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2013-09-21 08:20:34 AM
They'll get over it.
 
2013-09-21 08:36:10 AM
Now I gotta add "cutting the grass" to that list of nostalgic things kids can't do today.
 
2013-09-21 08:36:25 AM
"Tricks like this on our parents is how half of you were conceived .....And why a lot of your friends don't have an address to send that Father's day card to!!!''

Damn.  That's just cold.
 
2013-09-21 08:41:56 AM
I hope that there are more normal parents than helicopter parents. I don't think a generation of kids raised by helicopter mums will be a very good generation.
 
2013-09-21 08:46:55 AM
"I care deeply about my children's safety. But safety is just one important thing to teach our children. And it's not even anywhere near the most important thing. Keeping your kids from dying or getting hurt is of secondary importance to teaching them how to live. Safety isn't even a virtue. If you're teaching your kids more about safety than you are about honesty, kindness, respect for others, responsibility, gratitude, integrity, cooperation, determination, social skills, enthusiasm, compassion and manners, you're doing it wrong."


and what the hell is a "listserv"?
 
2013-09-21 08:49:02 AM
In my day, we had no shoes and only an old rusty push mower and we mowed the lawn uphill both ways.  And they paid us in lint.
 
2013-09-21 08:50:50 AM

Slaxl: I hope that there are more normal parents than helicopter parents. I don't think a generation of kids raised by helicopter mums will be a very good generation.


There are more bad parents than "normal" or helicopter parents put together.  They're the ones with the kids who shoot people or become realtors.
 
2013-09-21 09:09:06 AM

thamike: Slaxl: I hope that there are more normal parents than helicopter parents. I don't think a generation of kids raised by helicopter mums will be a very good generation.

There are more bad parents than "normal" or helicopter parents put together.  They're the ones with the kids who shoot people or become realtors.


I laughed.
 
2013-09-21 09:13:12 AM
As a parent who somewhat agrees with the notion that kids are overprotected, I'd posit that many of us feel we have no choice but to overprotect them. The bike helmets she mentioned? Mandatory in many jurisdictions. You can thank your local safe kids (or whatever) org for that. Their job is to do nothing but "somebody think of the children!"

And I've never gotten one bit of actual data from our local chapter on how many injuries are prevented...

However, one of the biggest culprits in perpetuating this is the busybody behavior of people that chuck mud from behind the walls of their gated social media community, whether it's Facebook or a neighborhood listserv:

"Did you see her kids hanging off the tree branches?"
"She just lets them run around all day"

It's groupthink at it's worst and I've seen my wife and other neighborhood women do exactly this. This effect has been around forever, but social media just amplifies it. I've seen people go from feeling judged by others to turning around and firing it right back when they get their chance. It is passive-aggressive bullying writ large. And don't think for a second that eyes aren't on you every second you're not in your home.

So pretty much any time I "helicopter" my kids is because I don't feel like being judged by that crowd. And good luck trying to combat that because you've never seen wagons circled that quickly - you'll pretty much end up on the local "asshole of the year" list. And since this is just another societal evolutionary step, it will only get worse. Everybody is your kids parents.
 
2013-09-21 09:28:01 AM
A kid gets hurt cutting your grass? In today's legal atmosphere odds are you're going to get sued.
 
2013-09-21 09:49:05 AM
Where the hell are the kids wanting to mow MY lawn?! Lazy bastards ...
 
2013-09-21 09:55:28 AM

thamike: In my day, we had no shoes and only an old rusty push mower and we mowed the lawn uphill both ways.  And they paid us in lint.


(yorkshireman) Luxury. (/yorkshireman)
 
2013-09-21 10:01:09 AM

HawgWild: Where the hell are the kids wanting to mow MY lawn?! Lazy bastards ...


Sitting on a couch somewhere playing GTA V and shoving Doritos into their gaping, acne-riddled maws.
 
2013-09-21 10:12:59 AM

Nabb1: HawgWild: Where the hell are the kids wanting to mow MY lawn?! Lazy bastards ...

Sitting on a couch somewhere playing GTA V and shoving Doritos into their gaping, acne-riddled maws.


Dammit. My lawn needs mowing! I mean, I could do it, but that doesn't teach The ChildrenTM bootstrappyness!
 
2013-09-21 10:41:40 AM

oldernell: A kid gets hurt cutting your grass? In today's legal atmosphere odds are you're going to get sued.


I think most people misinterpret the intentions in most injury lawsuits. The idea is not to punish the homeowners, but instead to get the homeowners insurance to pay up. If there is a serious injury on your property, your homeowners insurance is there to cover those medical costs. Unfortunately, the insurance company isn't going to just say "Okay, yeah, we'll pay that". You have to convince them to do so in the form of a court order.
 
2013-09-21 10:46:01 AM

sno man: and what the hell is a "listserv"?


E-Mail in the 1980s.
 
2013-09-21 11:27:29 AM
sno man:
and what the hell is a "listserv"?

It's the thing that is controlled by majordomo.
 
2013-09-21 11:29:22 AM
In my day, we cut the neighbors with scissors, all by hand, and we had chicken shiat thrown at us as payment.
 
2013-09-21 11:31:41 AM

Donnchadha: oldernell: A kid gets hurt cutting your grass? In today's legal atmosphere odds are you're going to get sued.

I think most people misinterpret the intentions in most injury lawsuits. The idea is not to punish the homeowners, but instead to get the homeowners insurance to pay up. If there is a serious injury on your property, your homeowners insurance is there to cover those medical costs. Unfortunately, the insurance company isn't going to just say "Okay, yeah, we'll pay that". You have to convince them to do so in the form of a court order.


Which is also why you see a lot of family members suing each other. They're actually suing the insurance company, and it makes perfect sense.
 
2013-09-21 11:35:22 AM
Time to whip this out again

www.explosm.net
 
2013-09-21 11:37:01 AM
She starts out by complaining about reasonable lawnmower safety, and then reasonable bike safety. Safety glasses and bike helmets aren't a massive inconvenience people. She's probably never looked under a lawnmower either and realized that maybe an unsupervised ten year old might not be the best person to hire to cut the grass. I don't think those people are crazy cautious. Real helicopter parents walk their kids from the damn parking lot to their classroom. They ask for background checks on friends parents before letting their kids go to a friends house. Crap like that.
 
2013-09-21 11:41:48 AM
The 'The Hunger Games' survivors put that on their resume' and next thing you know they're the manager at Denny's.
 
2013-09-21 11:43:52 AM
Some of that is reasonable. I cut my grass wearing proper shoes, pants and sunglasses that are rated as safety glasses, just because I don't really want a rock in my eye or embedded in my leg.

As far as the helicopter rescue goes, if it were my kids out there I'd be asking if I could ride along because helicopters are awesome.
 
2013-09-21 11:44:01 AM

thamike: In my day, we had no shoes and only an old rusty push mower and we mowed the lawn uphill both ways.  And they paid us in lint.


Heh, we had the same but had to mow through the snow.
 
2013-09-21 11:46:06 AM

Russ1642: She starts out by complaining about reasonable lawnmower safety, and then reasonable bike safety. Safety glasses and bike helmets aren't a massive inconvenience people. She's probably never looked under a lawnmower either and realized that maybe an unsupervised ten year old might not be the best person to hire to cut the grass. I don't think those people are crazy cautious. Real helicopter parents walk their kids from the damn parking lot to their classroom. They ask for background checks on friends parents before letting their kids go to a friends house. Crap like that.


Helmets are for pussies.  The best way to not need one is to learn how to ride without crashing.  The second best way to not need one is to learn how to crash safely.  In the hundreds of bike crashes I've had in only one would a helmet have helped.  Some asshole sent his dog after me and I broadsided it at over 20mph.  The dog died and I wound up with a concussion.  

Be safe, learn to crash/fall/slip down a mountain while holding a rifle/etc. without undue harm to yourself.
 
2013-09-21 11:49:59 AM
Whenever I need my 12 year old son to do some chores, I tease him about his snowflake generation, all delicate and unique.

This pisses him off enough to get his lazy ass away from Minecraft and to the garage for the lawnmower.
 
2013-09-21 11:53:30 AM
When my kid was in daycare they had a little hill in the back yard. I mean little. A ball would roll down it if you nudged it, and stop after about 10m.

My kid wasn't allowed to slide down it in the winter because he didn't have a helmet. A helmet.

I took him to Rouge Hill, as it's a really steep grade for about 100m. He preferred it.
 
2013-09-21 11:53:46 AM
Yes safety is an issue, you could shoot your eye out.
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2013-09-21 11:57:51 AM

DrSansabeltNoShiatSlacks: In my day, we cut the neighbors with scissors, all by hand, and we had chicken shiat thrown at us as payment.


If you were cutting the neighbours then you are lucky to only have chicken shiat thrown at you.
 
2013-09-21 12:03:22 PM

edmo: Now I gotta add "cutting the grass" to that list of nostalgic things kids can't do today.


Nostalgic? I hated mowing the lawn. The only thing worse was hedge trimming.
 
2013-09-21 12:04:52 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: thamike: In my day, we had no shoes and only an old rusty push mower and we mowed the lawn uphill both ways.  And they paid us in lint.

Heh, we had the same but had to mow through the snow.


i448.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-21 12:06:02 PM

sno man: "I care deeply about my children's safety. But safety is just one important thing to teach our children. And it's not even anywhere near the most important thing. Keeping your kids from dying or getting hurt is of secondary importance to teaching them how to live. Safety isn't even a virtue. If you're teaching your kids more about safety than you are about honesty, kindness, respect for others, responsibility, gratitude, integrity, cooperation, determination, social skills, enthusiasm, compassion and manners, you're doing it wrong."


and what the hell is a "listserv"?


Perhaps listserv is like 'protect-serve', without the 3 seashells.
 
2013-09-21 12:06:22 PM
Smeggy Smurf:
Helmets are for pussies.  The best way to not need one is to learn how to ride without crashing.

Riding without crashing is for pussies.

I loved my helmet.  It meant I didn't have to duck so much for branches, just let them bounce off of the ol' brain bucket.
 
2013-09-21 12:07:06 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Russ1642: She starts out by complaining about reasonable lawnmower safety, and then reasonable bike safety. Safety glasses and bike helmets aren't a massive inconvenience people. She's probably never looked under a lawnmower either and realized that maybe an unsupervised ten year old might not be the best person to hire to cut the grass. I don't think those people are crazy cautious. Real helicopter parents walk their kids from the damn parking lot to their classroom. They ask for background checks on friends parents before letting their kids go to a friends house. Crap like that.

Helmets are for pussies.  The best way to not need one is to learn how to ride without crashing.  The second best way to not need one is to learn how to crash safely.  In the hundreds of bike crashes I've had in only one would a helmet have helped.  Some asshole sent his dog after me and I broadsided it at over 20mph.  The dog died and I wound up with a concussion.  

Be safe, learn to crash/fall/slip down a mountain while holding a rifle/etc. without undue harm to yourself.


Is that where your massive brain damage comes from.
I've always worn a helmet on a bike. But a tricycle is a goddamn tricycle and simple doesn't require a kid to wear one.
/Thinks kids are to goddamn sheltered.
 
2013-09-21 12:09:07 PM
Someone who jills off while imagining the 1950s that never were, I see.
 
2013-09-21 12:14:20 PM
They want to be the only helicopters in their children's lives. Jealousy is an ugly thing.
 
2013-09-21 12:20:22 PM

Richard C Stanford: Smeggy Smurf: Russ1642: She starts out by complaining about reasonable lawnmower safety, and then reasonable bike safety. Safety glasses and bike helmets aren't a massive inconvenience people. She's probably never looked under a lawnmower either and realized that maybe an unsupervised ten year old might not be the best person to hire to cut the grass. I don't think those people are crazy cautious. Real helicopter parents walk their kids from the damn parking lot to their classroom. They ask for background checks on friends parents before letting their kids go to a friends house. Crap like that.

Helmets are for pussies.  The best way to not need one is to learn how to ride without crashing.  The second best way to not need one is to learn how to crash safely.  In the hundreds of bike crashes I've had in only one would a helmet have helped.  Some asshole sent his dog after me and I broadsided it at over 20mph.  The dog died and I wound up with a concussion.  

Be safe, learn to crash/fall/slip down a mountain while holding a rifle/etc. without undue harm to yourself.


Is that where your massive brain damage comes from.
I've always worn a helmet on a bike. But a tricycle is a goddamn tricycle and simple doesn't require a kid to wear one.
/Thinks kids are to goddamn sheltered.


No that comes from the constant facepalming from the derp spewed by fascists
 
2013-09-21 12:26:27 PM
Cares, who?
 
2013-09-21 12:30:15 PM

sno man: and what the hell is a "listserv"?

 
2013-09-21 12:41:50 PM
One of the problems that occurred with my last girlfriend were her two boys, a 9 and10 years old.
Neither one  could tie their own shoe laces,  neither could throw a ball nor ride a bike for more then 10 feet without falling down or having to stop and lift the bike to turn around.  Yard work they were not to help for they might get hurt and besides "work was hard and boring" and would walk off.  Pulling weeds, they'd cry if they grabbed a hold of a weed with prickly bits and run inside.  They spent most of the day in the house playing video games.  They had been pulled from public school because they were bullied and were now getting "home schooled".  They had no chores to do, and wouldn't even help wash a car! Hell I loved getting to help wash a car and sure water wars would break out and bucket dumping over an unsuspecting father or brother! We lived outside, having to "Come in" to the house was punishment! 
She thought I was mean to her children, I thought I was just trying to teach them life skills so maybe one day they could walk around on their own w/o having to hold on to mommy's dress.
 
2013-09-21 12:46:21 PM

Gleeman: sno man: and what the hell is a "listserv"?


It's basically an e-mail distribution list where anyone on the list can send email to everyone by sending it to the listserv address.
 
2013-09-21 12:47:39 PM
Safety glasses when mowing lawns is not a bad idea.

That being said, it's nice to see an article that blames parents, not kids.

I hear so much "everyone gets a trophy these days" targeted at the kids, as if they need the trophies.  They don't.  They want to win.  It's the parents that can't stand to see their kids lose.
 
2013-09-21 12:49:01 PM

Charlie Freak: As a parent who somewhat agrees with the notion that kids are overprotected, I'd posit that many of us feel we have no choice but to overprotect them. The bike helmets she mentioned? Mandatory in many jurisdictions. You can thank your local safe kids (or whatever) org for that. Their job is to do nothing but "somebody think of the children!"

And I've never gotten one bit of actual data from our local chapter on how many injuries are prevented...

However, one of the biggest culprits in perpetuating this is the busybody behavior of people that chuck mud from behind the walls of their gated social media community, whether it's Facebook or a neighborhood listserv:

"Did you see her kids hanging off the tree branches?"
"She just lets them run around all day"

It's groupthink at it's worst and I've seen my wife and other neighborhood women do exactly this. This effect has been around forever, but social media just amplifies it. I've seen people go from feeling judged by others to turning around and firing it right back when they get their chance. It is passive-aggressive bullying writ large. And don't think for a second that eyes aren't on you every second you're not in your home.

So pretty much any time I "helicopter" my kids is because I don't feel like being judged by that crowd. And good luck trying to combat that because you've never seen wagons circled that quickly - you'll pretty much end up on the local "asshole of the year" list. And since this is just another societal evolutionary step, it will only get worse. Everybody is your kids parents.


I'm the mom that lets my kid(s) hang from tree branches. They also play street hockey (in the street!!), disappear all day on hikes and bike rides, walk to school by themselves and bathe without me standing over them. The only thing they aren't allowed to do is use the pool without an actual adult present. I ought to be shot I'm sure but I don't understand how these parents get anything done in a day with all the supervising they do ffs. Also, I've always tried to teach my kids to not be intolerant of anyone but those that are intolerant. I find it amusing that those parents who judge me from behind their expertly painted walls are also the ones who often come to me for parenting advice.
 
2013-09-21 12:53:19 PM

Russ1642: She starts out by complaining about reasonable lawnmower safety, and then reasonable bike safety. Safety glasses and bike helmets aren't a massive inconvenience people. She's probably never looked under a lawnmower either and realized that maybe an unsupervised ten year old might not be the best person to hire to cut the grass. I don't think those people are crazy cautious. Real helicopter parents walk their kids from the damn parking lot to their classroom. They ask for background checks on friends parents before letting their kids go to a friends house. Crap like that.


you're insane and I hate you. Don't try to legitimize bicycle helmets.
 
2013-09-21 12:53:32 PM
I should also probably state that, yes my kids are 16, 11 and 8, but they've all enjoyed this freedom from grade 1 (within reason, no gone all day hikes at 6).
 
2013-09-21 12:58:22 PM

Dafatone: Safety glasses when mowing lawns is not a bad idea.

That being said, it's nice to see an article that blames parents, not kids.

I hear so much "everyone gets a trophy these days" targeted at the kids, as if they need the trophies.  They don't.  They want to win.  It's the parents that can't stand to see their kids lose.


Even the spectators in the next yard?
"Have anyone who uses a mower or is in the vicinity wear polycarbonate protective eyewear at all times."
 
2013-09-21 01:08:11 PM

sno man: Dafatone: Safety glasses when mowing lawns is not a bad idea.

That being said, it's nice to see an article that blames parents, not kids.

I hear so much "everyone gets a trophy these days" targeted at the kids, as if they need the trophies.  They don't.  They want to win.  It's the parents that can't stand to see their kids lose.

Even the spectators in the next yard?
"Have anyone who uses a mower or is in the vicinity wear polycarbonate protective eyewear at all times."


That's silly.

The thing about safety equipment is that there's no downside.  So it's really easy to say "if you're within 100 feet of a mower wear glasses," because why not?  One chunk of wood went flying and hit someone in the face once.  Had they been wearing glasses, they'd have been safer.  So, glasses make you safer.  Even if they take the odds of an accident from one in five million to one in four million, nine hundred ninety-nine thousand, nine hundred ninety-nine.
 
2013-09-21 01:10:52 PM

Mugato: sno man: and what the hell is a "listserv"?

E-Mail in the 1980s.


It's exactly like facebook but only your friends read it, it's distributed, and posts were never censored. If you liked something you'd have to write them back and say it.

In otherwords, we made a billion dollar company out of email lists. pathetic.
 
2013-09-21 01:11:10 PM

sno man: Dafatone: Safety glasses when mowing lawns is not a bad idea.

That being said, it's nice to see an article that blames parents, not kids.

I hear so much "everyone gets a trophy these days" targeted at the kids, as if they need the trophies.  They don't.  They want to win.  It's the parents that can't stand to see their kids lose.

Even the spectators in the next yard?
"Have anyone who uses a mower or is in the vicinity wear polycarbonate protective eyewear at all times."


I've been hit by shards of pine cones and tree barks getting thrown by the mower, up to about 15/20 yards away. If you're mowing the greens of Augusta, you're probably fine, though.
 
2013-09-21 01:11:26 PM
... these @$$holes should try growing up on a dairy farm. Their tiny little pinheads would explode.

/not only did I mow the lawn, but I was driving farm tractors and hay conditioners when I was twelve, not to mention things far more 'horrifying'.
 
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