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(Opposing Views)   Remember that stripper who had a million dollars of her money seized by cops for no reason? Well she STILL hasn't gotten it back   (opposingviews.com) divider line 185
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2013-09-21 10:12:55 AM
And good luck to her.

She should try moving to a free country if she wants to be secure in her papers and her person.
 
2013-09-21 10:20:42 AM
And people want us to give up firearms to these thieves?
 
2013-09-21 10:41:48 AM
There is a significant overlap between the people that are worried about the government confiscating their weaponry and those who wanted to give the cops broad property seizure authority in the name of the "war on drugs" .
 
2013-09-21 10:44:52 AM

F-14Tomcat: There is a significant overlap between the people that are worried about the government confiscating their weaponry and those who wanted to give the cops broad property seizure authority in the name of the "war on drugs" .


Well, I aint one of those kind of folk.

I love drugs

Especially weed and amphetamines
 
2013-09-21 10:56:57 AM
When the forfeiture law was drafted, why didn't they attach a ticking clock? "You can seize the assets for up to 12 months, but if no charges have been filed by that time the assets must be returned."

So the cops can still say, "Hey, we think this money (or whatever) is the proceeds of crime!"  But they still have to PROVE it or return the assets.
 
2013-09-21 11:10:14 AM

Honest Bender: When the forfeiture law was drafted, why didn't they attach a ticking clock? "You can seize the assets for up to 12 months, but if no charges have been filed by that time the assets must be returned."

So the cops can still say, "Hey, we think this money (or whatever) is the proceeds of crime!"  But they still have to PROVE it or return the assets.



You dummy. If they did that, they would have to prove a crime took place and return the money. Duh.
 
2013-09-21 11:12:26 AM
The way it actually works in practice, you wind up spending a lot of time in court trying to prove it wasn't crime related. They drag it out to the point that you are only arguing over the principle because after the time and expense of fighting it is a financial wash or worse.
 
2013-09-21 11:19:06 AM
The police are using the cash to buy backs guns from the public, so they can give them to their right wing gun friends.
 
2013-09-21 11:47:07 AM

F-14Tomcat: The way it actually works in practice, you wind up spending a lot of time in court trying to prove it wasn't crime related. They drag it out to the point that you are only arguing over the principle because after the time and expense of fighting it is a financial wash or worse.


It costs about $10,000 in lawyer fees to get your money back, but if the cops already stole all your money, you can see the problem.
 
2013-09-21 12:01:13 PM
cman:I love drugs

Especially weed and amphetamines


Yeah, they're like chips and dip.
 
2013-09-21 12:03:44 PM

F-14Tomcat: The way it actually works in practice, you wind up spending a lot of time in court trying to prove it wasn't crime related. They drag it out to the point that you are only arguing over the principle because after the time and expense of fighting it is a financial wash or worse.


And in this case, she'd have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't drug money... and all the cops would have to do to beat the "reasonable doubt" standard is say that there's a non-zero chance that at least one of the banknotes that was given to her had changed hands in a drug deal at some point after leaving the mint and before ending up in her thong, whether or not the person who gave her that particular bill was a party to that drug deal.

Considering that the cops could have seized all her worldly possessions right down to the clothes on her back and then arrested her for indecent exposure for walking around naked, she should consider herself lucky that the cops took "only" one million dollars.

/and chances are that even if the courts rule that the cops have to return the money, they'll also rule that if the cops already spent those particular bills, then she's out of luck
 
2013-09-21 12:14:25 PM
If I had a cool mil on the line, damn right I'm going after it.

If we are talking about the normal everyday seizure, a cost benefit analysis is appropriate. The money is one factor but the time and energy expended figure in as well. Let's say you get some cash back but it is a major distraction in your life for years. Sometimes it's best just to write it off and move on.
 
2013-09-21 12:31:58 PM
Guilty until proven innocent.  Thats where we've gone.
 
2013-09-21 12:49:45 PM
Why didn't those cops plant drugs on the couple? It would have saved the state a lot of paperwork.
 
2013-09-21 01:14:28 PM
I have two main reactions to this.

One, asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat and need to be reformed to stop this sort of thing (I.e. Outright theft by the police).

Two, who the hell carries around that much in cash? You're just asking for trouble. There are much better ways to transfer and transport money.
 
2013-09-21 01:14:37 PM
Sounds legit.

If I had a million dollars to invest I would totally give it in cash to some couple to carry around in their trunk.
 
2013-09-21 01:14:56 PM
Kill a cop a day, for good health.
 
2013-09-21 01:15:07 PM
Good, it's obviously drug money.
 
2013-09-21 01:15:26 PM
That's a lot of dollar bills
 
2013-09-21 01:17:38 PM

F-14Tomcat: There is a significant overlap between the people that are worried about the government confiscating their weaponry and those who wanted to give the cops broad property seizure authority in the name of the "war on drugs" .


citation required

Most people who want to keep the federal govt at arms length want it that far out for all reasons.
 
2013-09-21 01:17:44 PM
Considering that she was dumb enough to be driving around with all of that in cash, and she's planning to use the money to invest in a club (I think) I'd say the government is doing her a big favor by holding onto it for her. It would have likely already been burned up and/or stolen. A fool and their money...
 
2013-09-21 01:18:29 PM
I can assure you that her $750,000 is being kept safe in the evidence room.
 
2013-09-21 01:18:36 PM

F-14Tomcat: There is a significant overlap between the people that are worried about the government confiscating their weaponry and those who wanted to give the cops broad property seizure authority in the name of the "war on drugs" .


It's because, while they don't like civil forfeiture, they love the idea of "criminals" getting their stuff taken away and used to fund police departments in lieu of taxes.  It's all fine as long as the victims of the forfeitures belong to what they consider to be outgroups.
 
2013-09-21 01:19:20 PM
I think we are forgetting the whole point here!!! IS SHE HOT???
 
2013-09-21 01:20:01 PM
thisdistractedglobe.com
 
2013-09-21 01:20:38 PM

Rapmaster2000: I can assure you that her $750,000 is being kept safe in the evidence room.


No one is going to confiscate her $625,000
 
2013-09-21 01:21:46 PM

Feel_the_velvet: That's a lot of dollar bills


Just think if it was in Canada?  A million Loonies are heavy!
 
2013-09-21 01:22:26 PM

studs up: F-14Tomcat: There is a significant overlap between the people that are worried about the government confiscating their weaponry and those who wanted to give the cops broad property seizure authority in the name of the "war on drugs" .

citation required

Most people who want to keep the federal govt at arms length want it that far out for all reasons.


For white people, maybe. Ask them how they feel about stop and frisk in NYC.
 
2013-09-21 01:23:04 PM
 
2013-09-21 01:23:17 PM

eas81: I think we are forgetting the whole point here!!! IS SHE HOT???


One million dollars says she is.
 
2013-09-21 01:23:18 PM
"U.S Attorney John Higgins, on the other hand, responded with a much more brief statement, saying the appeal is intended to "protect the interest of the United States."

You sir, are a scumbag.
 
2013-09-21 01:23:43 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Considering that she was dumb enough to be driving around with all of that in cash, and she's planning to use the money to invest in a club (I think) I'd say the government is doing her a big favor by holding onto it for her. It would have likely already been burned up and/or stolen. A fool and their money...


They'll be over to help you soon too. Lucky you.
 
2013-09-21 01:23:55 PM
She should have invested half of it in low risk mutual funds and then taken the other half over to her friend Asadulah who works in securities...
 
2013-09-21 01:25:05 PM
DNRTFA but heard about this on the radio.  She had a mil in her trunk right?  Who the fark does that?  In Florida?  Car theft is a thing there, right?  If you've got a million in clean money, why not have it in 4-5 FDIC insured banks?  Unless it's dirty money or being hid from THE_IRS.. Then this got a whole lot murkier.

/Nothing good happens after the sun goes down.  Especially if you're hanging out on the stoop in Chicago.
 
2013-09-21 01:25:35 PM

Doc Daneeka: I have two main reactions to this.

One, asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat and need to be reformed to stop this sort of thing (I.e. Outright theft by the police).

Two, who the hell carries around that much in cash? You're just asking for trouble. There are much better ways to transfer and transport money.


This.  Period.  Thread over, thanks for participating, everyone.
 
2013-09-21 01:27:07 PM
HA!

Good luck getting a million dollars back from the cops.

/You don't tug on Superman's cape...
 
2013-09-21 01:27:52 PM

cman: And people want us to give up firearms to these thieves?


When was the last time a gun helped an individual in a disagreement with the police?
 
2013-09-21 01:28:00 PM

Jay CiR: Doc Daneeka: I have two main reactions to this.

One, asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat and need to be reformed to stop this sort of thing (I.e. Outright theft by the police).

Two, who the hell carries around that much in cash? You're just asking for trouble. There are much better ways to transfer and transport money.

This.  Period.  Thread over, thanks for participating, everyone.


Theft by the cops is OK because people are dumbasses.  Got it.
 
2013-09-21 01:28:01 PM

jaytkay: studs up: F-14Tomcat: There is a significant overlap between the people that are worried about the government confiscating their weaponry and those who wanted to give the cops broad property seizure authority in the name of the "war on drugs" .

citation required

Most people who want to keep the federal govt at arms length want it that far out for all reasons.

For white people, maybe. Ask them how they feel about stop and frisk in NYC.


So non-whites want the federal govt to be more intrusive? Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. Why would non-whites be fans of stop and frisk? I would think the opposite would be true, but, I don't live in non-white NYC. Not being sarcastic when I say, "please go on".
 
2013-09-21 01:28:23 PM
But you don't understand. The cops really want that money.
 
2013-09-21 01:29:33 PM

F-14Tomcat: There is a significant overlap between the people that are worried about the government confiscating their weaponry and those who wanted to give the cops broad property seizure authority in the name of the "war on drugs" .


Citation?
 
2013-09-21 01:29:38 PM

studs up: Rapmaster2000: I can assure you that her $750,000 is being kept safe in the evidence room.

No one is going to confiscate her $625,000


We'll return her $125,000 once we're sure it's clean.
 
2013-09-21 01:30:00 PM
i think the cops are wrong but i have to wonder who just has a million in cash hanging around and thinks its a good deal to just let someone put it in their trunk.

needs to see pics of the stripper (dnrtfa) but it almost sounds like it was from undeclared income and 'tips'. i wonder if the IRS is interested...or will be.
 
2013-09-21 01:30:14 PM

cman: And people want us to give up firearms to these thieves?


That's kinda the point to giving up the guns.  The thieves want nobody able to oppose them when they steal and enslave everybody and everything.  Need proof?  Just look to Germany.
 
2013-09-21 01:30:20 PM

eas81: Better story here


Anything is better than Opposing Views. It's on my NeverRead list, along with Buzz Feed, and the British tabloids (chiefly Daily Fail).
 
2013-09-21 01:31:35 PM

Doc Daneeka: I have two main reactions to this.

One, asset forfeiture laws are bullshiat and need to be reformed to stop this sort of thing (I.e. Outright theft by the police).

Two, who the hell carries around that much in cash? You're just asking for trouble. There are much better ways to transfer and transport money.


She was avoiding reporting her tips to the taxman. Waiters, bartenders, strippers, etc all always have a lot of cash.
 
2013-09-21 01:31:39 PM

studs up: Not being sarcastic


True.

Being a disingenuous asshole is different from being sarcastic.
 
2013-09-21 01:32:42 PM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7943100/86598972#c86598972" target="_blank">jaytkay</a>:</b> <i>Sounds legit.

If I had a million dollars to invest I would totally give it in cash to some couple to carry around in their trunk.</i>

Who farking cares if its "legit"? We are supposed to have the right to be treated as "innocent until proven guilty". But, like our other rights, we just don't care enough to do a damn thing as they slowly slip away.
 
2013-09-21 01:32:48 PM

oukewldave: Feel_the_velvet: That's a lot of dollar bills

Just think if it was in Canada?  A million Loonies are heavy!


Do they even have strip clubs in Canada?  How would that work with the Loonies?
 
2013-09-21 01:32:49 PM
It is entirely possible the police are the next generation of mafia getting their collection from the citizens of the United States.

And the next time the average, maybe even relatively honest cop wonders why he is being hated, stuff like this is why.
 
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