvilOne23: Here is whats happening. The parents are letting the kids run wild on the property, go to the pool, piss and poop in it. Generally act like hood rats with no supervision. Management got pissed and had enough. Found a loop hole to get the welfare queens out. "Stop acting like welfare is a windfall" is what one asshat spewed. These queens get Welfare, AFDC, Section 8...they are smoking their Pall Malls, eating out, while their crotch fruit makes holy hell on everyone around them. Good for the Motel. Got them out. There are two sides to every story.

FINALLY.  A voice of reason.  Is it just me, or is reality and pragmatic observation being replaced with polarized, extreme partisan-vomit?  Having worked at every level of subsidized childcare for a decade, I got to know the mentality all too well.  You have described the scenario that unfolds 85% of the time you give an inch.  The entitlement mentality amongst welfare dynasties is nearly identical to that of trust fund babies.  The middle class is the only thing holding our society together.  Too bad it wasn't more incentive-driven to obtain middle class status.
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did my opinion (which is mine, not yours, btw) offend your sensiblities?  Or is white-knighting for the downtrodden just part of how you perceive your ego?  Jumping straight to name-calling is usually a sign of low intelligence.  Which makes the retard language quite ironic.


No, I wasn't sure if you were serious or just retarded.
 
2013-09-22 06:54:11 PM
It does say in the article that they want to cut down on crime by changing it to seniors only and I believe it. Primrose and 50 is a high crime area. The reason being is directly caused by some of the folks who stay over at the Home Suite Home - not all of them, but many of them are less than savory individuals. I lived very close to this place for a year. When we were looking for houses to buy, we knew to stay away from this area. The homes that were for sale closest to the HSH are still for sale months later, no one will touch them. Our realtor even advised us to stay away, in case we weren't aware. We had someone break into our house, guess what address the guy gave when they caught him? Yup. It is understandable that the place wishes to have less issues and it is in their right as business owners to do so.
 
2013-09-22 09:17:01 PM

RodneyToady: The family said the motel sent them and other families a letter saying they didn't want children living there anymore because it plans to convert into a 55+ community.

They're not being kicked out for an arbitrary reason.  There's a carve-out in discrimination law for retirement communities.

I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like there's a weird area when it comes to living in a motel.  It's not a real apartment, but if you're there for months on end, it's not a short stay, either.

That's the legal aspect.  From an interpersonal standpoint, I'd probably give those with kids in school until the end of the school year to move, if it's feasible.


I'm guessing the courts will too--it's an ADR/family court kind of ruling. You can't just move kids into different school districts mid-school year, for all kinds of reasons; no matter how bad the apartment owner wants to make a retirement home out of his lo-rent housing. Now that's assuming the families involved choose to go that route and not make it about race/age discrimination or somesuch.
 
2013-09-22 10:56:04 PM

Fade2black: My wife and I get trust fun money next month from the grandparents who passed away.  Low six figures.  Poor people would blow it on hookers and blow, or buy a new car and party like it's 1999.

We got a financial advisor and figured out we can turn $150,000 into retiring within 10 years, because of my extensive construction background and the fact that we can build a 2ksq. ft. house for $100k, appraise it at 500-600k, home equity loan it for ~400, and build 3-4 more homes and either sell em, or rent.

Yes, some poor people are poor because of hardship.  But only an idiot would be naive enough to think that statistically a huge amount of low income people are low income because they are awful about the choices they make in their life.  Unless you plan on donating a substantial amount of your income to these people, if you believe they're so good with their money...I would imagine that you can stable your high horse for now.  Most sane people understand your position is untrue and inaccurate.


Truly I hope you all the best.  I sincerely wish that your plan works and your family can realize the benefit of your family inheritance and your work.

But....

The 2008 housing bubble is awash of stories of people just like you, wanting to float loans to finance other projects, then getting stuck when the banks implode.  Be careful, be smart, and make sure always have an out for your family.  That financial planner doesn't have any stake in this.  If you get caught holding the bag, they already have their money and all statements regarding the future are best estimates and not guaranteed.  All it takes to tank the market is some greedy person at an investment bank that overstated his position or politicians looking to score votes by saying they did not approve of extending the debt limit.  None of them give a fark if you end up in the soup line.
 
2013-09-23 12:13:18 AM

Fade2black: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Mugato: Fade2black: My wife and I get trust fun money next month from the grandparents who passed away.  Low six figures.  Poor people would blow it on hookers and blow, or buy a new car and party like it's 1999.

Wow. I hope they got your good side when they took your "definition of insufferable douchebag" picture for the dictionary.

Agreed.  The very definition of being born on third base, and thinking he hit a triple.

I didn't state anywhere about being born on 3rd base.


...said the guy who stands to inherit $150,000.00.
 
2013-09-23 02:25:20 AM

Coastalgrl: Voiceofreason01: Chibi Shinigami: Yeah, these kids need an apartment with more space.

How do they cook in these apartments? Is there a kitchen? I assume it's a typical one room hotel room...that's not appropriate.

Also, I've lived in 7 different apartments in my life. Not one has required a last month's rent. You only have to pay rent when you move in, of course, for the upcoming month, and the security deposit. My security deposit at this place was $99 and that's about typical in my experience. I have lived in several cities and this has been consistent throughout.

First and last months rent is common in low rent buildings especially for tenants who can't pass a credit check.

First and Last Months' rent plus security deposit is common in the North East. I encountered it all over RI and MA where rents are typically $1500-$1800 for a 1 bedroom. My current FL apartment only wanted a security deposit and first months rent to move in. I am comfortably living on grad student wage in contrast to when I was working full time in MA, living in RI and making some coin. I was on a strict budget to make ends meet.

In OR, I think there was only a security deposit + first month (which is the only place I got screwed out of it so far) and MS only wanted security + first month.


Yup, in Providence - and down in Philly PA, too - it's first/last/deposit. And the deposit is almost always a full month, + extra if they allow you to have a pet. Don't expect to ever see it back, either.
 
2013-09-23 02:30:17 AM

namegoeshere: thenumber5: the people that live full time in these place are the ones who make too much for such "Safety Nets" but for what ever reason cant live in a normal apartment building/duplex/home.

The safety nets are full. There is a four year waiting list for section 8 housing in my city. They are just now processing applications filed in 2008. In LA the wait can be up to ten years.


Connecticut won't even let people sign up to the waiting list anymore.
 
2013-09-23 06:58:42 AM

ornithopter: namegoeshere: thenumber5: the people that live full time in these place are the ones who make too much for such "Safety Nets" but for what ever reason cant live in a normal apartment building/duplex/home.

The safety nets are full. There is a four year waiting list for section 8 housing in my city. They are just now processing applications filed in 2008. In LA the wait can be up to ten years.

Connecticut won't even let people sign up to the waiting list anymore.


Only vets can here.
 
2013-09-23 11:01:52 AM

No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.


I know google is hard, but 30 seconds would have revealed that Home Suite Home offers rates as low as $149 a week.  $600 is not an unreasonably high amount to pay, especially if it gets you into a better school district.
 
2013-09-23 11:37:10 AM
MycroftHolmes:
No Such Agency: Why on earth would you live in a motel for months, that costs more than renting an apartment or even paying a mortgage on your own house.  This is why i hate my taxes going to welfare, these people just don't bother to manage their money.

I know google is hard, but 30 seconds would have revealed that Home Suite Home offers rates as low as $149 a week.  $600 is not an unreasonably high amount to pay, especially if it gets you into a better school district.


My original post was a silly troll... but for serious, I can't imagine you get a decent motel room for $149 a week.  Like I doubt you get a kitchenette, which means your food preparation options become limited and more expensive.
 
2013-09-23 12:46:32 PM
"It's not fair kicking all these families out just because they have children. Does that sound like a Home Suite Home to you?"

Why, yes. Yes, it does.

/still a dick move to give no notice
//hate kids
///hate old people too
////hate everyone except my SO
 
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