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(My Fox NY)   Remember when they said your E-ZPass wasn't used to track anything but your tolls on toll roads? Yeah, about that   (myfoxny.com) divider line 45
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2013-09-20 08:56:56 PM
8 votes:
You'd best start believing in dystopian futures...YOU"RE IN ONE!!!111!!
2013-09-20 08:50:03 PM
6 votes:
Anyone who thinks the government and corporations are not spying on your every move is a fool.

/Nothing to see here
//Move along
2013-09-20 08:51:10 PM
5 votes:
It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.
2013-09-20 09:56:44 PM
4 votes:

lewismarktwo: ISO15693: My library card has a barcode on it - but I recently discovered my grocery store uses barcode scanners! - just what are they doing with this information? And why does the grocery store want to know my reading habits? SECRET GOVERNMENT INTELLIGENCE PROGRAMS!

/roll eyes

^There's always these people.  You just can't accept the fact that these things matter, so you make light of them.


I'm an RFID sw/fw engineer. My analogy was that many systems use UHF-band RFID carriers in the ~900 Mhz range, like the EZ-Pass, but that his "detection" system was only set up to notice UHF broadcasts in that frequency range, and may have had as little to do with EZ-Pass as your library card barcode does to your grocery store.

There are countless RFID systems using the UHF band around 900Mhz. You can buy UHF band detectors very cheaply, walk around any modern city or mall, and see for yourself.   His detector would certainly "Moo" if he drove down my street, within 300 feet or so of my home office, yet it would have absolutely nothing to do with any of the fear-mongering claims he is making, absolutely nothing to do with EZ-pass- it would just be my own UHF rfid projects or possibly the local grocery store (many of those use UHF inventory control systems)

If I am "one of those guys", its only because this is my profession, and I make my living by being an expert in RFID systems. (ISO15693 is an RFID protocol in the HF 13.56 Mhz range, but I have been focused on long range UHF ~900 mhz rfid for the past 3 years, such as what the EZ-pass system uses)

This guy is very, very, silly. It's silliness crafted to generate fear and,,, wait a sec.. FOX NEWS! Doh. Of course they are going to leave out important facts, and spin it into a nonsensical, misleading, fear-mongering story that targets the uneducated.
2013-09-20 09:23:48 PM
4 votes:
1984 is now less dystopian than the current US.
2013-09-20 08:48:42 PM
4 votes:
it's for your own good, citizens
2013-09-20 09:08:05 PM
3 votes:
Jeebus, I can't worry about EZ Pass technology tracking me when I'm already being tracked by my cell phone, locations when I use my credit card, red light cameras, CCTV, building security passes...
2013-09-20 08:54:29 PM
3 votes:
You might be able to convince me that the folks who originally wanted to implement the system honestly had no intent to do anything but collecting tolls. However, you'd have to be really farking naive to think that you could create a system capable of tracking people and nobody would eventually take advantage of it.
2013-09-20 10:04:59 PM
2 votes:

ISO15693: There are countless RFID systems using the UHF band around 900Mhz. You can buy UHF band detectors very cheaply, walk around any modern city or mall, and see for yourself. His detector would certainly "Moo" if he drove down my street, within 300 feet or so of my home office, yet it would have absolutely nothing to do with any of the fear-mongering claims he is making, absolutely nothing to do with EZ-pass- it would just be my own UHF rfid projects or possibly the local grocery store (many of those use UHF inventory control systems)

If I am "one of those guys", its only because this is my profession, and I make my living by being an expert in RFID systems. (ISO15693 is an RFID protocol in the HF 13.56 Mhz range, but I have been focused on long range UHF ~900 mhz rfid for the past 3 years, such as what the EZ-pass system uses)

This guy is very, very, silly. It's silliness crafted to generate fear and,,, wait a sec


You could try reading his DEFCON PDF. On page 85 he explains how he detects when the "active RDIF" is active and then shows photos of the readers that activate it.
2013-09-20 09:47:54 PM
2 votes:
The NYC area E-ZPass info comes from "pukingmonkey" si0.twimg.com

Here is a PDF he presented at DEFCON-21: "THE ROAD LESS SURREPTITIOUSLY TRAVELED". The E-ZPass details are around page 85.
2013-09-20 09:33:28 PM
2 votes:

Satanic panic in the attic: Just get it over with already and microchip us all.


Why bother with microchips when everyone is already willing to carry smartphones?

It is only a matter of time before life in modern society is not really livable without one.  As more and more businesses set up apps to manage customer accounts and do business, they will eventually decide the non-smartphone owning portion of the population isn't worth doing business with.

/you might be able to survive as an Amish stereotype though
2013-09-20 09:08:07 PM
2 votes:

LeroyB: My EZ Pass is wrapped up in it's metallic bag in the storage compartment of the center console.

Consider who provided that metallic 'signal blocking bag' to you.
2013-09-20 09:07:56 PM
2 votes:

freak7: What I'd like to see them do is use EZ Pass to issue speeding tickets.


I'd like microphones almost everywhere, and noise ordinance violations enforced.
2013-09-20 08:57:37 PM
2 votes:
Anyone who has watched Law & Order during the last twenty years knows that EZ Pass technology will confirm you at a time and location.

But it would be a good question to find out of those 'traffic pattern monitoring tools' apart from the tolls can identity a specific name/vehicle/location/time.

Or is this another example of 'metadata' bullshiat.
2013-09-20 08:51:55 PM
2 votes:
I think we could solve this with a simple compromise.  Anybody who works in any kind of occupation which tracks data on people should have all of their own personal information tracked and published in a central location.

Good for the goose and all that.

/no, not serious
2013-09-20 11:06:50 PM
1 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: I don't see what the problem is.

If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?


You know how I know you're not Jewish?
2013-09-20 11:06:18 PM
1 votes:
Why do people keep complaining about privacy?  The USA gave that up about 12 years ago.
2013-09-20 10:46:50 PM
1 votes:
The cities are missing  a marketing and revenue gimmick.  Put the ez pass reader at the entrance and exit of parking lots, and you can use your ez pass to pay without stopping and digging out cards, etc.   But this can easily expand to on-street, meter-free parking as well, and that parking can have variable rates depending on things like snow routes, pollution control days, where they pay you or don;t charge you, if you leave the car unused all day... local sports like a Cubs game in Wrigleyville, variable rate for local resident vs. visitor...   metal signs announce the rates, you decide if you wanna park there and for how long. Readers attached to passing busses and cabs or meter-maid cars circulate round the blocks and scan your pass every so often.

Turn this into a feature of commerce and convenience, and people will give up their privacy in a heartbeat. Willingly.
2013-09-20 10:31:50 PM
1 votes:

AliceBToklasLives: hasty ambush: And GPS sytems will only be used to tax you on the miles you drive

Bay Area Drivers Could Be Tracked By GPS, Taxed Per Mile Driven

We are all taxed per mile driven


No, we're taxed per gallon of gas consumed.

Wear is a function of vehicle weight, speed, and tires (contact area.)

Mileage is a function of mass, speed, tires, engine design, drivetrain type, driving habits, etc. You change enough of the other variables, you throw it off.

My dad's Prius averages mpg in the high 40s, low 50s, depending on time of year. My Focus averages about 27mpg. I drive a little over half as many miles a year as he does, so I cause a little over half as much road wear, but I use about the same amount of gas, which means I'm paying ~2x as much per mile travelled, and/or ~2x as much per unit of road wear.

I get back a little every year at registration time - he pays a lot more for license plate tabs, because his car's newer and pricier. But it hardly makes a dent in the difference and he got a tax credit to buy the damn thing in the first place.

But imo, a completely fair road maintenance tax system would be too complicated to administer effectively. (An income-adjusted base rate for basic road maintenance necessitated by weather, freeze-frost cycles, etc., and an additional surcharge based on city street miles driven, highway miles driven, COLA adjustments for each county, weighted for the type of vehicle being driven and whether or not it was hauling a trailer at the time, etc.)

So we fudge it.
2013-09-20 10:09:04 PM
1 votes:

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: I don't see what the problem is.

If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?


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2013-09-20 10:03:42 PM
1 votes:

Hermione_Granger: Ivo Shandor: It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.

I was thinking about this today. If had a decent enough high res photo of my license plate and put it beneath a holder - I think if it looked realistic enough, it could stand up to a visual test and beat the scanners because it would just be photo paper?

Just a theory....I'm willing to entertain all rejections as to why this wouldn't work.


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2013-09-20 09:45:51 PM
1 votes:
Well as long as corporate owned government don't  keep track of the GPS in your car, or Cell phone text's and calls, or Email, or the crap you buy with your credit card, or who you vote for, or what kind of car you drive, or what you DVR,  or every farking nickle you made last year and how much you saved, and what you spent the rest on,,,,  we should be secure in our privacy.
2013-09-20 09:43:20 PM
1 votes:
And people said I was crazy when I didn't get an EZ Pass tag because they saved you 10% off your tolls. I'd rather preserve my privacy than sell it for $0.10 per transaction.
2013-09-20 09:41:54 PM
1 votes:

ThisIsntMe: This is why Tony Soprano always paid cash for tolls.


Too bad they take a picture of your license plate at every toll booth.
2013-09-20 09:37:14 PM
1 votes:
This is why Tony Soprano always paid cash for tolls.
2013-09-20 09:31:30 PM
1 votes:

Ivo Shandor: It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.


For example: The London congestion charge has been entirely run using license plate recognition for over a decade now.
2013-09-20 09:28:20 PM
1 votes:
Traffic control centers track Bluetooth devices and determine average speed in a given area. This is how your morning radio traffic announcer knows average trip times for your morning commute. So if your phone or vehicle uses Bluetooth technology, you are already being tracked by your local Department of Transportation. But don't worry; they won't tell anyone you weren't really where you were supposed to be. They only use a coded unique identifier for each vehicle, not your actual MAC address or other personal identifier.
2013-09-20 09:26:36 PM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: And GPS sytems will only be used to tax you on the miles you drive

Bay Area Drivers Could Be Tracked By GPS, Taxed Per Mile Driven


We are all taxed per mile driven
2013-09-20 09:22:16 PM
1 votes:
Just get it over with already and microchip us all.
2013-09-20 09:18:49 PM
1 votes:

Man On Pink Corner: Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.


Damn, I'd never heard of those. And they're hackable too:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2010/08/cars-hacked-through-wireless -t yre-sensors/

Every time I read the news these days, I want to surround myself with another layer of Faraday cage.
2013-09-20 09:18:16 PM
1 votes:

ISO15693: My library card has a barcode on it - but I recently discovered my grocery store uses barcode scanners! - just what are they doing with this information? And why does the grocery store want to know my reading habits? SECRET GOVERNMENT INTELLIGENCE PROGRAMS!

/roll eyes


^There's always these people.  You just can't accept the fact that these things matter, so you make light of them.
2013-09-20 09:17:21 PM
1 votes:
Use google maps?  Got location turned on?
Same thing.
2013-09-20 09:10:23 PM
1 votes:

Enemabag Jones: I have read suggestions that RFID tags be put on license plates. Maybe you know something I don't but I won't take your word on it.


I suspect most of that is just lobbying from the companies who sell RFID hardware.

Vancouver's new toll bridge offers an optional RFID decal, but if you don't have one (which I don't) they use the plate number. It's not 100% accurate but it's close enough for government work.
2013-09-20 09:09:38 PM
1 votes:
Next time you drive on any interstate, pay attention. There are cameras and various sensors everywhere. There main purpose is likely for traffic control but I'm sure if the various agencies want the information they can get it.
2013-09-20 09:08:31 PM
1 votes:

Man On Pink Corner: Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.


TPMS has an effective active read range of about 5 inches even with the best receivers I have seen.

That's with a full battery.

/need to buy new units for my 9 year old car. The batteries in mine are dead.
2013-09-20 09:08:19 PM
1 votes:

Creoena: Anyone who thinks the government and corporations are not spying on your every move is a fool.

/Nothing to see here
//Move along


Still not right. They work for us. If anyone needs tracking, it's them.
2013-09-20 09:04:06 PM
1 votes:
kestas.kuliukas.com
2013-09-20 09:01:16 PM
1 votes:
I don't see what the problem is.

If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?
2013-09-20 09:01:15 PM
1 votes:
Ivo Shandor
It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.


I have read suggestions that RFID tags be put on license plates. Maybe you know something I don't but I won't take your word on it.
2013-09-20 09:00:57 PM
1 votes:
My friend got a speeding ticket issued because she closed the gap between one toll plaza and the next too fast, and the EZ Pass decided her average speed required for those timestamps was above the limit.
2013-09-20 09:00:14 PM
1 votes:
Slowly I turned...step by step...inch by inch...,"
2013-09-20 08:58:55 PM
1 votes:
How else can measure our infinite freedom, besides tracking it?

If we don't spy on ourselves then you'd be paying 10 for a banana and the terrorist would have won and God cant destroy evil without destroying all the evil people and stuff.
2013-09-20 08:58:23 PM
1 votes:
My EZ Pass is wrapped up in it's metallic bag in the storage compartment of the center console.

I attach it to my window when I happen to be going on a toll road.

Doesn't the police already keep track our location by reading our license plates with cameras on the back of police cars and at traffic lights?
2013-09-20 08:49:31 PM
1 votes:
We're being tracked everywhere! I blame the jews and HAARP.
2013-09-20 08:47:06 PM
1 votes:
Is it also tracking my television viewing habits?

I knewthis would happen!

/drtfa
 
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