edmo: The acceptability of filming is usually worked out in advance, no?
serial_crusher: This. I figure an experienced wedding photographer would know what is or is not an appropriate spot to film from. Maybe the priest assumed the guy was experienced and didn't think a discussion needed to be had?Or maybe the photographer didn't listen?
Gecko Gingrich: /"Bride and groom! Say, 'Bride and groom!'"
Gecko Gingrich: serial_crusher: This. I figure an experienced wedding photographer would know what is or is not an appropriate spot to film from. Maybe the priest assumed the guy was experienced and didn't think a discussion needed to be had?Or maybe the photographer didn't listen?He who pays the piper calls the tune. Both the priest and the photog were employees of the bride and groom (or, at least, her parents). It looks like it's an outside wedding, so it's not like the guy was rolling film, standing on the alter and using the life-sized Crucifixion sculpture to help keep his balance. If the bride and groom want pictures taken from over the shoulder of the priest, the bride and groom have pictures taken from over the shoulder of the priest./"Bride and groom! Say, 'Bride and groom!'"//That's your job.
Benevolent Misanthrope: This is why people throughout the centuries have really hated priests. They're arrogant little f*cks.
Any Pie Left: Gecko said: "Both the priest and the photog were employees of the bride and groom (or, at least, her parents) "Um, no. I don't think you understand how church services work. There is no obligation to pay the priest, but most couples customarily give him or the church some honorarium. Still, that does not imply that the couple has any control over the ceremony. Not even the music, even. This is first a religious ceremony, not an entertainment production. This looks like one of those cases where the videographers got too self-important, and they were so desperate to get the particular camera angle, they became obnoxious and a distraction.I saw this at my cousin's wedding, and I was appalled, as a part-time wedding shooter myself. At the cousin's wedding, the shooter and assistant wore blue jeans and black t-shirts, and wheeled the camera up and down the aisle and next to the couple, on a wheeled dolly. They even wheeled it right next tot he groom for the vows. They also hand-held 1K spotlights and had a third person, also in jeans and t-shirt, wrangling their AC power cable. The whole thing looked like the wedding was interrupting the work of a team of farking plumbers, snaking drains. When I shoot weddings, I shoot with respect, in a way that doesn't call attention to the cameras. If you need special angles, you get the right gear to shoot it remotely with a hidden camera, or you make do with what you CAN do. You don't go all paparazzi in the sanctuary.
TheHighlandHowler: Our local priest vanished after he refused to marry a couple who were co-habitating.
Any Pie Left: Having it outside doesn't mean all the rules automatically no longer pertain. The Pope says mass in soccer stadiums, priests hold mass at cemetaries and in open meadows or whatever, but the mass is still conducted the same way. What this is, is about Millenials who don't actually care about their religion all that much, who consder the event to be just that, an event, like one of their childhood birthday parties, where everything is catered to them. They want the religious ceremony to conform to some crap they saw on a soap opera somewhere, or in a movie. Hey, if they wanna do stuff like that, hire actors and build a set and do whatever you want. You want to celebrate and solemnify the sacrament, then you do it the way the priest says, because that's kind of the whole point of a wedding mass.
Hand Banana: He should have been fired, right there, on the spot. Tell him to get the hell off their property and call in an justice of the peace or something.
thisisyourbrainonFark: Page won't load, any linkage?
insano: everyone secretly wishes the worst part of the wedding would just end so they can start drinking.
danielscissorhands: thisisyourbrainonFark: Page won't load, any linkage?here you go. By the way this link is even better because it has him speaking before he yells at the photographer.
KrispyKritter: no obligation to pay? things are different where i live. churches charge many hundreds of dollars for the service. my nephew just started looking; the first house of worship they went to the minister stated $600.00. both nephew and his to-be are life long church going folks; i can't imagine what prices they quote at a couple that doesn't fit their little check list of who is not worthy of their almighty blessing.
Earguy: Gee, everyone immediately jumping on the priest. As a photographer (hobby) but having shot weddings, and seen many more, I'm betting that the videographer was being a jerk and deserved a little smackdown. You choose to have a Catholic ceremony, you play by their rules.I've hidden video cameras behind flower arrangements, tucked a wireless mike into the bride's bouquet, and use long/fast lenses to shoot discreetly from a distance without flash. And I dress nicely. No one has ever given me a hard time.
darkman2000: Whoever is performing the ceremony gets deference by everyone because they are the one who can pull the plug at the last second...if the priest, minister, JOTP decides it's not happening then you are farked.
CheapEngineer: Earguy: Gee, everyone immediately jumping on the priest. As a photographer (hobby) but having shot weddings, and seen many more, I'm betting that the videographer was being a jerk and deserved a little smackdown. You choose to have a Catholic ceremony, you play by their rules.I've hidden video cameras behind flower arrangements, tucked a wireless mike into the bride's bouquet, and use long/fast lenses to shoot discreetly from a distance without flash. And I dress nicely. No one has ever given me a hard time.If the photographer deserves a smackdown, *let the couple do it*. It's their day, their production, and their problem. The only looks of shock *I* saw on the couple were "WTF is this priest going on about?"It's not your day Bubba. Stand down.
HairBolus: thisisyourbrainonFark: Page won't load, any linkage?The YouTube source:something would happen by Michael Borriello - 383,394 viewsPublished on Sep 17, 2013googling Noelle Rob Ruehle will get you lots of coverage, including videos of news segments discussing this video along with interviews of the couple.
Any Pie Left: There is a real disconnect here between people of faith and people who are casual about faith, and what the expectations are. Either indoors, or outdoors, a "church" marriage conducted by a priest or minister is a sacrament http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrament The orders and rituals of participating in the sacrament are written down and followed the same for every couple. This is not about the couple "hiring" the priest and church, but about the couple coming to the priest and church to ask that their union be solemnized in the traditional way. You buy the dress, you rent the reception hall, rehearsal dinner catering, barkeeper and liquor, and band or D.J., you can hire the organist, the tuxes, the florist, and asshole photographers and the limo driver, but the priest does not "work" for you. He's not a contractor. Huge difference that couples might not understand. Obviously a lot of Farkers don't understand it either. The priest agrees to perform the ceremony if you meet all the church qualifications, such as having already gotten the previous sacraments of baptism, confession, communion, confirmation, and usually, at least of of the couple belonging to the church and being a member in good standing, including having passed your mandatory pre-cana conference, where you deeply examine yourselves and your relationship to God and each other, and study the details of the commitment you are making. If you think you can get just any priest to marry you, without all those pre-requisites, it ain't easy and it ain't supposed to be. Any money that passes to the priest is to be considered a donation or an "honorarium", not a payment.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HonorariumThat money does not obligate the priest to be anyone's biotch. It either goes to defray expenses like the power bill for running the lights and A/C for the service, or it goes into a charitable fund pool for discretionary spending on things the church or priest might need, like gas for the ...
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