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2013-09-21 11:57:29 AM
Awww pharket.
 
2013-09-21 12:43:11 PM
They were stopped from building their own boats on their own property?  That's a thing?  Are you working illegally in the industry if you're merely pursuing a hobby?
 
2013-09-21 12:54:16 PM
There once was a man from Nantucket ...
 
2013-09-21 12:57:08 PM
Overbearing totalitarianism and those that lick the jackboots is a greater threat.
 
2013-09-21 12:57:08 PM
Mr. Raymond Luxury Yacht is really not available for comment.
 
2013-09-21 12:57:36 PM

The Ice Cream Man: There once was a man from Nantucket ...


...His boat was too big for Phuket
 
2013-09-21 12:59:43 PM
"let's go do some crimes!"
"yeah, we'll go get chateaubriand and not pay for it!"
 
2013-09-21 01:01:43 PM
Looks like junk data to me.
 
2013-09-21 01:02:14 PM

unyon: They were stopped from building their own boats on their own property?  That's a thing?  Are you working illegally in the industry if you're merely pursuing a hobby?


I wonder if cooking for yourself is illegal too.
 
2013-09-21 01:02:25 PM

New Age Redneck: "let's go do some crimes!"
"yeah, we'll go get chateaubriand and not pay for it!"


oi44.tinypic.com
 
2013-09-21 01:06:18 PM
Thailand, not the US.

Were these foreign nationals on residency visas (or the equivalent in Thailand)? Did their residency visas have stipulations about things like this? Thailand is has a lot of islands as part of it's territory. It may be against the terms of their visa to build/own an ocean going vessel without prior consent/registration. Considering the amount of human trafficking/piracy/smuggling that goes on over there, it would make sense.

In saying that though, it was probably the locals forced to do a crackdown and the easiest targets are foreigners. Saves them annoying someone who is helping fund their lifestyle.
 
2013-09-21 01:07:27 PM
Anything with that many extra consonants should always be a crime.
 
2013-09-21 01:08:28 PM
I wonder if this is a case of "of course it's just a hobby and I can't wait to take her out". "Oh the five I built last year, well I'm not a very good sailor and they all sank.
 
2013-09-21 01:09:51 PM

unyon: They were stopped from building their own boats on their own property?  That's a thing?  Are you working illegally in the industry if you're merely pursuing a hobby?


They probably aren't legally resident in Thailand, or if they are then I'd assume they are on a tourist visa and have to do the border trick every few weeks, either way they shouldn't be working and the Thais decided they were working.
Maybe there's more to it, maybe a boat said something mean about Bhumibol Adulyadej and now he wants all the boats (and owners, and builders thereof) to feel his wrath.
 
2013-09-21 01:10:57 PM
Now I want curry.
 
2013-09-21 01:11:51 PM

"Hey, the professor's had another great idea to get off the island. We'll build a boat made from coconut paste!"


www.phuketgazette.net

 l3.yimg.com
 
2013-09-21 01:25:10 PM
"It's easy to grin when your ship comes in and you've got the stock market beat.  But the man worthwhile is the man who can smile when his shorts are too tight in the seat".
 
2013-09-21 01:25:48 PM
Am I the only one who was surprised this wasn't in America?
 
2013-09-21 01:29:19 PM

Mrbogey: Am I the only one who was surprised this wasn't in America?


Nope.
 
2013-09-21 01:32:27 PM

Mrbogey: Am I the only one who was surprised this wasn't in America?


Almost.
 
2013-09-21 01:35:36 PM
Interesting, I thought this was going to be about immigration in the sense of "people are yachting from country to country and avoiding customs," not "illegal immigrants are building yachts and taking jerbs from our native yachtbuilders."

But just out of curiosity, what's stopping me from taking my yacht (or, more likely, my rowboat) and just violating the heck out of a hundred different countries' territorial integrity? I know they check my passport at the international terminal of an airport, or when I get off a cruise ship, or when I try to drive my car across a border, or when I walk across that one bridge at Niagara Falls, etc. But there are, like, a zillion places you can just zip your boat right up to... right? And given that smugglers and other Evil-Doers have boats and have probably thought about this, I'm assuming there's some countermeasures, but I can't think of how that would work. Do we have the Coast Guard out there with some kind of tachyon detection grid at the 12-mile limit? Lotta coastline out in the world.

I realize this is probably a pretty stupid question (have at me, Fark!) but it's just something I'd never thought about before.
 
2013-09-21 01:36:06 PM
lifeboat

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Tough crowd.
 
2013-09-21 01:48:45 PM
semiotix:  Do we have the Coast Guard out there with some kind of tachyon detection grid at the 12-mile limit?

Yep... only they call it RADAR.

& in the US there's also SOSUS.
 
2013-09-21 01:50:12 PM

semiotix: Interesting, I thought this was going to be about immigration in the sense of "people are yachting from country to country and avoiding customs," not "illegal immigrants are building yachts and taking jerbs from our native yachtbuilders."

But just out of curiosity, what's stopping me from taking my yacht (or, more likely, my rowboat) and just violating the heck out of a hundred different countries' territorial integrity? I know they check my passport at the international terminal of an airport, or when I get off a cruise ship, or when I try to drive my car across a border, or when I walk across that one bridge at Niagara Falls, etc. But there are, like, a zillion places you can just zip your boat right up to... right? And given that smugglers and other Evil-Doers have boats and have probably thought about this, I'm assuming there's some countermeasures, but I can't think of how that would work. Do we have the Coast Guard out there with some kind of tachyon detection grid at the 12-mile limit? Lotta coastline out in the world.

I realize this is probably a pretty stupid question (have at me, Fark!) but it's just something I'd never thought about before.


Google "The rum line" for an interesting divergence from your question. It's an old nautical issue that the coast guard deals with. Generally, you "can" do it but you may run afoul of some country's laws if you sail into their territory without telling them first or having paperwork verifying ownership of the craft and identification of all passengers.
 
2013-09-21 01:50:52 PM
Thailand's one of those places suggested as "where to move when you wanna live cheap" so I could see a German or Swiss being found doing a project. It's not like they could build a yacht in their home countries, so we're probably looking at some Thai officials looking to make a point.

I'd guess their real illegal labor problem has more to do with Cambodians.
 
2013-09-21 01:58:20 PM
Yatching?    Phuket.
 
2013-09-21 01:58:39 PM

Mrbogey: Am I the only one who was surprised this wasn't in America?


I saw phuketgazette.net and figured New England for sure.
Lot of foreigners there.
 
2013-09-21 02:02:41 PM

chewd: Yep... only they call it RADAR.


I just figured that either little boats wouldn't reliably set it off, or that there'd be too goddamn many of them to keep track of, especially since boats presumably leave from the US coast and return (legally) all the time. But okay. Obviously the drug lords are building those semi-submersibles for a reason, so I guess it works.

/tachyons would still be cooler
 
2013-09-21 02:16:05 PM
Phuket anyway, let's go bowling.
 
2013-09-21 02:30:23 PM

semiotix: Interesting, I thought this was going to be about immigration in the sense of "people are yachting from country to country and avoiding customs," not "illegal immigrants are building yachts and taking jerbs from our native yachtbuilders."

But just out of curiosity, what's stopping me from taking my yacht (or, more likely, my rowboat) and just violating the heck out of a hundred different countries' territorial integrity? I know they check my passport at the international terminal of an airport, or when I get off a cruise ship, or when I try to drive my car across a border, or when I walk across that one bridge at Niagara Falls, etc. But there are, like, a zillion places you can just zip your boat right up to... right? And given that smugglers and other Evil-Doers have boats and have probably thought about this, I'm assuming there's some countermeasures, but I can't think of how that would work. Do we have the Coast Guard out there with some kind of tachyon detection grid at the 12-mile limit? Lotta coastline out in the world.

I realize this is probably a pretty stupid question (have at me, Fark!) but it's just something I'd never thought about before.


It's generally illegal to enter a country from another country without going through a legal "port of entry".  So while you *can* just pop into a cove or some small town marina, if the coasties or INS catches you, you are gonna be in trouble.  It's sort of like the US- Canada border.  There is no fence for most of it, just a strip of land they keep bulldozed so you can see the stone border markers they have placed at regular intervals.  Physically you could just walk over, but technically it would be illegal entry.

Not sure how anal they are about just cruising through territorial waters though.
 
2013-09-21 03:30:34 PM
You want anal, try a ladyboy.
 
2013-09-21 03:41:25 PM
I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht.
 
2013-09-21 06:01:08 PM
zapp.trakt.us
As a man who has thirty years of naval experience, I can say at all confidence that if that crew got together and shot Gilligan, they'd have been off that island in a week. Problem solved.
 
2013-09-21 06:38:43 PM

YoOjo: unyon: They were stopped from building their own boats on their own property?  That's a thing?  Are you working illegally in the industry if you're merely pursuing a hobby?

They probably aren't legally resident in Thailand, or if they are then I'd assume they are on a tourist visa and have to do the border trick every few weeks, either way they shouldn't be working and the Thais decided they were working.
Maybe there's more to it, maybe a boat said something mean about Bhumibol Adulyadej and now he wants all the boats (and owners, and builders thereof) to feel his wrath.


It's also possible that they violated local rules against things like being your own electrician in America, sure you can do it but you can also get your house condemned (or burned down) for innocently violating wiring codes. Boating is really important in Indonesia and it's possible that there are strict rules about getting permits to build a boat.
 
2013-09-22 12:32:19 AM

DrunkWithImpotence: semiotix: Interesting, I thought this was going to be about immigration in the sense of "people are yachting from country to country and avoiding customs," not "illegal immigrants are building yachts and taking jerbs from our native yachtbuilders."

But just out of curiosity, what's stopping me from taking my yacht (or, more likely, my rowboat) and just violating the heck out of a hundred different countries' territorial integrity? I know they check my passport at the international terminal of an airport, or when I get off a cruise ship, or when I try to drive my car across a border, or when I walk across that one bridge at Niagara Falls, etc. But there are, like, a zillion places you can just zip your boat right up to... right? And given that smugglers and other Evil-Doers have boats and have probably thought about this, I'm assuming there's some countermeasures, but I can't think of how that would work. Do we have the Coast Guard out there with some kind of tachyon detection grid at the 12-mile limit? Lotta coastline out in the world.

I realize this is probably a pretty stupid question (have at me, Fark!) but it's just something I'd never thought about before.

It's generally illegal to enter a country from another country without going through a legal "port of entry".  So while you *can* just pop into a cove or some small town marina, if the coasties or INS catches you, you are gonna be in trouble.  It's sort of like the US- Canada border.  There is no fence for most of it, just a strip of land they keep bulldozed so you can see the stone border markers they have placed at regular intervals.  Physically you could just walk over, but technically it would be illegal entry.

Not sure how anal they are about just cruising through territorial waters though.


Funny enough, I just cleared through Canadian Customs about 3-hours ago, at Bedwell Harbor. The rules stipulate when you're entering another country via private boat, you have to enter via a port of entry. In Canada, if you make landfall (be it dock, buoy, or even dropping anchor) before coming up to a customs dock, it's an automatic $1,000 fine. Here at Bedwell Harbor, this time of year, you just walk up to the customs office and use the phones on the side to call into a main customs office. They check you and your boat via remote cams, and go over your boat registration number. They ask the number of people aboard, their names and birthdates, and may ask for passport numbers, time in country, along with firearm and agricultural goods questions.

You'd be surprised at how well US Homeland Security watches the border. I've been buzzed by helicopters, had swift boats sent out and frequently radioed by USCG or Homeland when coming back to the States. You have a similar procedure to check back into the USA, although a much higher chance of being boarded and searched. Also, dropping anchor before clearing US Customs is an automatic $5,000 fine.

That's pretty simple, compared to other places. In the South Pacific, in some areas you need first an exit Visa from the country your leaving, then call for an entrance Visa before entering the next country, post a ~$10,000 bond, or have an open plane ticket home, before being allowed in. They have problems with cruisers "breaking down" and staying long past their tourist visa.
 
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