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(AsiaOne Digital)   The good news is that Starbucks' WiFi network is more secure than the Pentagon's. The bad news is that the Pentagon's WiFi network is less secure than Starbucks'   (digitalone.com.sg) divider line 43
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2013-09-22 02:45:27 AM
They should ask the NSA for assistance.
 
2013-09-22 08:40:14 AM
The problem they described in the article has nothing to do with Wi-Fi. Its an email problem.
 
2013-09-22 09:34:50 AM
Because all the important things at the Pentagon are on their own private network?
 
2013-09-22 09:35:37 AM
Sector 2?
 
2013-09-22 09:36:28 AM
Yes, but the Pentagon doesn't give away free iTunes songs on Tuesday either.

/Neko Case last week
 
2013-09-22 09:42:04 AM
Yes, I can see hipsters wandering into the Pentagon and accessing Spotify.
 
2013-09-22 09:43:21 AM
Wireless?  My paper mache is stronger then yours.
 
2013-09-22 09:44:35 AM
They don't even know what they're talking about.
 
2013-09-22 09:48:45 AM
Because anyone can waltz into the Pentagon and connect their iphone.
 
2013-09-22 09:50:13 AM
Looks like we're gonna need some more H-1B sub-contractors.
 
2013-09-22 09:51:56 AM
Man, I can't wait to drive into the Pentagon parking lot to get me some sweet, sweet free internet access.
 
2013-09-22 09:51:57 AM
The lesson here is never take network security advice from lawyers...
 
2013-09-22 09:52:00 AM
Apparently, the Pentagon's computers are prone to losing vital details about important 10-year-old cases that should have been backed up multiple times and inadvertently intercepting/altering/losing important details put on it by the defense council. Computers are SO unreliable these days.
 
2013-09-22 09:53:36 AM
In their defense it would cost them $10 billion to make it secure. For some reason. Because it's not common. I mean, who else has ever doe it? Or something
 
2013-09-22 09:59:18 AM
The lawyers have since been using personal computers to email documents from coffee shops and hotel lobbies. Mayberry said it was possible these networks were not secure

D'ya think? But I'm sure you were using a VPN from that coffee shop or hotel, right?
 
2013-09-22 10:04:02 AM
And their coffee is way over-priced!

/along with the toilet seats
 
2013-09-22 10:06:13 AM
The Starbucks in the Pentagon, alas, does not offer WiFi access.
 
2013-09-22 10:13:59 AM

starsrift: Man, I can't wait to drive into the Pentagon parking lot to get me some sweet, sweet free internet access.


I bet they have a fast connection too!

/Gonna run me some torrents, biatches!
 
2013-09-22 10:14:40 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: D'ya think? But I'm sure you were using a VPN from that coffee shop or hotel, right?


Basically, the lawyers don't trust the Defense Departments computer system because they seem to be prone to rather specific glitches that are losing and altering documents related to their cases. A more cynical and less enlightened being might suspect that their e-mails, Internet access and files are being deliberately tampered with. That someone is deliberately farking up their efforts to provide a good defense for their clients. So the Starbucks WiFi access is the defense council's best bet for ensuring that their e-mails get through and that their Internet searches aren't being monitored, sorry "accidentally intercepted" by the prosecution.

An April hearing in the case was cancelled, and prosecutors have suggested the defence is using the network problems as an excuse for further delays. A logistics overseer testified that fixing the system could take up to 111 days once the Pentagon awards the contract and approves funding.

Huh. How about that.
 
2013-09-22 10:20:43 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The Starbucks in the Pentagon, alas, does not offer WiFi access.


Which one?  Have you seen the size of the Pentagon?  Based on that, has to be a minimum of around 7 or 8 in there.
 
2013-09-22 10:33:36 AM
The one in the main food court, level 1, near the Metro/bus entrance. That's the only full-size one as far as I know. All the rest are just carts that I've seen. There is a protected unclass wireless network in that food court, according to the posters on the wall, for government-owned devices, though.
 
2013-09-22 10:36:08 AM
"A logistics overseer testified that fixing the system could take up to 111 days weeks once the Pentagon awards the contract and approves funding."

When you fight our Nation's battles, Heroes, Custer Battles with you!
 
2013-09-22 10:38:59 AM
Yeah I've heard the Pentagon has security gaps you could fly a plane through.
 
2013-09-22 10:52:28 AM
They're defense lawyers. They're making a legal argument about Pentagon security, Would they engage in hyperbole in an adversarial setting?? Unthinkable!!
 
2013-09-22 11:14:57 AM
I don't trust wireless for sensitive tasks.

As for the article, these 5 defendants have been tortured in Gitmo for 12 years. What can be gained by trying them and inevitably finding them guilty? (Does anybody believe they won't be convicted, whether they're guilty or not?) I say they've suffered enough: either put them out of their misery or let them go, whichever's cheaper for the taxpayers.
 
2013-09-22 11:28:32 AM
Is this because people inside a pentagon are witches and warlocks?
 
2013-09-22 11:48:06 AM
So I can take my Apple lappy to 'Bucks again and hang with the cool hipsters again ?
 
2013-09-22 11:49:14 AM
MEMO TO ALL PERSONEL
NEW SECURITY MEASURES

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY ALL EMAILS SHALL BE SENT FROM STARBUCKS. PERSONNEL MAY CHARGE ONE AMERICANO DOUBLE MILK DOUBLE SUGAR OR ONE AMERICANO SINGLE MILK DOUBLE SUGAR OR ONE AMERICANO NO MILK DOUBLE SUGAR OR ONE AMERICANO DOUBLE MILK NO SUGAR OR ONE AMERICANO DOUBLE MILK ONE SUGAR TO EXPENSES. TEA MAY BE SUBSTITUTED FOR COFFEE. ALL ADDITIONAL BEVERAGES AND FOOD TO BE AT EXPENSE OF PERSONNEL.

WHERE STARBUCKS ARE NOT AVAILABLE PERSONNEL WILL CONTINUE TO HAND SECRET MESSAGES TO A RANDOM STREET URCHIN OR RUNNER WITH A SMALL COIN. HOPE FOR THE BEST.
 
2013-09-22 11:54:27 AM

No Such Agency: Yeah I've heard the Pentagon has security gaps you could fly a plane through.


Thread over. You win.
 
2013-09-22 11:55:33 AM
In my post, above, I spare you the random alphabet soup that consitutues from 80 to 99% of all military messages. I never did figure out what most of it means. I just handed it to the Lt. Col. and let him do the thinking.

The Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade (as it then was) uses the same sort of gobblydegook in Secret Faxes, so I assume a lot of it is the codes which represent different units while a lot of it is file numbers and coding for subject.

But trust me, most normal people would not want to read Pentagon emails even if they could.
 
2013-09-22 12:04:22 PM

The One True TheDavid: I don't trust wireless for sensitive tasks.

As for the article, these 5 defendants have been tortured in Gitmo for 12 years. What can be gained by trying them and inevitably finding them guilty? (Does anybody believe they won't be convicted, whether they're guilty or not?) I say they've suffered enough: either put them out of their misery or let them go, whichever's cheaper for the taxpayers.


thank you
 
2013-09-22 12:20:15 PM

LarryDan43: Because anyone can waltz into the Pentagon and connect their iphone.


Interesting that you mention that... a family member of mine is an O3 in a 'cyber warfare' unit in the northeast. They do not allow any iOS connections to their internal network. Something to do with the iOS auth protocols. He describes the operating system as "overly promiscuous" once connected and tries to stick its digital pecker into everything. Rather than deal with security workarounds for the OS, they simply don't allow it to connect.

I've asked him why he still uses a five year old iPhone when he has access to the absolute latest, cutting-edge stuff and he said that it's because of that, exactly. He can cut through security on a locked and encrypted iPhone or iPad before lunch... so the best device security he has been able to come up with is to just not put anything sensitive on it. And then not worry about it. Oddly, he swears by most MS products for general purpose ease-of-use stuff, and obviously Linux for mission critical work, and equates current Apple tech with really, really cool looking children's toys. He did, however, assign a team to become experts on past, present, and future Apple tech to see if they could integrate it securely into their network, going so far as to come up with proposals for changes to the OS to recommend to Apple. Of course, all the Apple products are allowed connections to the less secure military networks simply because there are so many people that use iPhones and iPads for personal use... and iOS is just as secure as Android or Windows when you put it in the hands of everyday users on the street, if not more so.
 
2013-09-22 12:21:25 PM

No Such Agency: Yeah I've heard the Pentagon has security gaps you could fly a plane through.


Oh Jeebus.
Someone get the lights.
 
2013-09-22 12:34:19 PM

No Such Agency: Yeah I've heard the Pentagon has security gaps you could fly a plane through.


You some kind of NSA spook or something??
 
2013-09-22 12:57:33 PM
But what about the Starbucks AT the Pentagon? (You just know they've got at least one. At least.)
 
2013-09-22 01:09:24 PM

No Such Agency: Yeah I've heard the Pentagon has security gaps you could fly a plane through.


Do you have any idea how guilty I feel for laughing at that?
 
2013-09-22 01:11:14 PM

NutWrench: Prank Call of Cthulhu: D'ya think? But I'm sure you were using a VPN from that coffee shop or hotel, right?

Basically, the lawyers don't trust the Defense Departments computer system because they seem to be prone to rather specific glitches that are losing and altering documents related to their cases. A more cynical and less enlightened being might suspect that their e-mails, Internet access and files are being deliberately tampered with. That someone is deliberately farking up their efforts to provide a good defense for their clients. So the Starbucks WiFi access is the defense council's best bet for ensuring that their e-mails get through and that their Internet searches aren't being monitored, sorry "accidentally intercepted" by the prosecution.

An April hearing in the case was cancelled, and prosecutors have suggested the defence is using the network problems as an excuse for further delays. A logistics overseer testified that fixing the system could take up to 111 days once the Pentagon awards the contract and approves funding.

Huh. How about that.


FFS the word is "counsel".
 
2013-09-22 01:48:40 PM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: The Starbucks in the Pentagon, alas, does not offer WiFi access.


rzmapr.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-22 02:03:35 PM
so, the DoD lawyers don't know about PGP?  Sleep tight 'murika.
 
2013-09-22 06:03:10 PM
If the Pentagon was to buy out Starbuck's, they have the money, that would solve two problems.  It may even solve three, as in the better secured wifi, budget issues as Starbuck's is a cash cow and the ability to spy on all those coffee drinkers.  Of course, with the Pentagon's bad math the prices may go ridiculously high, like 75 cents more.
 
2013-09-22 09:33:35 PM

lack of warmth: Of course, with the Pentagon's bad math the prices may go ridiculously high, like 75 cents more.


So what.  It's Starbucks - people who drink coffee there have no clue, as they're already paying $5.00 or more for one cup already.
 
2013-09-22 09:54:20 PM
Y'know what would be cool?

If someone designs a virus, encrypts it and sends it via email with keywords that would flag the NSA's system.
When they try to decrypt it, it infects their computers and then infects all the computers they have backdoors to.

The popcorn would be on me.

/does not condone criminal activity.
//subject portrayed in fictional setting.
///YMMV
 
2013-09-23 02:45:39 AM

brantgoose: MEMO TO ALL PERSONEL
NEW SECURITY MEASURES

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY ALL EMAILS SHALL BE SENT FROM STARBUCKS. PERSONNEL MAY CHARGE ONE AMERICANO DOUBLE MILK DOUBLE SUGAR OR ONE AMERICANO SINGLE MILK DOUBLE SUGAR OR ONE AMERICANO NO MILK DOUBLE SUGAR OR ONE AMERICANO DOUBLE MILK NO SUGAR OR ONE AMERICANO DOUBLE MILK ONE SUGAR TO EXPENSES. TEA MAY BE SUBSTITUTED FOR COFFEE. ALL ADDITIONAL BEVERAGES AND FOOD TO BE AT EXPENSE OF PERSONNEL.

WHERE STARBUCKS ARE NOT AVAILABLE PERSONNEL WILL CONTINUE TO HAND SECRET MESSAGES TO A RANDOM STREET URCHIN OR RUNNER WITH A SMALL COIN. HOPE FOR THE BEST.


What do you have against black coffee?! Coffee racist!
Or single milk one sugar, for that matter? Typical military excess!

/tongue firmly in cheek
 
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