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(The Atlantic)   "Getting a Ph.D in the humanities isn't any crazier than becoming a journalist." Assuming that doctorate lets you get a job as a professor to keep churning out humanities graduates   (theatlantic.com) divider line 273
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2013-09-21 04:10:56 PM
The article explains exactly why subby is a moron.
 
2013-09-21 04:43:48 PM
Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.
 
2013-09-21 04:44:12 PM
Humans exist to work in corporations and create profit for shareholders.  This is the pinnacle of our evolutionary journey.
 
2013-09-21 04:44:40 PM
Free school AND you get to defer your other loans?

What's not to like?
 
2013-09-21 04:45:19 PM
I think nematodes reproduce the same way,
 
2013-09-21 04:48:54 PM

kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.


They changed some laws around here so you can no longer get perpetual full ride scholarships, AKA professional student.
 
2013-09-21 04:51:01 PM

kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.


This.

/Just received an MA in Ancient Philosophy
 
2013-09-21 04:51:03 PM

kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.


Yup, and that is why a place that I worked had people with PhDs applying for a 10 dollar an hour customer service gig.
 
2013-09-21 04:51:28 PM

UsikFark: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

They changed some laws around here so you can no longer get perpetual full ride scholarships, AKA professional student.


There's a difference between someone in a serious pursuit of an academic field and someone who wants to stay in school as long as possible. Again. Probably hard to grasp.
 
2013-09-21 04:53:24 PM

IkilledLauraPalmer: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

Yup, and that is why a place that I worked had people with PhDs applying for a 10 dollar an hour customer service gig.


Oh my god. Your singular experience completely negates doctoral studies. Well done!
 
2013-09-21 04:54:08 PM
Ponzi schemes in academia?
GET OUT.

/It's like crazy people aspiring to become therapists.
 
2013-09-21 04:54:22 PM

kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.


So you're saying humanities students are wankers?
 
2013-09-21 04:57:39 PM

Copper Spork: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

So you're saying humanities students are wankers?


I'd have to paint a large, diverse group of people with a pretty broad stroke to do that.
 
2013-09-21 04:58:08 PM

kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.


This10
 
2013-09-21 05:00:02 PM

kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.


But why do those people always sound like idiots?
 
2013-09-21 05:00:55 PM
Why not have an ordinary, income producing job and read Hegel in your downtime?  If there's any field that can be picked up on the side, it's the humanities.

I'm sure some of you aspiring academics out there can provide a host of examples of influential people who did their philosophizing while holding gainful employment.

Humanities is basically wikipedia surfing with a bit more depth. You don't need to go to school for that. Especially in 2013.
 
2013-09-21 05:01:17 PM

Aristocles: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

This.

/Just received an MA in Ancient Philosophy


Double this.
I value my Humanities and English degrees above any price I paid for them. I also studied geology, aviation physics, environmental science, and photography along the way.
It's good to be an educated person, but it's painful to live in a nation that seems not to value education.
 
2013-09-21 05:01:55 PM

kwame: IkilledLauraPalmer: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

Yup, and that is why a place that I worked had people with PhDs applying for a 10 dollar an hour customer service gig.

Oh my god. Your singular experience completely negates doctoral studies. Well done!


Ah, so the fox is doing the accounting on the hen house, no conflict there.
 
2013-09-21 05:02:20 PM

nickdaisy: Humanities is basically wikipedia surfing with a bit more depth. You don't need to go to school for that. Especially in 2013.


I'll bet some Good Germans were saying that in 1938.
 
2013-09-21 05:04:37 PM

EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?


Philistines will be Philistines.
 
2013-09-21 05:06:16 PM

EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?


I suppose it has more to do with who you are spending your time with.
 
2013-09-21 05:06:22 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: I value my Humanities and English degrees above any price I paid for them. I also studied geology, aviation physics, environmental science, and photography along the way.
It's good to be an educated person, but it's painful to live in a nation that seems not to value education.


You're confusing "took a couple of classes in" with "studied". The time when an education consisted of reading Euclid, a book on Roman architecture, the works of a few poets and a bit of French is long over. Now, if you want to have a worthwhile education, you have to specialise.
 
2013-09-21 05:06:28 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: nickdaisy: Humanities is basically wikipedia surfing with a bit more depth. You don't need to go to school for that. Especially in 2013.

I'll bet some Good Germans were saying that in 1938.


what?  Saying that individual learning outside of a dogmatic, state sponsored system is beneficial?  That sort of self reliance is precisely the sort of mentality fascism feared.

That and heights.  All fascists fear heights. Read it on wikipedia.
 
2013-09-21 05:08:07 PM

EnderX: kwame: IkilledLauraPalmer: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

Yup, and that is why a place that I worked had people with PhDs applying for a 10 dollar an hour customer service gig.

Oh my god. Your singular experience completely negates doctoral studies. Well done!

Ah, so the fox is doing the accounting on the hen house, no conflict there.


I really wish this made sense, but at least it made you feel good.
 
2013-09-21 05:08:18 PM

kwame: IkilledLauraPalmer: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

Yup, and that is why a place that I worked had people with PhDs applying for a 10 dollar an hour customer service gig.

Oh my god. Your singular experience completely negates doctoral studies. Well done!


Nope, it's not a singular experience, the Academic's on my facebook feed are having their quarterly "Look at the abuse we get" shiatfest because of that 83 year old who was an adjuct professor for 25 having a heart attack.  The Academics are claiming this is the administation's vile oppression of scholars and education, while anybody with two brain cells would figure out "I'm not good enough for a tenure track postion, so I might as well teach High School,"

If Academic departments really wanted to do something to improve the lives of humanities scholars, they would close down 80% of the PhD programs in this country.
 
2013-09-21 05:09:52 PM

Komplex: If Academic departments really wanted to do something to improve the lives of humanities scholars, they would close down 80% of the PhD programs in this country.


Oh come on. The USA can't really be allocating 80% of its PhDs to useless subjects, can it? You've got some pretty large real-science and engineering programs going on...
 
2013-09-21 05:10:06 PM

Komplex: kwame: IkilledLauraPalmer: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

Yup, and that is why a place that I worked had people with PhDs applying for a 10 dollar an hour customer service gig.

Oh my god. Your singular experience completely negates doctoral studies. Well done!

Nope, it's not a singular experience, the Academic's on my facebook feed are having their quarterly "Look at the abuse we get" shiatfest because of that 83 year old who was an adjuct professor for 25 having a heart attack.  The Academics are claiming this is the administation's vile oppression of scholars and education, while anybody with two brain cells would figure out "I'm not good enough for a tenure track postion, so I might as well teach High School,"

If Academic departments really wanted to do something to improve the lives of humanities scholars, they would close down 80% of the PhD programs in this country.


Your Facebook feed is a singular experience.
 
2013-09-21 05:10:49 PM
employers aren't looking for educated workers.   they're looking for insects who have specialized skills.
 
2013-09-21 05:12:14 PM

kwame: EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?

I suppose it has more to do with who you are spending your time with


Th

kwame: EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?

I suppose it has more to do with who you are spending your time with.


That could be true, but until we find life on other planets, I'm stuck with this sample pool.
 
2013-09-21 05:12:16 PM

kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.


Hitler certainly wasn't interested in any Jews who were educated. he wanted skilled workers.   the educated ones got shipped off to the ovens. ole' adolf was a smart cookie.
 
2013-09-21 05:12:35 PM

Linux_Yes: employers aren't looking for educated workers.   they're looking for insects who have specialized skills.


You clearly aren't someone who hires people.
 
2013-09-21 05:13:10 PM

kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.



most americans don't know what you're talking about.  they would probably ask you if you want fries with that.
 
2013-09-21 05:13:58 PM

EnderX: kwame: EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?

I suppose it has more to do with who you are spending your time with

Thkwame: EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?

I suppose it has more to do with who you are spending your time with.

That could be true, but until we find life on other planets, I'm stuck with this sample pool.


Pay close attention: when you talk to 10-15 people in a group of 2-3 million, you have not spoken to a representative sample.
 
2013-09-21 05:14:09 PM

kwame: You clearly aren't someone who hires people.


Most employers would rather not hire people. That's why they like humanities students so much.
 
2013-09-21 05:14:36 PM

Lochsteppe: Humans exist to work in corporations and create profit for shareholders.  This is the pinnacle of our evolutionary journey.



so the Owners/shareholders can sit on their asses and collect money and f*ck 19 year olds.   living off someone else is alot more fun.

the Rich live off the poor
and the poor live off their labor.
 
2013-09-21 05:14:59 PM

Copper Spork: You're confusing "took a couple of classes in" with "studied".


No.
I lived in Germany for eight years as a young man. In college I took two semesters of German language, just 'cause and I learned the value of "taking classes." I genuinely enjoyed and studied extensively on my own time those other subjects, as well as taking classes in school. I still do study those subjects in a very real sense of the word.

However, "taking classes" is the only way you can obtain a credentialed leadership degree in any field.
Education is a matter of conscience for some of us, a matter of punching tickets for others.
 
2013-09-21 05:15:11 PM
stfu and gbtw i'm not paying you to think i'm paying you to work
 
2013-09-21 05:15:18 PM
That's a fine waste of a college education there, Lou.
 
2013-09-21 05:15:20 PM
Ponzi ?
 
2013-09-21 05:15:53 PM
Universities are not vocational schools.
 
2013-09-21 05:16:28 PM

Aristocles: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

This.

/Just received an MA in Ancient Philosophy



you want fries with that?

no seriously, congratulations.   you're on your way to Enlightenment.   (:
 
2013-09-21 05:16:38 PM

kwame: EnderX: kwame: EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?

I suppose it has more to do with who you are spending your time with

Thkwame: EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?

I suppose it has more to do with who you are spending your time with.

That could be true, but until we find life on other planets, I'm stuck with this sample pool.

Pay close attention: when you talk to 10-15 people in a group of 2-3 million, you have not spoken to a representative sample.


Are you being ignorant or obtuse?
 
2013-09-21 05:17:14 PM

EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?



probably because they are educated and you are not.  you are skilled.
 
2013-09-21 05:18:19 PM

Linux_Yes: EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?


probably because they are educated and you are not.  you are skilled.


Now thats the response of educated liberal I was expecting.
 
2013-09-21 05:18:45 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Aristocles: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

This.

/Just received an MA in Ancient Philosophy

Double this.
I value my Humanities and English degrees above any price I paid for them. I also studied geology, aviation physics, environmental science, and photography along the way.
It's good to be an educated person, but it's painful to live in a nation that seems not to value education.


in the past, i've used my History degree + $1.50  and was able to get a coffee at Mcdonalds.
 
2013-09-21 05:18:58 PM
I do not care what your degree is in.  Do not expect me to pay for it.  Guarantee the loan.  Subsidize the school.  Or pay you any social benefits when you fail.  You went in eyes wide open you should pay not me.
 
2013-09-21 05:19:25 PM
In this thread, people who made the poor choice to study humanities, and figured they were so deep in the hole already, they might as well keep on digging defend their stupid decisions in life, in some cases a little to hard...

/Doubled in History and German Studies.
//4 years of my life wasted
///no one's fault but my own
 
2013-09-21 05:19:29 PM
I am convinced the humanities guys are the ones doing the alleged algebra lessons in the horrible new core curriculum. "X is not equal to Y. Wring an essay about how you feel about this. Include examples of inequality in society."
 
2013-09-21 05:19:42 PM
"Getting a Ph.D in the humanities isn't any crazier than becoming a journalist."

Get a real job hippie. And the grass, yes the grass.....Get the hell off it.
 
2013-09-21 05:19:42 PM

EnderX: Linux_Yes: EnderX: kwame: Sometimes people get their education for the education, not to get a job. I'm sure that's hard to grasp.

But why do those people always sound like idiots?


probably because they are educated and you are not.  you are skilled.

Now thats the response of educated liberal I was expecting.



yep,  a little learning is a dangerous thing.
 
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