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2013-09-21 08:32:58 AM  
If a driver is able to get away with this manuever, what's happened is that he's identified you as a passive, simpering, frightened fawn of a motorist and is simply exploiting your weakness. No driver worth the space he occupies on the road allows this to happen -- alpha drivers ensure that any such attempt merely ends with the cutter being stuck in the left-hand lane, impotent, weak, defeated.
 
2013-09-21 08:50:05 AM  
How are they going to ticket every person in the state?
 
2013-09-21 08:52:07 AM  

Bareefer Obonghit: How are they going to ticket every person in the state?


They already handle that through taxes.   This is for visitors :)
 
2013-09-21 09:11:51 AM  
The assholes are all going slower than me and the maniacs are all going faster.
 
2013-09-21 09:38:17 AM  
Did an 8-year-old type that goddamn thing??

Seriously, that's poorly written.
 
2013-09-21 09:43:28 AM  
Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.
 
2013-09-21 10:12:14 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Did an 8-year-old type that goddamn thing??

Seriously, that's poorly written.


I had the same thought. I had no idea what it was that was illegal until I watched the video.
 
2013-09-21 10:13:15 AM  

PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker. You know who you are. You suck.


Ah, you mean folks who understand fluid mechanics and what the term "zipper merge" means? Those folks?
 
2013-09-21 10:23:26 AM  

Gecko Gingrich: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker. You know who you are. You suck.

Ah, you mean folks who understand fluid mechanics and what the term "zipper merge" means? Those folks?


Yeah. Those jerks.  They suck.
 
2013-09-21 10:27:00 AM  
What bugs me is people who aren't paying attention to their driving, they're doing other things like talking on their phone, playing with the radio or DOING NEWS REPORTS.
 
2013-09-21 10:41:25 AM  

PainInTheASP: I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.


"Baby on Board" sticker? Is it 1984 already?
 
2013-09-21 11:36:00 AM  
So they're ticketing people that don't understand stay on the right unless you're passing?
 
2013-09-21 11:36:21 AM  
Esso Asso: Someone who makes a shortcut through a gas station to avoid a red light.
 
pla
2013-09-21 11:39:50 AM  
FTA: "Police told Local 10 Investigates the legal way to stop all of this is to safely close the gab with the car in front of you, and not let anyone cut in"

Wow. So the FL police have actually recommended driving an unsafe distance from the car ahead of you, solely for the purpose of acting like an asshole in response to other assholes? Beautiful! And when someone follows this advice and causes an accident, backing up traffic even worse (at a choke point) for hours? The bacon going to reimburse everyone stuck in that traffic for their gas and time?

Hey, I'll agree that people failing to merge when they should, instead zooming down and cutting in at the last second piss me off immensely. But simply blocking them from ever getting back into traffic doesn't solve the problem.
 
2013-09-21 11:40:23 AM  

I_Am_Weasel: What bugs me is people who aren't paying attention to their driving, they're doing other things like talking on their phone, playing with the radio or DOING NEWS REPORTS.


Seriously. I'm sure having a light shining right in his face is really helping his night vision.
 
2013-09-21 11:43:10 AM  
Once florida is nuked by russians/chinese/whoever, everyone will be happy.
 
2013-09-21 11:44:02 AM  

pla: FTA: "Police told Local 10 Investigates the legal way to stop all of this is to safely close the gab with the car in front of you, and not let anyone cut in"

Wow. So the FL police have actually recommended driving an unsafe distance from the car ahead of you,


Um.
 
2013-09-21 11:44:56 AM  
Why are they singling out BMW drivers?

/ducks
 
2013-09-21 11:45:15 AM  

pla: But simply blocking them from ever getting back into traffic doesn't solve the problem.


It does for me. I keep a 12" interval and allow no one in unless it's seriously backed up, merged traffic. Just some impatient asshole trying to force his way in? Not happening.

If people would simply merge further back, you'd avoid most of the traffic jam anyway.
 
2013-09-21 11:45:46 AM  
In the state of Florida if you rear end anybody it is automatically your fault. The cop apparently doesn't remember that part.
 
2013-09-21 11:45:58 AM  
I've never been bothered by this.  Sometimes when you get to your exit lane, NOBODY will leave a gap so you drive up until you find one.  Since I can't always tell the dif between those folks and the ones just trying to cut the line, I reserve my rage for bigger battles.
 
2013-09-21 11:46:16 AM  
How exactly are the police going to enforce this?

/no, I won't waste 5 minutes of my life on a local news video to find out.
 
2013-09-21 11:46:37 AM  

PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.


+1 for you, these are the worst. Always hoped for a cop to be there to turn these dickheads around.
Also the drivers that take the exit ramp to the entrance ramp just to gain four car lengths.
 
2013-09-21 11:47:26 AM  

PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.


When a lane is closed the proper way to merge is immediately before the end of the lane. In many countries it's illegal to change lanes early. It causes backups because everyone gets in one lane rather than using the available space. It's also a very unfair way of merging because no matter where you merge you're sure to piss someone off and they won't let you in.
 
2013-09-21 11:47:35 AM  

PainInTheASP: Gecko Gingrich: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker. You know who you are. You suck.

Ah, you mean folks who understand fluid mechanics and what the term "zipper merge" means? Those folks?

Yeah. Those jerks.  They suck.


You sound like a slow driver, you're left turn signal is still on.
 
2013-09-21 11:48:38 AM  

PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.


When you see a left lane closed ahead sign and you immediately get in the right lane, you are being a lemming. The closure is not 5 miles behind the merge area. You should fill both lanes leading to a merge area, not become single file miles before the merge. A few years ago a local work area had the left lane closed, and leading up to it had a sign saying "USE BOTH LANES TO MERGE POINT" the lemmings got in the right lane for 2 miles through 2 traffic lights. There was never a sign saying which lane was closed ahead. Then the left lane became the open lane a few months later and all the lemmings still hung out in the right lane. I've never laughed so hard in my life when I drove down the empty left lane and came to the merge seeing the right lane was the one closed.
 
2013-09-21 11:49:57 AM  

PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.



Agreed.  I refuse to let anyone over who feels they shouldn't have to wait in the backed up lane and zoom down til they can't go any further and expect to cut in there.  Now if they start merging a mile back when they first saw signs, I'll let them over no problem.  I've had people actually come inches from hitting me because they assume I will eventually give in and let them over.  Nope!  Putting your turn signal on doesn't automatically give you the right of way.
 
2013-09-21 11:51:18 AM  

PainInTheASP: Gecko Gingrich: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker. You know who you are. You suck.

Ah, you mean folks who understand fluid mechanics and what the term "zipper merge" means? Those folks?

Yeah. Those jerks.  They suck.


There's a place for a zipper merge and a place for traditional merging, but most people only use one, so when they get to a place that uses the other, they cheat by using the wrong one. It's faster for themselves, so they think they're helping, but they wind up snarling traffic for everyone around them.
 
2013-09-21 11:54:02 AM  
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Quick solution
 
2013-09-21 11:54:24 AM  
"is it against the law? can you get a ticket?" Well, first of all, you're speeding to get ahead of traffic, which IS against the law, and yes, you are allowed to speed up to pass, but you are passing while not using your signal, cutting people off, and weaving in and out of traffic which creates a dangerous environment for other motorists. Besides the legality of it, it is a dick move, and when you do that, you're an asshole. Just because you're in a hurry, isn't justification to put everyone else's lives at risk. Leave earlier.
 
2013-09-21 11:55:18 AM  

Russ1642: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.

When a lane is closed the proper way to merge is immediately before the end of the lane. In many countries it's illegal to change lanes early. It causes backups because everyone gets in one lane rather than using the available space. It's also a very unfair way of merging because no matter where you merge you're sure to piss someone off and they won't let you in.


Agreed, it's smoother and more predictable if everyone waits their turn and then does the zipper thing.  What this article is getting at, I think (admittedly hard to tell because of the terrible writing), is cruising along in an exit-only lane while the through lanes are backed up, then trying to force one's way back into traffic at the last second.  That's bad.
 
2013-09-21 11:55:19 AM  

Abox: I've never been bothered by this.  Sometimes when you get to your exit lane, NOBODY will leave a gap so you drive up until you find one.  Since I can't always tell the dif between those folks and the ones just trying to cut the line, I reserve my rage for bigger battles.


This.

Which, some of these problems are folks going too slow and creating a back up to begin with.  I get more bugged by someone going way too slow, then flipping me off because I pass them right after we merged onto the new road.  Some little, teen girl did this recently on a right turn yield lane, she took the lane at 20 mph when I usually take the same lane at 45.  We had no other traffic to yield to, and she's the one pissed.
 
2013-09-21 11:57:08 AM  

PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.


/Yes, this is a pet peeve.  I know where I'm going, and i am in the correct lane MILES before i have to be there, esp on the highway. I exit without having to change lanes.  City is the same thing.  Don't farking swerve over at the last second to the lane you need to turn.  Use some farking common sense and slow the fark down.
 
2013-09-21 11:58:56 AM  
Lots of angry assholes in here. I know where the choke points are on my daily commute. I know where a driving lane suddenly turns into parking. I get in the correct lane with time to spare, but I watch out for the people who are going to be surprised when their lane disappears. I know when they're going to change lanes before they do, so I leave them a space to merge into.
 
2013-09-21 12:00:39 PM  
What are they going to do with the $952,865,204,338,800 budget surplus next year?
 
2013-09-21 12:00:56 PM  
Abox: I've never been bothered by this.  Sometimes when you get to your exit lane, NOBODY will leave a gap so you drive up until you find one.  Since I can't always tell the dif between those folks and the ones just trying to cut the line, I reserve my rage for bigger battles.

I cut people in line and think it's OK.


(fixed that for you)
 
2013-09-21 12:02:22 PM  

MarkEC: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.

When you see a left lane closed ahead sign and you immediately get in the right lane, you are being a lemming. The closure is not 5 miles behind the merge area. You should fill both lanes leading to a merge area, not become single file miles before the merge. A few years ago a local work area had the left lane closed, and leading up to it had a sign saying "USE BOTH LANES TO MERGE POINT" the lemmings got in the right lane for 2 miles through 2 traffic lights. There was never a sign saying which lane was closed ahead. Then the left lane became the open lane a few months later and all the lemmings still hung out in the right lane. I've never laughed so hard in my life when I drove down the empty left lane and came to the merge seeing the right lane was the one closed.


You didn't watch the video, or read the article, did you?
 
2013-09-21 12:03:53 PM  
Just happened to me, here in MN. Prick cut in w/o enough room. I could not stop and was also hit from behind.
Prick was insured by ALLSTATE and they as much as told me to go fark, as I must have been "following" too closely.
ALLSTATE Insurance are asswipes. Agent apologized, off the record, and said supervisor was forcing this decision.
Prick was ticked, did not matter.

ALLFAKE Insurance
 
2013-09-21 12:04:11 PM  

PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.


Look in the mirror, pal.

The real assholes are people like you who see "lane closed two miles ahead" and switch lanes right away.  All that ends up doing it causing traffic to needlessly to back up for miles.  The correct time to merge is about 1000 feet ahead of the lane closure.  When you go through a construction zone you will see signs like "lange closed 2 miles ahead": nothing about merging now.  Sometimes you'll see "merge in 2000 feet": explicitly saying not to merge now but to get ready to merge.  Sometimes you see "use both lanes" signs.  Doesn't matter.  You assholes ignore these signs and merge into a single lane way too early, backing up traffic for everyone.

At about 1000 feet before the lane closure you see signs "merge left" or "merge right".  That's when it's time to merge.  Any signs you see before this are just telling you to get ready.
 
GBB
2013-09-21 12:04:37 PM  

PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.


"Baby on board"
What is the purpose of these signs:
1) lets first responders know what to look for in the wreckage
2) passively aggressive way of telling other drivers to "take it easy"
3) notification to other drivers to explain the erratic driving
 
2013-09-21 12:04:42 PM  
And just as a side note...everyone ..please ..start looking harder for motorcycles. Get off of your iphone and stop texting dumb shiat like "omg..im stopping at McDonalds now, or ...LOL...that was teh funny!!". People on bikes have little protection from stupid drivers who don't care about anyone but themselves. You're not the only ones out there. Look twice.

/thanks...end of public service announcement.
 
2013-09-21 12:05:27 PM  
It's like passing a law against texting while driving. How are they expecting to enforce this?
 
2013-09-21 12:07:16 PM  

snocone: Just happened to me, here in MN. Prick cut in w/o enough room. I could not stop and was also hit from behind.
Prick was insured by ALLSTATE and they as much as told me to go fark, as I must have been "following" too closely.
ALLSTATE Insurance are asswipes. Agent apologized, off the record, and said supervisor was forcing this decision.
Prick was ticked, did not matter.

ALLFAKE Insurance


Sorry to hear that.  Allstate has been really good to me over the years, though.  (On my homeowners policy, anyway.)  Probably a lot depends on who you deal with, unfortunately, and that goes for every company.
 
2013-09-21 12:08:14 PM  

Abox: I've never been bothered by this.  Sometimes when you get to your exit lane, NOBODY will leave a gap so you drive up until you find one.  Since I can't always tell the dif between those folks and the ones just trying to cut the line, I reserve my rage for bigger battles.


Kinda this, but

1) when you see that there's a LOT of places that they can merge but insist on going to the very end.

2) they get out of the lane and THEN race to the end and then cut others off.

3) no signaling, they just plow in between two cars

I drive with the notion that every car is an idiot, regardless of how fantastic a driver they believe themselves to be, I try to stay away from every other car in the best way I can... it has avoided so many collisions it's pretty pathetic.
 
2013-09-21 12:11:03 PM  

tripleseven: Abox: I've never been bothered by this.  Sometimes when you get to your exit lane, NOBODY will leave a gap so you drive up until you find one.  Since I can't always tell the dif between those folks and the ones just trying to cut the line, I reserve my rage for bigger battles.

I cut people in line and think it's OK
.

I drive in a constant state of rage, treating every perceived infraction as a deliberate affront to my manhood.



Fixed that for you.
 
2013-09-21 12:12:32 PM  
That's an annoying maneuver to pull, but how often will cops be at an exit ramp to catch these people? I'd rather they ticket all the people who use the passing lane to cruise at or below the speed of the traffic in the right lanes. And for the Farkers who will be replying "the speed limit is whatever and I'll drive that speed in the passing lane to slow down the speeders", you aren't the law.

Call the cops if you think people are driving recklessly and let them do their job. I'm still shocked I haven't read a tragic story of some driver was attacked because he thought he would deliberately slow traffic down in the passing lane and another driver attacked him.
 
2013-09-21 12:13:09 PM  

aerojockey: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

Look in the mirror, pal.

The real assholes are people like you who see "lane closed two miles ahead" and switch lanes right away.  All that ends up doing it causing traffic to needlessly to back up for miles.  The correct time to merge is about 1000 feet ahead of the lane closure.  When you go through a construction zone you will see signs like "lange closed 2 miles ahead": nothing about merging now.  Sometimes you'll see "merge in 2000 feet": explicitly saying not to merge now but to get ready to merge.  Sometimes you see "use both lanes" signs.  Doesn't matter.  You assholes ignore these signs and merge into a single lane way too early, backing up traffic for everyone.

At about 1000 feet before the lane closure you see signs "merge left" or "merge right".  That's when it's time to merge.  Any signs you see before this are just telling you to get ready.


DERP... he stated "at the last second."

and being caught in that scenario once that caused me to have an accident, the asshats that pushes to the very end and then cut everyone else, causing everyone to hit their brakes in an emergency fashion (my motorcycle slipped on the morning dew covered metal separator of the bridge... wrong time, wrong place).

Think the guy cared or realized what he caused? no, like a dumbass he probably tapped himself on the back for his madz skills.

So you fail at reading comprehension... and probably this type of derp that causes accidents and droves on thinking of how great a driver you are.
 
pla
2013-09-21 12:14:29 PM  
Super Chronic : Um.

Driver's Ed 101 - "Safe following distance" means at least one car-length per 10MPH.

Merging lanes (on the highway) generally slow to 30-40MPH, making "safe" mean three to four car lengths.Three car lengths will not keep anyone from cutting in front of you. And in more aggressive areas (I93 through Boston, for example), people will cut in and literally dare to to hit them if you leave half a car length for them to nose into.

Therefore, the suggestion to "safely" make it impossible for a car to cut in front of you amounts to a suggestion to drive with a very unsafe distance between cars. NewportBarGuy pretty much has it right - In order to physically block these asses from cutting in, you need to literally drive a foot or two from the car ahead of you.
 
2013-09-21 12:15:57 PM  
SpaceBallsLordHelmet.jpg

"I'm surrounded by assholes!"

/damn you Fark mobile and no pic posting abilities.
 
2013-09-21 12:18:32 PM  
I have a question for the 'merging early' vs 'zipper merge' people. Is either one actually faster? Given that you have to put the same number of cars through the same constricted space, does it honestly matter when you merge? I mean, if you 'zipper merge', the traffic tailback might be half as long, but won't it take the exact same amount of time to get through?
 
2013-09-21 12:21:08 PM  
but... but... zipper!
 
2013-09-21 12:21:28 PM  

imfallen_angel: DERP... he stated "at the last second."


People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon.
 
2013-09-21 12:22:18 PM  
I live for situations where I can bock the right lane and keep assholes from doing this. All you need is one car working with you that will leave you a gap to merge when the lane finally narrows.
 
2013-09-21 12:25:51 PM  
I used to wait in line, but I came to realize that there's usually about 40 people between me and the exit who will let people do this, and are consequently screwing over every person behind them.
 
2013-09-21 12:28:11 PM  
It's a reciprocal thing. I will allow little old ladies to cut in since they almost always allow me to cut in, but I will hug the back bumper of the car in front of me if some punk tries to cut in front of me at the last minute.

However, a lot of drivers don't realize that you are supposed to slow down to allow cars to merge in from an entrance ramp.
 
2013-09-21 12:28:55 PM  

aerojockey: imfallen_angel: DERP... he stated "at the last second."

People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon.


So the people who get in line in their respective place on the road are assholes too? Lets just paint over all the lines and make it a free-for-all.
 
2013-09-21 12:29:38 PM  
This is not illegal unless there is a solid line indicating no lane changes allowed. Don't give the police the authority to decide who is and who isn't an asshole.
 
2013-09-21 12:32:16 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Did an 8-year-old type that goddamn thing??

Seriously, that's poorly written.


Mind the gab.
 
2013-09-21 12:33:47 PM  

badhatharry: This is not illegal unless there is a solid line indicating no lane changes allowed. Don't give the police the authority to decide who is and who isn't an asshole.


Passing on the right is illegal.
 
2013-09-21 12:35:54 PM  

freak7: badhatharry: This is not illegal unless there is a solid line indicating no lane changes allowed. Don't give the police the authority to decide who is and who isn't an asshole.

Passing on the right is illegal.


Good thing the merges in the video happened from the left then.
 
2013-09-21 12:35:58 PM  

aerojockey: imfallen_angel: DERP... he stated "at the last second."

People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon.


What is "merging too soon" mean?  You have a sign two miles before the end of the lane that it is ending.  At that point, you should be looking for a chance to move out of your lane during those two miles.  No one is advocating diving in to the adjacent lane as soon as they are seeing these signs.  You continue to drive and find an opening to safely move over.  People are commenting on the dbags who feel they are too important to sit in the slower lane and drive until they can't anymore on the lane that is closing, then push their way in.
 
2013-09-21 12:36:12 PM  

tripleseven: MarkEC: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.

When you see a left lane closed ahead sign and you immediately get in the right lane, you are being a lemming. The closure is not 5 miles behind the merge area. You should fill both lanes leading to a merge area, not become single file miles before the merge. A few years ago a local work area had the left lane closed, and leading up to it had a sign saying "USE BOTH LANES TO MERGE POINT" the lemmings got in the right lane for 2 miles through 2 traffic lights. There was never a sign saying which lane was closed ahead. Then the left lane became the open lane a few months later and all the lemmings still hung out in the right lane. I've never laughed so hard in my life when I drove down the empty left lane and came to the merge seeing the right lane was the one closed.

You didn't watch the video, or read the article, did you?


Yes I did. I was responding to a comment that had nothing to do with the article. Most cars in the video are cutting in on exit lanes after the solid white line, which is illegal. While it is a dotted line, it is not illegal, unless it's seen by a cop as reckless driving.
There's an exit near me that the exit lane expands to 2 lanes after the solid white line. Many drivers drift towards the right lane at that expansion even though they want the left lane. Plenty of idiots try to exit across the solid white line to get ahead when the traffic is going slow creating a high risk of an accident when the car they are cutting over towards drifts back over to the left lane. I personally hug the solid white line and am automatically in the left lane at the expansion. If everyone did that on the exit, the people cutting in would learn they can't get away with it.
 
2013-09-21 12:37:08 PM  
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/Street justice
 
2013-09-21 12:37:25 PM  
The threat of a ticket hasn't stopped Seattleites from driving with a cellphone to their ear.  You can't take a trip without seeing at least one instance of it.
 
2013-09-21 12:37:50 PM  

pla: Super Chronic : Um.

Driver's Ed 101 - "Safe following distance" means at least one car-length per 10MPH.

Merging lanes (on the highway) generally slow to 30-40MPH, making "safe" mean three to four car lengths.Three car lengths will not keep anyone from cutting in front of you. And in more aggressive areas (I93 through Boston, for example), people will cut in and literally dare to to hit them if you leave half a car length for them to nose into.

Therefore, the suggestion to "safely" make it impossible for a car to cut in front of you amounts to a suggestion to drive with a very unsafe distance between cars. NewportBarGuy pretty much has it right - In order to physically block these asses from cutting in, you need to literally drive a foot or two from the car ahead of you.


A thought, how old is the rule of following a car?  Is it 40, 50 years old or more?  Was it before or after the introduction of hydraulic brakes and radial tires?  The shortest cars on the road are about 16', and it will only take a 10' gap to follow and not give room to cut in.  If you are paying attention to what may affect the car ahead of you, then your reaction time should be the same as that driver.  You still have a 10' buffer for safety.  At slower speeds like 30-40, this can be done.
 
2013-09-21 12:38:25 PM  

rnatalie: Bareefer Obonghit: How are they going to ticket every person in the state?

They already handle that through taxes.   This is for visitors :)


I drive in Florida a LOT. You only get tickets once you're north of Orlando if you;re northbound. This gets worse the further north you get.
 
2013-09-21 12:38:32 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: And just as a side note...everyone ..please ..start looking harder for motorcycles. Get off of your iphone and stop texting dumb shiat like "omg..im stopping at McDonalds now, or ...LOL...that was teh funny!!". People on bikes have little protection from stupid drivers who don't care about anyone but themselves. You're not the only ones out there. Look twice.

/thanks...end of public service announcement.


Yes, let's all make sure to look twice for those guys blasting by you, weaving in and out of lanes, and having a general disregard for all traffic around them.  Those poor snowflakes, who will protect them if not the other guy?  Goodness knows they could give a crap, which is why they made the poor decision to ride a bike in the first place.  Keep the flip flops on and the helmet off Easy Rider, I got your back.
 
2013-09-21 12:39:14 PM  

freak7: badhatharry: This is not illegal unless there is a solid line indicating no lane changes allowed. Don't give the police the authority to decide who is and who isn't an asshole.

Passing on the right is illegal.


Not in Florida,
 
2013-09-21 12:39:49 PM  

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"I'm surrounded by assholes!"

/damn you Fark mobile and no pic posting abilities.


Fark mobile is awesome
 
2013-09-21 12:41:30 PM  

AnimateThis: Bit'O'Gristle: And just as a side note...everyone ..please ..start looking harder for motorcycles. Get off of your iphone and stop texting dumb shiat like "omg..im stopping at McDonalds now, or ...LOL...that was teh funny!!". People on bikes have little protection from stupid drivers who don't care about anyone but themselves. You're not the only ones out there. Look twice.

/thanks...end of public service announcement.

Yes, let's all make sure to look twice for those guys blasting by you, weaving in and out of lanes, and having a general disregard for all traffic around them.  Those poor snowflakes, who will protect them if not the other guy?  Goodness knows they could give a crap, which is why they made the poor decision to ride a bike in the first place.  Keep the flip flops on and the helmet off Easy Rider, I got your back.


Based on my unscientific observations., and my experience riding, most motorcycle wrecks are the fault of the guy on the bike.

/Ride like a nut, dibs on your liver when you die.
 
2013-09-21 12:42:24 PM  
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Just another day in paradise.
 
2013-09-21 12:42:49 PM  

NightSteel: I have a question for the 'merging early' vs 'zipper merge' people. Is either one actually faster? Given that you have to put the same number of cars through the same constricted space, does it honestly matter when you merge? I mean, if you 'zipper merge', the traffic tailback might be half as long, but won't it take the exact same amount of time to get through?


I've seen plenty of backups that extend back before the previous exit, so maintaining 2 lanes instead of being a lemming and filling the right lane allows the people who are exiting before the lane closure to exit much sooner. They should not have signs saying which lane is closed and just state "One lane closed ahead, use both lanes to merge point."
 
2013-09-21 12:43:14 PM  

Super Chronic: Russ1642: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.

When a lane is closed the proper way to merge is immediately before the end of the lane. In many countries it's illegal to change lanes early. It causes backups because everyone gets in one lane rather than using the available space. It's also a very unfair way of merging because no matter where you merge you're sure to piss someone off and they won't let you in.

Agreed, it's smoother and more predictable if everyone waits their turn and then does the zipper thing.  What this article is getting at, I think (admittedly hard to tell because of the terrible writing), is cruising along in an exit-only lane while the through lanes are backed up, then trying to force one's way back into traffic at the last second.  That's bad.


They're arguing about illegal lane changes, which are illegal even at 2 am when nobody's around, and have always been illegal. Yes the writing is bad.
 
2013-09-21 12:44:16 PM  
So isn't this applicable to people that zoom down the merge lane till the very end and expect to swoop in?
 
2013-09-21 12:45:39 PM  

NightSteel: I have a question for the 'merging early' vs 'zipper merge' people. Is either one actually faster? Given that you have to put the same number of cars through the same constricted space, does it honestly matter when you merge? I mean, if you 'zipper merge', the traffic tailback might be half as long, but won't it take the exact same amount of time to get through?


My question is what is the law in your state?
'Cause that is how ya do it, like it, have an opinion, or not.
In Minnesota the idiot trafficistas think the "Zipper" is within the skill set of the average motorist.
It is not!
 
2013-09-21 12:45:44 PM  

shanrick: The assholes are all going slower than me and the maniacs are all going faster.


George Carlin, I miss him.
 
2013-09-21 12:45:46 PM  

NightSteel: I have a question for the 'merging early' vs 'zipper merge' people. Is either one actually faster? Given that you have to put the same number of cars through the same constricted space, does it honestly matter when you merge? I mean, if you 'zipper merge', the traffic tailback might be half as long, but won't it take the exact same amount of time to get through?


Link, studies, citations and such as.
 
2013-09-21 12:47:10 PM  
I'm for fining these drivers because they are the same ones who tail gate me which is even more dangerous but never ticketed unless they crash your rear end.
 
2013-09-21 12:48:11 PM  

Amos Quito: [www.bankruptcylitigationblog.com image 448x336]

/Street justice


A Scirocco?

NOT FARKING COOL, MAN.
 
2013-09-21 12:48:46 PM  

Super Chronic: snocone: Just happened to me, here in MN. Prick cut in w/o enough room. I could not stop and was also hit from behind.
Prick was insured by ALLSTATE and they as much as told me to go fark, as I must have been "following" too closely.
ALLSTATE Insurance are asswipes. Agent apologized, off the record, and said supervisor was forcing this decision.
Prick was ticked, did not matter.

ALLFAKE Insurance

Sorry to hear that.  Allstate has been really good to me over the years, though.  (On my homeowners policy, anyway.)  Probably a lot depends on who you deal with, unfortunately, and that goes for every company.


Not so much the car company.
They will sell out any integrity for a couple of hundred dollars.
It is standard company policy. Want a copy of the email?
 
2013-09-21 12:49:22 PM  
LEFT 2 LANES CLOSED
50 MILES AHEAD


So on seeing this sign, everyone should immediately get into the far right lane, and drive single-file for 50 farking miles?

Otherwise you're an asshole?
 
2013-09-21 12:49:35 PM  

oukewldave: aerojockey: imfallen_angel: DERP... he stated "at the last second."

People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon.

What is "merging too soon" mean?  You have a sign two miles before the end of the lane that it is ending.  At that point, you should be looking for a chance to move out of your lane during those two miles.  No one is advocating diving in to the adjacent lane as soon as they are seeing these signs.  You continue to drive and find an opening to safely move over.  People are commenting on the dbags who feel they are too important to sit in the slower lane and drive until they can't anymore on the lane that is closing, then push their way in.


You're doing it wrong. You should merge just before you run into the lane closure, with a bit of safety margin of course. Many countries make it illegal to merge at any point before that. Your type thinks that once they find a spot to merge nobody should be allowed to merge ahead of them, they have to find a spot behind. If everyone does that then everything gets farked up because the point at which people are merging moves backwards until they're merging five miles back and leaving a lane empty for no reason. It gets ridiculous. It's unfair and people get all pissy about protecting the line in front of them from people merging in.
 
2013-09-21 12:50:46 PM  

Super Chronic: Sorry to hear that. Allstate has been really good to me over the years, though. (On my homeowners policy, anyway.) Probably a lot depends on who you deal with, unfortunately, and that goes for every company.


Agreed that some pricks cause problems because they're simply pricks, but it still reflects on the company as a whole.

<Not so csb>
We decided to switch from Allstate to a more reasonably-priced insurer, since Allstate had been steadily jacking our premium beyond all reason. We had paid for the homeowner insurance and were two months into the term when we switched. The sweetheart agent at Allstate immediately informed the mortgage company that our policy had lapsed, and the mortgage company slapped on their own policy and placed it in escrow.

After two further months of fighting this, we said "screw it" and paid off the mortgage. So, no more interest for you, Suntrust.

We received a check for the overpaid mortgage balance: $0.01. I framed it and I hope it farks over their accounting.
</Not so csb>
 
2013-09-21 12:52:56 PM  

aerojockey: imfallen_angel: DERP... he stated "at the last second."

People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon

and leave big-arsed gaps in front of them because they space out, distract themselves and/or get scared.

It is my moral right, nay DUTY to get in front of those gap-forming Deltas.

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// Where I come from, when someone turns on their signal, you move to block.
// That's why you signal and merge in one continuous motion.
 
2013-09-21 12:53:31 PM  

phamwaa: Super Chronic: Sorry to hear that. Allstate has been really good to me over the years, though. (On my homeowners policy, anyway.) Probably a lot depends on who you deal with, unfortunately, and that goes for every company.

Agreed that some pricks cause problems because they're simply pricks, but it still reflects on the company as a whole.

<Not so csb>
We decided to switch from Allstate to a more reasonably-priced insurer, since Allstate had been steadily jacking our premium beyond all reason. We had paid for the homeowner insurance and were two months into the term when we switched. The sweetheart agent at Allstate immediately informed the mortgage company that our policy had lapsed, and the mortgage company slapped on their own policy and placed it in escrow.

After two further months of fighting this, we said "screw it" and paid off the mortgage. So, no more interest for you, Suntrust.

We received a check for the overpaid mortgage balance: $0.01. I framed it and I hope it farks over their accounting.
</Not so csb>


Was not the agent. The cancel notice is demanded by law and automatic.
Have you not learned that the mortgagor owns the house?
 
2013-09-21 12:56:07 PM  
If they are trying to say what I think they are saying, there is a big spot in Columbus that I'd encounter every day on the way home from work where a 1 lane exit would get pretty backed up, and people would be zooming past in the left lane, and then cut over at the last minute. Super annoying, I hope they start ticketing these assholes here that do that, but charge them more than $200, make it more like $500. I was cut off to the point I almost hit people several times because if they don't have room (like the article suggests to not give them room) they just start drifting over and if you don't let them over, they'll take the hit then try to blame you for not giving assured clear distance.
 
2013-09-21 12:57:26 PM  

oukewldave: aerojockey: imfallen_angel: DERP... he stated "at the last second."

People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon.

What is "merging too soon" mean?  You have a sign two miles before the end of the lane that it is ending.  At that point, you should be looking for a chance to move out of your lane during those two miles.  No one is advocating diving in to the adjacent lane as soon as they are seeing these signs.  You continue to drive and find an opening to safely move over.


No.  If you see a sign that says "lane ends in two miles" you don't merge then.  You drive with awareness that a lane is closing ahead, and wait until there is a sign that say "merge left" or "merge right".  Then you merge.  If you merge before that (or too far after that) you are an traffic-backup-up asshole.

There's a reason you often seen "use both lanes" signs in situations like this, because assholes start merging and causing backups before that.


People are commenting on the dbags who feel they are too important to sit in the slower lane and drive until they can't anymore on the lane that is closing, then push their way in.

You just said I should start the process of merging two miles ahead of the lane closure.  So if I stay in my lane and drive past all you farking lane-snarling sheep until I see a sign that says "lane ends, merge left", and then I merge, I must be too important for you because I obey the construction zone signs including whereas you don't.

Whatever.

Let's be honest here, the real reason people merge two miles ahead of where they should is that they are pussies whose fragile minds can't handle the idea that they might have to do some "negotiating" at the merge point.
 
2013-09-21 12:57:32 PM  

Amos Quito: LEFT 2 LANES CLOSED
50 MILES AHEAD

So on seeing this sign, everyone should immediately get into the far right lane, and drive single-file for 50 farking miles?

Otherwise you're an asshole?


You've seen this sign before?
 
2013-09-21 12:58:57 PM  

snocone: Super Chronic: snocone: Just happened to me, here in MN. Prick cut in w/o enough room. I could not stop and was also hit from behind.
Prick was insured by ALLSTATE and they as much as told me to go fark, as I must have been "following" too closely.
ALLSTATE Insurance are asswipes. Agent apologized, off the record, and said supervisor was forcing this decision.
Prick was ticked, did not matter.

ALLFAKE Insurance

Sorry to hear that.  Allstate has been really good to me over the years, though.  (On my homeowners policy, anyway.)  Probably a lot depends on who you deal with, unfortunately, and that goes for every company.

Not so much the car company.
They will sell out any integrity for a couple of hundred dollars.
It is standard company policy. Want a copy of the email?


I had an accident a few years ago when a car that was stopped in a left turn lane changed lanes in front of me with no time to prevent the accident. We both had Allstate. She accepted fault to me, and since my car was older and already scratched up, I didn't even put a claim in. I got a call from Allstate telling me she claimed the accident was my fault. We both took out cars to Allstate to look at and the damage proved she was lying. Her insurance paid me $500 for the damage on my front left corner. She would have been better off not putting that claim in. Allstate has always been fair to me.
 
2013-09-21 12:59:15 PM  

OhioUGrad: If they are trying to say what I think they are saying, there is a big spot in Columbus that I'd encounter every day on the way home from work where a 1 lane exit would get pretty backed up, and people would be zooming past in the left lane, and then cut over at the last minute. Super annoying, I hope they start ticketing these assholes here that do that, but charge them more than $200, make it more like $500. I was cut off to the point I almost hit people several times because if they don't have room (like the article suggests to not give them room) they just start drifting over and if you don't let them over, they'll take the hit then try to blame you for not giving assured clear distance.


You have the right of way.  If the other car hits you, that's his/her fault for not staying in his/her lane and/or failure of merging safely.  At least that's the way I see it.

/not a lawyer
 
2013-09-21 01:05:50 PM  

safetycap: People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon and leave big-arsed gaps in front of them because they space out, distract themselves and/or get scared.


That too.  In California there's another reason for this: people don't want to strain their precious BMW and Audi engines by accelerating it too fast, so cultrally there's a tendency not to ever "gun it".  Ergo, lots of gaps.  Ergo, lots of people cutting in front of you.

It's more annoying at traffic lights than on the freeway, though.  At traffic lights people will take their foot off the brake and idle until the car hits 5 or 10 mph before accelerating.  Annoying as fark if you're the second car in line.  Other that, traffic lights are much better in California than any other state I've been in.
 
2013-09-21 01:07:41 PM  
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2013-09-21 01:08:21 PM  

Amos Quito: [www.bankruptcylitigationblog.com image 448x336]

/Street justice


Do you know she has flowers on her panties?
 
2013-09-21 01:09:18 PM  

BigRightRear: aerojockey: imfallen_angel: DERP... he stated "at the last second."

People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon.

So the people who get in line in their respective place on the road are assholes too? Lets just paint over all the lines and make it a free-for-all.


Merging two miles ahead of a lane closure is not "getting in line in their respective place on the road".  HTH.
 
2013-09-21 01:09:30 PM  

PsyLord: OhioUGrad: If they are trying to say what I think they are saying, there is a big spot in Columbus that I'd encounter every day on the way home from work where a 1 lane exit would get pretty backed up, and people would be zooming past in the left lane, and then cut over at the last minute. Super annoying, I hope they start ticketing these assholes here that do that, but charge them more than $200, make it more like $500. I was cut off to the point I almost hit people several times because if they don't have room (like the article suggests to not give them room) they just start drifting over and if you don't let them over, they'll take the hit then try to blame you for not giving assured clear distance.

You have the right of way.  If the other car hits you, that's his/her fault for not staying in his/her lane and/or failure of merging safely.  At least that's the way I see it.

/not a lawyer


That's how I see it as well, but 1. I don't want my car hit at all, 2. they'd sit and argue for ever to try and say they had the right to merge etc....I'm sure everyone on Fark has been in this situation probably several times, and I am sure there are several Farkers that CAUSE these situations a few times a week.
 
2013-09-21 01:11:16 PM  
They should also fine those who keep a 500' distance from the car in front of them, thus backing up traffic. Also, fine those who almost stop when they see a police car, or an accident scene, trying to see what's going on, instead of minding their own business and drive like they're supposed to. Or those who are too busy talking to their passengers, or texting / being on the cell phone / reading, etc while forgetting they're at the wheel. Yes, I cut back into traffic several times for the above-mentioned reasons. Streets are for everybody to drive on. They're not park alleys, coffee parlors, offices etc. If you don't feel like driving, stay the fark home and let others do it.
 
2013-09-21 01:12:07 PM  

aerojockey: oukewldave: aerojockey: imfallen_angel: DERP... he stated "at the last second."

People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon.

What is "merging too soon" mean?  You have a sign two miles before the end of the lane that it is ending.  At that point, you should be looking for a chance to move out of your lane during those two miles.  No one is advocating diving in to the adjacent lane as soon as they are seeing these signs.  You continue to drive and find an opening to safely move over.

No.  If you see a sign that says "lane ends in two miles" you don't merge then.  You drive with awareness that a lane is closing ahead, and wait until there is a sign that say "merge left" or "merge right".  Then you merge.  If you merge before that (or too far after that) you are an traffic-backup-up asshole.

There's a reason you often seen "use both lanes" signs in situations like this, because assholes start merging and causing backups before that.


People are commenting on the dbags who feel they are too important to sit in the slower lane and drive until they can't anymore on the lane that is closing, then push their way in.

You just said I should start the process of merging two miles ahead of the lane closure.  So if I stay in my lane and drive past all you farking lane-snarling sheep until I see a sign that says "lane ends, merge left", and then I merge, I must be too important for you because I obey the construction zone signs including whereas you don't.

Whatever.

Let's be honest here, the real reason people merge two miles ahead of where they should is that they are pussies whose fragile minds can't handle the idea that they might have to do some "negotiating" at the merge point.


Really? Pussies? I drive sprint cars on weekends with no mirrors or radios so 'afraid to merge' is bullshiat. It's called common courtesy. Learn some.
 
2013-09-21 01:12:48 PM  
Would the opposite be true? You're in a 1/2 mile merge lane, trying to get on, no one lets you, but you force your way in near the gore point?
 
2013-09-21 01:15:00 PM  

MarkEC: I've seen plenty of backups that extend back before the previous exit, so maintaining 2 lanes instead of being a lemming and filling the right lane allows the people who are exiting before the lane closure to exit much sooner. They should not have signs saying which lane is closed and just state "One lane closed ahead, use both lanes to merge point."


Ah, I see.  So it's not that zipper merging is any faster getting through a choke point, it's that with a shorter tailback, there's less potential for disruption further back.

Makes me wonder what the relevant law is in terms of signage.  How far back does the law require signage of merge points?  Is it required to say which lane is closed?  If signage is in place indicating a zipper merge, and people merge early anyway, is there any remedy?
 
2013-09-21 01:15:12 PM  

OhioUGrad: PsyLord: OhioUGrad: If they are trying to say what I think they are saying, there is a big spot in Columbus that I'd encounter every day on the way home from work where a 1 lane exit would get pretty backed up, and people would be zooming past in the left lane, and then cut over at the last minute. Super annoying, I hope they start ticketing these assholes here that do that, but charge them more than $200, make it more like $500. I was cut off to the point I almost hit people several times because if they don't have room (like the article suggests to not give them room) they just start drifting over and if you don't let them over, they'll take the hit then try to blame you for not giving assured clear distance.

You have the right of way.  If the other car hits you, that's his/her fault for not staying in his/her lane and/or failure of merging safely.  At least that's the way I see it.

/not a lawyer

That's how I see it as well, but 1. I don't want my car hit at all, 2. they'd sit and argue for ever to try and say they had the right to merge etc....I'm sure everyone on Fark has been in this situation probably several times, and I am sure there are several Farkers that CAUSE these situations a few times a week.


The right to merge?  Is that even a real thing?  Seriously, I would like to know.  The way I see it, it should be treated the same way that a car on the oncoming lane wants to turn left and cross your lane as you are going straight.  You have the right of way since you are going straight (unless you have a red light or stop sign and they have a green left turn arrow).
 
2013-09-21 01:15:17 PM  
I've seen a bunch of driver who reeeeeealy want to be in the right lane. They'll move into the right lane even if it's just an on ramp. Even after a "right lane ends" sign. Even in sight of the end of the right lane.

I say pull them over and give them a cavity search because it's clearly a rule issued to drug mules.
 
2013-09-21 01:18:37 PM  

BigRightRear: I drive sprint cars on weekends with no mirrors or radios so 'afraid to merge' is bullshiat. It's called common courtesy. Learn some.


Merging two miles ahead of a lane closure, ignoring signs to use both lanes, is not "common courtesy".  It isn't courtesy at all, in fact, because it cause traffic.

In fact, I can't think of a single person it helps when you snarl up a lane prematurely, other than the people you call "assholes" passing you who are actually the ones obeying the traffic signs, and people who are pussies who are so afraid of negotiating at a merge point that they think it's a good idea to sit in a snarled lane for two miles with an open lane next to them so they don't have to.
 
2013-09-21 01:18:39 PM  

aerojockey: oukewldave: aerojockey: imfallen_angel: DERP... he stated "at the last second."

People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon.

What is "merging too soon" mean?  You have a sign two miles before the end of the lane that it is ending.  At that point, you should be looking for a chance to move out of your lane during those two miles.  No one is advocating diving in to the adjacent lane as soon as they are seeing these signs.  You continue to drive and find an opening to safely move over.

No.  If you see a sign that says "lane ends in two miles" you don't merge then.  You drive with awareness that a lane is closing ahead, and wait until there is a sign that say "merge left" or "merge right".  Then you merge.  If you merge before that (or too far after that) you are an traffic-backup-up asshole.

There's a reason you often seen "use both lanes" signs in situations like this, because assholes start merging and causing backups before that.


People are commenting on the dbags who feel they are too important to sit in the slower lane and drive until they can't anymore on the lane that is closing, then push their way in.

You just said I should start the process of merging two miles ahead of the lane closure.  So if I stay in my lane and drive past all you farking lane-snarling sheep until I see a sign that says "lane ends, merge left", and then I merge, I must be too important for you because I obey the construction zone signs including whereas you don't.

Whatever.

Let's be honest here, the real reason people merge two miles ahead of where they should is that they are pussies whose fragile minds can't handle the idea that they might have to do some "negotiating" at the merge point.


Ok ITG...we get it...you are like Chuck Norris behind the wheel.

Don't you have to be at Track Day in 28 minutes?
 
2013-09-21 01:19:22 PM  

BigRightRear: aerojockey: oukewldave: aerojockey: imfallen_angel: DERP... he stated "at the last second."

People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon.

What is "merging too soon" mean?  You have a sign two miles before the end of the lane that it is ending.  At that point, you should be looking for a chance to move out of your lane during those two miles.  No one is advocating diving in to the adjacent lane as soon as they are seeing these signs.  You continue to drive and find an opening to safely move over.

No.  If you see a sign that says "lane ends in two miles" you don't merge then.  You drive with awareness that a lane is closing ahead, and wait until there is a sign that say "merge left" or "merge right".  Then you merge.  If you merge before that (or too far after that) you are an traffic-backup-up asshole.

There's a reason you often seen "use both lanes" signs in situations like this, because assholes start merging and causing backups before that.


People are commenting on the dbags who feel they are too important to sit in the slower lane and drive until they can't anymore on the lane that is closing, then push their way in.

You just said I should start the process of merging two miles ahead of the lane closure.  So if I stay in my lane and drive past all you farking lane-snarling sheep until I see a sign that says "lane ends, merge left", and then I merge, I must be too important for you because I obey the construction zone signs including whereas you don't.

Whatever.

Let's be honest here, the real reason people merge two miles ahead of where they should is that they are pussies whose fragile minds can't handle the idea that they might have to do some "negotiating" at the merge point.

Really? Pussies? I drive sprint cars on weekends with no mirrors or radios so 'afraid to merge' is bullshiat. It's called common courtesy. Learn some.


By merging early you are not being courteous to the people in the lane you just entered. People that were behind you are not going to slow down and merge behind you, so you just delayed that whole line of traffic. That is the opposite of courtesy. When people actually use both lanes to a merge point like they should, it is the ultimate in courteous driving, no one is getting ahead of the game and all are just taking their turn properly. I've seen many instances where both lanes are backed up for miles and people like you think it's a good idea to merge early slowing down one lane and speeding up the other. Just stop it!
 
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2013-09-21 01:19:35 PM  
lack of warmth : If you are paying attention to what may affect the car ahead of you, then your reaction time should be the same as that driver.

You've hit on the real problem right there - Having the same reaction time as the driver ahead of you doesn't mean you start slowing down at the same time.  You assume you both react to the same cue, but what if the driver ahead of you just randomly stomps on his brakes (not as unlikely as it sounds, if he got distracted for half a second and then noticed he had gotten too close to the next car ahead)?

So, at 30MPH, you move at 44 feet per second. For someone paying close attention, they will consciously notice the brake lights after 150-300ms; decide to follow suit over the next 150-300ms; then implement that plan in... yes, another 150-300ms.  A young twitch-gamer might beat that by 50%, and a fogie might double it, but in the real world that describes how long it really does take for most people to begin slowing down in response to a change ahead of them: 0.5 to 1 full second.

At a 10ft following distance, at 30MPH, you would need to react in less than 230ms.  Even that obnoxious 17YO that can frags you before you can even read the announcement he joined your game, can't realistically manage that. As a consequence, in bumper-to-bumper traffic flowing at 20-40MPH... When someone suddenly stomps on their brakes, an accident does happen, almost unavoidably.
 
2013-09-21 01:20:57 PM  
In future news, the State of Florida is now the richest in the nation. :P
 
2013-09-21 01:21:38 PM  

Pocket Ninja: If a driver is able to get away with this manuever, what's happened is that he's identified you as a passive, simpering, frightened fawn of a motorist and is simply exploiting your weakness. No driver worth the space he occupies on the road allows this to happen -- alpha drivers ensure that any such attempt merely ends with the cutter being stuck in the left-hand lane, impotent, weak, defeated.


Thread over. Shut the lights off Ninja.
 
2013-09-21 01:27:24 PM  

PsyLord: OhioUGrad: PsyLord: OhioUGrad: If they are trying to say what I think they are saying, there is a big spot in Columbus that I'd encounter every day on the way home from work where a 1 lane exit would get pretty backed up, and people would be zooming past in the left lane, and then cut over at the last minute. Super annoying, I hope they start ticketing these assholes here that do that, but charge them more than $200, make it more like $500. I was cut off to the point I almost hit people several times because if they don't have room (like the article suggests to not give them room) they just start drifting over and if you don't let them over, they'll take the hit then try to blame you for not giving assured clear distance.

You have the right of way.  If the other car hits you, that's his/her fault for not staying in his/her lane and/or failure of merging safely.  At least that's the way I see it.

/not a lawyer

That's how I see it as well, but 1. I don't want my car hit at all, 2. they'd sit and argue for ever to try and say they had the right to merge etc....I'm sure everyone on Fark has been in this situation probably several times, and I am sure there are several Farkers that CAUSE these situations a few times a week.

The right to merge?  Is that even a real thing?  Seriously, I would like to know.  The way I see it, it should be treated the same way that a car on the oncoming lane wants to turn left and cross your lane as you are going straight.  You have the right of way since you are going straight (unless you have a red light or stop sign and they have a green left turn arrow).


Sorry, I meant right of way, watching football, cooking, and posting at the same time.
 
2013-09-21 01:27:43 PM  

NightSteel: MarkEC: I've seen plenty of backups that extend back before the previous exit, so maintaining 2 lanes instead of being a lemming and filling the right lane allows the people who are exiting before the lane closure to exit much sooner. They should not have signs saying which lane is closed and just state "One lane closed ahead, use both lanes to merge point."

Ah, I see.  So it's not that zipper merging is any faster getting through a choke point, it's that with a shorter tailback, there's less potential for disruption further back.

Makes me wonder what the relevant law is in terms of signage.  How far back does the law require signage of merge points?  Is it required to say which lane is closed?  If signage is in place indicating a zipper merge, and people merge early anyway, is there any remedy?


The story I told earlier in the thread had very large signs that said "USE BOTH LANES TO MERGE POINT" because of the back-up that it caused for 2 or 3 traffic lights leading up to that point. It then had a giant "MERGE HERE - TAKE YOUR TURN" sign at the merge point. The right lane was always backed up for 2 lights and the left lane wasn't even 1 light back. This went on even when they switched to the right lane being the one that was closed. It took an entire week for the lemmings to switch to backing up the left lane instead of the right lane. Yes, if you merge early for no reason except you think it's the nice thing to do, you are a LEMMING!
 
2013-09-21 01:28:46 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: Link, studies, citations and such as.


I looked at the study about flow rates under the two models.  Its supporting data is a bit shaky, given that they use only one day of traffic under the uncontrolled model where people presumably merge early, and compare it to 4 different days of traffic under controlled late merging conditions.  If that one day had below average traffic, that throws the whole thing off.  But, increases in throughput were indeed present--which surprises me.  People keep talking about fluid dynamics, but as I understand it, a choke point is a choke point; you can't get 500 cars through a one lane section of road any faster whether they merge early or late.
 
2013-09-21 01:29:10 PM  

GBB: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.

"Baby on board"
What is the purpose of these signs:
1) lets first responders know what to look for in the wreckage
2) passively aggressive way of telling other drivers to "take it easy"
3) notification to other drivers to explain the erratic driving


4) reminds the parent or guardian to check for the baby before leaving the vehicle unattended
 
2013-09-21 01:30:31 PM  

ghare: rnatalie: Bareefer Obonghit: How are they going to ticket every person in the state?

They already handle that through taxes.   This is for visitors :)

I drive in Florida a LOT. You only get tickets once you're north of Orlando if you;re northbound. This gets worse the further north you get.


I believe this to be true. Once you get south of Orlando, people drive like maniacs.
 
2013-09-21 01:31:23 PM  

freak7: badhatharry: This is not illegal unless there is a solid line indicating no lane changes allowed. Don't give the police the authority to decide who is and who isn't an asshole.

Passing on the right is illegal.


You might want to check that. In WA state, it is not. I don't have a citation in front of me but I looked it up a few months ago after I accidentally blew past a cop on his right and, shockingly, he didn't do anything.

I was actually using a right hand lane to pass (at a reasonable speed) a handful of cars who were stopped at a light. It turned green just as I was coming up behind, in the perfect position to go around them without losing my speed and without cutting them off at the end of the right lane about a 1/4 mile past the light. The cop was one of the middle cars in front of an SUV so I didn't see him until I was already past him.
 
2013-09-21 01:37:59 PM  

pla: lack of warmth : If you are paying attention to what may affect the car ahead of you, then your reaction time should be the same as that driver.

You've hit on the real problem right there - Having the same reaction time as the driver ahead of you doesn't mean you start slowing down at the same time.  You assume you both react to the same cue, but what if the driver ahead of you just randomly stomps on his brakes (not as unlikely as it sounds, if he got distracted for half a second and then noticed he had gotten too close to the next car ahead)?

So, at 30MPH, you move at 44 feet per second. For someone paying close attention, they will consciously notice the brake lights after 150-300ms; decide to follow suit over the next 150-300ms; then implement that plan in... yes, another 150-300ms.  A young twitch-gamer might beat that by 50%, and a fogie might double it, but in the real world that describes how long it really does take for most people to begin slowing down in response to a change ahead of them: 0.5 to 1 full second.

At a 10ft following distance, at 30MPH, you would need to react in less than 230ms.  Even that obnoxious 17YO that can frags you before you can even read the announcement he joined your game, can't realistically manage that. As a consequence, in bumper-to-bumper traffic flowing at 20-40MPH... When someone suddenly stomps on their brakes, an accident does happen, almost unavoidably.


I've witnessed many rear end accidents in stop-and-go traffic on clogged highways. The majority of those have been caused by people who were leaving a seemingly large enough gap in front of them. The farther behind a car you are, the longer it takes you to react. Your depth perception does not work as well at 100 ft as it does at 10ft. That safe gap you leave in front of you can disappear without you having a clue until you slam on your brakes when you are going 40 mph faster than the car in front of you.
 
2013-09-21 01:38:17 PM  
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2013-09-21 01:43:33 PM  
Might as well just call up the list of registered drivers in the state and start sending the citations.
Start with the Z's.
 
2013-09-21 01:46:22 PM  

NightSteel: I looked at the study about flow rates under the two models.  Its supporting data is a bit shaky, given that they use only one day of traffic under the uncontrolled model where people presumably merge early, and compare it to 4 different days of traffic under controlled late merging conditions.  If that one day had below average traffic, that throws the whole thing off.  But, increases in throughput were indeed present--which surprises me.  People keep talking about fluid dynamics, but as I understand it, a choke point is a choke point; you can't get 500 cars through a one lane section of road any faster whether they merge early or late.


Though, thinking about it, in the scenario with nearby stoplights, I could see where it might.  That is, with one lane full and one lane empty, you might be able to fit 25 cars in a given section of road, and with a red light behind that section of road, those 25 cars could get through the choke point and leave the road empty.  Where, in the same spot, if people filled both lanes and zippered, 50 cars might fit there with a red light behind them, making more efficient use of that space and therefore indeed getting more traffic through.  But that only works if there are traffic lights near enough the merge point, which have long enough cycles to allow the section of road ahead to empty out.  Or possibly other somewhat specific scenarios.

Shorter tailbacks to prevent issues down the road from the choke point make sense, but beyond that, I don't see a compelling argument one way or the other.
 
2013-09-21 01:51:04 PM  
...oh, and none of this really addresses the question, what do you do if there's already a long tailback caused by people who merge early?  Because if you skip the line, especially if there's no exits or stoplights that might be disrupted by a longer tailback, people are going to think you're an asshole and feel entirely justified refusing to let you in, and no amount of crying 'fluid dynamics, you lemmings!' is going to change their minds.
 
2013-09-21 02:03:51 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: And just as a side note...everyone ..please ..start looking harder for motorcycles. Get off of your iphone and stop texting dumb shiat like "omg..im stopping at McDonalds now, or ...LOL...that was teh funny!!". People on bikes have little protection from stupid drivers who don't care about anyone but themselves. You're not the only ones out there. Look twice.

/thanks...end of public service announcement.


Sure... as long as the motorcyclist also abides by the traffic laws. Just a few weeks ago while sitting in heavy traffic at a red light, a motorcyclist came flying up through the space between my (straight/right turn) lane and the left-turn lane next to me. The light turned green just when he got alongside my driver's side door. He proceeded to make a right turn directly in front of my vehicle (which was moving, since I was the first car in line) onto the intersecting road.

I do look out for motorcyclists (several family members ride). I try to be courteous. I just hate the dickish motorcyclists who ride with a deathwish.
 
2013-09-21 02:05:03 PM  

NightSteel: ...oh, and none of this really addresses the question, what do you do if there's already a long tailback caused by people who merge early?  Because if you skip the line, especially if there's no exits or stoplights that might be disrupted by a longer tailback, people are going to think you're an asshole and feel entirely justified refusing to let you in, and no amount of crying 'fluid dynamics, you lemmings!' is going to change their minds.


Driver education. Get the local news to hammer home the idea of correct merging when an upcoming project is in the works. Change the signs to not indicate which lane is closed until closer to the merge point. "One lane closed 2 miles ahead" sign followed by "Use both lanes to merge point" sign after it, then "Right lane closed 2500 ft ahead" and "Stay in lane til merge point". There still might be some early mergers, but it will take away the empty off-lane.
 
2013-09-21 02:06:28 PM  

PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker.  You know who you are.  You suck.


This is why we should adopt the fines-as-percentage-of-income method.

Makes the rich entitles assholes think twice instead of a pocket-change $200 "fine" cost of doing business.
 
2013-09-21 02:12:47 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Why are they singling out BMW drivers?

/ducks


I'll show you! (As soon as my car gets out of the shop)
 
2013-09-21 02:18:59 PM  
This never bothered me. They waste gas and get to their destination maybe 2-3 seconds earlier? Probably no difference since they are going to be stopped by the same red light anyway...
 
2013-09-21 02:21:41 PM  
Speaking of following distances, here's one that drives me bananas: you're waiting in a left hand turn lane, and you're far enough back that you know you might not make it before the left arrow turns red again. As the arrow turns green, you watch the cars ahead of you taking the turn, and you can't help but notice that many of the cars are allowing a car length or even more between them and the car in front of them. This is at speeds of around twenty to thirty MPH. Another car could have made the turn for every one of those huge gaps caused by inconsiderate jack offs following the car ahead of them at a distance more appropriate for highway speeds.

Even more rage inducing is when you are behind a driver on a city street, approaching a green stoplight. The lane in front of you is clear, but for no apparent reason, the driver in front of you is going five to ten MPH below the speed limit. Just as you get to the light, it turns yellow, and the driver in front of you makes it (though it was a close call whether it was legal) and you have to stop, and wait for the next green. I sometimes wonder if there aren't people out there who get some sort of kick out of deliberately wasting other people's time. Automotive trolls if you will.
 
2013-09-21 02:26:42 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: And just as a side note...everyone ..please ..start looking harder for motorcycles. Get off of your iphone and stop texting dumb shiat like "omg..im stopping at McDonalds now, or ...LOL...that was teh funny!!". People on bikes have little protection from stupid drivers who don't care about anyone but themselves. You're not the only ones out there. Look twice.

/thanks...end of public service announcement.


Have you tried used an automatic centerpunch? One quick click on a side window will definitely wake them up. It can be done at 35 mph, too, so it's not limited to traffic jams. They don't see much movement, either, so it leaves them baffled.
 
2013-09-21 02:28:44 PM  

Repo Man: Speaking of following distances, here's one that drives me bananas: you're waiting in a left hand turn lane, and you're far enough back that you know you might not make it before the left arrow turns red again. As the arrow turns green, you watch the cars ahead of you taking the turn, and you can't help but notice that many of the cars are allowing a car length or even more between them and the car in front of them. This is at speeds of around twenty to thirty MPH. Another car could have made the turn for every one of those huge gaps caused by inconsiderate jack offs following the car ahead of them at a distance more appropriate for highway speeds.

Even more rage inducing is when you are behind a driver on a city street, approaching a green stoplight. The lane in front of you is clear, but for no apparent reason, the driver in front of you is going five to ten MPH below the speed limit. Just as you get to the light, it turns yellow, and the driver in front of you makes it (though it was a close call whether it was legal) and you have to stop, and wait for the next green. I sometimes wonder if there aren't people out there who get some sort of kick out of deliberately wasting other people's time. Automotive trolls if you will.


This is why you ride a motorcycle
 
2013-09-21 02:30:07 PM  

Repo Man: Speaking of following distances, here's one that drives me bananas: you're waiting in a left hand turn lane, and you're far enough back that you know you might not make it before the left arrow turns red again. As the arrow turns green, you watch the cars ahead of you taking the turn, and you can't help but notice that many of the cars are allowing a car length or even more between them and the car in front of them. This is at speeds of around twenty to thirty MPH. Another car could have made the turn for every one of those huge gaps caused by inconsiderate jack offs following the car ahead of them at a distance more appropriate for highway speeds.

Even more rage inducing is when you are behind a driver on a city street, approaching a green stoplight. The lane in front of you is clear, but for no apparent reason, the driver in front of you is going five to ten MPH below the speed limit. Just as you get to the light, it turns yellow, and the driver in front of you makes it (though it was a close call whether it was legal) and you have to stop, and wait for the next green. I sometimes wonder if there aren't people out there who get some sort of kick out of deliberately wasting other people's time. Automotive trolls if you will.


Yes there are. I remember a study done in parking lots where they time how long people take to exit a parking space. With someone waiting for that spot to open, there's a 10 second longer average time than without someone waiting. I'm the opposite, if I get in my car and see someone waiting for my spot, I'll forgo trivial things to get out of the spot quicker.
 
2013-09-21 02:30:35 PM  
I've seen a lot of things I agree with here, and I lot I disagree with.  But ultimately, there is one problem that tops them all.  A lot of people don't really pay attention.  Yeah, there are plenty of jerks who are watching everything, but it is amazing how many people seem to be surprised about things that are happening around them (especially for things they should be aware of, like common choke points, or the car that has been ahead of them for miles).  Many of these merge areas that cause problems are not something that should be a surprise.

Now, I've seen the arguments.  "Oh, don't just jump over idiot".  Of course not.  No one is arguing that.  But you whine that it creates a choke point, which, let's face it, is going to happen later anyway.   When you've got two miles to merge, watch for a good time to merge over, and do it earlier.  Realistically, that is more than enough time for people to get over without impeding on other drivers, and by the time the merge comes up, everyone may be moving slower, but at least it isn't stop and go as people have to zipper their way in when forced to at the end.  It is just frustrating that some people just plain seem oblivious to this, again, not paying attention.

But, I could go on and on.  The person who is barely staying in their own lane (the ignorant one).  The guy in the passing lane letting everyone get in front of them and braking every time it happens (the passive one).  The person who intentionally tries to trap you somewhere (the controlling jerk).  Ultimately, if people just figured out how to handle their own vehicles and stop worrying so much about everyone else around them (note, I'm not saying ignore them, be aware, but don't try too hard to be the alpha or passive), a lot of these problems would probably diminish in frequency.  Unfortunately, it seems the cliché saying "you can't teach an old dog new tricks" holds for most drivers.

/Me too.
//I'm working on it.
///Since I prefer to pass on the left, I'm trying harder to get over to the right to let people pass when they are going faster than me.
////Mixed results, but I think I'm making progress.
 
2013-09-21 02:34:09 PM  
A proper zipper merge involves no stop and go, and in fact, doesn't even involve slowing down.
 
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2013-09-21 02:55:15 PM  

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Just another day in paradise.


Jeeeeeeeezus Chroist! Where in the @%^#( is that?
 
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2013-09-21 02:57:51 PM  

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I call you on that. My fiancee is hotter so little-miss-line-cutter can just go ahead and get stuffed.
 
2013-09-21 02:59:40 PM  

snocone: Just happened to me, here in MN. Prick cut in w/o enough room. I could not stop and was also hit from behind.
Prick was insured by ALLSTATE and they as much as told me to go fark, as I must have been "following" too closely.
ALLSTATE Insurance are asswipes. Agent apologized, off the record, and said supervisor was forcing this decision.
Prick was ticked, did not matter.

ALLFAKE Insurance


If you're insured also, sic your insurance company on them. Become intimate with the concept of subrogation. Make sure they drag the agent into it.
 
2013-09-21 03:02:46 PM  

06Wahoo: When you've got two miles to merge, watch for a good time to merge over, and do it earlier.

 Seriously, two miles is enough room to pass several cars and still manage a safe exit from a freeway, with room to spare.  You have to be an idiot to think you need two miles to merge.  1000 feet (one tenth of the distance) is sufficient to merge.


If you move over before that, all you are accomplishing to back up traffic for no good reason at all.
 
2013-09-21 03:08:36 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: A proper zipper merge involves no stop and go, and in fact, doesn't even involve slowing down.


True, if every driver was a perfect driver.  But not all are, and therefore the zipper merge works no better than an early merge.  Also why the need for painted lane lines, traffic control lights, speed limit signage, etc.

Self-driving cars that communicate with each other?  Now you would be talking safer roads and faster commutes, and generally less-stressed drivers passengers.
 
2013-09-21 03:12:11 PM  

gja: Amos Quito: [actsoftheapostasy.files.wordpress.com image 590x600]

Just another day in paradise.

Jeeeeeeeezus Chroist! Where in the @%^#( is that?



Not sure. GIS.

California, my guess.

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More fun.
 
2013-09-21 03:13:17 PM  

rdondelinger: Gecko Gingrich: A proper zipper merge involves no stop and go, and in fact, doesn't even involve slowing down.

True, if every driver was a perfect driver.  But not all are, and therefore the zipper merge works no better than an early merge.  Also why the need for painted lane lines, traffic control lights, speed limit signage, etc.

Self-driving cars that communicate with each other? Now you would be talking safer roads and faster commutes, and generally less-stressed drivers passengers.


Oh suuure - until they become self-aware...
 
2013-09-21 03:14:02 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Did an 8-year-old type that goddamn thing??

Seriously, that's poorly written.


I'm sure the writer and the editor felt good about the work done on the article.
 
2013-09-21 03:16:53 PM  
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Interesting book.

/Hot, like the tempers of bad drivers.
 
2013-09-21 03:20:29 PM  

Pocket Ninja: If a driver is able to get away with this manuever, what's happened is that he's identified you as a passive, simpering, frightened fawn of a motorist and is simply exploiting your weakness. No driver worth the space he occupies on the road allows this to happen -- alpha drivers ensure that any such attempt merely ends with the cutter being stuck in the left-hand lane, impotent, weak, defeated.

~
~
 
Except if the driver attempting to cut in is a SOCIOPATH [2% of the population?] or a FARKING MORON [half the population, heh] who is willing to come to a complete stop with their indicator flashing until some chump lets them in. Don't you hate it when you see it unfold a few cars in front of you? For every UNCONSCIONABLY RUDE and selfish driver there is always someone willing to let them in. Drives me nuts.

Part of my frustration is because I'm simply curious to see how long these type of self-centred folk are willing to hold up the traffic behind them before they give up, and finally move with the lane's intended flow and take the next exit. But sure as anything: some weak-assed sucker will let them cut in before 10 seconds elapses.
 
2013-09-21 03:21:14 PM  

Bareefer Obonghit: How are they going to ticket every person in the state?


They'll check for any Northeastern accent, first.
 
2013-09-21 03:50:29 PM  
Tough one here.

Asshats texting react slow so that slows down turn lanes. But you're a prick if you cut someone off period.

Can we also issue tickets for people trying to merge on a freeway while on their cell phone?

And ticket people who have to finish their text before actually moving on a green light? Anymore a 10 second green light gets 2 cars through entirely due to slow reaction/texting/blabbing.  4-5 cars at the very least could get through a green light.

And ticket morons how wait to move into your lane just as you are about to pass them.
 
2013-09-21 03:57:16 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: What bugs me is people who aren't paying attention to their driving, they're doing other things like talking on their phone, playing with the radio or DOING NEWS REPORTS.


I came here to ask what the fine is for doing a goddamn live news report while driving a farking car at goddamn night.  hopefully we see a follow up tag with this asswipe getting a distracted driving ticket.
 
2013-09-21 04:07:21 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: "is it against the law? can you get a ticket?" Well, first of all, you're speeding to get ahead of traffic, which IS against the law, and yes, you are allowed to speed up to pass, but you are passing while not using your signal, cutting people off, and weaving in and out of traffic which creates a dangerous environment for other motorists. Besides the legality of it, it is a dick move, and when you do that, you're an asshole. Just because you're in a hurry, isn't justification to put everyone else's lives at risk. Leave earlier.


I am a courier (so leaving earlier isn't an option) and drive in this sh*t for 8+ hours a day! I call some of these people 'line jumpers', which I have to do occasionally but I never hold up the line of traffic to accomplish this! The people who come to a complete stop to merge into another lane piss me off! But so do the people who will not let them in!
I wish the DMV in all states would require all potential drivers to show they know how to merge and let others merge before they receive a license!
 
2013-09-21 04:12:28 PM  

NightSteel: Gecko Gingrich: Link, studies, citations and such as.

I looked at the study about flow rates under the two models.  Its supporting data is a bit shaky, given that they use only one day of traffic under the uncontrolled model where people presumably merge early, and compare it to 4 different days of traffic under controlled late merging conditions.  If that one day had below average traffic, that throws the whole thing off.  But, increases in throughput were indeed present--which surprises me.  People keep talking about fluid dynamics, but as I understand it, a choke point is a choke point; you can't get 500 cars through a one lane section of road any faster whether they merge early or late.


But at the "choke point" at people traveling on average 25 mph or 35 mph. If you increase the average speed through the choke point you greatly decrease congestion. I'd be willing to bet with a controlled experiment with professional drivers the results would be similar for early merging and zipper merging. In reality your simply moving the choke point backwards with early merging, which may be a good thing or a really bad thing.
 
2013-09-21 04:21:32 PM  

NewportBarGuy: pla: But simply blocking them from ever getting back into traffic doesn't solve the problem.

It does for me. I keep a 12" interval and allow no one in unless it's seriously backed up, merged traffic. Just some impatient asshole trying to force his way in? Not happening.

If people would simply merge further back, you'd avoid most of the traffic jam anyway.


Truckers who swing into the other lane, or idiots who slam on their brakes for basically no reason other than they weren't paying attention until they saw traffic slow down, end up causing ripple effects that bring the flow of traffic to a dead halt no matter where people merge. Despite the actual capacity of a lane being fairly high, some people won't drive more than 10 MPH if there's a crew nearby, even on the other side of concrete dividers. Goes double for truckers desperate to save on diesel - I've seen one leave a mile-long gap in front by the time I got past construction and around him.
 
2013-09-21 04:32:11 PM  
I think the real assholes are the people who biatch and moan about something as trivial as this. That one car even had a turn signal. If a car has their turn signal on for three blinks to give ample notice they want in your lane, and you do what you can to not let them in said lane; you are the real asshole. Not them. The other people cutting in front without having ample space or giving a turn signal? Screw those bastards. The rest of them didn't do anything wrong. People should take a deep breath, relax, and realize that if something like this video irritates them then they have some really severe issues in their lives to deal with, because such a thing isn't normal or healthy.
 
2013-09-21 04:46:34 PM  

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It's true with every guy....dont try to deny it

I call you on that. My fiancee is hotter so little-miss-line-cutter can just go ahead and get stuffed.


Pics or GTFO
 
2013-09-21 04:51:40 PM  

aerojockey: safetycap: People who wait till the last second are lesser assholes than people who cause back ups for miles because they merge way way too soon and leave big-arsed gaps in front of them because they space out, distract themselves and/or get scared.

That too.  In California there's another reason for this: people don't want to strain their precious BMW and Audi engines by accelerating it too fast, so cultrally there's a tendency not to ever "gun it".  Ergo, lots of gaps.  Ergo, lots of people cutting in front of you.

It's more annoying at traffic lights than on the freeway, though.  At traffic lights people will take their foot off the brake and idle until the car hits 5 or 10 mph before accelerating.  Annoying as fark if you're the second car in line.  Other that, traffic lights are much better in California than any other state I've been in.


What's bizarre is that this is a relatively recent phenomenon, though. Los Angeles had insanely short on-ramps from the 40's to roughly the late 70's to early 90's, when they went on a reconstruction binge. You had to stomp the gas to get up to speed, and still do in some places. I don't know if it's gas prices or hypermiling or people desperate to keep the little "green" indicator going on their Leaf or Prius, but it's looney tunes that we have several times the power of an old hot rod in every low-end family sedan now (at ten or more times the gas mileage) but people still drive as if they're behind the wheel of a Volvo 240.

Don't come to Fresno if you get frustrated over traffic lights, though. Unsensored lights timed for rush hour traffic (including minute-long protected lefts) at 3 am will leave you pondering the chances of a cop spotting you, since no one else is around to notice.
 
2013-09-21 04:57:26 PM  

Amos Quito: [actsoftheapostasy.files.wordpress.com image 590x600]

Just another day in paradise.


Even LA isn't that bad.
 
2013-09-21 05:12:13 PM  

Gecko Gingrich: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

I'm looking at you, dickhead beamer with the "Baby on Board" sticker. You know who you are. You suck.

Ah, you mean folks who understand fluid mechanics and what the term "zipper merge" means? Those folks?


Except that traffic is still billiard balls, not a liquid of zero viscosity.

So it's the folks who know just enough physics to be dangerous.
 
2013-09-21 06:27:06 PM  

oukewldave: What is "merging too soon" mean? You have a sign two miles before the end of the lane that it is ending. At that point, you should be looking for a chance to move out of your lane during those two miles. No one is advocating diving in to the adjacent lane as soon as they are seeing these signs. You continue to drive and find an opening to safely move over. People are commenting on the dbags who feel they are too important to sit in the slower lane and drive until they can't anymore on the lane that is closing, then push their way in.


I've seen on the road and seen here on Fark people earnestly advocating merging halfway over as soon as the sign comes up. Not all the way, but halfway, so that they make sure to block any "bad behavior" in the other lane.

I'm sure it makes them feel powerful.
 
2013-09-21 06:31:19 PM  

snocone: phamwaa: Super Chronic: Sorry to hear that. Allstate has been really good to me over the years, though. (On my homeowners policy, anyway.) Probably a lot depends on who you deal with, unfortunately, and that goes for every company.

Agreed that some pricks cause problems because they're simply pricks, but it still reflects on the company as a whole.

<Not so csb>
We decided to switch from Allstate to a more reasonably-priced insurer, since Allstate had been steadily jacking our premium beyond all reason. We had paid for the homeowner insurance and were two months into the term when we switched. The sweetheart agent at Allstate immediately informed the mortgage company that our policy had lapsed, and the mortgage company slapped on their own policy and placed it in escrow.

After two further months of fighting this, we said "screw it" and paid off the mortgage. So, no more interest for you, Suntrust.

We received a check for the overpaid mortgage balance: $0.01. I framed it and I hope it farks over their accounting.
</Not so csb>

Was not the agent. The cancel notice is demanded by law and automatic.
Have you not learned that the mortgagor owns the house?


What the fark don't you understand about "We paid the premium"? The agent was being a dick. Instead of reporting the date we ended the coverage, they reported the beginning of the term. Fark them with a hot poker.
 
2013-09-21 06:38:22 PM  
Cutting someone off to merge to the right or crossing a white line like this is assholish, no question. At least in the Portland, OR area, people leave 10+ car length gaps (at 5MPH) between them and cars in front of them (that shouldn't), and if someone takes advantage of that gap, I have no problem with it. In fact, the guy leaving the huge gap at low speeds is the problem, as it causes traffic backups that last for miles/hours and hugely inconsiderate of all other people on the road.
 
2013-09-21 06:38:25 PM  
This is precisely why I don't carry a gun in my car.
 
2013-09-21 07:01:11 PM  
At what age will I just quit looking before I back out of the driveway?

/It doesn't pay to buy a nice fancy car.  Might as well drive one that you're not afraid of getting dinged up
 
2013-09-21 07:05:13 PM  

06Wahoo: Now, I've seen the arguments. "Oh, don't just jump over idiot". Of course not. No one is arguing that. But you whine that it creates a choke point, which, let's face it, is going to happen later anyway. When you've got two miles to merge, watch for a good time to merge over, and do it earlier. Realistically, that is more than enough time for people to get over without impeding on other drivers, and by the time the merge comes up, everyone may be moving slower, but at least it isn't stop and go as people have to zipper their way in when forced to at the end. It is just frustrating that some people just plain seem oblivious to this, again, not paying attention.


Difficulty: Traffic isn't really caused by choke points, they're just one of many common reasons. The real cause is bad driving, and that can happen anywhere; all it takes is one person slamming on their brakes for a jam to reverberate back quite far. It's just as likely to happen somewhere along that two mile merge length as it is for the two miles on construction beyond, and you'd be much better off avoiding it by taken the free lane as far as you can. This isn't even just assholish cutting, it's just being unwilling to share in self-created pain by people underutilizing a lane. More than once I've passed up a stopped stretch of car in a merge lane only to find a relatively free-flowing section ahead, and merged in at speed without stopping anyong; not always, but it happens. Why subject yourself unnecessarily?
 
2013-09-21 07:08:46 PM  

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...for the people who think that this kind of law is fine.
 
2013-09-21 07:13:07 PM  

aerojockey: PainInTheASP: Now if they would only start ticketing the assholes who ignore miles of "Lane Closed" signs and force their way into the proper lane at the last second.

Look in the mirror, pal.

The real assholes are people like you who see "lane closed two miles ahead" and switch lanes right away.  All that ends up doing it causing traffic to needlessly to back up for miles.  The correct time to merge is about 1000 feet ahead of the lane closure.  When you go through a construction zone you will see signs like "lange closed 2 miles ahead": nothing about merging now.  Sometimes you'll see "merge in 2000 feet": explicitly saying not to merge now but to get ready to merge.  Sometimes you see "use both lanes" signs.  Doesn't matter.  You assholes ignore these signs and merge into a single lane way too early, backing up traffic for everyone.

At about 1000 feet before the lane closure you see signs "merge left" or "merge right".  That's when it's time to merge.  Any signs you see before this are just telling you to get ready.


Indeed. Get ready. which the assholes rushing up to the front of the line aren't doing. That is the point folks are making. No one is telling them to get over yet, just to not wait until the very farking end when you have clearly had miles of warning, dumbass.
 
2013-09-21 07:49:36 PM  

foxyshadis: Difficulty: Traffic isn't really caused by choke points, they're just one of many common reasons. The real cause is bad driving, and that can happen anywhere; all it takes is one person slamming on their brakes for a jam to reverberate back quite far


That's what happens when every car is 5 feet behind the car in front of them.
 
2013-09-21 08:14:49 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Indeed. Get ready. which the assholes rushing up to the front of the line aren't doing. That is the point folks are making. No one is telling them to get over yet, just to not wait until the very farking end when you have clearly had miles of warning, dumbass.


Actually, more than one person has said to begin the process of merging as soon as you are aware of a lane closure ahead, without regard to whether the signage tells you to merge or not.  But they're not saying actually merge right away, you have to wait for an opening first.  Which takes like, what, ten seconds?  Whatever.

I say you should refuse to merge (that is, you should obey the "use both lanes" sign) until you see a sign actually telling you to merge.  Which you never see more than 2000 ft ahead of lane closure.  For a reason.

Most of the assholes that rush up to the front of the line are doing so because you enable them to.  If everyone stayed in their lane until the correct merge point (which is 1000 ft or so before the closure) then the assholes wouldn't be able to do that, or at best would be able to get past only a few cars.
 
2013-09-21 08:26:43 PM  

foxyshadis: What's bizarre is that this is a relatively recent phenomenon, though. Los Angeles had insanely short on-ramps from the 40's to roughly the late 70's to early 90's, when they went on a reconstruction binge. You had to stomp the gas to get up to speed, and still do in some places. I don't know if it's gas prices or hypermiling or people desperate to keep the little "green" indicator going on their Leaf or Prius, but it's looney tunes that we have several times the power of an old hot rod in every low-end family sedan now (at ten or more times the gas mileage) but people still drive as if they're behind the wheel of a Volvo 240.


It's people not wanting to "gun it", on the belief that "gunning it" is bad to the car.  Or maybe that it risks spinning the tires.  Flooring the accelerator while at a complete stop might be bad for your car (maybe) but simply accelarating at a reasonable level from a stop is not "gunning it".  But almost no one accelerates till they're about halfway through the intersection.

Don't come to Fresno if you get frustrated over traffic lights, though. Unsensored lights timed for rush hour traffic (including minute-long protected lefts) at 3 am will leave you pondering the chances of a cop spotting you, since no one else is around to notice.

 I spent a week back in Pittsburgh, and the lights irritated me because they weren't timed well (though better than in Cincinnati) but when the light turned green at least people in front of me actually started moving.
 
2013-09-21 09:45:39 PM  

aerojockey: I spent a week back in Pittsburgh, and the lights irritated me because they weren't timed well


That sounds like Pittsburgh alright.
 
2013-09-21 11:33:16 PM  

pla: lack of warmth : If you are paying attention to what may affect the car ahead of you, then your reaction time should be the same as that driver.

You've hit on the real problem right there - Having the same reaction time as the driver ahead of you doesn't mean you start slowing down at the same time.  You assume you both react to the same cue, but what if the driver ahead of you just randomly stomps on his brakes (not as unlikely as it sounds, if he got distracted for half a second and then noticed he had gotten too close to the next car ahead)?

So, at 30MPH, you move at 44 feet per second. For someone paying close attention, they will consciously notice the brake lights after 150-300ms; decide to follow suit over the next 150-300ms; then implement that plan in... yes, another 150-300ms.  A young twitch-gamer might beat that by 50%, and a fogie might double it, but in the real world that describes how long it really does take for most people to begin slowing down in response to a change ahead of them: 0.5 to 1 full second.

At a 10ft following distance, at 30MPH, you would need to react in less than 230ms.  Even that obnoxious 17YO that can frags you before you can even read the announcement he joined your game, can't realistically manage that. As a consequence, in bumper-to-bumper traffic flowing at 20-40MPH... When someone suddenly stomps on their brakes, an accident does happen, almost unavoidably.


If you are paying attention only to the tail lights of the driver in front of you, then you are NOT paying attention to a lot of things.  I watch every aspect of everything going on in my path.  I anticipate what will affect the driver in front of me, the driver in front of him and anything else going on as far my eye can see.  I have many times saw something working into play and I let off the gas well before the driver in front me has seen it and applied brakes.  This is how driving somewhat close to someone can work.  I don't wait for other drivers to affect me, I affect the outcome.  If you are only concerned with the immediate area surrounding your car, then you are near sighted.
 
2013-09-22 01:23:07 AM  

Big Ramifications: Pocket Ninja: If a driver is able to get away with this manuever, what's happened is that he's identified you as a passive, simpering, frightened fawn of a motorist and is simply exploiting your weakness. No driver worth the space he occupies on the road allows this to happen -- alpha drivers ensure that any such attempt merely ends with the cutter being stuck in the left-hand lane, impotent, weak, defeated.
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Except if the driver attempting to cut in is a SOCIOPATH [2% of the population?] or a FARKING MORON [half the population, heh] who is willing to come to a complete stop with their indicator flashing until some chump lets them in. Don't you hate it when you see it unfold a few cars in front of you? For every UNCONSCIONABLY RUDE and selfish driver there is always someone willing to let them in. Drives me nuts.

Part of my frustration is because I'm simply curious to see how long these type of self-centred folk are willing to hold up the traffic behind them before they give up, and finally move with the lane's intended flow and take the next exit. But sure as anything: some weak-assed sucker will let them cut in before 10 seconds elapses.


As someone who deals with the Gowanus to the BQE interchange in NYC a couple times per week - the answer is forever.  They will wait forever.  And stop traffic going in to the tunnel until a truck or bus, who isn't tailgating, lets them in.  These are the cases people DO cut in line and simply hold up traffic until someone lets them cut in line .
 
2013-09-22 01:36:19 AM  

MarkEC: pla: lack of warmth : If you are paying attention to what may affect the car ahead of you, then your reaction time should be the same as that driver.

You've hit on the real problem right there - Having the same reaction time as the driver ahead of you doesn't mean you start slowing down at the same time.  You assume you both react to the same cue, but what if the driver ahead of you just randomly stomps on his brakes (not as unlikely as it sounds, if he got distracted for half a second and then noticed he had gotten too close to the next car ahead)?

So, at 30MPH, you move at 44 feet per second. For someone paying close attention, they will consciously notice the brake lights after 150-300ms; decide to follow suit over the next 150-300ms; then implement that plan in... yes, another 150-300ms.  A young twitch-gamer might beat that by 50%, and a fogie might double it, but in the real world that describes how long it really does take for most people to begin slowing down in response to a change ahead of them: 0.5 to 1 full second.

At a 10ft following distance, at 30MPH, you would need to react in less than 230ms.  Even that obnoxious 17YO that can frags you before you can even read the announcement he joined your game, can't realistically manage that. As a consequence, in bumper-to-bumper traffic flowing at 20-40MPH... When someone suddenly stomps on their brakes, an accident does happen, almost unavoidably.

I've witnessed many rear end accidents in stop-and-go traffic on clogged highways. The majority of those have been caused by people who were leaving a seemingly large enough gap in front of them. The farther behind a car you are, the longer it takes you to react. Your depth perception does not work as well at 100 ft as it does at 10ft. That safe gap you leave in front of you can disappear without you having a clue until you slam on your brakes when you are going 40 mph faster than the car in front of you.


You are the first person I've ever seen who is pro tailgating.  Congrats.
 
2013-09-22 04:23:09 AM  
No one is as good a driver as I am. I am the best.
 
2013-09-22 06:57:40 AM  

Daniels: You are the first person I've ever seen who is pro tailgating. Congrats.


I'm not advocating anything, just pointing out the flaw in the "safe" following distance rules. I've seen at least a dozen rear end collisions on stop and go highways and the majority were allowing a proper distance running into the back of the last car of a train. The majority of drivers cannot judge the speed of another car from a distance, and the constant sea of brake lights makes that visual cue less useful.
 
2013-09-22 08:37:27 AM  

foxyshadis: Truckers who swing into the other lane, or idiots who slam on their brakes for basically no reason other than they weren't paying attention until they saw traffic slow down, end up causing ripple effects that bring the flow of traffic to a dead halt no matter where people merge. Despite the actual capacity of a lane being fairly high, some people won't drive more than 10 MPH if there's a crew nearby, even on the other side of concrete dividers. Goes double for truckers desperate to save on diesel - I've seen one leave a mile-long gap in front by the time I got past construction and around him.


Fair enough. And, to be honest, I usually aim to merge in front of truckers because I know they will usually leave a wide enough gap to merge in front of. The ones I really hate are the people who fly down and merge through the double white lines just expecting there to be an opening. I try to drive half onto the double-white as I take the exit and watch the few yahoos behind merge wayyyyyyyyyy back knowing that there is no opening.

My theory was that they would eventually learn, but that would require doing it every 30 seconds of rush hour for 2 hours.

One thing I saw was a State Police Trooper parked his car with lights on at the double whites one morning and traffic never flowed better. Everyone in line doing 40 instead of 15 right until the exit.
 
2013-09-22 11:51:22 AM  
I'm currently learning to drive, so I just want to preemptively apologize to everyone else on the road for all the mistakes I'm gonna make while I get the hang of things.

/currently everyone gives me a ton of slack because of the giant DRIVERS SCHOOL sign on top of the car
//not 16
///just had panic disorder and decided it was better to wait until I was mentally healthy than to have a meltdown at 70 mph
 
2013-09-22 12:07:07 PM  

foxyshadis: Amos Quito: [actsoftheapostasy.files.wordpress.com image 590x600]

Just another day in paradise.

Even LA isn't that bad.



Good catch.

Shopped or not, It is illustrative of the insanity of LA area traffic.

One thing I will say about LA area drivers - they tend to keep moving at freeway speeds - even when traffic is so thick that in most other areas, people would be crawling at 15-20 mph.
 
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