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2013-09-20 11:39:58 PM  
And it turned out exactly that way, too
 
2013-09-20 11:51:48 PM  
Still glad I bailed on it after season 1.
 
2013-09-20 11:59:17 PM  
From the writer's guide, when asked if the show is "self-contained or serialized":

Self-contained.

Seriously.

We promise.

Yes - the mysteries surrounding the island may serve an ongoing (and easy to follow) mythology - but every episode has a beginning, middle and end. More importantly, the beginning of the next episode presents an entirely new dilemna to be resolved that requires NO knowledge of the episode( s) that preceded it (except for the rare two-parter).


/Oh wait, you're serious. Let me laugh even harder.
 
2013-09-21 12:06:15 AM  
At times it was an awesome show. I enjoyed it for it what it was. Season 6 was still mostly meh, though
 
2013-09-21 12:31:12 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Still glad I bailed on it after season 1.


Season 4 is when it jumped the shark

Season 2 was the best season of them all
 
2013-09-21 12:44:49 AM  

cman: cameroncrazy1984: Still glad I bailed on it after season 1.

Season 4 is when it jumped the shark

Season 2 was the best season of them all


Season 2 was tremendous. I agree, I think it was the best. Order is:

2
4
1
3
5
6

All still good though.
 
2013-09-21 01:28:58 AM  
Worth all the crap just to see 'The Constant' episode.
 
2013-09-21 01:30:08 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: At times it was an awesome show. I enjoyed it for it what it was. Season 6 was still mostly meh, though


I like to pretend that it ended with Season 5.
 
2013-09-21 01:34:00 AM  

HighOnCraic: Peter von Nostrand: At times it was an awesome show. I enjoyed it for it what it was. Season 6 was still mostly meh, though

I like to pretend that it ended with Season 5.


I want to say that it should have ended at "we have to go back!", which is one of the all time greatest TV moments, but The Constant is the best episode they ever did and that's in season 4.
 
2013-09-21 01:36:42 AM  
After Season 1, I stopped watching because I definitely had the feeling that I was watching a BS show chase its tale.

So when the series finally ended, I asked a friend, who had all the episodes, if there was any point in my watching it.  He raved on and on about how "profound' the conclusion was, and how worthwhile it would be for me.  So I took the series and watched the whole thing mixed in my usual playlist.

After the final episode, when I could stop rolling my eyes, retching, and cussing  to myself, I gave back the DVDs and made myself a promise NEVER to ask that person's opinion about anything again....
 
2013-09-21 01:36:55 AM  

DamnYankees: HighOnCraic: Peter von Nostrand: At times it was an awesome show. I enjoyed it for it what it was. Season 6 was still mostly meh, though

I like to pretend that it ended with Season 5.

I want to say that it should have ended at "we have to go back!", which is one of the all time greatest TV moments, but The Constant is the best episode they ever did and that's in season 4.


Picture this:  in the last episode of Season 5, it turns out that they're wrong about the bomb changing everything.  It goes off, and they all die.  The End.

/It's not like they did a great job of explaining all the loose ends in Season 6.
//And in the end, they're all dead anyway.
 
2013-09-21 01:51:21 AM  
The ending to this show still cause me all types of fanboy rage. I know that's not fashionable to say, but good lord did the series finale suck ass
 
2013-09-21 01:53:11 AM  
They should have ended the series after season 3 and then had a 4 hour miniseries to wrap it up
 
2013-09-21 01:54:16 AM  
When I read about the guy who wrote the treatise for the sequel to The Land of the Lost suing for stealing his ideas, Lost made a lot more sense.
 
2013-09-21 01:57:34 AM  
It was an exercise in the retconn and mining message boards to confound fan theories. BSG, Heroes, Lost, they were all essentially in the business of continuing a "mystery" and to give fans something to try to puzzle out, when there was NO real puzzle, just a series of episodes that were linked together loosely, and with "surprises" at every turn, which then retconned what was previously thought to be. It is a style that got popular, because folks wanted to know what the Hells was going on, and it was, simply put, the most disingenuous way to script a damn show.

For me, some the best writing for a series was HBO's Rome. Linking characters wound up stealing the show, and yet, those linking characters were deep, and with solid motivations. Mechanization occurred around them, with folks with equally solid motivations, and the drama unfolded from those characters being well grounded. Not "mystery" or "suprise!" but from events unfolding to their due course. It's the show I point to when folks say that they want to write screenplays for TV. The drama was in the characters fulfilling their destiny, fulfilling their motivations, and not in some bullsh*t faux mystery that the writers hadn't even figured out.
 
2013-09-21 02:00:09 AM  
"Does it make you feel any better than the creators of Lost never had any intention of telling you what the hell was up with that random polar bear?"

Did they actually watch the show?

I barely remember it but I know where the polar bear came from.
 
2013-09-21 02:01:25 AM  

hubiestubert: BSG, Heroes, Lost, they were all essentially in the business of continuing a "mystery" and to give fans something to try to puzzle out, when there was NO real puzzle, just a series of episodes that were linked together loosely, and with "surprises" at every turn, which then retconned what was previously thought to be. It is a style that got popular, because folks wanted to know what the Hells was going on, and it was, simply put, the most disingenuous way to script a damn show.


Heh, I was thinking of BSG when I read the headline. I stopped watching Lost part way into the 2nd season, so I never saw the end. Was it better or worse than BSG's?
 
2013-09-21 02:03:24 AM  

fusillade762: hubiestubert: BSG, Heroes, Lost, they were all essentially in the business of continuing a "mystery" and to give fans something to try to puzzle out, when there was NO real puzzle, just a series of episodes that were linked together loosely, and with "surprises" at every turn, which then retconned what was previously thought to be. It is a style that got popular, because folks wanted to know what the Hells was going on, and it was, simply put, the most disingenuous way to script a damn show.

Heh, I was thinking of BSG when I read the headline. I stopped watching Lost part way into the 2nd season, so I never saw the end. Was it better or worse than BSG's?


Much worse. BSG tied up all of its major plot threads (maybe not satisfactorily to everyone watching but it did resolve them).

Lost just sort of wiped the board and gave everyone a "Nothing that you saw previously really mattered" ending.
 
2013-09-21 02:04:33 AM  
Took about 5 episodes to make it entirely clear they weren't really plotting in advance, I'm not sure why people are still acting like this is news.
 
2013-09-21 02:05:24 AM  
Congratulations!
 
2013-09-21 02:06:44 AM  

hubiestubert: It was an exercise in the retconn and mining message boards to confound fan theories. BSG, Heroes, Lost, they were all essentially in the business of continuing a "mystery" and to give fans something to try to puzzle out, when there was NO real puzzle, just a series of episodes that were linked together loosely, and with "surprises" at every turn, which then retconned what was previously thought to be. It is a style that got popular, because folks wanted to know what the Hells was going on, and it was, simply put, the most disingenuous way to script a damn show.

For me, some the best writing for a series was HBO's Rome. Linking characters wound up stealing the show, and yet, those linking characters were deep, and with solid motivations. Mechanization occurred around them, with folks with equally solid motivations, and the drama unfolded from those characters being well grounded. Not "mystery" or "suprise!" but from events unfolding to their due course. It's the show I point to when folks say that they want to write screenplays for TV. The drama was in the characters fulfilling their destiny, fulfilling their motivations, and not in some bullsh*t faux mystery that the writers hadn't even figured out.


From what I remember, the big secret was that the Island was originally supposed to represent purgatory, and then when people on fan sites started speculating that the big secret was that the Island was originally supposed to represent purgatory, the writers decided they had to come up with something different, but they never came up with an alternative that fit in with what they'd already written.

/Granted, my memories are a bit fuzzy...
 
2013-09-21 02:13:31 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Took about 5 episodes to make it entirely clear they weren't really plotting in advan
ce, I'm not sure why people are still acting like this is news.




This! It seemed like they figured it was going to be a flop and didn't write a complete season 1. When it became a ratings hit they must of been shocked and had to write it on the fly,
 
2013-09-21 02:14:44 AM  

fusillade762: hubiestubert: BSG, Heroes, Lost, they were all essentially in the business of continuing a "mystery" and to give fans something to try to puzzle out, when there was NO real puzzle, just a series of episodes that were linked together loosely, and with "surprises" at every turn, which then retconned what was previously thought to be. It is a style that got popular, because folks wanted to know what the Hells was going on, and it was, simply put, the most disingenuous way to script a damn show.

Heh, I was thinking of BSG when I read the headline. I stopped watching Lost part way into the 2nd season, so I never saw the end. Was it better or worse than BSG's?


In all honesty, I don't know. I realized that Lost was going to be a crap fest of "mystery" for the sake of mystery, and didn't watch the damn thing. Heroes, I stuck out, because the girl critter watched, but at least with that show, there were characters, even if their motivations never made any damn sense. BSG? I lost interests when the Colonials abandoned the only weapons that they had that were effective against the damn Cylons in close quarters combat, which turned out to be the grenade launchers on officer sidearms. Which NEVER surfaced again after the pilot. A fleet fights a horde or murderbots, and all their small arms are designed to kill people? Really? Nothing in their machine shops, that are good enough to keep a fleet of fighters in the air--and even turn out new designs--and they can't dig up schematics for some heavy bore weapons to fend off boarding parties, or to protect their people when they explore sites and other worlds? A fleet that can use an FTL drive with some form of electromagnetic spinning, and they can't produce an EMP weapon to shut down the murderbots? Let's not even get into the religious murderbots...
 
2013-09-21 02:18:13 AM  
Plotting shows in advance is a relatively recent phenomenon (except Babylon 5). Most serials are made up as they go. The problem with Lost is that the show runners assured fans that there was a plan when there wasn't.

Still a fun show worth watching all the way through. Even the final season had its moments.
 
2013-09-21 02:25:21 AM  

Snapper Carr:

Lost just sort of wiped the board and gave everyone a "Nothing that you saw previously really mattered" ending.

No, no it didn't.

HighOnCraic: From what I remember, the big secret was that the Island was originally supposed to represent purgatory, and then when people on fan sites started speculating that the big secret was that the Island was originally supposed to represent purgatory, the writers decided they had to come up with something different, but they never came up with an alternative that fit in with what they'd already written.

/Granted, my memories are a bit fuzzy...


Also wasn't what happened. LOST definitely had it's issues, but these were not the issues.

/it's not hard. The flash sideways of the last season was an alternate reality where Jack was using his powers after taking over the island from Jacob to bring everyone together. It might also have been a dream of Jack's as he was dying on the island. All of the flash backs, flash forwards, and everything on the island actually happened.
//Richard and Esau (?) were the bigger unanswered mysteries
///LOST gave us Desmond and Ben, two amazing characters in what was ultimately a character piece
 
2013-09-21 02:31:08 AM  
If you read the document, it's pretty clear that whatever the show was when it was pitched is not what the show was when it aired. Can't get too worked up over this.

/hated the time travel.
 
2013-09-21 02:32:06 AM  

hubiestubert: I lost interests when the Colonials abandoned the only weapons that they had that were effective against the damn Cylons in close quarters combat, which turned out to be the grenade launchers on officer sidearms. Which NEVER surfaced again after the pilot.


They used them in the second season episode "Valley of Darkness" on the Cylon boarding party.

upload.wikimedia.org

It's a modified FN Five-seven, for anyone who cares:

www.yourprops.com

But yeah, they did conspicuously disappear after that.
 
2013-09-21 02:40:01 AM  
I liked what LOST was for what it was meant to be...

It was about the journey not the destination.

/why yes I might be drunk right now
 
2013-09-21 02:44:47 AM  
in the last decade I can count on on hand he number of shows i actually cared enough about o watch the week they aired. Lost was one if those shows. Would I have preferred that it stayed the weirdo-physics scif-fi mystery rather than the mystical shiat. Sure. But it was still a wonderful ride and I completely enjoyed it. I don't know what he hell people expect from network TV. Lost was, at the very least,  a cut above memorable show with a strong cast and at times a very compelling story.
 
2013-09-21 02:49:20 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: I liked what LOST was for what it was meant to be...

It was about the journey not the destination.

/why yes I might be drunk right now


More than half of the journey sucked
 
2013-09-21 02:49:52 AM  
Banacek:
//Richard and Esau (?) were the bigger unanswered mysteries


Wasn't Richard explained? He arrived via the Black Rock and was granted long life by Jacob. I would counter that Jacob and MIB's mother is the biggest unexplained mystery on the show. A close second is Walt. Coming in third would be The Others as a whole.

This is why everyone got so pissed at LOST. Instead of using Season 6 to tie up all the loose ends, the showrunners decided to create an alternate reality that just reinforced the concept that all the characters were connected... you know, the concept that the viewers already knew was part of the show, and had since Season 1. And just to be dicks about it, they decided to throw in a bunch of new mythology right at the end (such as Jacob's mother and the "Guardian of the Island") instead of using that time spent in the original LOST reality to explain anything. Like Walt, for example. All I wanted to know was WTF about Walt.
 
2013-09-21 02:51:27 AM  

Banacek: Snapper Carr:

Lost just sort of wiped the board and gave everyone a "Nothing that you saw previously really mattered" ending.

No, no it didn't.

HighOnCraic: From what I remember, the big secret was that the Island was originally supposed to represent purgatory, and then when people on fan sites started speculating that the big secret was that the Island was originally supposed to represent purgatory, the writers decided they had to come up with something different, but they never came up with an alternative that fit in with what they'd already written.

/Granted, my memories are a bit fuzzy...

Also wasn't what happened. LOST definitely had it's issues, but these were not the issues.

/it's not hard. The flash sideways of the last season was an alternate reality where Jack was using his powers after taking over the island from Jacob to bring everyone together. It might also have been a dream of Jack's as he was dying on the island. All of the flash backs, flash forwards, and everything on the island actually happened.
//Richard and Esau (?) were the bigger unanswered mysteries
///LOST gave us Desmond and Ben, two amazing characters in what was ultimately a character piece


As I said, my memories of the various fan sites are fuzzy.  And you're right, it was more enjoyable as a character piece, regardless of what was going on with the crazy plot.
 
2013-09-21 03:00:36 AM  

HighOnCraic: hubiestubert: It was an exercise in the retconn and mining message boards to confound fan theories. BSG, Heroes, Lost, they were all essentially in the business of continuing a "mystery" and to give fans something to try to puzzle out, when there was NO real puzzle, just a series of episodes that were linked together loosely, and with "surprises" at every turn, which then retconned what was previously thought to be. It is a style that got popular, because folks wanted to know what the Hells was going on, and it was, simply put, the most disingenuous way to script a damn show.

For me, some the best writing for a series was HBO's Rome. Linking characters wound up stealing the show, and yet, those linking characters were deep, and with solid motivations. Mechanization occurred around them, with folks with equally solid motivations, and the drama unfolded from those characters being well grounded. Not "mystery" or "suprise!" but from events unfolding to their due course. It's the show I point to when folks say that they want to write screenplays for TV. The drama was in the characters fulfilling their destiny, fulfilling their motivations, and not in some bullsh*t faux mystery that the writers hadn't even figured out.

From what I remember, the big secret was that the Island was originally supposed to represent purgatory, and then when people on fan sites started speculating that the big secret was that the Island was originally supposed to represent purgatory, the writers decided they had to come up with something different, but they never came up with an alternative that fit in with what they'd already written.

/Granted, my memories are a bit fuzzy...



In the end, the fans were right as it was purgatory.  The events on The Island all manifested in that spiritual limbo while they hashed out their lives in attempt at redemption.  They all died in the plane crash.  I don't care what the writer's argue, to me it's the most plausible and everything else was filler.
 
2013-09-21 03:04:20 AM  

you are a puppet: Representative of the unwashed masses: I liked what LOST was for what it was meant to be...

It was about the journey not the destination.

/why yes I might be drunk right now

More than half of the journey sucked


Isn't that always the way of things though? I mean, my drive out to Seattle and back 'was awesome', except for that huge long part that went through NE Wyoming, most of South Dakota, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio.

I enjoyed Lost but only because I waited to watch the second half, and some of the loose ends still bother me to this day. Plus Kate needed to die in season two. I'm just happy Abrams learned from his mistakes with Lost and Alias in time to make Fringe...
 
2013-09-21 03:04:32 AM  

Uncle Pooky: Banacek:
//Richard and Esau (?) were the bigger unanswered mysteries


Wasn't Richard explained? He arrived via the Black Rock and was granted long life by Jacob. I would counter that Jacob and MIB's mother is the biggest unexplained mystery on the show. A close second is Walt. Coming in third would be The Others as a whole.

This is why everyone got so pissed at LOST. Instead of using Season 6 to tie up all the loose ends, the showrunners decided to create an alternate reality that just reinforced the concept that all the characters were connected... you know, the concept that the viewers already knew was part of the show, and had since Season 1. And just to be dicks about it, they decided to throw in a bunch of new mythology right at the end (such as Jacob's mother and the "Guardian of the Island") instead of using that time spent in the original LOST reality to explain anything. Like Walt, for example. All I wanted to know was WTF about Walt.


I'll totally give you that, especially once they found the hidden temple in season six on the island. None of that made sense what so ever. I found enjoyment in LOST. I am completely done with Lindelof, since he loves to blame others but everything he touches turns into a jumbled mess.
 
2013-09-21 03:06:18 AM  
SithLord:
In the end, the fans were right as it was purgatory.  The events on The Island all manifested in that spiritual limbo while they hashed out their lives in attempt at redemption.  They all died in the plane crash.  I don't care what the writer's argue, to me it's the most plausible and everything else was ...

Nope. Again, dislike what they did, but that was not the story they told.
 
2013-09-21 03:08:41 AM  

SithLord: HighOnCraic: hubiestubert: It was an exercise in the retconn and mining message boards to confound fan theories. BSG, Heroes, Lost, they were all essentially in the business of continuing a "mystery" and to give fans something to try to puzzle out, when there was NO real puzzle, just a series of episodes that were linked together loosely, and with "surprises" at every turn, which then retconned what was previously thought to be. It is a style that got popular, because folks wanted to know what the Hells was going on, and it was, simply put, the most disingenuous way to script a damn show.

For me, some the best writing for a series was HBO's Rome. Linking characters wound up stealing the show, and yet, those linking characters were deep, and with solid motivations. Mechanization occurred around them, with folks with equally solid motivations, and the drama unfolded from those characters being well grounded. Not "mystery" or "suprise!" but from events unfolding to their due course. It's the show I point to when folks say that they want to write screenplays for TV. The drama was in the characters fulfilling their destiny, fulfilling their motivations, and not in some bullsh*t faux mystery that the writers hadn't even figured out.

From what I remember, the big secret was that the Island was originally supposed to represent purgatory, and then when people on fan sites started speculating that the big secret was that the Island was originally supposed to represent purgatory, the writers decided they had to come up with something different, but they never came up with an alternative that fit in with what they'd already written.

/Granted, my memories are a bit fuzzy...


In the end, the fans were right as it was purgatory.  The events on The Island all manifested in that spiritual limbo while they hashed out their lives in attempt at redemption.  They all died in the plane crash.  I don't care what the writer's argue, to me it's the most plausible and everything else was ...


But what about the people who left the Island (temporarily, like Michael, Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Sayid, and Ben, or permanently, like Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalt and Locke)?
 
2013-09-21 03:17:49 AM  
I loved LOST from beginning to end. Not so much all that 'Waaaaaalllllllltttt' stuff, but I got through that. I wholeheartedly agree 'The Constant' was the best episode. I was dehydrated for a week after.

/so much sad
 
2013-09-21 03:19:27 AM  
I think the Lost ending makes people so angry because they hinted at a story that was much better than what we go. The ending of season 5 set up a possible alternate timeline that was better for some and worse for others, and was seemingly leading to a choice having to be made over which timeline should become real to resolve the paradox, and it appeared that Desmond was going to be faced with a choice of possibly losing Penny again if the "happy" timeline stuck where they didn't crash. It had the makings of a really great conflict, and with the time travel aspect they could have given a great explanation of the Black Smoke as some nanotechnology picked up when the island jumped forwards in to the future at some point. All the pieces were there for a great ending if they wrapped everything up properly, but then they brought in some afterlife fantasy rubbish at the last minute and totally ignored all of the better possible endings.

Contrast this with Fringe, which actually did a really good job of pulling everything together toward the end and paying off a lot of previous plot threads. The weird flying porcupines in a new universe plot of the second half of season 4 aside, the show gave us a very satisfying conclusion that made a decent amount of sense.
 
2013-09-21 04:06:44 AM  
Are there really people so mentally challenged that watch Lost they really don't know where the Polar Bears came from?
 
2013-09-21 04:08:40 AM  
We all know Lost had a flawed ending.  The story meandered and then plugged things in to fix holes until they wrapped things up in a ham-fisted manner.  I get that, and understand they bit off a little more than they could chew and botched the payoff to all the seasons.  However, I accept that approach may occur when you are trying to do something grand or different on TV and I enjoyed the ride, even if it was frustrating at various points and the end.  I accept that so we get shows like Lost, or BSG, or Fringe, or others that are different from the standard medical dramas/sitcoms/police procedurals.  I want to reward risk even if it is flawed because otherwise we lose sources of good entertainment.

We should want good TV.  We have more options than ever, but it is still enjoyable to put in some time with a concept that ultimately may fail at the end.  At least you had the enjoyment while it lasts.
 
2013-09-21 04:35:46 AM  

ladyfortuna: I'm just happy Abrams learned from his mistakes with Lost and Alias in time to make Fringe...


The last season and a half of Fringe was so horrifically bad even Anna Torv couldn't save it.
 
2013-09-21 04:44:25 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Plotting shows in advance is a relatively recent phenomenon (except Babylon 5). Most serials are made up as they go. The problem with Lost is that the show runners assured fans that there was a plan when there wasn't.

Still a fun show worth watching all the way through. Even the final season had its moments.


Ah, Babylon 5 ― the way a serialized show should be. Pre-planned beginning, middle, and ending of the entire series, before the pilot is even filmed, let alone aired. Some things may have to change (e.g. key actors leaving), but have an overall plot.

A more recent awesome example, ostensibly for children: Avatar: The Last Airbender. I call it the Babylon 5 of animation. In both cases, while there were sequels, the main stories of the main series were over when the series ended, and that was planned from the get-go.
 
2013-09-21 04:57:58 AM  
ladyfortuna:  I'm just happy Abrams learned from his mistakes with Lost and Alias in time to make Fringe...

Abrams wasn't involved in the creative direction of "Fringe" past season 1, IIRC.  YMMV on if that factors into "Fringe" sticking the landing and "Lost"/"Alias" not.
 
2013-09-21 05:17:31 AM  
Not surprising. I remember reading an article in one of those entertainment magazines such as People or Variety where the show's creators said that they'd churn out episodes until they were made to stop.

Lost (among other shows) is a great example of why companies and writers/creators need to write a limit to how many seasons they drag a show out for. Lost would've been a lot better if they'd condensed it down to maybe about 3-4 seasons as opposed to 6. I'd even say the same for BSG, as that sort of sagged under its weight for a while. It's pretty rare that any show has enough entertainment value or story to really merit having more than a handful of seasons at best.
 
2013-09-21 06:18:49 AM  
I still love Lost. It was a wonderful, fantastic ride. The finale was satisfying, considering all the roadblocks.

The writer's strike is responsible for a lot of the blame. Thanks a lot, assholes. Those farkers affected a good deal of great shows.

/also yeah, The Constant was farking amazing
 
2013-09-21 06:36:00 AM  
Lost could have been one of the best shows of all time but they went scatter shot and full retard towards the end.
 
2013-09-21 07:11:57 AM  
Haw-haw.
They were dead.
That's the hook at the end, they died in the crash.
 
2013-09-21 07:40:06 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Haw-haw.
They were dead.
That's the hook at the end, they died in the crash.


They didn't die in the crash. The final scene was after they had lived their lives and died back in the real world their souls met up to continue the journey to the afterlife together.
 
2013-09-21 07:41:10 AM  

fusillade762: hubiestubert: I lost interests when the Colonials abandoned the only weapons that they had that were effective against the damn Cylons in close quarters combat, which turned out to be the grenade launchers on officer sidearms. Which NEVER surfaced again after the pilot.

They used them in the second season episode "Valley of Darkness" on the Cylon boarding party.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x478]

It's a modified FN Five-seven, for anyone who cares:

[www.yourprops.com image 432x278]

But yeah, they did conspicuously disappear after that.


But directly fighting Centurions never happened much after that.   New Caprica was occupied, and the guns were on the ships anyhow.  After New Caprica the Cylons broke into factions and the group that controlled the Centurions loosely allied themselves with the humans.

Looking back on the series, there was surprisingly little close quarters combat with the Cylons at all.

/nerd!
 
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