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(Kansas City)   Um, guys? Guys? Um, the Royals won another game, and, um, they won't have a losing season this year, and, um, they've got that going for them. Guys?   (kansascity.com) divider line 68
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2013-09-21 12:12:28 PM  
Yes, and they are 2   1/2 games out of the wild card.   Long shot, but not too shabby for a team that I was hoping would just get to see .500 this year.
 
2013-09-21 12:15:31 PM  
It's not that unsuspected. Starting pitching was what they needed to be a contender. They went out and got it. They pitch well and play great defense. More power would be nice thou. Also kudos to the coaching staff for turning Hosmer around. Hopefully Yost is not the skipper next year. Glass said it's Moore's call thou.
 
2013-09-21 12:15:32 PM  
Wow, they're guaranteed to get at least a .500 record this year? I guess that was a good trade for them.
 
2013-09-21 12:18:38 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Hopefully Yost is not the skipper next year.


Why would you want to get rid of the manager that has the Royals having their best season in a long time?
 
2013-09-21 12:20:23 PM  

freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Hopefully Yost is not the skipper next year.

Why would you want to get rid of the manager that has the Royals having their best season in a long time?


In the last 2 weeks or so, Ned Yost's tactical blunders have probably cost them at least two wins.

He's TERRIBLE
 
2013-09-21 12:25:00 PM  
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2013-09-21 12:26:30 PM  

freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Hopefully Yost is not the skipper next year.

Why would you want to get rid of the manager that has the Royals having their best season in a long time?




Have you watched a lot of Royals games? Yost by my own estimates has cost them 7-10 games thou mismanagement. Heck I can think of at least two in September. Most notably last Sunday vs the Tigers. He has a great pen but often leaves his starters in to long. This is the last couple of weeks yank them at a whiff of trouble.
 
2013-09-21 12:28:34 PM  

DeWayne Mann: freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Hopefully Yost is not the skipper next year.

Why would you want to get rid of the manager that has the Royals having their best season in a long time?

In the last 2 weeks or so, Ned Yost's tactical blunders have probably cost them at least two wins.

He's TERRIBLE


Yost is going to get Phil Garner syndrome. The 1992 Brewers and 2005 Astros cover up so many shiatty teams of his.
 
2013-09-21 12:31:41 PM  

Gosling: DeWayne Mann: freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Hopefully Yost is not the skipper next year.

Why would you want to get rid of the manager that has the Royals having their best season in a long time?

In the last 2 weeks or so, Ned Yost's tactical blunders have probably cost them at least two wins.

He's TERRIBLE

Yost is going to get Phil Garner syndrome. The 1992 Brewers and 2005 Astros cover up so many shiatty teams of his.


My understanding is that Ned Yost is willing to work for peanuts.

So basically, if you're a cheap owner who doesn't care and just wants someone who has managerial experience, Ned's your guy.
 
2013-09-21 12:32:31 PM  
Good. Perennially bad teams are bad for the sport.
 
2013-09-21 12:36:03 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: He has a great pen but often leaves his starters in to long.


Hey at least he works for cheap.  You could be paying Dusty Baker a lot more money to do the same thing.
 
2013-09-21 12:36:26 PM  

freak7: Why would you want to get rid of the manager that has the Royals having their best season in a long time?


I'm guessing you're never experienced Ned Yost in all his glory.
 
2013-09-21 12:40:54 PM  
If the Rangers wont get off their ass...and they wont...then my wild card preferences are:

1. No Yankees
2. KC
3. Cleveland
4. NO YANKEES!
 
2013-09-21 12:43:40 PM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: If the Rangers wont get off their ass...and they wont...then my wild card preferences are:

1. No Yankees
2. KC
3. Cleveland
4. NO YANKEES!


The magic number today is 6 Yankee losses until Yankee Elimination Day
 
2013-09-21 12:44:14 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Gosling: DeWayne Mann: freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Hopefully Yost is not the skipper next year.

Why would you want to get rid of the manager that has the Royals having their best season in a long time?

In the last 2 weeks or so, Ned Yost's tactical blunders have probably cost them at least two wins.

He's TERRIBLE

Yost is going to get Phil Garner syndrome. The 1992 Brewers and 2005 Astros cover up so many shiatty teams of his.

My understanding is that Ned Yost is willing to work for peanuts.

So basically, if you're a cheap owner who doesn't care and just wants someone who has managerial experience, Ned's your guy.




When Trey was fired and Yost was hired it was understood the remainder of 2010 was going to suck. 2011 was the year the team would come up. Hosmer, Moose, Cain etc. Moore said when he hired Yost it was for developing his team. He was given 2011-2012 to do it. If he can't get us to the next step it's time to move on.
 
2013-09-21 12:44:29 PM  
Meanwhile, the Indians are currently holding the second Wild Card slot, despite being a team that is (A) owned by Dolans and (B) based in Cleveland.
 
2013-09-21 12:48:37 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Yost by my own estimates has cost them 7-10 games thou mismanagement.


Fans of every team say the same thing about their managers. I'm a Tigers fan and listening to some people biatch, they think the Tigers would be undefeated if not for Leyland.

So Yost is responsible for 7 losses you say. Let me guess, the players are responsible for all the wins, right?
 
2013-09-21 12:49:00 PM  

freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Hopefully Yost is not the skipper next year.

Why would you want to get rid of the manager that has the Royals having their best season in a long time?




I don't know. Let's ask Hal or Whitey
 
2013-09-21 12:51:21 PM  

freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Yost by my own estimates has cost them 7-10 games thou mismanagement.

Fans of every team say the same thing about their managers. I'm a Tigers fan and listening to some people biatch, they think the Tigers would be undefeated if not for Leyland.

So Yost is responsible for 7 losses you say. Let me guess, the players are responsible for all the wins, right?




Did you watch last Sunday vs the Tigers? Santana was gassed and shouldn't have gone out his last inning.
 
2013-09-21 12:51:51 PM  

freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Yost by my own estimates has cost them 7-10 games thou mismanagement.

Fans of every team say the same thing about their managers. I'm a Tigers fan and listening to some people biatch, they think the Tigers would be undefeated if not for Leyland.

So Yost is responsible for 7 losses you say. Let me guess, the players are responsible for all the wins, right?


Here, read this:

http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2013/09/yosted.html

And then there was the time when he left Guthrie in for no reason other than to get him a W. Instead, the whole team got an L.
 
2013-09-21 12:56:04 PM  
This is a nice change of pace, but I can't see myself getting really invested until we make the playoffs.
 
2013-09-21 12:59:18 PM  

freak7: So Yost is responsible for 7 losses you say. Let me guess, the players are responsible for all the wins, right?


It wasn't Ned Yost who threw Prince Fielder out at home from deep right field.
 
2013-09-21 01:00:43 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Did you watch last Sunday vs the Tigers? Santana was gassed and shouldn't have gone out his last inning.


Guthrie pitched, not Santana. So if Guthrie is pulled, you can say without a doubt that the Tigers don't win that game?
 
2013-09-21 01:02:52 PM  

Mentat: freak7: So Yost is responsible for 7 losses you say. Let me guess, the players are responsible for all the wins, right?

It wasn't Ned Yost who threw Prince Fielder out at home from deep right field.




Left field. Gordon-Escobar-Perez. Prince going first to home was mismanagement on Leylands part.
 
2013-09-21 01:06:04 PM  

Mentat: It wasn't Ned Yost who threw Prince Fielder out at home from deep right field.


It's absurd that you actually believe that managers are only responsible when a team loses.
 
2013-09-21 01:06:14 PM  

freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Did you watch last Sunday vs the Tigers? Santana was gassed and shouldn't have gone out his last inning.

Guthrie pitched, not Santana. So if Guthrie is pulled, you can say without a doubt that the Tigers don't win that game?




Your right it was Guthrie. No I can't say that but Yost still should have pulled him.
 
2013-09-21 01:06:39 PM  
Oh and by the way, Fielder was thrown out by the left fielder.
 
2013-09-21 01:07:15 PM  
The Pittsburgh Pirates are likely to make the post-season.

The Cleveland Indians are in a position to make the post-season.

The Kansas City Royals are likely to have a winning record.

REPENT!
THE APOCALYPSE IS NIGH!!!
 
2013-09-21 01:09:31 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Prince going first to home was mismanagement on Leylands part.


I have no idea about the play to which you are referring, but how is a runner trying to go from first to home the responsibility of the manager and not the third base coach?
 
2013-09-21 01:11:25 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Hopefully Yost is not the skipper next year.

Why would you want to get rid of the manager that has the Royals having their best season in a long time?

Have you watched a lot of Royals games? Yost by my own estimates has cost them 7-10 games thou mismanagement. Heck I can think of at least two in September. Most notably last Sunday vs the Tigers. He has a great pen but often leaves his starters in to long. This is the last couple of weeks yank them at a whiff of trouble.


I do think that motivating players and keeping them playing hard / well is more important than in game management, and the motivational side of managing is harder to judge and observe.

That's not to defend Yost.  I haven't really watched him much, and it sounds like he's shooting the team in the foot.

My money for worst / most overrated manager is Mike Scioscia.  His team plays like fat sacks of fat, and every time I watch an Angels game, he's making some sort of hideous bullpen mistake.
 
2013-09-21 01:13:39 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: but Yost still should have pulled him.


Who knows more about the game and the players, you or Yost? You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it's a little absurd to think you know better than a guy with decades of experience. There's no way Yost is going to be fired after taking the Royals to their best record in 20 years or so.
 
2013-09-21 01:18:48 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: Mid_mo_mad_man: Prince going first to home was mismanagement on Leylands part.

I have no idea about the play to which you are referring, but how is a runner trying to go from first to home the responsibility of the manager and not the third base coach?




It was The Tigers ninth down by one with two outs. Prince is on first. A ball is hit over Gordon's head. So instead of two men on they try to test Gordon. Which they should know is not wise. Prince is out at the plate losing the game.
 
2013-09-21 01:28:15 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: It was The Tigers ninth down by one with two outs. Prince is on first. A ball is hit over Gordon's head. So instead of two men on they try to test Gordon. Which they should know is not wise. Prince is out at the plate losing the game.


See, this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. The next guy to bat for the Tigers would have been Holaday, a right handed batter that is horrible against righties. There's almost no chance of him getting a hit against Holland, so taking a chance and sending Fielder is by far the better decision.
 
2013-09-21 01:31:16 PM  

Frow: Yes, and they are 2   1/2 games out of the wild card.   Long shot, but not too shabby for a team that I was hoping would just get to see .500 this year.


Long shot? Same record as the Orioles, who just wasted their bullpen in an 18-inning loss. Better record than the Yankees.
 
2013-09-21 01:32:45 PM  

Robo Beat: Meanwhile, the Indians are currently holding the second Wild Card slot, despite being a team that is (A) owned by Dolans and (B) based in Cleveland.


Yet all these idiots in local media Dolan shills keep talking about is the pathetic attendance.  I hear more about that than the team making the playoffs.  These brain trusts for some reason can't fathom that people are turned off from the Indians because of Dolans.  I know I won't spend a dime on a team who's owner literally blamed the fans for the quality of product on the field and never in the future decide that was wrong and should apologize or something.  In what business world would that make sense?  I'm going to own a restaurant and tell everyone come to my restaurant that has bad food so then I can afford to get good food down the line sometime and it's your fault if my food sucks because you won't come here!
 
2013-09-21 01:33:50 PM  

freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: but Yost still should have pulled him.

Who knows more about the game and the players, you or Yost? You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it's a little absurd to think you know better than a guy with decades of experience. There's no way Yost is going to be fired after taking the Royals to their best record in 20 years or so.


Well it wouldn't be the first time it happened to him. That said his contract is up at the end of the year. It's good Moore is holding off till after the season is over. Glass said he's pleased with Moore and Yost and will leave it up to Moore.
 
2013-09-21 01:40:18 PM  

dave2198: Frow: Yes, and they are 2   1/2 games out of the wild card.   Long shot, but not too shabby for a team that I was hoping would just get to see .500 this year.

Long shot? Same record as the Orioles, who just wasted their bullpen in an 18-inning loss. Better record than the Yankees.


...ok? They still need to pass at least two of the Indians, Rays & Rangers, while not letting the Orioles or Yanks get back ahead of them.

Most likely, just to tie for the second wild card, the Royals will need to win 7 of their last 9 games. That's not a long shot in your world?
 
2013-09-21 01:41:45 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: but Yost still should have pulled him.

Who knows more about the game and the players, you or Yost? You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it's a little absurd to think you know better than a guy with decades of experience. There's no way Yost is going to be fired after taking the Royals to their best record in 20 years or so.

Well it wouldn't be the first time it happened to him. That said his contract is up at the end of the year. It's good Moore is holding off till after the season is over. Glass said he's pleased with Moore and Yost and will leave it up to Moore.


This will always be my favorite joke: Link
 
2013-09-21 02:01:06 PM  
As a Brewers fan, I can tell you Yost has always left starting pitchers in too long
 
2013-09-21 02:01:08 PM  

mikaloyd: DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: If the Rangers wont get off their ass...and they wont...then my wild card preferences are:

1. No Yankees
2. KC
3. Cleveland
4. NO YANKEES!

The magic number today is 6 Yankee losses until Yankee Elimination Day


Ya know how I know you don't know how magic numbers work?  Study it out.
 
2013-09-21 02:06:02 PM  
For the next two days, I'm a Royals fan. I also wouldn't mind seeing them grab a wild-card spot. Hopefully it would cause David Glass to have a stroke.
 
2013-09-21 02:27:05 PM  

Cagey B: For the next two days, I'm a Royals fan. I also wouldn't mind seeing them grab a wild-card spot. Hopefully it would cause David Glass to have a stroke.


I dislike Glass as much as the next guy but I rather have stable ownership right now. Granted his son would probably take over but you never know.
 
2013-09-21 02:37:22 PM  

Mentat: Mid_mo_mad_man: freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: but Yost still should have pulled him.

Who knows more about the game and the players, you or Yost? You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it's a little absurd to think you know better than a guy with decades of experience. There's no way Yost is going to be fired after taking the Royals to their best record in 20 years or so.

Well it wouldn't be the first time it happened to him. That said his contract is up at the end of the year. It's good Moore is holding off till after the season is over. Glass said he's pleased with Moore and Yost and will leave it up to Moore.

This will always be my favorite joke: Link


The Bob Gibson line is where I really lost it.
 
2013-09-21 02:39:19 PM  

oukewldave: Robo Beat: Meanwhile, the Indians are currently holding the second Wild Card slot, despite being a team that is (A) owned by Dolans and (B) based in Cleveland.

Yet all these idiots in local media Dolan shills keep talking about is the pathetic attendance.  I hear more about that than the team making the playoffs.  These brain trusts for some reason can't fathom that people are turned off from the Indians because of Dolans.  I know I won't spend a dime on a team who's owner literally blamed the fans for the quality of product on the field and never in the future decide that was wrong and should apologize or something.  In what business world would that make sense?  I'm going to own a restaurant and tell everyone come to my restaurant that has bad food so then I can afford to get good food down the line sometime and it's your fault if my food sucks because you won't come here!


Running into a similar problem with Lew Wolff and the A's. I was planning to go to one of the games this weekend if we had a chance to see them clinch, but then Wolff went out and got all whiny and self-piteous about the attendance only being 22K average at the Coliseum (when the place is nigh impossible to get to mid-week). biatching about the fans not coming out when you have been openly saying you want to take the team away from them is never a good plan, especially when you are getting so much money out of TV deals and revenue sharing.

I might still go Sunday if they don't clinch today and if the magic number is one (or if the Rangers will finish their game first, unlike tonight) but I'll buy the tickets from StubHub and smuggle in food. No revenue for Wolff when he is being a dick.
 
2013-09-21 02:58:48 PM  

jayhawk88: Mentat: Mid_mo_mad_man: freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: but Yost still should have pulled him.

Who knows more about the game and the players, you or Yost? You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it's a little absurd to think you know better than a guy with decades of experience. There's no way Yost is going to be fired after taking the Royals to their best record in 20 years or so.

Well it wouldn't be the first time it happened to him. That said his contract is up at the end of the year. It's good Moore is holding off till after the season is over. Glass said he's pleased with Moore and Yost and will leave it up to Moore.

This will always be my favorite joke: Link

The Bob Gibson line is where I really lost it.


It should have had him signing as a fa with the Yankees. Just to keep it real.

JayCab: oukewldave: Robo Beat: Meanwhile, the Indians are currently holding the second Wild Card slot, despite being a team that is (A) owned by Dolans and (B) based in Cleveland.

Yet all these idiots in local media Dolan shills keep talking about is the pathetic attendance.  I hear more about that than the team making the playoffs.  These brain trusts for some reason can't fathom that people are turned off from the Indians because of Dolans.  I know I won't spend a dime on a team who's owner literally blamed the fans for the quality of product on the field and never in the future decide that was wrong and should apologize or something.  In what business world would that make sense?  I'm going to own a restaurant and tell everyone come to my restaurant that has bad food so then I can afford to get good food down the line sometime and it's your fault if my food sucks because you won't come here!

Running into a similar problem with Lew Wolff and the A's. I was planning to go to one of the games this weekend if we had a chance to see them clinch, but then Wolff went out and got all whiny and self-piteous about the attendance only being 22K average at the Coliseum (when the place is nigh impossible to get to mid-week). biatching about the fans not coming out when you have been openly saying you want to take the team away from them is never a good plan, especially when you are getting so much money out of TV deals and revenue sharing.

I might still go Sunday if they don't clinch today and if the magic number is one (or if the Rangers will finish their game first, unlike tonight) but I'll buy the tickets from StubHub and smuggle in food. No revenue for Wolff when he is being a dick.



Why smuggle food in? Can't you bring it in openly? At Kauffman your aloud to bring in food. Only thing they regulate is beverages. Water only and it has to be sealed. Coolers are limited to six pack size soft size. Will be at the game Sunday with the misses.
 
2013-09-21 03:43:38 PM  

Frow: Yes, and they are 2   1/2 games out of the wild card.   Long shot, but not too shabby for a team that I was hoping would just get to see .500 this year.


BP gives the Royals a 6.4% chance at the postseason as of today...  which is like four times as much of a chance as they had the last time I checked.
 
2013-09-21 03:47:52 PM  

machoprogrammer: As a Brewers fan, I can tell you Yost has always left starting pitchers in too long


Yup
 
2013-09-21 03:56:33 PM  

steveGswine: Frow: Yes, and they are 2   1/2 games out of the wild card.   Long shot, but not too shabby for a team that I was hoping would just get to see .500 this year.

BP gives the Royals a 6.4% chance at the postseason as of today...  which is like four times as much of a chance as they had the last time I checked.


It's been fluctuating between 2-8% for weeks.  Every time it looks like they're about to break through, something goes wrong.
 
2013-09-21 04:39:32 PM  
Managers get way too much blame for losses. Arm chair baseball management is the absolute worst.
 
2013-09-21 05:56:32 PM  

freak7: Mid_mo_mad_man: Yost by my own estimates has cost them 7-10 games thou mismanagement.

Fans of every team say the same thing about their managers. I'm a Tigers fan and if anyone was listening to some people  the idiots who are biatching, they think the Tigers would be out of the playoffs already if not for Leyland.

So Yost is responsible for 7 losses you say. Let me guess, the players are responsible for all the wins, right?


Leyland, for all of his faults, is one of the reasons this team is winning despite Verlander pitching for shiat (that, and Scherzer discovering that he is, in fact, a real MLB starting pitcher).
 
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