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2013-09-21 01:20:59 AM
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2013-09-21 01:30:11 AM
I'm surprised Hollywood hasn't actually made a movie and completely trashed it like they did with Lord Of the Rings. Yes, the fanboys may flame me, but I didn't like the LOTR movies. So there.

The fan-flick wasn't pretty decent.
 
2013-09-21 01:31:22 AM
was pretty decent*

/Damn you lack of sleep and not wearing glasses while posting!
 
2013-09-21 02:55:21 AM

strangeluck: I'm surprised Hollywood hasn't actually made a movie and completely trashed it like they did with Lord Of the Rings. Yes, the fanboys may flame me, but I didn't like the LOTR movies. So there.

The fan-flick wasn't pretty decent.


It does seem like it would be ripe for an adaptation.  The problem with taking huge novels and trying to adapt them for film though is that you end up losing so much from the book just for time constraints.  Game of Thrones devoted ten hours each to the first two ASoIaF books and still left out huge chunks.  I suppose it's unrealistic to include everything, however.

That's one reason that if I hear something is going to be adapted for film or television I avoid reading the book (if I haven't already) until after I've seen the screen adaptation.  Going from the movie or TV show to the book works well - the books can fill in the blanks and further enrich the world.  Doing the opposite sucks, there's always a key scene you loved that gets left out, and when reading it first you develop strong ideas of how the characters look and sound, so there's inevitably a casting choice that leaves you cold.
 
2013-09-21 08:06:05 AM

TuteTibiImperes: The problem with taking huge novels and trying to adapt them for film though is that you end up losing so much from the book just for time constraints.


With WoT, that sounds like an opportunity for improvement. After a while, I was like, OK, I want to see how this thing ends, but if I hear one more throw away word about small clothes, I'm going to kill someone.
 
2013-09-21 08:09:01 AM

rumpelstiltskin: TuteTibiImperes: The problem with taking huge novels and trying to adapt them for film though is that you end up losing so much from the book just for time constraints.

With WoT, that sounds like an opportunity for improvement. After a while, I was like, OK, I want to see how this thing ends, but if I hear one more throw away word about small clothes, I'm going to kill someone.


I guess I should modify that comment. A lot of people complained about Nynaeve tugging her braid, but I always thought that meant she was rubbing her clit so I never got tired of it. Maybe the rest of the books are like that and I just didn't get it.
 
2013-09-21 08:37:39 AM

strangeluck: I'm surprised Hollywood hasn't actually made a movie and  completely trashed it like they did with Lord Of the Rings.

images.wikia.com

 
2013-09-21 09:10:19 AM
A lot less braid pulling than I expected.
 
2013-09-21 10:03:13 AM

TuteTibiImperes: strangeluck: I'm surprised Hollywood hasn't actually made a movie and completely trashed it like they did with Lord Of the Rings. Yes, the fanboys may flame me, but I didn't like the LOTR movies. So there.

The fan-flick wasn't pretty decent.

It does seem like it would be ripe for an adaptation.  The problem with taking huge novels and trying to adapt them for film though is that you end up losing so much from the book just for time constraints.  Game of Thrones devoted ten hours each to the first two ASoIaF books and still left out huge chunks.  I suppose it's unrealistic to include everything, however.

That's one reason that if I hear something is going to be adapted for film or television I avoid reading the book (if I haven't already) until after I've seen the screen adaptation.  Going from the movie or TV show to the book works well - the books can fill in the blanks and further enrich the world.  Doing the opposite sucks, there's always a key scene you loved that gets left out, and when reading it first you develop strong ideas of how the characters look and sound, so there's inevitably a casting choice that leaves you cold.


Part of the length for the WoT books was the massive amount of visual description provided.
 
2013-09-21 10:06:13 AM
I read that as "Wheel of Fortune" fan film.
 
2013-09-21 10:09:01 AM
WoT will only work in video form as an anime series. Nothing else will be able to capture the annoying quality of the female characters, the book long side plots that go nowhere and fact the characters don't seem to grow up at all in 15 books.
 
2013-09-21 10:09:20 AM
Never read the books. I was warned to stay away ...
 
2013-09-21 10:10:51 AM
I tapped out at book 5.  No way you could turn that series into films without having 15 sequels.
 
2013-09-21 10:19:36 AM
Uh oh, I just started book 1.
 
2013-09-21 10:24:02 AM

parkerlewis: I read that as "Wheel of Fortune" fan film.


Both are about as interesting
 
2013-09-21 10:27:03 AM

TuteTibiImperes: strangeluck: I'm surprised Hollywood hasn't actually made a movie and completely trashed it like they did with Lord Of the Rings. Yes, the fanboys may flame me, but I didn't like the LOTR movies. So there.

The fan-flick wasn't pretty decent.

It does seem like it would be ripe for an adaptation.  The problem with taking huge novels and trying to adapt them for film though is that you end up losing so much from the book just for time constraints.  Game of Thrones devoted ten hours each to the first two ASoIaF books and still left out huge chunks.  I suppose it's unrealistic to include everything, however.

That's one reason that if I hear something is going to be adapted for film or television I avoid reading the book (if I haven't already) until after I've seen the screen adaptation.  Going from the movie or TV show to the book works well - the books can fill in the blanks and further enrich the world.  Doing the opposite sucks, there's always a key scene you loved that gets left out, and when reading it first you develop strong ideas of how the characters look and sound, so there's inevitably a casting choice that leaves you cold.


If there's any series that could use a great deal of trimming in the adaptation, it's WOT. So the adaption is unlikely to be nearly as problematic as others might be.

This fan film seems to have made up an enormous amount of its content, however, to the point where it's more like fan fiction. We get upset when studios do it; I'm not sure why we should like a cheesy fan film that does so.
 
2013-09-21 10:27:31 AM

gnosis301: Uh oh, I just started book 1.


No Spoilers: Read books 1-4. Skim book 5 for characters you like. Read wikipedia summaries for 6-10 and read 11-14. You'll save months of time and not miss out on anything but being annoyed the plot doesn't go anywhere.

Hell, or just put down the series and pick up Malazan Book of the Fallen instead.
 
2013-09-21 10:29:45 AM

rumpelstiltskin: rumpelstiltskin: TuteTibiImperes: The problem with taking huge novels and trying to adapt them for film though is that you end up losing so much from the book just for time constraints.

With WoT, that sounds like an opportunity for improvement. After a while, I was like, OK, I want to see how this thing ends, but if I hear one more throw away word about small clothes, I'm going to kill someone.

I guess I should modify that comment. A lot of people complained about Nynaeve tugging her braid, but I always thought that meant she was rubbing her clit so I never got tired of it. Maybe the rest of the books are like that and I just didn't get it.


... if I was ever to read those books again, Nynaeve being a total slut in extreme denial might make it worth slogging through books 5-10...

re:WoT and Hollywood

I don't expect there to be a major Hollywood or even Television adaptation of the books. They're too long, too convoluted and to divisive among the fan base to have the sort of guaranteed audience that they would require. Too many fans are like me - I stopped reading after book 7 or so, deciding to wait until the series was done before picking it back up again. (coincidentally I've done the same thing with Song of Fire and Ice.) If they were to make a TV series about it, I might consider doing the same thing - wait until it's done before committing my time, effort and money into watching it. And really, there's no guarantee that I would watch it anyway. If the audience that Hollywood is looking at is anything close to me, then they're going to stay away from this toxic property until there's a new generation of fans who don't have the same hang up over the series that I do.

/Could use Brandon Sanderson going through the entire series and paring it down to about 6 books, if someone is actually serious about making it into a viable TV or Movie property.
 
2013-09-21 10:36:30 AM

gnosis301: Uh oh, I just started book 1.


Now that all the books are out, it's not so bad. There are a lot of books in the series that just didn't need to be written as a "main" book - if they had the "Wheel of Time" as a series, with spin offs of "Egwene and the Tower of Pwoer (That Is How The Brown Ajah Spelled It 1500 Years Ago Ergo That Is How You Will Spell It Or Suffer The Consequences)", "Elaine's Adventures in Babysitting (aka: Elaine and the Golden Lion Throne) ", and "Perrin and Mat's Merry Adventures In Accidental Marriage", the series could be so very much better.
 
2013-09-21 10:45:54 AM
WoT makes ASOIAF look like a novella. No way does it ever get a big screen adaptation.
 
2013-09-21 12:02:21 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: Part of the length for the WoT books was the massive amount of visual description provided.


No more than other books.  The massive length was due to many of the characters redundantly playing "he loves me, he loves be not" or similar self reflections with really big flowers.

Carth: WoT will only work in video form as an anime series. Nothing else will be able to capture the annoying quality of the female characters, the book long side plots that go nowhere and fact the characters don't seem to grow up at all in 15 books.


This, for the most part.

Mat was the one character that was allowed to not grow up, in my opinion.

Perrin and Rand did.  Some of the females such as Nyneave, Morraine, Siuan and Cadsuane all bowed down to more reasonable levels at times.(pardon spellings if they're wrong), but still reverted to the Mocking Aunt(if it's not a trope, these books created it) out of habit, but it was different, more of a good nature to it.

Still took too many books to do so though.  The late author had issues with change and growth, kept revisiting the same exchanges between people as well as self reflections.  He wrote, seemingly, to write, with little intent to progress a story, and when that did happen it was sudden.  Reminds me a lot of Stephen King(once you get past the constant inner obstinancy to change), in that it's a decent story with unique characters, but he has an issue with resolution and will just blurt out an random ending(to each story arc in this case).

Like the most boring sex you've had(which is sort-of good because it's still sex after all), followed by climax which barely raises your pulse.

baufan2005: I tapped out at book 5.  No way you could turn that series into films without having 15 sequels.


You could do it in considerably less if you smartly filtered out the insane amount of things I mention above.  You could also eliminate the politics and stupidity of the villains and just have Rand fight them with minimal back story, or have them done in a different medium, like Matrix did with Animatrix(Or the Riddick franchise).  Lanfear's story a bit, Morridin's, a couple of the more core players.

Then again...
The concept, however, of time being a wheel, really would make it difficult.  It all happened before, and the books hint at what did happen, or talk about it as if the reader should just know....but it was never discussed in any great detail.  Much of it seemed a lot like Lost, in that it was designed weird to seem deep, but there was no real cleverness to it at all.  Comes off as cheap.  Writer imagines a cool scene, but doesn't really work it into the story very well, it always maintains that foreign feel.  "wouldn't it be cool if x did this"  is not a good story unless it's all woven together well.

Like a patchwork blanket, some cool individual materials, but when viewed as a whole it's a mangy and eclectic gathering of scraps.  When you cover up with it you have to fold it in certain ways just so you don't have the burlap parts on your skin or the loose threads wrapped around your toes.

I only complain because the books did have some gems that made for a good story, the material had some real excellent potential, but so much of it was dashed against the rocks and came out worse for wear.
 
2013-09-21 12:32:45 PM

omeganuepsilon: You could do it in considerably less if you smartly filtered out the insane amount of things I mention above.  You could also eliminate the politics and stupidity of the villains and just have Rand fight them with minimal back story, or have them done in a different medium, like Matrix did with Animatrix(Or the Riddick franchise).  Lanfear's story a bit, Morridin's, a couple of the more core players.


That's not a bad idea. As much as I'm not a fan of Zach Snyder's 'Watchmen', I do like the fact that he did the 'Tales of the Black Frigate' bits as an animated film that was DVD only. So, for each film there could be an animated feature included as an extra on the DVD/BR release that tells one of the more salient plots that had to be cut or glossed over in the theatrical release.
 
2013-09-21 12:35:12 PM
What is unfortunate about the possibility of a Wheel of Time film adaptation is the enormity of the story despite there being several amazing scenes for cinema such as the siege of the Stone by the Shadow and channeling by Rand, the capture and transport and eventual freedom of Rand, the balefire of a tower and chosen, unbuffered use of Callandor, several of the Gholam or Bloodknife battles, and far more.
 
2013-09-21 12:43:19 PM

baufan2005: I tapped out at book 5.  No way you could turn that series into films without having 15 sequels.


That's about where I tapped out. Great story, but man, it's long and you need to take notes while you're reading it, otherwise you get the "Who the **** is this all of a sudden?" effect.
 
2013-09-21 01:40:11 PM

Vangor: What is unfortunate about the possibility of a Wheel of Time film adaptation is the enormity of the story despite there being several amazing scenes for cinema such as the siege of the Stone by the Shadow and channeling by Rand, the capture and transport and eventual freedom of Rand, the balefire of a tower and chosen, unbuffered use of Callandor, several of the Gholam or Bloodknife battles, and far more.


And open with the creation of Dragonmount of course.
 
2013-09-21 02:44:09 PM
I'm a big fan of the series, I picked it up when I went to Iraq, mainly for the sheer volume of reading material it entailed. I fell for the world building, bad decisions and general foolish teenager feel of the main characters. I liked the conflict and lack of resolution between characters. I found myself so frustrated by the way people didn't just get together talk things out and streamline their problems the way good guys do in every other book. Then after a while I just sat back and thought about it, how many times in my own life had I felt like things would just be so much easier if people thought the way that I did about an issue? How often had even my best friends and I been unable to solve problems because we couldn't find common ground? The books are good because the conflicts are real.

For the plot developments, of course they seem stagnant until something suddenly happens. That is once again the way of it, only small changes are made over time, the way Moiraine deals with Rand for instance. While the large changes happen through catalyst. People don't think of their own character growth as a slow steady incline to becoming a better person, they think of the "defining moments" of their past or the time that they had to "grow up" because of some event or another. I find that the books capture life really well, In all of it's aspects, just on the level of high fantasy.

The series is long, and sometimes hard to read, feeling almost as if you are slogging through rather than sharing a grand adventure with the characters, but it is well worth the read. If you fell that reading it is too much the audio books are fantastic, Michael Kramer and Kate Redding are just great and they really do add some depth to the story rather than just monotoning it like some other readers do.
 
2013-09-21 03:01:55 PM
Techhell:

/Could use Brandon Sanderson going through the entire series and paring it down to about 6 books, if someone is actually serious about making it into a viable TV or Movie property.

No, No, No.

You let Sanderson get back to his own work and finish books 2 - 10 of The Way of Kings.
 
2013-09-21 03:34:09 PM

omeganuepsilon: DeathByGeekSquad: Part of the length for the WoT books was the massive amount of visual description provided.

No more than other books.  The massive length was due to many of the characters redundantly playing "he loves me, he loves be not" or similar self reflections with really big flowers.

Carth: WoT will only work in video form as an anime series. Nothing else will be able to capture the annoying quality of the female characters, the book long side plots that go nowhere and fact the characters don't seem to grow up at all in 15 books.

This, for the most part.

Mat was the one character that was allowed to not grow up, in my opinion.

Perrin and Rand did.  Some of the females such as Nyneave, Morraine, Siuan and Cadsuane all bowed down to more reasonable levels at times.(pardon spellings if they're wrong), but still reverted to the Mocking Aunt(if it's not a trope, these books created it) out of habit, but it was different, more of a good nature to it.

Still took too many books to do so though.  The late author had issues with change and growth, kept revisiting the same exchanges between people as well as self reflections.  He wrote, seemingly, to write, with little intent to progress a story, and when that did happen it was sudden.  Reminds me a lot of Stephen King(once you get past the constant inner obstinancy to change), in that it's a decent story with unique characters, but he has an issue with resolution and will just blurt out an random ending(to each story arc in this case).

Like the most boring sex you've had(which is sort-of good because it's still sex after all), followed by climax which barely raises your pulse.

baufan2005: I tapped out at book 5.  No way you could turn that series into films without having 15 sequels.

You could do it in considerably less if you smartly filtered out the insane amount of things I mention above.  You could also eliminate the politics and stupidity of the villains and just have Rand fight them with minimal back s ...


Quite a bit more than most fantasy books, it's actually one of the things that Jordan was known for...

-

RE: Mat, I'd counter that Mat definitely grew up, and that many characters in the books underestimated him by viewing him as someone who hadn't grown up.

Given your other 'insights', I'll preemptively toss you in with the rest of the folks who believe themselves to be outstanding literary critics.
 
2013-09-21 03:59:57 PM
2 hours of this?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-21 04:28:50 PM

strangeluck: Yes, the fanboys may flame me, but I didn't like the LOTR movies. So there.


You didn't like them because you didn't see the Rankin Bass "lets' make a Xmas special out of the" Hobbit, or the Ralph Bakshi "Let's do such a bad job we'll only film half of it" Lord of the Rings...
 
2013-09-21 04:34:26 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: Part of the length for the WoT books was the massive amount of visual description provided.


Of course, it didn't help that after the third book, they just started repeating themselves...and people kept buying them, so Jordan kept writing them.  Why bring anything to a conclusion when you have a meal ticket.
// I don't blame Jordan.  Sci-Fi/Fantasy is not a lucrative market for the average author, so when you get a hit, milk it until it runs dry.  See Christopher Tolkien
 
2013-09-21 04:51:38 PM

TheotherMIguy: No, No, No.

You let Sanderson get back to his own work and finish books 2 - 10 of The Way of Kings.


The Way of Kings is basically Robert Jordan perfected. It ditches the farm boy, provides a compelling villain with rational motivations, and still has all those great set piece heroics that you want in the genre. I've recently been binging on Sanderson's writing podcasts, where I learned he's a Mormon, which came as somewhat of a shock to me because he's one of the few writers I can recall putting atheists into his fantasy worlds. Although in retrospect, his general theme of characters becoming gods and ruling their own planets makes a lot more sense now.
 
Skr
2013-09-21 06:37:36 PM

Tax Boy: 2 hours of this?

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2013-09-21 06:57:09 PM

Skr: Tax Boy: 2 hours of this?

[i.imgur.com image 850x566]

tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid tugs her braid


Be fair, there's some tongue clucking in there.
 
2013-09-21 06:57:50 PM

maddogdelta: strangeluck: Yes, the fanboys may flame me, but I didn't like the LOTR movies. So there.

You didn't like them because you didn't see the Rankin Bass "lets' make a Xmas special out of the" Hobbit, or the Ralph Bakshi "Let's do such a bad job we'll only film half of it" Lord of the Rings...


Easy now; I worked at Fantasy Studios when PDQ-LOTR was released: everybody was too coked-up to notice what a POS that production was until a month after the release parties. Just ask JD Buell.

/obscure?
 
2013-09-21 06:58:01 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: TheotherMIguy: No, No, No.

You let Sanderson get back to his own work and finish books 2 - 10 of The Way of Kings.

The Way of Kings is basically Robert Jordan perfected. It ditches the farm boy, provides a compelling villain with rational motivations, and still has all those great set piece heroics that you want in the genre. I've recently been binging on Sanderson's writing podcasts, where I learned he's a Mormon, which came as somewhat of a shock to me because he's one of the few writers I can recall putting atheists into his fantasy worlds. Although in retrospect, his general theme of characters becoming gods and ruling their own planets makes a lot more sense now.


The lack of sex and toned down violence in Sanderson's work made me think he was either targeting a YA crowd or very religious. His books are fun by the come across as so quaint compared  to  other modern fantasy writers.
 
2013-09-21 06:58:15 PM
When I read the headline I was all like this:

www.timecube.com


And now I has a disappoint.
 
2013-09-21 07:08:45 PM

Carth: The lack of sex and toned down violence in Sanderson's work made me think he was either targeting a YA crowd or very religious. His books are fun by the come across as so quaint compared to other modern fantasy writers.


Given how other fantasy writers like Rothfuss or Brett tend to utterly screw up their sex scenes, I'm fine with Sanderson not really dealing with it. It's not necessary for a lot of the stories he's telling, and some clumsy sex that takes me out of the world would only hurt it. I think he fades to black on the bedroom door, but I can't point to anything in particular. Not everything needs to be gritty and real and deal with the entirety of human experience. Sometimes you just want to watch see the hero save the world in a cool way, which seems to be Sanderson's MO.
 
2013-09-21 07:55:49 PM
So, started this series up a little under a year ago (for the 2nd time). I made a massive mistake. I read the majority of the series a decade ago and picked them up to finish the story. I keep having moments where I look at my wife and say "I think the next one is going to be where I left off". Then I get a book I have read revolving around sub characters. It wont stop.
 
2013-09-21 10:08:11 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: I'd counter that Mat definitely grew up


He never wanted to do the right thing, so to speak, it was all being ta'veren breaking him.

DeathByGeekSquad: Given your other 'insights', I'll preemptively toss you in with the rest of the folks who believe themselves to be outstanding literary critics.


No, I just know what I like, and as people tend to do on Fark, was expressing my opinion of the books.  If you don't like that, you can kindly shove your head back up your ass.
 
2013-09-22 12:03:05 AM
Why do all the characters have names that sound like someone gargling marbles?
 
2013-09-22 02:53:49 AM

strangeluck: I'm surprised Hollywood hasn't actually made a movie and completely trashed it like they did with Lord Of the Rings. Yes, the fanboys may flame me, but I didn't like the LOTR movies. So there.



this. +1. 100% agree
 
2013-09-22 02:59:59 AM

omeganuepsilon: DeathByGeekSquad: I'd counter that Mat definitely grew up

He never wanted to do the right thing, so to speak, it was all being ta'veren breaking him.

DeathByGeekSquad: Given your other 'insights', I'll preemptively toss you in with the rest of the folks who believe themselves to be outstanding literary critics.

No, I just know what I like, and as people tend to do on Fark, was expressing my opinion of the books.  If you don't like that, you can kindly shove your head back up your ass.


Breaking ta'veren. Now somebody should pitch that show.
 
2013-09-22 04:39:22 AM
There are so many long loved quality fantasy sagas out there...with large established fan bases.

Hollywood has unending material for good films and series,
if it would only be aware and realize.

I think they've finally figured out how to do fantasy...they should take advantage of it.
 
2013-09-22 04:46:05 AM
NBC had the rights to the books and refuses to give them up, but they were talking a set of mini series when Jordan was still alive and it has been in development hell ever since. Until the rights run out, nothing will ever come of WoT as far as films go, and considering Comcast is now the parent company, expect to see this fan film sued into oblivion.
 
2013-09-22 05:35:13 AM

Jm Barnes: I'm a big fan of the series, I picked it up when I went to Iraq, mainly for the sheer volume of reading material it entailed. I fell for the world building, bad decisions and general foolish teenager feel of the main characters. I liked the conflict and lack of resolution between characters. I found myself so frustrated by the way people didn't just get together talk things out and streamline their problems the way good guys do in every other book. Then after a while I just sat back and thought about it, how many times in my own life had I felt like things would just be so much easier if people thought the way that I did about an issue? How often had even my best friends and I been unable to solve problems because we couldn't find common ground? The books are good because the conflicts are real.

For the plot developments, of course they seem stagnant until something suddenly happens. That is once again the way of it, only small changes are made over time, the way Moiraine deals with Rand for instance. While the large changes happen through catalyst. People don't think of their own character growth as a slow steady incline to becoming a better person, they think of the "defining moments" of their past or the time that they had to "grow up" because of some event or another. I find that the books capture life really well, In all of it's aspects, just on the level of high fantasy.

The series is long, and sometimes hard to read, feeling almost as if you are slogging through rather than sharing a grand adventure with the characters, but it is well worth the read. If you fell that reading it is too much the audio books are fantastic, Michael Kramer and Kate Redding are just great and they really do add some depth to the story rather than just monotoning it like some other readers do.


Agreed. I like the series (but yes it is easy to criticise too, book 10 just shouldn't have existed, cept the last chapter when he cleans Saidin.

I think the series would work best if it was all animated.
 
2013-09-22 07:36:52 AM

Carth: gnosis301: Uh oh, I just started book 1.

No Spoilers: Read books 1-4. Skim book 5 for characters you like. Read wikipedia summaries for 6-10 and read 11-14. You'll save months of time and not miss out on anything but being annoyed the plot doesn't go anywhere.

Hell, or just put down the series and pick up Malazan Book of the Fallen instead.


Go with Malazan Book of the Fallen.
You'll thank us later.
 
2013-09-22 01:05:26 PM
So there will be:
- 13 sequels, each of which will be 99% narration about backstory and scenery while randomly added characters twiddle their thumbs and wait for the disembodied voice to quit talking
- movie posters featuring poorly-proportioned people with big noses, unnaturally large torsos, posing in positions impossible for humans with normal joints and musculature while wearing floppy-cuffed boots and velour tunics with bubble shoulders and cutout sleeves
And the last screenplay will be written by someone who had a vaguely peripheral association with the person who wrote the other screenplays, but will feel justified because he has access to a ton of notes and was banging the director's wife during post-production?

[shutupandtakemymoney.jpg]
 
2013-09-22 01:08:46 PM

omeganuepsilon: DeathByGeekSquad: I'd counter that Mat definitely grew up

He never wanted to do the right thing, so to speak, it was all being ta'veren breaking him.

DeathByGeekSquad: Given your other 'insights', I'll preemptively toss you in with the rest of the folks who believe themselves to be outstanding literary critics.

No, I just know what I like, and as people tend to do on Fark, was expressing my opinion of the books.  If you don't like that, you can kindly shove your head back up your ass.


I'll kindly wait for you to learn the difference between stating opinions and attempting to pass off opinions as factual statements before I shove my head anywhere.
 
2013-09-22 01:14:49 PM

Langdon_777: Jm Barnes: I'm a big fan of the series, I picked it up when I went to Iraq, mainly for the sheer volume of reading material it entailed. I fell for the world building, bad decisions and general foolish teenager feel of the main characters. I liked the conflict and lack of resolution between characters. I found myself so frustrated by the way people didn't just get together talk things out and streamline their problems the way good guys do in every other book. Then after a while I just sat back and thought about it, how many times in my own life had I felt like things would just be so much easier if people thought the way that I did about an issue? How often had even my best friends and I been unable to solve problems because we couldn't find common ground? The books are good because the conflicts are real.

For the plot developments, of course they seem stagnant until something suddenly happens. That is once again the way of it, only small changes are made over time, the way Moiraine deals with Rand for instance. While the large changes happen through catalyst. People don't think of their own character growth as a slow steady incline to becoming a better person, they think of the "defining moments" of their past or the time that they had to "grow up" because of some event or another. I find that the books capture life really well, In all of it's aspects, just on the level of high fantasy.

The series is long, and sometimes hard to read, feeling almost as if you are slogging through rather than sharing a grand adventure with the characters, but it is well worth the read. If you fell that reading it is too much the audio books are fantastic, Michael Kramer and Kate Redding are just great and they really do add some depth to the story rather than just monotoning it like some other readers do.

Agreed. I like the series (but yes it is easy to criticise too, book 10 just shouldn't have existed, cept the last chapter when he cleans Saidin.

I think the series would work best if it was all animated.


Book 10 is when I gave up too. Nothing farking happened in that book. At the end of book 9 is when Rand cleanses saidin.

I heard that Sanderson really cleaned up his work but I really don't want to reread 10 books.

As a chick I just had to shake my head at the whole "3 different women share Rand and aren't at each others throats" bullshiat. Cmon.

The sad thing about Wot is that its an amazing world and storyline. It just gets bogged down with subplots and details towards the end.

The HBO writers should take a hack at the story and then spin it off into an anime.
 
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