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(Columbus Dispatch)   If you're looking for a car guaranteed not to be disabled by a massive solar flare, then the '72 Dodge Dart is the ride for you   (dispatch.com ) divider line
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2013-09-22 09:36:16 AM  
www.imcdb.org
 
2013-09-22 10:20:25 AM  

dustman81: [www.imcdb.org image 640x489]


Damn...second comment in and still beaten tot he punch.

//At least I still have those three touchdowns in that one game in high school...
 
2013-09-22 10:37:54 AM  
My very first car was my dad's 1972 Dodge Dart "Swinger". V-8 318. Loved that car. Could practically climb in the engine compartment to fix it.
 
2013-09-22 10:37:58 AM  
My mom had one of those

/a solar flare might not stop it, but a deer sure would
 
2013-09-22 10:42:30 AM  
A solar storm equivalent to the Carrington Event would probably kill a lot of people due to society's reliance upon electricity for damn near everything, and supposedly happens every 500 years or so.  I've read some reports that claim a high-altitude detonation of a nuclear weapon could replicate the effect of a powerful solar storm. I'm not a doomsday prepper type, but it's certainly something to think about.
 
2013-09-22 10:46:43 AM  
I'd bet most of our cars would shrug off an EMP, actually. Except GM products made in the last decade, farking morons combined the engine computer with that satellite OnStar crap. A big ol' antenna of doom waiting for a pulse to shut down the engine just in case your car gets stolen.
 
2013-09-22 10:49:19 AM  

State_College_Arsonist: A solar storm equivalent to the Carrington Event would probably kill a lot of people due to society's reliance upon electricity for damn near everything, and supposedly happens every 500 years or so.  I've read some reports that claim a high-altitude detonation of a nuclear weapon could replicate the effect of a powerful solar storm. I'm not a doomsday prepper type, but it's certainly something to think about.


Anyone without the basic survival skills needed to live off the grid for a bit could probably stand to weeded out.

//We all know it's going to end up as "He who has the most guns eats", which is going to be a huge spit in the face to natural selection...
 
2013-09-22 10:53:27 AM  
I was thinking of restore an old jeep for the reason that you can always rebuild mechanical parts, but you can't rebuild computers that aren't built anymore.  All modern cars are doomed.  At some point they're going to stop building the PCM that controls my current Jeep.
 
2013-09-22 10:54:43 AM  
It's almost like analog systems are more resistant to EMP than digital.


/jury still out on nuclear powered giant robots
 
2013-09-22 11:10:58 AM  
Last car that I owned on which I could service brakes, electrical system, water pump, etc. was a 1968 Dodge Dart with a slant six.

CSB: a friend at Purdue used to borrow my Dart to run down to Indianapolis and pick up his BMW 2002, which was always in the $$hop.  He told me: "One day I was on I-65 driving south and the clouds parted, with the sun emerging.  It hit me like a message from God: 'Sell the BMW and buy a Dodge Dart'."

/CSB
 
2013-09-22 11:17:53 AM  

dustman81: [www.imcdb.org image 640x489]


Its a Plymouth Duster.

Dodge Demon would be preferable if we are talking Mopar A-bodies.
 
2013-09-22 11:25:39 AM  
True story, bro: I was living in Albany, NY in 1993. Had the coldest day on record - something like -20F. Not a single car started on my block, except for my '71 Dart - all the more amazing considering it was the only one with a carb. Damned thing was unstoppable, but not a whole lot of fun to drive. It ran like a top until it rusted to death and bottomed out.

Pre-electronics cars are going to be the only thing on the road once China fries all of our electronics with a precisely placed nuke that showers the entire country with EMP :)

//removing tin foil hat
 
2013-09-22 11:27:34 AM  
My old tractor will still run fine, but the top speed is only about 15mph so it will be hard to get anywhere.
 
2013-09-22 11:45:04 AM  

italie: //We all know it's going to end up as "He who has the most guns eats", which is going to be a huge spit in the face to natural selection...


More like "he who has the best aim eats". With the sheer number of loud-mouthed gun-locusts I know that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, I know way better than to equate the size of a person's firearm collection with ability to use them. Frankly, I'd even go so far as to say that correlation is mildly  negative since these people more often than not think they can overcome quality with quantity, and just buy more guns instead of learn to freakin' use the ones they already have.

That said, I somehow think if the planet got hit with a solar storm powerful enough to start frying cars, whether or not cars work won't exactly be high on our priority list.
 
2013-09-22 11:49:30 AM  
Bundy'd in the Boobies.
 
2013-09-22 12:02:07 PM  

State_College_Arsonist: A solar storm equivalent to the Carrington Event would probably kill a lot of people due to society's reliance upon electricity for damn near everything, and supposedly happens every 500 years or so.  I've read some reports that claim a high-altitude detonation of a nuclear weapon could replicate the effect of a powerful solar storm. I'm not a doomsday prepper type, but it's certainly something to think about.


The only difficult part of this for me would be trying to hide my excitement when it actually happens.
 
2013-09-22 12:03:43 PM  

that bosnian sniper: italie: //We all know it's going to end up as "He who has the most guns eats", which is going to be a huge spit in the face to natural selection...

More like "he who has the best aim eats". With the sheer number of loud-mouthed gun-locusts I know that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, I know way better than to equate the size of a person's firearm collection with ability to use them. Frankly, I'd even go so far as to say that correlation is mildly  negative since these people more often than not think they can overcome quality with quantity, and just buy more guns instead of learn to freakin' use the ones they already have.

That said, I somehow think if the planet got hit with a solar storm powerful enough to start frying cars, whether or not cars work won't exactly be high on our priority list.


And good luck getting ammo, especially after the initial round of "Unnatural Selection With Morons." Bows, not guns, are your friend when it comes to obtaining food in such a situation. And if you think folks can't hit the broad side of a barn with a gun, try giving a bow to most of these folks...
 
2013-09-22 12:35:26 PM  

that bosnian sniper: italie: //We all know it's going to end up as "He who has the most guns eats", which is going to be a huge spit in the face to natural selection...

More like "he who has the best aim eats". With the sheer number of loud-mouthed gun-locusts I know that couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, I know way better than to equate the size of a person's firearm collection with ability to use them. Frankly, I'd even go so far as to say that correlation is mildly  negative since these people more often than not think they can overcome quality with quantity, and just buy more guns instead of learn to freakin' use the ones they already have.

That said, I somehow think if the planet got hit with a solar storm powerful enough to start frying cars, whether or not cars work won't exactly be high on our priority list.


Ain't that the truth? I've watched several of those Doomsday prepper shows and many feature people with entire arsenals for two or three people. I mentioned to my wife, I'd be much more worried about the guy who has one or two weapons than one or two dozen. That guy probably knows what he's doing.
I guess these folks plan on just tossing empty guns aside rather than reload them.

For the record, half dozen smokewagons myself, but I'm not arming up for the end of the world. I prefer older style weapons, the closest I have to an 'assault weapon' is either my Kimber 1911 or a 10/22.

This article makes me miss my '71 Plymouth Satellite, though. Freaking tank. Laughed at solar flares and working fuel gauges.
 
2013-09-22 12:35:55 PM  
We've been one EMP away from cuban cars since the 1960s..
 
2013-09-22 01:27:19 PM  
imgc.classistatic.com
 
2013-09-22 01:41:33 PM  
I have a 1968 Chevy C-10 that started life as a military truck. Aside from a direct hit from a nuke I think I'm safe.

www.valleycollectorcarclub.org
/Not mine
//Mine's in rougher shape
 
2013-09-22 01:53:45 PM  
Replaced the OEM computer on my 1986 Ram 50 with a purely mechanical Weber, so it's 100% computer-free. Gets better mileage and has lower emissions.
 
2013-09-22 01:54:09 PM  

xrayspx: Bundy'd in the Boobies.


24.media.tumblr.com

Came here to post a War of the Worlds "check the solenoid" jpg and called an audible.  Who thinks I made the right choice?
 
2013-09-22 01:55:14 PM  
that bosnian sniper:That said, I somehow think if the planet got hit with a solar storm powerful enough to start frying cars, whether or not cars work won't exactly be high on our priority list.

Whaddya know, there's at least one person here who did his E&M homework.  People never seem to figure out that a geomagnetic storm doesn't come with the RF parts of a nuclear EMP, and a solar flare big enough to affect cars and cellphones and such would burn the atmosphere off the entire planet first.
 
2013-09-22 02:02:16 PM  
First car was a 1968 Dodge Dart with a slant six and bench sheets.

Drove it into the ground.
 
2013-09-22 02:10:28 PM  
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Approve of this story.

/**snort**
 
2013-09-22 02:46:37 PM  
Lemme guess: those two guys think they're funny, right?
 
2013-09-22 03:04:35 PM  
Getting gasoline might be problematic.
 
2013-09-22 03:27:21 PM  

Don't Tongue the Reaper!: My very first car was my dad's 1972 Dodge Dart "Swinger". V-8 318. Loved that car. Could practically climb in the engine compartment to fix it.


http://youtu.be/PklzzoeKnQ0
 
2013-09-22 03:47:15 PM  
When I was young and broke, I had to rebuild the carburetor for my crap wagon -- and it worked like a charm afterwards. That I did it right was a point of personal pride, but my long-ago feat of mechanical wizardry doesn't impress anyone anymore because nobody over the age of 30 knows what one is.

That's a sucky part about getting old: being good at something that's now an obsolete skill.
 
2013-09-22 04:20:35 PM  

WordyGrrl: When I was young and broke, I had to rebuild the carburetor for my crap wagon -- and it worked like a charm afterwards. That I did it right was a point of personal pride, but my long-ago feat of mechanical wizardry doesn't impress anyone anymore because nobody over the age of 30 knows what one is.

That's a sucky part about getting old: being good at something that's now an obsolete skill.


I recently rebuilt the carburetor on my lawn mower. It's not an obsolete skill yet.
 
2013-09-22 04:26:58 PM  
Replacing the points ignition in my '67 Camaro with a Pertronix ignitor conversion was some of the best money I've ever spent. Points suck.
 
2013-09-22 04:37:31 PM  
Supposedly during the Cold War the US military had a stockpile full of pre-computer vehicles/aircraft to use in case of an EMP attack/nucular war wiping out everything with an integrated circuit.

When I was active duty this was one of those 'common knowledge' rumors, so the accuracy is probably up there with the warehouses full of toilet seats or ships built with accidentally sealed compartments in them.
 
2013-09-22 05:52:08 PM  

italie: State_College_Arsonist: //We all know it's going to end up as "He who has the most guns eats", which is going to be a huge spit in the face to natural selection...


Back when Y2K was approaching, I was asked if I was making in preparations for an impending disaster.  I said, "Yep.  I have several thousand rounds of ammo.  I'm storing my emergency supplies at my neighbors' houses.  They just don't know it."

/No, I didn't fear any disaster
//but I did grab a couple hundred dollars out of an ATM just in case
 
2013-09-22 06:25:55 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: I guess these folks plan on just tossing empty guns aside rather than reload them.


Interestingly, now that I think of it one of the most realistic films I've seen depicting a circumstance similar to this, was  Red State. When the shoot-out with the church happens, you'll notice the church members already have a series of loaded weapons ready to go, and when one shooter runs dry they hand the weapon off to be reloaded by someone else, while they just pick up the next one and keep shooting. There aren't any god ammo or instant reload hacks there.
 
2013-09-22 07:00:27 PM  
The picture in the boobies is NOT a '72 Dodge Dart.

www.foundationpc.com
 
2013-09-22 07:01:41 PM  
The picture in the boobies is, in fact, a 1972 Plymouth Duster.
 
2013-09-22 08:22:10 PM  
'84 Mercedes Benz 300 TD here. Mechanical fuel injection - the only circuit board in the entire car is in the radio. And I can live without it.
 
2013-09-22 08:47:58 PM  
So, supposedly the radiation from a Carrington-type storm would only impact long thin wires like telegraph lines. Cars should be safe (the metal body is like a Faraday cage anyway, right?)

Heh, I wonder if plug-in hybrids would get fried, though?
 
2013-09-22 08:55:02 PM  
If a solar flare hit the earth with enough magnitude to knock out our entire electric grid, transportation and other infrastructure I somehow doubt a running car is going to be of much use.
 
2013-09-22 08:58:07 PM  
If it really worries you make a Faraday cage for the electronics in your car and put a few lightning rods on your house (probably would have to be off grid) and you'll be fine.
 
2013-09-22 11:03:08 PM  
The Waveries by Frederic Brown (1945).
Get a horse.
 
2013-09-23 02:21:18 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: My mom had one of those

/a solar flare might not stop it, but a deer sure would


Going out on a limb here, but I'll bet there will be comments that your mom has had a lot of things.
 
2013-09-23 05:59:03 AM  
My first car was a 72 Plymouth Scamp, which was identical to the 72 Dodge Dart (Back then, for some reason, Plymouth and Dodge were putting out the same cars, just with their own names on them)
I loved that car. It was named 'Ted'. (silly story)
In fact, since this was back when you could actually fix your own car without a computer degree, I bought two more that didn't run, just for extra parts for the first. :)
 
2013-09-23 07:43:34 AM  
Would the Chrysler electric's Achilles heal, the ballast resistor, really survive an emp? I seem to remember them failing because of well, random anything.
 
2013-09-23 07:44:51 AM  
I kept a spare in the glove box.
 
2013-09-23 08:42:20 AM  
There's that little capacitor in the distributor that will get fried. Ballast resistor too. Might fuse the points. Weld the starter solenoid. No guarantees on pre-computer technology.
 
2013-09-23 08:50:58 AM  

Fat-D: dustman81: [www.imcdb.org image 640x489]

Its a Plymouth Duster.

Dodge Demon would be preferable if we are talking Mopar A-bodies.


Or a Dart Sport. They look like Demons or Dusters. Chrysler was very bad about taking cars from different divisions and just re-branding them with minor trim or interior differences. See Road Runner/Satellite/GTX or Coronet/Super Bee

/Mopar Geek
//Have owned a 68 Charger R/T, 73 Duster, 73 Charger R/T, 70 Challenger, 98 Dakota, 2002 Dakota, and currently a 2006 Charger R/T
//Yeah, it's got a Hemi
 
2013-09-23 09:48:52 AM  

Don't Tongue the Reaper!: My very first car was my dad's 1972 Dodge Dart "Swinger". V-8 318. Loved that car. Could practically climb in the engine compartment to fix it.


My first car was a '73, otherwise identical. What a great car to learn about how poke around on an engine with. It finally bit the dust when I was rear-ended at speed by a fully-loaded tractor-trailer that sent me spinning across three lanes of the interstate. The cops were rather amazed that I walked away without a scratch. I don't miss the 17mpg mileage, but god I miss everything else about that car.

/csb
 
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