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2013-09-20 08:50:30 PM
Everyone involved in that show ticks a couple notches toward the "loser" side.

Bill's still a good guy and I doubt it had any effect on anything whatsoever.
 
2013-09-20 09:28:46 PM
Can't be worse than Nancy Grace's nipple.

NANCY GRACE'S NIPPLE
There, it's Friday night and I sure as hell ain't getting laid. Gonna salt the earth for the rest of you who need to be able to get it up tonight.
 
2013-09-20 09:32:37 PM
I watched the video on YouTube, and it was just really bad. He seemed like the creepy old guy at the club. He's still a cool guy, but the performance just made me feel sad for everyone involved.
 
2013-09-20 09:33:45 PM
If Bill Nye gettin' jiggy wit it can somehow harm science's name, it wasn't that strong of a name to begin with...

/SCIENCE!!!
 
2013-09-20 09:34:19 PM
And Big Bang Theory is causing young girls to avoid science.  Whatever dude.
 
2013-09-20 09:35:39 PM
Well, in all fairness, Dancing With The Stars reinforces the stereotype that reality shows are mindless trash suited for people with extremely low intelligence.
 
2013-09-20 09:37:48 PM
More than a little creepy. Yikes
 
2013-09-20 09:43:26 PM
Where's mohawk guy from NASA when we need him?
 
2013-09-20 09:43:47 PM
I'll bet NdGT can dance like a mofo
 
2013-09-20 09:47:37 PM
Bill Nye's appearance on 'Dancing With The Stars' is bad for science since it reinforces stereotypes of scientists as old geeky white men

FTFY

Dumbest show on TV. No wonder it's number one.

/tunes to Love Boat reruns
 
2013-09-20 09:49:53 PM
So?
 
2013-09-20 09:59:40 PM
Like oh my god, you're too, like, science-y. You totally should change your image to impress me. Can't you be, like, a black woman with pink hair and tattoos or something? You're the science guy, figure it out.
 
2013-09-20 10:01:26 PM
... who dance with Tyne Stecklein.
 
2013-09-20 10:15:52 PM
Remember when he saved the Kingdome from blowing up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6-SJLlneLc
 
2013-09-20 10:16:15 PM
img.fark.net

/Shamelessly stolen from a dozen threads down
 
2013-09-20 10:25:41 PM
He was bad.

However, I doubt anyone will claim harm to other fields of endeavor after additional contestants are booted so lighten up Francis.
 
2013-09-20 10:25:55 PM

Atomic Spunk: Well, in all fairness, Dancing With The Stars reinforces the stereotype that reality shows are mindless trash suited for people with extremely low intelligence.


Says a person who has never watched the show.  It's mostly farkin' dancing, man!  WTF?!  It not "Real Housewives" or anything.  It barely even has a "reality" element.
 
2013-09-20 10:30:30 PM
My husband is a geeky white engineer...and he can't dance, either.  He can't even count a beat.

So I see no problem with this.
 
2013-09-20 10:39:24 PM
FTFA: "Scientists and engineering is still dominated by white males."

Lol. This article was absurd.
Met BN, was surprised that he was a bit stuck up. But that was 8 years ago. Not a real scientist dr.
 
2013-09-20 10:51:46 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-09-20 11:00:52 PM
Bill Nye isn't a scientist anymore, iirc, isn't he a career educator at this point?

Plus, the labcoat/body on the table thing is pretty much a movie reference, not actually anything to do with science either, and I'm pretty sure even the target audience (morons) understands that mostly.
 
2013-09-20 11:03:59 PM
Bill Nye's appearance on 'Dancing With The Stars' is bad for white people since it reinforces stereotypes of white people not being able to dance

Let's try an article about that once.
 
2013-09-20 11:09:54 PM

MightyPez: Bill Nye's appearance on 'Dancing With The Stars' is bad for white people since it reinforces stereotypes of white people not being able to dance

Let's try an article about that once.


Pft no one will care. It's only bad when something reinforces negative stereotypes about non-white people.
 
2013-09-20 11:10:36 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Bill Nye's appearance on 'Dancing With The Stars' is bad for white people since it reinforces stereotypes of white people not being able to dance

Let's try an article about that once.

Pft no one will care. It's only bad when something reinforces negative stereotypes about non-white people.


No, I'm pretty sure it's bad all around
 
2013-09-20 11:13:06 PM
Based on their Stargate Atlantis appearance, I would pay real money to watch a reality show where he and Neil just go to college bars at closing time and try to pick up as many drunk chicks as possible.
Get on it Discovery Channel.
 
2013-09-20 11:17:32 PM

MightyPez: Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Bill Nye's appearance on 'Dancing With The Stars' is bad for white people since it reinforces stereotypes of white people not being able to dance

Let's try an article about that once.

Pft no one will care. It's only bad when something reinforces negative stereotypes about non-white people.

No, I'm pretty sure it's bad all around


thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2013-09-20 11:18:16 PM

Flappyhead: And Big Bang Theory is causing young girls to avoid science.  Whatever dude.


Because it's preachy.
 
2013-09-20 11:21:52 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Bill Nye's appearance on 'Dancing With The Stars' is bad for white people since it reinforces stereotypes of white people not being able to dance

Let's try an article about that once.

Pft no one will care. It's only bad when something reinforces negative stereotypes about non-white people.

No, I'm pretty sure it's bad all around

thatsthejoke.jpg


That was a joke?
 
2013-09-20 11:26:03 PM

MightyPez: Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Bill Nye's appearance on 'Dancing With The Stars' is bad for white people since it reinforces stereotypes of white people not being able to dance

Let's try an article about that once.

Pft no one will care. It's only bad when something reinforces negative stereotypes about non-white people.

No, I'm pretty sure it's bad all around

thatsthejoke.jpg

That was a joke?


Reinforcing negative stereotypes is bad all around. Me saying that no one will care about reinforcing negative stereotypes about whitey and that it's ok to do was supposed to be a joke. It could be that it seemed funnier to me because I've been drinking, or you don't understand sarcasm or satire or a combination of both.
 
2013-09-20 11:34:27 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Bill Nye's appearance on 'Dancing With The Stars' is bad for white people since it reinforces stereotypes of white people not being able to dance

Let's try an article about that once.

Pft no one will care. It's only bad when something reinforces negative stereotypes about non-white people.

No, I'm pretty sure it's bad all around

thatsthejoke.jpg

That was a joke?

Reinforcing negative stereotypes is bad all around. Me saying that no one will care about reinforcing negative stereotypes about whitey and that it's ok to do was supposed to be a joke. It could be that it seemed funnier to me because I've been drinking, or you don't understand sarcasm or satire or a combination of both.


Or just maybe it wasn't structured with humor? It came off more like "Racism is bullshiat because society says it's ok to make fun of white people" which is usually the rallying cry of racists. Not saying you are, but it's a common argument made by that side.
 
2013-09-20 11:53:17 PM

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Can't be worse than Nancy Grace's nipple.

NANCY GRACE'S NIPPLEThere, it's Friday night and I sure as hell ain't getting laid. Gonna salt the earth for the rest of you who need to be able to get it up tonight.


TITMOM!
 
2013-09-20 11:54:16 PM
Dear Author STFU or get Sunita Williams.

I would be up for Joanna Rutkowska showing up on there.  How about Melissa Meyer?
 
2013-09-20 11:54:49 PM

MightyPez: Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Dingleberry Dickwad: MightyPez: Bill Nye's appearance on 'Dancing With The Stars' is bad for white people since it reinforces stereotypes of white people not being able to dance

Let's try an article about that once.

Pft no one will care. It's only bad when something reinforces negative stereotypes about non-white people.

No, I'm pretty sure it's bad all around

thatsthejoke.jpg

That was a joke?

Reinforcing negative stereotypes is bad all around. Me saying that no one will care about reinforcing negative stereotypes about whitey and that it's ok to do was supposed to be a joke. It could be that it seemed funnier to me because I've been drinking, or you don't understand sarcasm or satire or a combination of both.

Or just maybe it wasn't structured with humor? It came off more like "Racism is bullshiat because society says it's ok to make fun of white people" which is usually the rallying cry of racists. Not saying you are, but it's a common argument made by that side.


Nah, I'm an equal opportunity offender. Every race has it's own negative and some positive stereo types, and they're all pretty stupid, but they can all be funny if portrayed right (yes the ones against whitey too). I just find it funny that as a nation, no one gives a shiat if we make fun of whitey. Well except for white racists I suppose. I don't know if it comes from feeling guilty as a culture for all the stupid shiat we've done to various races over the years or what, but it's mostly considered A-OK to pick on whitey. I've always felt that we can't have it both ways. It's either ok to joke about stereotypes or it's not. None of this "It's ok if it's about white people" stuff or "It's ok for him to crack jokes about black/white/Asian/etc people because he's black/white/Asian/etc." Everybody should be able to not take themselves so seriously and laugh at jokes at their expense here and there. Everybody should be cracking on everybody as long as it's not done maliciously and it's done all in good fun.

/no clue if I'm making sense here
//rambling just a bit.
 
2013-09-21 12:24:13 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Pft no one will care. It's only bad when something reinforces negative stereotypes about non-white people.


Bless your heart.
 
2013-09-21 12:34:16 AM

Without Fail: Dingleberry Dickwad: Pft no one will care. It's only bad when something reinforces negative stereotypes about non-white people.

Bless your heart.


And bless yours too since it's obvious you didn't read any of the other posts after that particular one.

/not fluent in southerner, but I know a fair bit.
 
2013-09-21 01:27:31 AM
Where are the pictures of Feinman playing the bongos! I demand them!
 
2013-09-21 02:12:15 AM
 i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-21 03:23:08 AM

Mad_Radhu: I watched the video on YouTube, and it was just really bad. He seemed like the creepy old guy at the club. He's still a cool guy, but the performance just made me feel sad for everyone involved.


As an old creaky jazz dancer I watched with knowing insight into the train-wreck he was setup for but I give him a lot of credit for doing it.

Dancing is hard for those who are wired for analytical thinking. We think that dancing is a procedural task when it is not. It's an extension of language -- it's a physical expression of emotion via movement to express the music.

If you're a geek, it's hard to process that. It's hard to get the choreography out of your conscious brain and "just do it" as if it were singing or speaking.

His age didn't help but more so was what he brought to the table -- to many slow-twitch muscles and not enough fast-twitch which allows fine motor control and expression -- that takes time to condition. So much so that there's an old saying in ballet -- miss class for 3 days and you notice, miss for a week and everyone else notices.

To be a good dancer when your genes and DNA didn't give you natural talent take a LOT of daily work over months to keep your flexibility and conditioning so that you can perform. He did his best.

Anyway...Bill Nye is great since he actually has a patent for a pointe-shoe design which is easier on the foot.
 
2013-09-21 04:16:19 AM
There ARE scientists that don't look like geeky white men...

It's just that people don't believe you're a scientist unless you look like a geeky white man.

Just like people believe you know better because you've got tie on...a simple piece of cloth around your neck.

Let's stop judging a book by its cover.
Let's start judging people by what they DO.
 
2013-09-21 05:34:25 AM

Flappyhead: And Big Bang Theory is causing young girls to avoid science.  Whatever dude.


Which is a shame, 'cuz Melissa Rauch is far hotter than Kaley Cuoco, even behind nerd glasses.
 
2013-09-21 06:22:44 AM
Wait, are they saying being a geeky old white man is somehow bad?

Its kind of a blast.
 
2013-09-21 06:25:58 AM
Bad article.

It's true that girls and non-white, non-Asian boys need more positive role models in technical fields, but the article seemed to be pushing the same ol' story that geeky white boys have been hearing forever: that they're nerds who need to stay out of the spotlight.

Of course, this message is a big part of why geeky white boys get involved in science in the first place.  The jocks tell them that they're inferior and the girls ignore them, so they band together and learn to get really good at math and computers and D&D and Star Trek and Magic: The Gathering, and those skills transfer into technical careers.  It helps, too, that people with similar experiences end up with a sort of camaraderie.  "Hey, Clevon shoved your head in the toilet, too?  Let's start a tech company together!"
 
2013-09-21 07:23:49 AM

IlGreven: Flappyhead: And Big Bang Theory is causing young girls to avoid science.  Whatever dude.

Which is a shame, 'cuz Melissa Rauch is far hotter than Kaley Cuoco, even behind nerd glasses.


Gotta watch it muted though. That awful voice they have her do makes my ears bleed.
 
2013-09-21 09:37:06 AM
Jeez you guys are burnt. there's nothing wrong with the presentation or the dance. its just your own basement dweller projection going on. Plus your jealous he got his girl to come to life while yours is just laying there on the basement tool table.
 
2013-09-21 10:26:13 AM

Old Man Winter: Based on their Stargate Atlantis appearance, I would pay real money to watch a reality show where he and Neil just go to college bars at closing time and try to pick up as many drunk chicks as possible.
Get on it Discovery Channel.


"Freeze Lightening"? That's a terrible name.
 
2013-09-21 11:21:54 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500185_162-3572152.html

The poor guy is just not lucky with the women.
 
2013-09-21 11:45:48 AM

Dingleberry Dickwad: Nah, I'm an equal opportunity offender. Every race has it's own negative and some positive stereo types, and they're all pretty stupid, but they can all be funny if portrayed right (yes the ones against whitey too). I just find it funny that as a nation, no one gives a shiat if we make fun of whitey. Well except for white racists I suppose. I don't know if it comes from feeling guilty as a culture for all the stupid shiat we've done to various races over the years or what, but it's mostly considered A-OK to pick on whitey. I've always felt that we can't have it both ways. It's either ok to joke about stereotypes or it's not. None of this "It's ok if it's about white people" stuff or "It's ok for him to crack jokes about black/white/Asian/etc people because he's black/white/Asian/etc." Everybody should be able to not take themselves so seriously and laugh at jokes at their expense here and there.


Sounds like you figured it out but just don't like the answer. The historic oppressor doesn't get to poke fun at the historic victims. No matter how clever you think the joke is, it comes across as subtle nostalgia for the "good old days". It's a serious party foul. Everyone's free to take a shot at "the man" though, even if he isn't The Man and just happens to be descended from him. There's no old wounds to pick at.

Where's the big loss in not being able to tell ethnic jokes about others anyway? In the end, they always turn into mean-spirited caricatures.
 
2013-09-21 01:10:17 PM

EdgeRunner: Dingleberry Dickwad: Nah, I'm an equal opportunity offender. Every race has it's own negative and some positive stereo types, and they're all pretty stupid, but they can all be funny if portrayed right (yes the ones against whitey too). I just find it funny that as a nation, no one gives a shiat if we make fun of whitey. Well except for white racists I suppose. I don't know if it comes from feeling guilty as a culture for all the stupid shiat we've done to various races over the years or what, but it's mostly considered A-OK to pick on whitey. I've always felt that we can't have it both ways. It's either ok to joke about stereotypes or it's not. None of this "It's ok if it's about white people" stuff or "It's ok for him to crack jokes about black/white/Asian/etc people because he's black/white/Asian/etc." Everybody should be able to not take themselves so seriously and laugh at jokes at their expense here and there.

Sounds like you figured it out but just don't like the answer. The historic oppressor doesn't get to poke fun at the historic victims. No matter how clever you think the joke is, it comes across as subtle nostalgia for the "good old days". It's a serious party foul. Everyone's free to take a shot at "the man" though, even if he isn't The Man and just happens to be descended from him. There's no old wounds to pick at.

Where's the big loss in not being able to tell ethnic jokes about others anyway? In the end, they always turn into mean-spirited caricatures.


What I was trying to say last night was that to me it's not so much about not being able to tell ethnic jokes about others so much as the fickle nature of who it's ok to tell jokes about and who gets to tell them. For instance take things like Racial Draft from Chappelle's show. or many of Chappelle's skits, or Stereotype Olympics on Carlos Mencia's show. They're hilarious not because they're derogatory towards any race, but they're poking fun at the stereotypes themselves. Yet if a white person had come up with those exact same skits he'd be seen as racist. Telling seemingly racist jokes between people of varied races can be a way of bonding and acknowledging a shiatty history and laughing at it and putting it behind them. Throughout my time in the military I've known a number of people of various races where we've cracked stereotype jokes at each other not to insult each other, but to laugh at the ridiculousness of the stereotype itself. Yes some people aren't telling jokes like that in the same manner and some are intending to be derogatory and mean spirited and it's not always easy to know the difference. I know I'm not coming off well here and some folks will likely see me as a racist anyways but oh well.

/yeah yeah cue the "I have friends of various races, I'm not racist!" remarks.
 
2013-09-21 02:03:03 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500185_162-3572152.html

The poor guy is just not lucky with the women.


FTFA: Nye surprised Tindall with a spontaneous wedding in 2006, which was officiated by super-star Pastor Rick Warren.

*boggle*
 
2013-09-21 04:52:11 PM

Dingleberry Dickwad: What I was trying to say last night was that to me it's not so much about not being able to tell ethnic jokes about others so much as the fickle nature of who it's ok to tell jokes about and who gets to tell them. For instance take things like Racial Draft from Chappelle's show. or many of Chappelle's skits, or Stereotype Olympics on Carlos Mencia's show. They're hilarious not because they're derogatory towards any race, but they're poking fun at the stereotypes themselves. Yet if a white person had come up with those exact same skits he'd be seen as racist. Telling seemingly racist jokes between people of varied races can be a way of bonding and acknowledging a shiatty history and laughing at it and putting it behind them. Throughout my time in the military I've known a number of people of various races where we've cracked stereotype jokes at each other not to insult each other, but to laugh at the ridiculousness of the stereotype itself. Yes some people aren't telling jokes like that in the same manner and some are intending to be derogatory and mean spirited and it's not always easy to know the difference. I know I'm not coming off well here and some folks will likely see me as a racist anyways but oh well.


Look, you just don't get to tell those jokes, okay? There's nothing fickle about it. Imagine if a gang of bullies mercilessly tormented you all through your school years, taking every opportunity to humiliate you, hurt you, exclude you from social functions, and maybe even give you a solid beating every once in awhile. Now some twenty years later you bump into the children of those bullies, and although they seem like pretty decent sorts, they start teasing you about some of the old putdowns their parents used to ridicule you with. Even if they don't mean any harm by it and it's all in fun, it's still going to bring up a lot of sour memories and strike a bad chord between you and them. Well a lot of people over 50 keenly remember situations far worse than that, up to and including lynchings for f*ck's sake, so while it might be acceptable for you to poke fun at stereotypes around people in their late 30s or younger, you'd have to be incredibly dense not to grasp why a white guy telling ethnic jokes in public might just piss off a large segment of the population. You simply can't go there without sending the wrong vibe.

But the real problem may not be that racial tension confuses you. If you find Carlos Mencia hilarious, you might just be baffled by the entire concept of humor.
 
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