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(Think Progress)   Rep. Darrel Issa, in his quest for the absolute truth about Benghazi, may have sorta kinda possibly slightly accidentally forgot to invite the Democrats on the Oversight to join him on his fact-finding trip to Libya   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 99
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2013-09-21 02:55:22 PM
4 votes:
Even for a politician that is one shady motherfncker.
2013-09-21 11:37:39 AM
4 votes:
How much money you wasting on this bullsh*t, Issa?

/you worthless crooked POS
2013-09-21 11:28:44 AM
4 votes:
It would be a shame if some tragedy should befall Issa while he is there.
2013-09-22 02:22:38 AM
3 votes:
For those of you who might be unfamiliar with this site:

Welcome to the Fark Politics tab.

We like to point out how wrong Republicans are about the things they say, and there are sources to prove their hypocrisy.

In the middle of all this, there are trolls who post biased, opinion-based links in an attempt to see if you are actually awake.

If you feel the need to respond to them, out of boredom, curiosity or anything else, these are the only acceptable responses:

To Aristocles: "Who is Bob?" (Hint: he'll never answer, and he'll ramble on about talking points you really don't care about.)

To freak7: "Prove it." (He can't, and sometimes will back himself into a corner and prove himself more wrong.)

Watch out for subject switches and Townhall links. Stay safe out there, citizen. (And by citizen, we mean you're likely more eligible to live here than Rafael Cruz.)
2013-09-21 06:56:25 PM
3 votes:

notto: freak7: notto: Why are you changing the subject from your claims that the administration didn't admit they made mistakes when they did admit that?

They admitted to a couple of minor mistakes, only after it blew up in the media and they could no longer deny them without looking like idiots. Since we know they were so willing to lie about something as minor as the reason for the attack, why are you so sure they're telling the truth about everything else?

So, they were willing to admit that mistakes were made?  Doesn't that directly contradict your earlier claims that you repeated until you changed the subject?


Yeah, the "lie" thing again?

Okay, let's do this.

The attack against the American consulate and CIA annex in Benghazi was an act of terrorism that was perpetrated by AQ and backed up by local militias who *were* incensed over the release of that agit-prop video.

The reason for the attack remains AQ's ongoing war against America and America's lethal response to that.

That noted, among the reasons it was able to take place successfully (from the terorist's POV) was A) because many local militias *were* in a tizzy over the video and were ready to assist AQ in their plans and B) Because the protests against that video (that took place not only in the middle east but all over the world resulting in many deaths and injuries) had stretched thin America's ability to protect all of it's assets at once.

Pretending that the video wasn't a factor shows you aren't taking this seriously at all.
2013-09-21 06:04:02 PM
3 votes:

freak7: Abner Doon: The sum total of the scandal then, is that they were initially wrong about what caused people to attack the embassy, and that they didn't immediately make public every possible thing they knew?  And that seems like a real scandal to you people? Wow.

I'm not saying it's some huge scandal on the level that some republicans would have you believe. I'm pointing out the other sides inability to accept that mistakes were made. Almost everybody on Fark rips on conservatives for their blind hatred of all things Obama while they do the same goddamn thing by not being able to admit that their side farks up once in a while. They obviously made mistakes related to Benghazi, lets here the Obama flock admit that.


You mean like this?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57584921/officials-on-benghazi-w e- made-mistakes-but-without-malice/

Now do you see why this is not considered a scandal?

Now do you see why everyone laughs at the side that won't admit that it is not a scandal?
2013-09-21 05:15:17 PM
3 votes:

freak7: The Obama administration won't even admit to erroneously blaming the attack on an internet video or that when they initially briefed the country, that they were withholding known facts, but hey, they're totally telling the truth about everything else.


You're mad that the CIA is withholding facts that might damage national security? You've got to be kidding me.
2013-09-21 03:26:08 PM
3 votes:
To think:

If Romney wasn't such a disaster in foreign policy and royally bungled his handling of Benghazi, then the GOP wouldn't have to keep this phony controversy going by trying to make Obama look bad compared to Romney when it comes to foreign policy.

Now it just sounds like sour grapes.
2013-09-21 03:06:01 PM
3 votes:
As Cumming notes, this isn't even the first time they have done this.  Despite specifically stating that all oversea trips must be bipartisan Issa sent only Repubs over to Libya on a 'fact-finding' mission but concealed the reasoning and did not include any Democrats last October.

I guess we can't complain.  Everyone wanted transparency in government, and this is as transparent a partisan witch hunt as I've ever seen.
2013-09-21 02:11:48 PM
3 votes:
Let me get this straight: Obama was willing to abandon Stevens and some SEALs to die, but yet Issa thinks he's safe to go to Libya on a fact-finding trip?
2013-09-21 10:18:25 PM
2 votes:
STOP GIVING THE ATTENTION WHORE THE ATTENTION HE WANTS.

/that is all
2013-09-21 07:31:35 PM
2 votes:
Remember:

winkprogress.com
2013-09-21 07:01:38 PM
2 votes:

freak7: Fart_Machine: OK.

That picture was taken during a bathroom break, nice try though.


Prove it.
2013-09-21 07:01:21 PM
2 votes:

sugardave: freak7: notto: You first.  Provide a definitive source for your claim that tells us who stayed for the hearings from both sides of the chamber.  Otherwise, my claim is a good as yours and as well supported.

There are hundreds of sources showing who walked out, I'm not doing your research for you.

oooo, burn

But, look like you're wrong.  Again.  Imagine that.


He seen 100's of sources stating exactly who walked out of the hearing but had no idea that 18 of the 24 republicans on the committee were absent during the families "testimony"?

It's almost as if he is a liar and a hypocrite all wrapped up in a neat little package.
2013-09-21 06:58:51 PM
2 votes:

freak7: notto: 18.

Prove it.


OK.


.
2013-09-21 06:54:05 PM
2 votes:

freak7: notto: 18.

Prove it.


You first.  Provide a definitive source for your claim that tells us who stayed for the hearings from both sides of the chamber.  Otherwise, my claim is a good as yours and as well supported.

If we are just going to look at pictures, we can start here.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/20/these-pictures-prove-fox-is-l y ing-democrats-did/196000
2013-09-21 06:23:25 PM
2 votes:

freak7: sugardave: And one side admits it.

When did they admit to anything, before or after it blew up in the news?


You move goalposts more than field maintenance at a mutlipurpose arena.
2013-09-21 05:35:26 PM
2 votes:
Also, does anyone else have a problem with using the word "honorable" to describe Issa?  It seems like an antonym in this case.
2013-09-21 05:11:10 PM
2 votes:
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netcentric: The Democrats wouldn't even stay in the hearings to listen to the families of those who died.    You really think they would go along on a trip to Libya...

They had a year to go if they chose.

Democrats are looking pretty bad these days.


They are looking a little worse for wear. Like a car left outdoors in the elements. The chrome is looking a little rusty and the paint has lost its luster. Unfortunately for all of us, the alternative is to drive manure truck that's on fire with no steering wheel, seat belt or brakes.
2013-09-21 04:37:52 PM
2 votes:

the_dude_abides: fun fact about the "exhaustive" benghazi ARB: state dept did not transcribe the interviews that were conducted. also, despite the fact that the house oversight committee has issued a subpoena demanding them, the state dept is not making the summaries of those interviews available. weird...


Yeah, weird.  Especially weird that anyone can google it and bang, there they are.
2013-09-21 03:22:41 PM
2 votes:

freak7: Blame the White House for their refusal to admit that mistakes were made.


Lol... This is what you clods remind me of:
www.writebynight.net
2013-09-21 03:06:26 PM
2 votes:

netcentric: The Democrats wouldn't even stay in the hearings to listen to the families of those who died.    You really think they would go along on a trip to Libya...

They had a year to go if they chose.

Democrats are looking pretty bad these days.


You need to try harder.
2013-09-21 03:04:18 PM
2 votes:

SilentStrider: What are the odds he finds any actual facts?


1:Potato
2013-09-21 12:13:28 PM
2 votes:
The second biggest mistake Republicans made vis-a-vis Benghazi is putting that douchetard in charge of the investigation.

/the first is thinking there was a scandal
2013-09-21 11:50:45 AM
2 votes:
Arsonist says what?
2013-09-21 11:47:06 AM
2 votes:
Christ, what an asshole.
2013-09-22 03:04:54 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Why invite them? If they're going to be monumental cowards and walk out of the room rather than face the parents of the victims then I wouldn't invite them either.


You're late to the thread, buddy. That and using an already de-bunked talking point? Tsk tsk. You get nothing sir. Good day.
2013-09-22 03:04:25 PM
1 votes:

randomjsa: Why invite them? If they're going to be monumental cowards and walk out of the room rather than face the parents of the victims then I wouldn't invite them either.


We've already covered that.  More Republicans than Democrats walked out of the hearing room.  Are you saying that those Republicans that did not stay should not be invited on this trip as well?  Should the Democrats that did stay be invited on the trip?  After all, by your standard, they are not the monumental cowards that the Republicans who left are.  Seems if you want this to be a coward free trip, party lines might not be the way to go.
2013-09-22 07:16:50 AM
1 votes:
Just ignore Aristocles. Based on his profile, and what he said in this thread, he's quite young and angry.

1) His comments are unwaveringly loyal to the GOP, but he says he didn't vote for Bush.
Possibly he was not yet 18, or he was in college and hadn't registered.

2) His profile posts lyrics from KMFDM's album WWIII, which came out in 2003, and Laibach's Das Spiel ist Aus album, which came out in 2007. Like most college-age boys, he thinks he's cool by posting angsty political lyrics by obscure (AKA non-radio) bands, but what he doesn't realize is that they've had a huge following since the late 80s.

3) These two bands are German. Once again, he thinks he's cool by posting German lyrics (Laibach), but it really just says that he remembers just enough German from his language classes in high school, and it was probably through the high school German club where he was introduced to such music. He's trying to assert superiority through his German knowledge.

4) Also, what he doesn't realize is that the lyrics are about dubya.

Aristocles is likely between 18-25, and probably believes a lot of what he is saying. It's just that his worldview his heavily skewed and quite narrow right now. He may turnaround, but it'll likely take a meltdown, and we won't see him again to confirm.
2013-09-22 02:58:05 AM
1 votes:

freak7: notto: Why are you changing the subject from your claims that the administration didn't admit they made mistakes when they did admit that?

They admitted to a couple of minor mistakes, only after it blew up in the media and they could no longer deny them without looking like idiots. Since we know they were so willing to lie about something as minor as the reason for the attack, why are you so sure they're telling the truth about everything else?


No one who posts something like this should be considered worthy of discussion.
2013-09-21 10:26:12 PM
1 votes:

freak7: max_pooper: We're still waiting on that evidence on what Obama did wrong in Bengahzi.

Then you haven't been paying attention to the thread.


Which part of the thread are you referring to? The parts where you bring up Faux News talking points and are continually showed to be wrong?
2013-09-21 10:23:46 PM
1 votes:

Aristocles: max_pooper: Aristocles: max_pooper: You said "you and I both know damn well that BOB's people were telling him from the beginning that this was planned."

So you claim to "know damn well" while your cited evidence only says "might".

Do you not understand why this makes you look like a total moran?

Also, who is Bob?

Here. I'll explain for you.

"You and I know damn well" referred to the fact that BOB's people were telling him that the attacks were planned. "Might" refers to the content of what BOB's people said.

/reading comprehension, how does it work?

So you "damn well know" nothing?

Either the Administration, as you claim to "damn well know", imediately and definitively knew that the attack had nothing to do with the video protests happening elsewhere at the same time or they were not sure as your cited evidence claims.

I'm not really sure why you keep doubling down on a claim that you keep citing evidence that shows you to be wrong. Is it stupidity or stubbornness? I guess it could be both.

Also, why do ou keeping talking about this Bob guy, who is he?

Look, I understand you deflection. Heck, if I'd voted for a guy who swore he'd hunt down the terrorists who killed 4 Americans and over a year later no progress had been made, I'd be pretty upset.

I see it's a sore spot for you. But, hey, you were warned about voting for BOB.


It took the Obama administration over 2 years to get Bin Laden.

I guess you must have been livid that Bush 7 spent seven years not finding him.

Again, who is Bob guy you keep talking about.
2013-09-21 10:20:17 PM
1 votes:

Aristocles: max_pooper: freak7: Mrtraveler01: You really need to refresh your browser. It's apparently stuck from 2 weeks ago.

You think Obama still doesn't want strikes in Syria? That's cute.

We're still waiting on that evidence on what Obama did wrong in Bengahzi.

I know youre busy researching those claims but do us a favor and find some evidence that Obama, who has diplomatcally avoided military strikes in Syria, wants military strikes in Syria. Thanks.

Ah, trolling, I see. You had me going for a while, I'll give you that. Anyway, carry on.


Trolling? So you are saying that last week the Obama administration did not make an agreement to disarm Assad of his chemical weapons without having to strike Syria?

How could I have missed this? Surely the US bombing Syria would have made the news. Was there a fark thread about it?

I guess they could have done it secretly like when they immediately told Obama that the Bengahzi attack had nothing to do with the video protests occurring elsewhere at the same time without leaving any evidence what so ever.
2013-09-21 10:02:34 PM
1 votes:

Aristocles: max_pooper: You said "you and I both know damn well that BOB's people were telling him from the beginning that this was planned."

So you claim to "know damn well" while your cited evidence only says "might".

Do you not understand why this makes you look like a total moran?

Also, who is Bob?

Here. I'll explain for you.

"You and I know damn well" referred to the fact that BOB's people were telling him that the attacks were planned. "Might" refers to the content of what BOB's people said.

/reading comprehension, how does it work?


So you "damn well know" nothing?

Either the Administration, as you claim to "damn well know", imediately and definitively knew that the attack had nothing to do with the video protests happening elsewhere at the same time or they were not sure as your cited evidence claims.

I'm not really sure why you keep doubling down on a claim that you keep citing evidence that shows you to be wrong. Is it stupidity or stubbornness? I guess it could be both.

Also, why do ou keeping talking about this Bob guy, who is he?
2013-09-21 09:22:19 PM
1 votes:
You've got him this time guys. You're really going to get him to admit he's a troll and make him disappear forever. If you just ask him a few more obvious questions, I'm sure that he'll cave and won't continue to move goal posts, use circular arguments and refuse to engage in real debate.

The constant attention you give him in no way guarantees he'll continue acting exactly like this until he gets bored of trolling you.

/personally I like BOB, I think it's decent little short hand and farking lightyears better than 0bama, but I guess it's forever ruined now
2013-09-21 09:18:39 PM
1 votes:

Aristocles: notto: Aristocles:  you and I both know damn well that BOB's people were telling him from the beginning that this was planned.

No.  We don't. And you have providing nothing that demonstrates otherwise.  Quit making stuff up.

every. last. drop.


You've got nothing and everyone can see that.  Please.  Continue.  If you decide to provide anything that actually backs up your claims, I'll jump back in.  Until then, keep participating in this FarkLib thread.
2013-09-21 09:17:56 PM
1 votes:
Fark libs are as bad as the conservatives they're always biatching about, I think we've proven that in this thread.

The Obama administration screwed up with Benghazi, that's one thing we know for sure.
2013-09-21 09:11:02 PM
1 votes:

Aristocles:  you and I both know damn well that BOB's people were telling him from the beginning that this was planned.


No.  We don't. And you have providing nothing that demonstrates otherwise.  Quit making stuff up.
2013-09-21 08:11:48 PM
1 votes:
A whopping 41 percent of Republicans polled think the Obama administration's handling of Benghazi is the greatest scandal in U.S. history. "One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history," PPP adds, "is that 39% of them don't actually know where it is. 10% think it's in Egypt, 9% in Iran, 6% in Cuba, 5% in Syria, 4% in Iraq, and 1% each in North Korea and Liberia with 4% not willing to venture a guess."

Good grief.
2013-09-21 08:10:43 PM
1 votes:

Aristocles: The GOP actually cares about the Americans brutally murdered in Benghazi because of Hildawg and BOB's blunders. This isn't political, it's about finding answers for the families of the slain.


Funny'd.

Would the GOP give a shiat about the families of the slain if Romney won the election?

I think we all know the answer.
2013-09-21 08:07:29 PM
1 votes:

quatchi: notto: freak7: notto: Why are you changing the subject from your claims that the administration didn't admit they made mistakes when they did admit that?

They admitted to a couple of minor mistakes, only after it blew up in the media and they could no longer deny them without looking like idiots. Since we know they were so willing to lie about something as minor as the reason for the attack, why are you so sure they're telling the truth about everything else?

So, they were willing to admit that mistakes were made?  Doesn't that directly contradict your earlier claims that you repeated until you changed the subject?

Yeah, the "lie" thing again?

Okay, let's do this.

The attack against the American consulate and CIA annex in Benghazi was an act of terrorism that was perpetrated by AQ and backed up by local militias who *were* incensed over the release of that agit-prop video.

The reason for the attack remains AQ's ongoing war against America and America's lethal response to that.

That noted, among the reasons it was able to take place successfully (from the terorist's POV) was A) because many local militias *were* in a tizzy over the video and were ready to assist AQ in their plans and B) Because the protests against that video (that took place not only in the middle east but all over the world resulting in many deaths and injuries) had stretched thin America's ability to protect all of it's assets at once.

Pretending that the video wasn't a factor shows you aren't taking this seriously at all.


The other thing is that Youtube video was also the cause of protests in Cairo and Afghanistan in which the US Embassy's there had violent protests as well.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2012/09/11/c ai ro-us-embassy-protesters-prophet-mohammad/70000126/1#.Uj4wKtKsh8E

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_Innocence_of_Muslims#Prote st s_at_diplomatic_missions

It wasn't like this Youtube thing was made up out of thin air. That's why I find it stupid that people think the videomakers are somehow innocent.

It was easily believable that the Benghazi attacks were because of the same thing when similar incidents happened throughout the Middle East and South Asia.
2013-09-21 07:59:58 PM
1 votes:
I think I found  halfof33's new handle.
2013-09-21 07:51:41 PM
1 votes:

Aristocles: I know this is hard for Farklibs to understand, but please try to follow....

The GOP actually cares about the Americans brutally murdered in Benghazi because of Hildawg and BOB's blunders. This isn't political, it's about finding answers for the families of the slain.


Who is Bob?
2013-09-21 07:45:38 PM
1 votes:

Aristocles: Thanks, Obama!


Who's Oba...wait, dammit.
2013-09-21 07:39:44 PM
1 votes:

heap: Ricardo Klement: I am not sure why the Republican Party chose this strategy. If you wanted to maximize the political damage to the Democrats among independents, this isn't how you go about doing it. If you want to maximize energizing your base, you do this. This didn't really make sense during the election - GOP turnout is always pretty good. And, empirically, we lost the election. Was it the idea that money would win the election? It wasn't a bad bet, certainly from a Democrat perspective, because the Democratic Party has been rather upset that Citizens United would lose elections. Maybe the GOP thought the same thing, and opted for energizing the base. Once committed, they can't back down elegantly. Then again, some people might be positioning themselves for 2016. Maybe not the presidency, but a promotion to either leadership positions or to the Senate.

take those considerations, fold them up, and put them in your pocket. that's better.

now consider the possibility that they actually believe their own delusions. they've climbed up their own echo-chambered assholes so far that they haven't seen daylight for years.

why apply reason or causality to a situation where the people being discussed have displayed neither?


Well, the tea party certainly believes in their crap. The question is why the Republican leadership is allowing it.
2013-09-21 07:04:10 PM
1 votes:
Was this during a bathroom break?

cloudfront.mediamatters.org

I guess Issa wouldn't give the parents a bathroom break.  That monster.
2013-09-21 07:01:24 PM
1 votes:

red5ish: The Republicans were really hoping to turn this into a scandal so that they could use it to discredit Hillary Clinton's leadership as Secretary of State when she runs for President (which possibility terrifies them).
What the Republicans should really worry about is their internal division and lack of any prospective candidate who isn't demonstrably a clown or just hideously tainted. (See every GOP candidate from last Presidential election.)


Ya think?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/why-darrell-issa-might-want- to -cancel-his-latest-benghazi-hearing-20130918
2013-09-21 06:59:41 PM
1 votes:

sugardave: thamike: the_dude_abides: fun fact about the "exhaustive" benghazi ARB: state dept did not transcribe the interviews that were conducted. also, despite the fact that the house oversight committee has issued a subpoena demanding them, the state dept is not making the summaries of those interviews available. weird...

Yeah, weird.  Especially weird that anyone can google it and bang, there they are.

You just lost.  See, you thought you would be able to convince the troll to enlighten himself.  Now you just gave him another opportunity to say "prove it, I'm a lazy good-for-nothing information moocher."


I had no illusions about it.  I'm acquainted with his un-dude-like behavior.  I'm perfectly fine with merely letting the Unburdened with Proof generation expose themselves more than they meant to.  Obviously, not for their benefit.
2013-09-21 06:58:41 PM
1 votes:

freak7: notto: You first.  Provide a definitive source for your claim that tells us who stayed for the hearings from both sides of the chamber.  Otherwise, my claim is a good as yours and as well supported.

There are hundreds of sources showing who walked out, I'm not doing your research for you.


Then my claim stands as solid as yours.  More Republicans than Democrats left the hearing before the parents 'testified'.  Just look at the pictures.  Or, you can provide one of these hundreds of sources that show who walked out (from both sides of the aisle).  Or, is this just another unsupported claim you are going to make (and then back peddle from).

Way to go freak!  Thanks for bringing that up to be pointed out.
2013-09-21 06:57:07 PM
1 votes:

freak7: notto: You first.  Provide a definitive source for your claim that tells us who stayed for the hearings from both sides of the chamber.  Otherwise, my claim is a good as yours and as well supported.

There are hundreds of sources showing who walked out, I'm not doing your research for you.


oooo, burn

But, look like you're wrong.  Again.  Imagine that.
2013-09-21 06:55:07 PM
1 votes:
2013-09-21 06:48:22 PM
1 votes:

freak7: Lets hear some justification for the Democrats leaving the meeting before the family member of one of those killed testified.


Kinda funny how you're now trotting out every lame talking point about this so-called scandal now.  So much for just wanting Democrats to admit to whatever small mistakes were made immediately in the wake of a terrorist attack, huh?
2013-09-21 06:48:09 PM
1 votes:

freak7: notto: Let's hear some justification for the Republicans leaving the meeting before the family member of one of those killed testified.  (you do realize that republicans left also, right?)

14 Democrats left, how many Republicans left?


18.
2013-09-21 06:43:59 PM
1 votes:
If this is how Republicans react when we elect an African-American, I can't wait to see what they do when we elect a Vagina-American.
2013-09-21 06:43:33 PM
1 votes:

freak7: Lets hear some justification for the Democrats leaving the meeting before the family member of one of those killed testified.


Let's hear some justification for the Republicans leaving the meeting before the family member of one of those killed testified.  (you do realize that republicans left also, right?)
2013-09-21 06:42:35 PM
1 votes:

max_pooper: Satanic_Hamster: max_pooper: Satanic_Hamster: LarryDan43: I've had farts more important than what happened in Benghazi.

More people have died from me masturbating then died at Bengahzi.

People or kittens?

People.

That is some furious masturbation.


I know a guy who screwed up his knee so bad, he required a cane for a few years. This was caused, somehow, by masturbation, but he wouldn't go further into detail (it was one of those I don't wanna know...but I GOTTA KNOW situations). Some people are into some stuff...
2013-09-21 06:40:50 PM
1 votes:

freak7: notto: Why are you changing the subject from your claims that the administration didn't admit they made mistakes when they did admit that?

They admitted to a couple of minor mistakes, only after it blew up in the media and they could no longer deny them without looking like idiots. Since we know they were so willing to lie about something as minor as the reason for the attack, why are you so sure they're telling the truth about everything else?


So, they were willing to admit that mistakes were made?  Doesn't that directly contradict your earlier claims that you repeated until you changed the subject?
2013-09-21 06:38:50 PM
1 votes:

freak7: notto: Why are you changing the subject from your claims that the administration didn't admit they made mistakes when they did admit that?

They admitted to a couple of minor mistakes, only after it blew up in the media and they could no longer deny them without looking like idiots. Since we know they were so willing to lie about something as minor as the reason for the attack, why are you so sure they're telling the truth about everything else?


Ah, so you ARE complaining that it was too long before they admitted a mistake.  You must be out of your mind with concern about the planet-sized passel of mistakes the GOP-holes and Teahadists make every single second that passes.

You might need to get some good ol' Socialized medicine for that kind of suffering.
2013-09-21 06:31:04 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: Was embassy security insufficient to repel the attack?
Yes.


Did the GOP vote to slash embassy security funding prior to this attack?
Yes.
2013-09-21 06:29:24 PM
1 votes:
The Republicans were really hoping to turn this into a scandal so that they could use it to discredit Hillary Clinton's leadership as Secretary of State when she runs for President (which possibility terrifies them).
What the Republicans should really worry about is their internal division and lack of any prospective candidate who isn't demonstrably a clown or just hideously tainted. (See every GOP candidate from last Presidential election.)
2013-09-21 06:23:04 PM
1 votes:

freak7: sugardave: And one side admits it.

When did they admit to anything, before or after it blew up in the news?


Oh, I'm sorry, I was talking about mistakes as a general concept.  You know, any mistake at all.  Let me know if you have any proof of admitting to mistakes by the GOP-holes re: anything they've done in the last 40 years.

However,  I believe someone already replied to you about this up thread a bit.  Reading comprehension, use it.

Or are you now complaining they took too long to say that mistakes were made?  Because, if you were going to wait for your typical GOP-hole or Teahadist to admit making a mistake, you'd have to wait for the heat death of the universe.  So, yet another win for the libby-lib-liebruls.  Don't you feel foolish?
2013-09-21 06:21:30 PM
1 votes:

freak7: I bet it just blows most of your minds that Boehner agrees with Obama about Syria, doesn't it?


Why are you changing the subject from your claims that the administration didn't admit they made mistakes when they did admit that?  This thread is about the non-scandal of Benghazi.
2013-09-21 06:17:43 PM
1 votes:

freak7: Blame the White House for their refusal to admit that mistakes were made.


They admitted that mistakes were made.  You really should keep up.
2013-09-21 06:16:10 PM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: While not actually visiting Benghazi itself, Issa will be flying out for North Africa on Sunday with stops in Italy and Egypt along the way.

I hear Rome is nice this time of year.


If he's looking for facts about Benghazi, howcome he's not visiting the one place where Benghazi actually happened?
2013-09-21 06:12:24 PM
1 votes:

freak7: Satanic_Hamster: So both sides are bad?

Both sides make mistakes.


And one side admits it.  Guess which side NEVER admits mistakes?  They just can't, because if they did, it might make them look like they don't ALWAYS know the right answer to something.  Huh.  I wonder which side that is?  I can't quite put my finger on it...
2013-09-21 06:12:05 PM
1 votes:

Almost Everybody Poops: They should instead be offering up proposals on how to prevent such an attack from happening again, but of course they haven't because they don't care about that part.


I'm sure that's why they called the parents of the dead staff to testify about.  Certainly it wasn't a political stunt to leverage the death of consulate staff.
2013-09-21 05:45:17 PM
1 votes:
"Republicans forced Admiral Pickering and Ambassador Mullen to submit to closed door depositions and interviews-rather than allowing them to respond at a public hearing-and then sat on those transcripts for months," Cummings toldThe Cable. "Yesterday, these two respected public servants were finally allowed to address the American people and put these unfounded accusations to rest."

GOP-holes and their knob-slobberers: WHY ARE THERE NO TRANSCRIPTS THAT WE WON'T LET PEOPLE HAVE?!
2013-09-21 05:43:01 PM
1 votes:
Why not have the families of the deceased testify every year at around this time. It could be a new congressional oversight tradition. The families provide valuable insights into what it's like to be dragged into a political pig circus and used as props.
2013-09-21 05:32:04 PM
1 votes:

the_dude_abides: sugardave: Yes, even when you're completely wrong you are totally right!  It all makes sense!

hey dummy, still waiting for those transcripts :)


Like I said, you are unable to stop being an information-moocher.  I am totally shocked.  Get on some more o' dem dar bootstraps and start diggin' away!

Also shocked that you are unable to refrain from personal attacks and name-calling.

Hint:  I'm not really shocked.
2013-09-21 05:29:46 PM
1 votes:

freak7: keylock71: Lol... This is what you clods remind me of:

LOL you're incapable of admitting that the Obama administration made any mistakes related to Benghazi.


I am? Please tell me more about what I think, Great Karnack...

You assholes are beating a dead horse, and you're too stupid to realize you've got nothing. Months and months of wasted time and money and you've got nothing except for bloviating from Issa, Graham and McCain.
2013-09-21 05:24:31 PM
1 votes:

the_dude_abides: vygramul: Not as embarrassed as Aristocles should be.

ok so first off, i flipped my lid thinking it was the 9/11 memo and that was obviously stupid. but you really can't compare the two. a warning about an attack on a consulate gives you a much narrower search area. look what happened a few weeks ago, there was chatter from AQ militants threatening attacks and they pulled all the personnel out of all the embassies in the middle east. that's because there's only a handful of "at risk" targets to consider, whereas a memo that says "hey, AQ wants to strike the US" could mean a gazillion things. little can be done beyond a general elevated posture. it's not the same thing, not even the same ballpark IMO.


That memo was completely, totally faked.
2013-09-21 05:16:48 PM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: To think:

If Romney wasn't such a disaster in foreign policy and royally bungled his handling of Benghazi, then the GOP wouldn't have to keep this phony controversy going by trying to make Obama look bad compared to Romney when it comes to foreign policy.

Now it just sounds like sour grapes.



www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com
2013-09-21 05:11:02 PM
1 votes:

freak7: The Obama administration won't even admit to erroneously blaming the attack on an internet video or that when they initially briefed the country, that they were withholding known facts, but hey, they're totally telling the truth about everything else.


So, even assuming you're 110% right here, let look at this.

The sum total of the scandal then, is that they were initially wrong about what caused people to attack the embassy, and that they didn't immediately make public every possible thing they knew?  And that seems like a real scandal to you people? Wow.
2013-09-21 05:06:59 PM
1 votes:

the_dude_abides: vygramul: [i.cdn.turner.com image 560x687]

well that's embarrassing... my bad


Not as embarrassed as Aristocles should be.
2013-09-21 05:04:48 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: [i.cdn.turner.com image 560x687]


well that's embarrassing... my bad
2013-09-21 05:03:13 PM
1 votes:

the_dude_abides: vygramul: [www.bitlogic.com image 536x600]

lol this is the most debunked pile of shiat ever, that report says AQ's gonna attack the US in the broadest terms possible, there's nothing specific or actionable in there. what could have been done at that point that would have possibly prevented the hijackings that happened on 9/11? a general alert? there was no precedent for those attacks because nobody expected THAT scenario. it's the worst kind of monday morning quarterbacking to suggest otherwise.


It's a fake I made based on this:

i.cdn.turner.com
2013-09-21 04:59:22 PM
1 votes:

the_dude_abides: sugardave: You just lost.  See, you thought you would be able to convince the troll to enlighten himself.  Now you just gave him another opportunity to say "prove it, I'm a lazy good-for-nothing information moocher."

maybe you can send a link to the interview transcripts then, i asked mike and he's strangely silent


Maybe you could, you know, stop asking people to do research for you?  I doubt it, though.
2013-09-21 04:55:39 PM
1 votes:

NINDroog: I was watching the footage of the hearing from this week earlier today on CSPAN. Admiral Mike Mullen answered absolutely every question that has arisen. The GOP members of the committee were willfully ignoring everything he said. I guess Admiral Mullen is just another member of the vast Left Wing conspiracy that's out to destroy this country. Although I'm not really surprised, the US Naval Academy has always been an institution with a radical Leftist agenda.

/Seriously though. F$%K all of the Republicans in that hearing. To the man, they were badgering witnesses, putting words into the mouths of the witnesses, and asking leading questions that they would only accept a "yes" or "no" answer to , with the intent of getting a misleading answer. It was revolting to watch them use that hearing for very partisan, very obvious political reasons, while the families of some of the people who died were sitting right there. They are damaging US security and overall foreign policy and anyone voting for them (particularly that scumbag John Mica) is a fool.


Watched the entire hearing - after Issa did his best to keep the Admiral & Ambassador under wraps earlier this year - I figured it would be worth it to listen to the whole thing running in the background - Noting to see here except derp & disrespect directed at the witnesses

/need a report on the total amount spent on this circus, from the GAO, take it out of these clown's salaries - I'd rather feed itinerant, illegal feral hogs with my taxes than be `entertained' by this shiat
2013-09-21 04:48:47 PM
1 votes:

freak7: keylock71: Lol... This is what you clods remind me of:

LOL you're incapable of admitting that the Obama administration made any mistakes related to Benghazi.


Oh this will be good.

Exactly what mistakes were made.
Show your work.
2013-09-21 04:48:02 PM
1 votes:
I was watching the footage of the hearing from this week earlier today on CSPAN. Admiral Mike Mullen answered absolutely every question that has arisen. The GOP members of the committee were willfully ignoring everything he said. I guess Admiral Mullen is just another member of the vast Left Wing conspiracy that's out to destroy this country. Although I'm not really surprised, the US Naval Academy has always been an institution with a radical Leftist agenda.

/Seriously though. F$%K all of the Republicans in that hearing. To the man, they were badgering witnesses, putting words into the mouths of the witnesses, and asking leading questions that they would only accept a "yes" or "no" answer to , with the intent of getting a misleading answer. It was revolting to watch them use that hearing for very partisan, very obvious political reasons, while the families of some of the people who died were sitting right there. They are damaging US security and overall foreign policy and anyone voting for them (particularly that scumbag John Mica) is a fool.
2013-09-21 04:46:22 PM
1 votes:

Heliovdrake: 3 THINGS.1. What possible information could he possibly be getting over a YEAR after the event, that he couldn't get over the phone or via written reports / pictures.2. How much will he be given PER DAY as part of his food budget.3. How much is his trip + Security going to cost the US taxpayer?


Oh ipad formating, how you troll me.

3 THINGS.

1. What possible information could he possibly be getting over a YEAR after the event, that he couldn't get over the phone or via written reports / pictures.

2. How much will he be given PER DAY as part of his food budget.

3. How much is his trip + Security going to cost the US taxpayer?

2013-09-21 04:44:20 PM
1 votes:
3 THINGS.1. What possible information could he possibly be getting over a YEAR after the event, that he couldn't get over the phone or via written reports / pictures.2. How much will he be given PER DAY as part of his food budget.3. How much is his trip + Security going to cost the US taxpayer?
2013-09-21 04:23:12 PM
1 votes:
So he's going on a Benghazi fact finding junket to Egypt and Italy? Why doesn't he fly to the Cayman Islands and visit his money? It makes about as much sense.
2013-09-21 03:54:18 PM
1 votes:

bigsteve3OOO: whidbey: Remind me why Darrell Issa keeps getting re-elected?

Oh right, I forgot it's because you decided to vote for him because Obama isn't doing enough/too much/muh freedoms. Silly me.

Obama is doing quite a bit to my freedoms.  Continuing the work Bush did to limit them.


So why aren't you biatching to congress to change the laws?

I guess it's probably because you don't know how government works and somebody on the radio told you that the executive branch workin within the limits or the law as written by Congress is actually the Presidents fault.
2013-09-21 03:27:43 PM
1 votes:

netcentric: The Democrats wouldn't even stay in the hearings to listen to the families of those who died.    You really think they would go along on a trip to Libya...

They had a year to go if they chose.

Democrats are looking pretty bad these days.


Sorry, I'm just not feeling it.

It's pretty apparent at this point that the "scandal" of Benghazi resides solely in the GOP's blatant desperate attempts to politicize a tragedy, to try to score cheap political points off the corpses of the dead.

Look. I know trying to defend the GOP's asshattery on a daily basis has to wearing on you but really do try try to have some standards.
2013-09-21 03:26:43 PM
1 votes:
WASHINGTON, DC - The first anniversary of the Benghazi tragedy was supposed to be the time for conservatives around the country to descend on the Capitol by the thousands, demanding that Congress reveal the truth. Less than one hundred bothered to show up.

that's from the linked article. issa and Special Operation Speaks haven't been able to garner support for their indignity and SOS attacks on boehner.

but while issa wastes money on his trip the house can strip 40 BILLION from food stamps.

still wonder why after 42 years of being a republican i stopped.

/actually i stopped in 2004 after bush screwed the pooch on afghanistan and iraq. then came 2008 and the republicans went from bad to god awful.
2013-09-21 03:19:59 PM
1 votes:
Inviting democrats to this match might allow them to catch Issa improving his lie.

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2013-09-21 03:12:10 PM
1 votes:

Hastor: As Cumming notes, this isn't even the first time they have done this.  Despite specifically stating that all oversea trips must be bipartisan Issa sent only Repubs over to Libya on a 'fact-finding' mission but concealed the reasoning and did not include any Democrats last October.

I guess we can't complain.  Everyone wanted transparency in government, and this is as transparent a partisan witch hunt as I've ever seen.


I've honest to god never seen anything like it. It's not like PlameGate, where not only was there some 'There' there, it was much higher up than anybody thought, or even Iran Contra where Bill Casey had the good sense to die and take the fall.

This is literally a bunch of nothing.
2013-09-21 03:02:25 PM
1 votes:
The Benghazi truth movement is at least as retarded as the 9/11 truth movement.

Discuss.
2013-09-21 02:49:24 PM
1 votes:

netcentric: The Democrats wouldn't even stay in the hearings to listen to the families of those who died.    You really think they would go along on a trip to Libya...

They had a year to go if they chose.

Democrats are looking pretty bad these days.



Sure, okay.
2013-09-21 02:38:35 PM
1 votes:
It's not like he's interested in finding 'Facts', and The Med is very nice at this time of year.
2013-09-21 02:38:25 PM
1 votes:
Blame the White House for their refusal to admit that mistakes were made.
2013-09-21 02:36:00 PM
1 votes:

King Something: SilentStrider: What are the odds he finds any actual facts?

I'd wager it's about as likely as me voluntarily eating a Chicago-style pizza.

/New Yorker
//Brooklynite


More for me!!!

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/all pizza is good pizza
//currently eating pizza
2013-09-21 02:34:10 PM
1 votes:
I imagine Issa at home, watching TV, cable goes out, he screams, "Damnit, BENGHAZI!"

Seriously, check his Twitter feed. It's 90% Benghazi. His single focus on this is... interesting.
2013-09-21 02:11:55 PM
1 votes:
Issa in Libya
Shaka when the walls fell
2013-09-21 02:11:44 PM
1 votes:

themindiswatching: So Obama "murdered" the ambassador  how again?


Because he failed to authorize the use of warp-speed jets to fly to the area of attack and drop those super-smart bombs that only kill bad guys.  Study it out.
2013-09-21 01:27:14 PM
1 votes:
What are the odds he finds any actual facts?
2013-09-21 12:01:37 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: How much money you wasting on this bullsh*t, Issa?

/you worthless crooked POS


I heard it's costing the taxpayers $200 million a day.
2013-09-21 11:56:58 AM
1 votes:
While not actually visiting Benghazi itself, Issa will be flying out for North Africa on Sunday with stops in Italy and Egypt along the way.

I hear Rome is nice this time of year.
 
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