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2013-09-20 08:47:06 PM  
Is it also tracking my television viewing habits?

I knewthis would happen!

/drtfa
 
2013-09-20 08:48:42 PM  
it's for your own good, citizens
 
2013-09-20 08:49:31 PM  
We're being tracked everywhere! I blame the jews and HAARP.
 
2013-09-20 08:50:03 PM  
Anyone who thinks the government and corporations are not spying on your every move is a fool.

/Nothing to see here
//Move along
 
2013-09-20 08:51:10 PM  
It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.
 
2013-09-20 08:51:55 PM  
I think we could solve this with a simple compromise.  Anybody who works in any kind of occupation which tracks data on people should have all of their own personal information tracked and published in a central location.

Good for the goose and all that.

/no, not serious
 
2013-09-20 08:54:29 PM  
You might be able to convince me that the folks who originally wanted to implement the system honestly had no intent to do anything but collecting tolls. However, you'd have to be really farking naive to think that you could create a system capable of tracking people and nobody would eventually take advantage of it.
 
2013-09-20 08:56:43 PM  
They still aren't tracking my fapping habits though right?
 
2013-09-20 08:56:56 PM  
You'd best start believing in dystopian futures...YOU"RE IN ONE!!!111!!
 
2013-09-20 08:57:05 PM  
NYc is likely going to institute a midtown toll/fare for taxis during peak hours, similar to what exists in Singapore. 

Or maybe there are reverse vampires working at the NSA who want to read your thoughts.
 
2013-09-20 08:57:37 PM  
Anyone who has watched Law & Order during the last twenty years knows that EZ Pass technology will confirm you at a time and location.

But it would be a good question to find out of those 'traffic pattern monitoring tools' apart from the tolls can identity a specific name/vehicle/location/time.

Or is this another example of 'metadata' bullshiat.
 
2013-09-20 08:58:23 PM  
My EZ Pass is wrapped up in it's metallic bag in the storage compartment of the center console.

I attach it to my window when I happen to be going on a toll road.

Doesn't the police already keep track our location by reading our license plates with cameras on the back of police cars and at traffic lights?
 
2013-09-20 08:58:55 PM  
How else can measure our infinite freedom, besides tracking it?

If we don't spy on ourselves then you'd be paying 10 for a banana and the terrorist would have won and God cant destroy evil without destroying all the evil people and stuff.
 
2013-09-20 08:58:58 PM  
Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.
 
2013-09-20 08:59:27 PM  
What are these "toll roads" you speak of?  Here in Colorado we just pay taxes for the roads we all use.

/ok, we have like two toll roads - no one uses them
 
2013-09-20 09:00:14 PM  
Slowly I turned...step by step...inch by inch...,"
 
2013-09-20 09:00:55 PM  
In the late 90's my boss used to get speeding tickets in the mail.  Some of the employees would average 78-85 mph going from the Battery tunnel to the Verrazano bridge. No points because they couldn't prove who was driving, but a big enough fine that the employee worked for free that day.  I think my dad got a couple NYS Thruway tickets the same way.

/bsb
 
2013-09-20 09:00:57 PM  
My friend got a speeding ticket issued because she closed the gap between one toll plaza and the next too fast, and the EZ Pass decided her average speed required for those timestamps was above the limit.
 
2013-09-20 09:01:15 PM  
Ivo Shandor
It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.


I have read suggestions that RFID tags be put on license plates. Maybe you know something I don't but I won't take your word on it.
 
2013-09-20 09:01:16 PM  
I don't see what the problem is.

If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?
 
2013-09-20 09:01:31 PM  
Oh bullshiat, it's obviously reacting to one of hundreds of signals zipping around.
 
2013-09-20 09:03:18 PM  
My library card has a barcode on it - but I recently discovered my grocery store uses barcode scanners! - just what are they doing with this information? And why does the grocery store want to know my reading habits? SECRET GOVERNMENT INTELLIGENCE PROGRAMS!

/roll eyes
 
2013-09-20 09:04:06 PM  
kestas.kuliukas.com
 
2013-09-20 09:05:40 PM  

awalkingecho: My friend got a speeding ticket issued because she closed the gap between one toll plaza and the next too fast, and the EZ Pass decided her average speed required for those timestamps was above the limit.


whoa
 
2013-09-20 09:06:00 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?


Because I don't want my parents to find out that I drive every Tuesday to the pancreatic cancer clinic? Jus' sayin'
 
2013-09-20 09:06:18 PM  
What I'd like to see them do is use EZ Pass to issue speeding tickets.
 
2013-09-20 09:06:30 PM  
Man On Pink Corner
Could just as easily use TPMS. Google it: you have radios in your tires.

For OEM auto dTPMS units to work properly, they need to recognize the sensor positions and have to ignore the signals from other vehicles' sensors.


So based on the type of vehicle, it could use a specific frequency or something like a specific MAC address.
 
2013-09-20 09:07:25 PM  
I'm glad I lived most of my life during a less populated, less regimented time.   There ain't no massa over Jordan.
 
2013-09-20 09:07:56 PM  

freak7: What I'd like to see them do is use EZ Pass to issue speeding tickets.


I'd like microphones almost everywhere, and noise ordinance violations enforced.
 
2013-09-20 09:08:05 PM  
Jeebus, I can't worry about EZ Pass technology tracking me when I'm already being tracked by my cell phone, locations when I use my credit card, red light cameras, CCTV, building security passes...
 
2013-09-20 09:08:07 PM  

LeroyB: My EZ Pass is wrapped up in it's metallic bag in the storage compartment of the center console.

Consider who provided that metallic 'signal blocking bag' to you.
 
2013-09-20 09:08:19 PM  

Creoena: Anyone who thinks the government and corporations are not spying on your every move is a fool.

/Nothing to see here
//Move along


Still not right. They work for us. If anyone needs tracking, it's them.
 
2013-09-20 09:08:31 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.


TPMS has an effective active read range of about 5 inches even with the best receivers I have seen.

That's with a full battery.

/need to buy new units for my 9 year old car. The batteries in mine are dead.
 
2013-09-20 09:09:38 PM  
Next time you drive on any interstate, pay attention. There are cameras and various sensors everywhere. There main purpose is likely for traffic control but I'm sure if the various agencies want the information they can get it.
 
2013-09-20 09:09:50 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: What are these "toll roads" you speak of?  Here in Colorado we just pay taxes for the roads we all use.

/ok, we have like two toll roads - no one uses them


Not my state; we get to use shiny EZ Passes in my area come February because a referendum to increase the sales tax for road projects failed some years ago.  Not sure if voters were expecting the state to white knight the project or were afraid any revenue collected would have been used elsewhere.
 
2013-09-20 09:10:23 PM  

Enemabag Jones: I have read suggestions that RFID tags be put on license plates. Maybe you know something I don't but I won't take your word on it.


I suspect most of that is just lobbying from the companies who sell RFID hardware.

Vancouver's new toll bridge offers an optional RFID decal, but if you don't have one (which I don't) they use the plate number. It's not 100% accurate but it's close enough for government work.
 
2013-09-20 09:11:28 PM  
Meh. Once the EMP device goes off over Kansas, it'll all be rendered moot anyway.
 
2013-09-20 09:11:47 PM  
Houston has been doing this for at least 5-6 years, and even told us about it when they started doing it. Not sure why they think this is "News".
 
2013-09-20 09:13:25 PM  
Ivo Shandor  ,
I suspect most of that is just lobbying from the companies who sell RFID hardware.
Vancouver's new

Makes sense.  Thanks for the reference.
 
2013-09-20 09:15:34 PM  

big pig peaches: Next time you drive on any interstate, pay attention. There are cameras and various sensors everywhere. There main purpose is likely for traffic control but I'm sure if the various agencies want the information they can get it.


I hate those damned K-band solar powered radar units ohio has on all the highways.

I know that traffic flow rate is useful to google for travel time and traffic updates (thats what they told us they use them for) but they have made my radar detector useless.

(I wonder how constant k-band radar bombardment of the public, which is potentially hazardous, is legal for profit)
 
2013-09-20 09:15:57 PM  

awalkingecho: My friend got a speeding ticket issued because she closed the gap between one toll plaza and the next too fast, and the EZ Pass decided her average speed required for those timestamps was above the limit.


They used to do that (maybe they still do it) on the Ohio and Pennsylvania Turnpikes with the regular paper tickets. The tickets are timestamped when you receive them so they can tell your average speed when you give back the ticket to pay the toll.
 
2013-09-20 09:17:21 PM  
Use google maps?  Got location turned on?
Same thing.
 
2013-09-20 09:17:36 PM  

Mark Ratner: We're being tracked everywhere! I blame the jews and HAARP.


www.historylives.com
 
2013-09-20 09:17:42 PM  
Yep. It used to beep everytime I went into San Jose Airport and I was not surprised they didn't announce that little nugget.
 
2013-09-20 09:18:16 PM  

ISO15693: My library card has a barcode on it - but I recently discovered my grocery store uses barcode scanners! - just what are they doing with this information? And why does the grocery store want to know my reading habits? SECRET GOVERNMENT INTELLIGENCE PROGRAMS!

/roll eyes


^There's always these people.  You just can't accept the fact that these things matter, so you make light of them.
 
2013-09-20 09:18:49 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.


Damn, I'd never heard of those. And they're hackable too:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2010/08/cars-hacked-through-wireless -t yre-sensors/

Every time I read the news these days, I want to surround myself with another layer of Faraday cage.
 
2013-09-20 09:19:34 PM  
There are drive thrus that use it to pay for your orders.
 
2013-09-20 09:22:16 PM  
Just get it over with already and microchip us all.
 
2013-09-20 09:22:22 PM  
And GPS sytems will only be used to tax you on the miles you drive

Bay Area Drivers Could Be Tracked By GPS, Taxed Per Mile Driven
 
2013-09-20 09:23:48 PM  
1984 is now less dystopian than the current US.
 
2013-09-20 09:26:36 PM  

hasty ambush: And GPS sytems will only be used to tax you on the miles you drive

Bay Area Drivers Could Be Tracked By GPS, Taxed Per Mile Driven


We are all taxed per mile driven
 
2013-09-20 09:27:44 PM  
My ezpass shows the same commute every day 5 days a week 49 or 50 weeks a year.  I roll through the tollbooths between 25-30 every day each way, if I'm not doing 80 I'm pissed at whoever is holding up the left lane.  I have never once been cited for speeding or anything else from the gizmo since the day it started on the NJ Turnpike.  I check the statement every time, never anything I couldn't account for.  Never.  Works for me.
 
2013-09-20 09:28:20 PM  
Traffic control centers track Bluetooth devices and determine average speed in a given area. This is how your morning radio traffic announcer knows average trip times for your morning commute. So if your phone or vehicle uses Bluetooth technology, you are already being tracked by your local Department of Transportation. But don't worry; they won't tell anyone you weren't really where you were supposed to be. They only use a coded unique identifier for each vehicle, not your actual MAC address or other personal identifier.
 
2013-09-20 09:28:59 PM  

Deep Contact: Creoena: Anyone who thinks the government and corporations are not spying on your every move is a fool.

/Nothing to see here
//Move along

Still not right. They work for us. If anyone needs tracking, it's them.


Thats why we have the second amendment
 
2013-09-20 09:30:54 PM  

Ivo Shandor: e.

Vancouver's new toll bridge offers an optional RFID decal, but if you don't have one (which I don't) they use the plate number. It's not 100% accurate but it's close enough for government work.


Here in PA, if you don't have an E-ZPass, you end up paying like 20% more for a cash toll vs the electronic toll.  Fark PA in the arse with a stale Olive Garden breadstick!

/Looking to relocate to a nicer state.
//Subby
 
2013-09-20 09:31:30 PM  

Ivo Shandor: It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.


For example: The London congestion charge has been entirely run using license plate recognition for over a decade now.
 
2013-09-20 09:32:36 PM  

gerbilpox: Man On Pink Corner: Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.

Damn, I'd never heard of those. And they're hackable too:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2010/08/cars-hacked-through-wireless -t yre-sensors/

Every time I read the news these days, I want to surround myself with another layer of Faraday cage.


Now we know how the CIA kills people these days.
 
2013-09-20 09:33:28 PM  

Satanic panic in the attic: Just get it over with already and microchip us all.


Why bother with microchips when everyone is already willing to carry smartphones?

It is only a matter of time before life in modern society is not really livable without one.  As more and more businesses set up apps to manage customer accounts and do business, they will eventually decide the non-smartphone owning portion of the population isn't worth doing business with.

/you might be able to survive as an Amish stereotype though
 
2013-09-20 09:36:25 PM  

styckx: They still aren't tracking my fapping habits though right?


Don't worry. No one knows about your My Little Pony fetish. Bronies are safe
 
2013-09-20 09:36:47 PM  

SevenizGud: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?

Because I don't want my parents to find out that I drive every Tuesday to the pancreatic cancer clinic? Jus' sayin'


Oh, if you're being serious, hon, you have sympathy and mental hugs shooting your way.  Please tell me you're fooling, so I can just be a little irritated at you.  I'd rather be pissed at you than you have that awful thing.
 
2013-09-20 09:37:14 PM  
This is why Tony Soprano always paid cash for tolls.
 
2013-09-20 09:38:41 PM  

GeeksAreMyPeeps: styckx: They still aren't tracking my fapping habits though right?

Don't worry. No one knows about your My Little Pony fetish. Bronies are safe


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-20 09:38:50 PM  

Ivo Shandor: It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.


I used to try to explain that at places like the Volokh Conspiracy where some of the professor/bloggers there would discuss things like GPS trackers, and it was like deaf ears.

But yeah, who needs expensive rfid or expensive gps trackers when a network of cameras capable of reading license plates will do.
 
2013-09-20 09:41:54 PM  

ThisIsntMe: This is why Tony Soprano always paid cash for tolls.


Too bad they take a picture of your license plate at every toll booth.
 
2013-09-20 09:43:20 PM  
And people said I was crazy when I didn't get an EZ Pass tag because they saved you 10% off your tolls. I'd rather preserve my privacy than sell it for $0.10 per transaction.
 
2013-09-20 09:44:11 PM  
Silly people thinking the Emocrats and Rapeublicans won't use this to try to enslave you.  The funny thing is, it's only possible in the cities.  Who lives in the cities?  Liberals.
 
2013-09-20 09:45:51 PM  
Well as long as corporate owned government don't  keep track of the GPS in your car, or Cell phone text's and calls, or Email, or the crap you buy with your credit card, or who you vote for, or what kind of car you drive, or what you DVR,  or every farking nickle you made last year and how much you saved, and what you spent the rest on,,,,  we should be secure in our privacy.
 
2013-09-20 09:47:54 PM  
The NYC area E-ZPass info comes from "pukingmonkey" si0.twimg.com

Here is a PDF he presented at DEFCON-21: "THE ROAD LESS SURREPTITIOUSLY TRAVELED". The E-ZPass details are around page 85.
 
2013-09-20 09:54:29 PM  

Ivo Shandor: It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.


I was thinking about this today. If had a decent enough high res photo of my license plate and put it beneath a holder - I think if it looked realistic enough, it could stand up to a visual test and beat the scanners because it would just be photo paper?

Just a theory....I'm willing to entertain all rejections as to why this wouldn't work.
 
2013-09-20 09:56:44 PM  

lewismarktwo: ISO15693: My library card has a barcode on it - but I recently discovered my grocery store uses barcode scanners! - just what are they doing with this information? And why does the grocery store want to know my reading habits? SECRET GOVERNMENT INTELLIGENCE PROGRAMS!

/roll eyes

^There's always these people.  You just can't accept the fact that these things matter, so you make light of them.


I'm an RFID sw/fw engineer. My analogy was that many systems use UHF-band RFID carriers in the ~900 Mhz range, like the EZ-Pass, but that his "detection" system was only set up to notice UHF broadcasts in that frequency range, and may have had as little to do with EZ-Pass as your library card barcode does to your grocery store.

There are countless RFID systems using the UHF band around 900Mhz. You can buy UHF band detectors very cheaply, walk around any modern city or mall, and see for yourself.   His detector would certainly "Moo" if he drove down my street, within 300 feet or so of my home office, yet it would have absolutely nothing to do with any of the fear-mongering claims he is making, absolutely nothing to do with EZ-pass- it would just be my own UHF rfid projects or possibly the local grocery store (many of those use UHF inventory control systems)

If I am "one of those guys", its only because this is my profession, and I make my living by being an expert in RFID systems. (ISO15693 is an RFID protocol in the HF 13.56 Mhz range, but I have been focused on long range UHF ~900 mhz rfid for the past 3 years, such as what the EZ-pass system uses)

This guy is very, very, silly. It's silliness crafted to generate fear and,,, wait a sec.. FOX NEWS! Doh. Of course they are going to leave out important facts, and spin it into a nonsensical, misleading, fear-mongering story that targets the uneducated.
 
2013-09-20 09:58:24 PM  

big pig peaches: ThisIsntMe: This is why Tony Soprano always paid cash for tolls.

Too bad they take a picture of your license plate at every toll booth.


So just have your nephew change the license plate every week. What's the big deal?
 
2013-09-20 09:59:46 PM  

ThisIsntMe: So just have your nephew change the license plate every week. What's the big deal?


Christopher is dead, duh. They shot him and dumped him overboard.
 
2013-09-20 10:02:13 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Silly people thinking the Emocrats and Rapeublicans corporations won't use this to try to enslave you.  The funny thing is, it's only possible in the cities.  Who lives in the cities?  Liberals.


FTF my paranoid brain.
 
2013-09-20 10:03:25 PM  

Mark Ratner: We're being tracked everywhere! I blame the jews and HAARP.


Thanks for the brain worm. And for the rest of you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRSt803o04I
 
2013-09-20 10:03:42 PM  

Hermione_Granger: Ivo Shandor: It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.

I was thinking about this today. If had a decent enough high res photo of my license plate and put it beneath a holder - I think if it looked realistic enough, it could stand up to a visual test and beat the scanners because it would just be photo paper?

Just a theory....I'm willing to entertain all rejections as to why this wouldn't work.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-20 10:04:59 PM  

ISO15693: There are countless RFID systems using the UHF band around 900Mhz. You can buy UHF band detectors very cheaply, walk around any modern city or mall, and see for yourself. His detector would certainly "Moo" if he drove down my street, within 300 feet or so of my home office, yet it would have absolutely nothing to do with any of the fear-mongering claims he is making, absolutely nothing to do with EZ-pass- it would just be my own UHF rfid projects or possibly the local grocery store (many of those use UHF inventory control systems)

If I am "one of those guys", its only because this is my profession, and I make my living by being an expert in RFID systems. (ISO15693 is an RFID protocol in the HF 13.56 Mhz range, but I have been focused on long range UHF ~900 mhz rfid for the past 3 years, such as what the EZ-pass system uses)

This guy is very, very, silly. It's silliness crafted to generate fear and,,, wait a sec


You could try reading his DEFCON PDF. On page 85 he explains how he detects when the "active RDIF" is active and then shows photos of the readers that activate it.
 
2013-09-20 10:05:35 PM  

Shadow Blasko: big pig peaches: Next time you drive on any interstate, pay attention. There are cameras and various sensors everywhere. There main purpose is likely for traffic control but I'm sure if the various agencies want the information they can get it.

I hate those damned K-band solar powered radar units ohio has on all the highways.

I know that traffic flow rate is useful to google for travel time and traffic updates (thats what they told us they use them for) but they have made my radar detector useless.

(I wonder how constant k-band radar bombardment of the public, which is potentially hazardous, is legal for profit)


On my Valentine 1 I disabled K and X band warnings. Every drug store, grocery store and gas station around here has K band auto door sensors and my detector was worthless until I changed the settings. I looked it up on their website and it only took a couple minutes. Now it only sounds off for KA or laser.
 
2013-09-20 10:06:57 PM  
And people laughed at us librarians when we tried to explain how this would happen because of the nature of information and the ubiquity of information sharing and curiosity...
 
2013-09-20 10:07:13 PM  

qorkfiend: Smeggy Smurf: Silly people thinking the Emocrats and Rapeublicans corporations won't use this to try to enslave you.  The funny thing is, it's only possible in the cities.  Who lives in the cities?  Liberals.

FTF my paranoid brain.


You didn't change what I posted one bit
 
2013-09-20 10:07:50 PM  

dahmers love zombie: GeeksAreMyPeeps: styckx: They still aren't tracking my fapping habits though right?

Don't worry. No one knows about your My Little Pony fetish. Bronies are safe

[i.imgur.com image 443x311]


true bronies clop, not fap.  study it out...
 
2013-09-20 10:08:14 PM  

Shadow Blasko: I know that traffic flow rate is useful to google for travel time and traffic updates (thats what they told us they use them for) but they have made my radar detector useless.


Time to buy one that doesn't suck. Escort, Beltronics, and Valentine all use TSR- Traffic Sensor Rejection. Whistler might too. It creates a half second delay in the detector on K band... the pulses from those sensors are shorter than that so they get ignored. Anything longer than that is a more real concern, so it alerts.

Just don't buy a Cobra. Those are damn near worthless and have a nasty habit of setting off everybody else's decent units from a harmonic of the oscillator... when I get a Ka alert in the 33.6 range I look around and sure enough, some asshole is using a useless POS Cobra, often pointed right at the sky.
 
2013-09-20 10:08:25 PM  

styckx: They still aren't tracking my fapping habits though right?


Your optometrist already is.
 
2013-09-20 10:09:04 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: I don't see what the problem is.

If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?


radiofreethinker.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-09-20 10:11:40 PM  
What's is say down there on the bottom?

upload.wikimedia.org

"NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION"
/we'll only stick it in part way
 
2013-09-20 10:14:10 PM  

skwerl: Shadow Blasko: big pig peaches: Next time you drive on any interstate, pay attention. There are cameras and various sensors everywhere. There main purpose is likely for traffic control but I'm sure if the various agencies want the information they can get it.

I hate those damned K-band solar powered radar units ohio has on all the highways.

I know that traffic flow rate is useful to google for travel time and traffic updates (thats what they told us they use them for) but they have made my radar detector useless.

(I wonder how constant k-band radar bombardment of the public, which is potentially hazardous, is legal for profit)

On my Valentine 1 I disabled K and X band warnings. Every drug store, grocery store and gas station around here has K band auto door sensors and my detector was worthless until I changed the settings. I looked it up on their website and it only took a couple minutes. Now it only sounds off for KA or laser.


How the HELL do I do that on my V1?

I asked Mike V and he said it was more trouble than it was worth till they were done with the firmware update.

/eip.. or just email. This username (no space) at gmail.

//I mean. . If you want to share.
 
2013-09-20 10:15:42 PM  

akula: Shadow Blasko: I know that traffic flow rate is useful to google for travel time and traffic updates (thats what they told us they use them for) but they have made my radar detector useless.

Time to buy one that doesn't suck. Escort, Beltronics, and Valentine all use TSR- Traffic Sensor Rejection. Whistler might too. It creates a half second delay in the detector on K band... the pulses from those sensors are shorter than that so they get ignored. Anything longer than that is a more real concern, so it alerts.

Just don't buy a Cobra. Those are damn near worthless and have a nasty habit of setting off everybody else's decent units from a harmonic of the oscillator... when I get a Ka alert in the 33.6 range I look around and sure enough, some asshole is using a useless POS Cobra, often pointed right at the sky.


I have a V1.

Tell me again to buy one that doesn't suck?

/worked for Cincy Microwave wayyyy back when they were on Escort drive in Mason.
 
2013-09-20 10:15:48 PM  
Is there still a way for people to use the superhighways in NY and NJ without a transponder?
 
2013-09-20 10:16:11 PM  
Your actions are being recorded.

Whether anyone's actually LOOKING at those recordings is another matter.
 
2013-09-20 10:17:19 PM  

akula: Shadow Blasko: I know that traffic flow rate is useful to google for travel time and traffic updates (thats what they told us they use them for) but they have made my radar detector useless.

Time to buy one that doesn't suck. Escort, Beltronics, and Valentine all use TSR- Traffic Sensor Rejection. Whistler might too. It creates a half second delay in the detector on K band... the pulses from those sensors are shorter than that so they get ignored. Anything longer than that is a more real concern, so it alerts.

Just don't buy a Cobra. Those are damn near worthless and have a nasty habit of setting off everybody else's decent units from a harmonic of the oscillator... when I get a Ka alert in the 33.6 range I look around and sure enough, some asshole is using a useless POS Cobra, often pointed right at the sky.


Oh... and Ohio doesnt use TSR.

The Ohio units are 5 to 7 second broadcast every 30 seconds. No short pulse.

/goes to look up how to fix my V1
 
2013-09-20 10:17:26 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Ivo Shandor
It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.

I have read suggestions that RFID tags be put on license plates. Maybe you know something I don't but I won't take your word on it.


In California they're piloting digital license plates.

Nothing to see here folks.

Move along...
 
2013-09-20 10:19:54 PM  
(Also hate those damned Laser rangefinders on the high end SUVs that set of lidar detection. Making all our toys useless)
 
2013-09-20 10:21:04 PM  

Fast Moon: Your actions are being recorded.

Whether anyone's actually LOOKING at those recordings is another matter.


If any of this were true, we'd certainly have had court cases where this data was used to aid a conviction.
 
2013-09-20 10:21:31 PM  

RoyBatty: Hermione_Granger: Ivo Shandor: It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.

I was thinking about this today. If had a decent enough high res photo of my license plate and put it beneath a holder - I think if it looked realistic enough, it could stand up to a visual test and beat the scanners because it would just be photo paper?

Just a theory....I'm willing to entertain all rejections as to why this wouldn't work.

[i.imgur.com image 620x729]


I call BS on that. As someone who's been caught by those damn cameras twice, I can say there's an easy way to prove it wasn't your vehicle: the images you get on the citation show not just the tag, but the car itself as well. Got some nice pics of my truck's rear end, and I'd know in a millisecond if it was my tag # on a different vehicle. Oh, yeah, I'd go to court on that one.
 
2013-09-20 10:23:45 PM  

Aces and Eights: Traffic control centers track Bluetooth devices and determine average speed in a given area. This is how your morning radio traffic announcer knows average trip times for your morning commute. So if your phone or vehicle uses Bluetooth technology, you are already being tracked by your local Department of Transportation. But don't worry; they won't tell anyone you weren't really where you were supposed to be. They only use a coded unique identifier for each vehicle, not your actual MAC address or other personal identifier.


I read that Palm Beach, Florida is currently doing that, is it anywhere else yet?
 
2013-09-20 10:24:22 PM  
On the one hand, this use of the tags should be disclosed.

On the other hand, I don't think that people have a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding what they do with their 20-foot, two-ton metal vehicle with clear individual marks at both ends on roadways used by thousands or millions of other people.  It's a reasonable discussion to have, yes, thus the disclosure, but I don't think it's necessarily something one should automatically win.

ISO15693: I'm an RFID sw/fw engineer. My analogy was that many systems use UHF-band RFID carriers in the ~900 Mhz range, like the EZ-Pass, but that his "detection" system was only set up to notice UHF broadcasts in that frequency range, and may have had as little to do with EZ-Pass as your library card barcode does to your grocery store.


Firstly, there's no information in TFA about the device.  He may have been monitoring the device response itself, not general incoming signals. So it may be more specific than that.

Secondly, the read distance on passive tags is something like 20 feet, so if you're driving around and getting pinged then it's probably something on the actual road.

Thirdly, the news contacted NYC-DoT and the city told them that the readers were theirs and that they were using them to monitor vehicles.

... your professional credentials are rendered somewhat less impressive when they lead you to say obviously stupid shiat that anyone reading TFA would notice are incorrect.  You may not want to bring them up immediately upon being called out on something legitimately dumb.
 
2013-09-20 10:27:52 PM  

LeroyB: My EZ Pass is wrapped up in it's metallic bag in the storage compartment of the center console.

I attach it to my window when I happen to be going on a toll road.

Doesn't the police already keep track our location by reading our license plates with cameras on the back of police cars and at traffic lights?


================

Couple of years ago a bicycle riding arsonist was caught when cops started with the security camera videos of the torched structures, and worked backwards patching together all the security and traffic videos along the route the arsonist took, leading right back to the arsonist's house.    Some nights he rode is bike 20 miles to his targets.
 
2013-09-20 10:28:39 PM  
News, people still believe we are not in a police state.
 
2013-09-20 10:28:41 PM  

Southern100: Houston has been doing this for at least 5-6 years, and even told us about it when they started doing it. Not sure why they think this is "News".


Where do you think they get the info for the "XX MINUTES TO I45" signs from?
 
2013-09-20 10:31:33 PM  

Macular Degenerate: And people said I was crazy when I didn't get an EZ Pass tag because they saved you 10% off your tolls. I'd rather preserve my privacy than sell it for $0.10 per transaction.


Your plate gets photo'd, you gain no privacy, you waste time and gas in line for the toll, and you pay more (and it's far more than a 10% discount in NYC)

/I actually really wished they issued speeding tickets with the traffic data
//fastest way to get limits raised that I can think of is ticket everyone!
 
2013-09-20 10:31:50 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: hasty ambush: And GPS sytems will only be used to tax you on the miles you drive

Bay Area Drivers Could Be Tracked By GPS, Taxed Per Mile Driven

We are all taxed per mile driven


No, we're taxed per gallon of gas consumed.

Wear is a function of vehicle weight, speed, and tires (contact area.)

Mileage is a function of mass, speed, tires, engine design, drivetrain type, driving habits, etc. You change enough of the other variables, you throw it off.

My dad's Prius averages mpg in the high 40s, low 50s, depending on time of year. My Focus averages about 27mpg. I drive a little over half as many miles a year as he does, so I cause a little over half as much road wear, but I use about the same amount of gas, which means I'm paying ~2x as much per mile travelled, and/or ~2x as much per unit of road wear.

I get back a little every year at registration time - he pays a lot more for license plate tabs, because his car's newer and pricier. But it hardly makes a dent in the difference and he got a tax credit to buy the damn thing in the first place.

But imo, a completely fair road maintenance tax system would be too complicated to administer effectively. (An income-adjusted base rate for basic road maintenance necessitated by weather, freeze-frost cycles, etc., and an additional surcharge based on city street miles driven, highway miles driven, COLA adjustments for each county, weighted for the type of vehicle being driven and whether or not it was hauling a trailer at the time, etc.)

So we fudge it.
 
2013-09-20 10:32:25 PM  
Thanks for the help guys.

/off to reprogram and test my V1.
 
2013-09-20 10:34:34 PM  

freak7: ThisIsntMe: So just have your nephew change the license plate every week. What's the big deal?

Christopher is dead, duh. They shot him and dumped him overboard.


Oh, and so in your world you only have one nephew?
 
2013-09-20 10:38:01 PM  
Google maps is getting your live traffic data from somewhere, guys.
 
2013-09-20 10:38:45 PM  

ThisIsntMe: Oh, and so in your world you only have one nephew?


The rest have had "accidents".
 
2013-09-20 10:44:10 PM  
Well crap.

3.872

time to go to the shop with it.
 
2013-09-20 10:46:50 PM  
The cities are missing  a marketing and revenue gimmick.  Put the ez pass reader at the entrance and exit of parking lots, and you can use your ez pass to pay without stopping and digging out cards, etc.   But this can easily expand to on-street, meter-free parking as well, and that parking can have variable rates depending on things like snow routes, pollution control days, where they pay you or don;t charge you, if you leave the car unused all day... local sports like a Cubs game in Wrigleyville, variable rate for local resident vs. visitor...   metal signs announce the rates, you decide if you wanna park there and for how long. Readers attached to passing busses and cabs or meter-maid cars circulate round the blocks and scan your pass every so often.

Turn this into a feature of commerce and convenience, and people will give up their privacy in a heartbeat. Willingly.
 
2013-09-20 10:47:34 PM  
So... can we trade police having access to an omnipresent traffic monitoring system for NOT GETTING AMBER ALERTS PUSHED TO MY PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE farkING NIGHT!
 
2013-09-20 10:49:35 PM  

baltimoreblonde: RoyBatty: Hermione_Granger: Ivo Shandor: It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.

I was thinking about this today. If had a decent enough high res photo of my license plate and put it beneath a holder - I think if it looked realistic enough, it could stand up to a visual test and beat the scanners because it would just be photo paper?

Just a theory....I'm willing to entertain all rejections as to why this wouldn't work.

[i.imgur.com image 620x729]

I call BS on that. As someone who's been caught by those damn cameras twice, I can say there's an easy way to prove it wasn't your vehicle: the images you get on the citation show not just the tag, but the car itself as well. Got some nice pics of my truck's rear end, and I'd know in a millisecond if it was my tag # on a different vehicle. Oh, yeah, I'd go to court on that one.


Well I suspect you should get off pretty easily but it's still a huge hassle and seems like a fun way to troll and payback the City Council, Chief of Police, etc.
 
2013-09-20 10:50:39 PM  

Daniels: Google maps is getting your live traffic data from somewhere, guys.


you mean its not from Arnie Pye in the sky?

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-09-20 10:52:21 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.


Your car radio can also be tracked. See how the ratings companies monitor actual radio listening habits. The BBC can do a similar thing with TV receivers.

/Not a tinfoil hat guy
 
2013-09-20 10:52:50 PM  
So this is how they get those real time traffic maps.  Cool.

I heard a bunch of government employees today complaining about how the government was going to use this to track them.  You work for the government, you jackholes.
 
2013-09-20 10:54:56 PM  
My podunk town of south nowheresville MA has had license plate scanners for quite a while.    They hoover up plate info wherever they drive including parking lots..... according to my cop buddies.
 
2013-09-20 10:57:50 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Ivo Shandor
It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.

I have read suggestions that RFID tags be put on license plates. Maybe you know something I don't but I won't take your word on it.


Optical character recognition is kind of old hat. It's been done on scanners for years. Scanners and copiers can also tell when you are trying to copy currency and either not allow it to happen, or distort the result for it to be unusable for counterfeiting.
 
2013-09-20 10:58:05 PM  

Strobeguy: Deep Contact: Creoena: Anyone who thinks the government and corporations are not spying on your every move is a fool.

/Nothing to see here
//Move along

Still not right. They work for us. If anyone needs tracking, it's them.

Thats why we have the second amendment


mass delusion.  we have guns so we have freedom!
 
2013-09-20 11:03:38 PM  

Hermione_Granger: I was thinking about this today. If had a decent enough high res photo of my license plate and put it beneath a holder - I think if it looked realistic enough, it could stand up to a visual test and beat the scanners because it would just be photo paper?  Just a theory....I'm willing to entertain all rejections as to why this wouldn't work.


It wouldn't work because while it's true that police departments disqualify applicants whose IQs are too high, they also won't hire complete retards.
 
2013-09-20 11:03:57 PM  
We've known this shiat for a decade, it was in the papers, people freaked out, etc.
 
2013-09-20 11:06:18 PM  
Why do people keep complaining about privacy?  The USA gave that up about 12 years ago.
 
2013-09-20 11:06:50 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: I don't see what the problem is.

If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?


You know how I know you're not Jewish?
 
2013-09-20 11:18:29 PM  

HairBolus: ISO15693: There are countless RFID systems using the UHF band around 900Mhz. You can buy UHF band detectors very cheaply, walk around any modern city or mall, and see for yourself. His detector would certainly "Moo" if he drove down my street, within 300 feet or so of my home office, yet it would have absolutely nothing to do with any of the fear-mongering claims he is making, absolutely nothing to do with EZ-pass- it would just be my own UHF rfid projects or possibly the local grocery store (many of those use UHF inventory control systems)

If I am "one of those guys", its only because this is my profession, and I make my living by being an expert in RFID systems. (ISO15693 is an RFID protocol in the HF 13.56 Mhz range, but I have been focused on long range UHF ~900 mhz rfid for the past 3 years, such as what the EZ-pass system uses)

This guy is very, very, silly. It's silliness crafted to generate fear and,,, wait a sec

You could try reading his DEFCON PDF. On page 85 he explains how he detects when the "active RDIF" is active and then shows photos of the readers that activate it.


That pdf negated the argument how?
 
2013-09-20 11:20:33 PM  
The Millennial Generation is ripe for the rise of authoritarianism. Most seem to have no concept of my ubiquitous surveillance is a bad thing.
 
2013-09-20 11:21:08 PM  

Prophet of Loss: The Millennial Generation is ripe for the rise of authoritarianism. Most seem to have no concept of why ubiquitous surveillance is a bad thing.

 
2013-09-20 11:22:33 PM  
I don't have a car so they can't track me and have no idea where I'm at hahahahaha

Hold on, my cell phone's ringing.
 
2013-09-20 11:27:54 PM  

AltheaToldMe: Mark Ratner: We're being tracked everywhere! I blame the jews and HAARP.

[www.historylives.com image 440x383]


www.bitlogic.com
 
2013-09-20 11:43:46 PM  
bicycles only
 
2013-09-20 11:45:41 PM  
I heard one has to pay the

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

to get into that boy's hole.
 
2013-09-20 11:56:45 PM  

Jim_Callahan: On the one hand, this use of the tags should be disclosed.

On the other hand, I don't think that people have a reasonable expectation of privacy regarding what they do with their 20-foot, two-ton metal vehicle with clear individual marks at both ends on roadways used by thousands or millions of other people.  It's a reasonable discussion to have, yes, thus the disclosure, but I don't think it's necessarily something one should automatically win.

ISO15693: I'm an RFID sw/fw engineer. My analogy was that many systems use UHF-band RFID carriers in the ~900 Mhz range, like the EZ-Pass, but that his "detection" system was only set up to notice UHF broadcasts in that frequency range, and may have had as little to do with EZ-Pass as your library card barcode does to your grocery store.

Firstly, there's no information in TFA about the device.  He may have been monitoring the device response itself, not general incoming signals. So it may be more specific than that.


He posted his schematics. The cow moos when the tag is read (ostensibly it's EPC) which would happen from any number of UHF systems broadcasting inventory commands. His cow would moo in walmart, or near a DHL office.

Secondly, the read distance on passive tags is something like 20 feet, so if you're driving around and getting pinged then it's probably something on the actual road.

The read distance of standard UHF tags in the 900Mhz range is up to about 30m or about 100 feet. That's for standard C1G2 passive tags. For C3, its 100 meters, but thats battery assisted passive, and fairly new. He

Thirdly, the news contacted NYC-DoT and the city told them that the readers were theirs and that they were using them to monitor vehicles.

Ok? Did they say whose vehicles? I've had RFID clients who use UHF to monitor their own fleets. I've helped install similar systems. Yes, it notices tags from other systems when they come by, but you know what?  - they ignore that data, because it isnt what they are concerned about. Most of the time the EPC code is utterly meaningless other than identifying the manufacturer of the IC embedded in the tag is (NXP, TI, Fujitsu, etc) - Fedex, DHL, UPS, and other uncountable shipping companies use rfid to track their fleets, pallets, people, all using tags that would be "read" just as an "EZ-Pass" tag would be "read". But the EPC data is only meaningful if it is cross referenced to some database. And any other data on the data isn't read in these inventory broadcasts - that would require additional, targeted commands. Making the jump that the type of "reading" that he detects is sinister is, like I mentioned, as silly as making the jump that your grocery store is spying on your reading habits because they both use barcodes. Vehicles already have licenses plates to identify the vehicle, and they can already be logged visually - at an even greater distance I might add.

Now, if you found evidence that your tags were being -written- to, that's a whole other kettle of fish.  That would require additional, deliberate, commands targeted at specific tags. But there isn't anything anywhere (that I've seen) to hint that this is happening. That would cause some raised eyebrows, but not just tags wandering into random UHF fields and being activated. Even crazy rfid time-cube guy with the screaming monkey and mooing cow doesn't make that claim.

This guy's website is entertaining, in a sort of "grandpa forgot his medication" sort of way.   "It will become obvious to "watchers" you aredoing this" ...."The Watchers".. nice.

... your professional credentials are rendered somewhat less impressive when they lead you to say obviously stupid shiat that anyone reading TFA would notice are incorrect.  You may not want to bring them up immediately upon being called out on something legitimately dumb.


Rendered less impressive to you, maybe. That's fine - I don't have any personal investment in your opinion. I'm just letting you know that from a professional RFID guy's perspective, this guy is loopy, and probably schizophrenic. (The last part is my wife's opinion, and that is HER area of expertise)
 
2013-09-20 11:59:13 PM  
A government agency exceeded its mandate? I'm shocked -- SHOCKED!
 
rpm
2013-09-21 12:06:50 AM  

freak7: If any of this were true, we'd certainly have had court cases where this data was used to aid a conviction.


You think?
 
2013-09-21 12:12:40 AM  

Man On Pink Corner: Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.


May have radios in your tires. The median car age in the US is about 2003 right now, which before the legislated TPMS phase-in even started in 2005. Some cars before then had them, but I suspect most didn't until the legislation took effect. If true, then if you select a random car off the road, it's more likely than not that it will not have TPMS.

And of course there's the range issue.
 
2013-09-21 12:14:31 AM  

ISO15693: This guy's website is entertaining, in a sort of "grandpa forgot his medication" sort of way. "It will become obvious to "watchers" you aredoing this" ...."The Watchers".. nice.


Always fun to read posts from engineers who read '1984' in college and realized it was more interesting than their EE textbooks.
 
2013-09-21 12:23:31 AM  

lifeboat: Is it also tracking my television viewing habits?

I knewthis would happen!


Never missed "Melrose Place" or "Lost In Space"
I've seen each "Amazing Race" and "Without A Trace"
But I only watched "Will And Grace" one time one day
Wish I hadn't 'cause E-ZPass now thinks I'm gay
 
2013-09-21 12:26:42 AM  

Mark Ratner: We're being tracked everywhere! I blame the jews and HAARP.


upload.wikimedia.org
What do  lamellophones have to do with it?
 
2013-09-21 12:28:19 AM  

styckx: They still aren't tracking my fapping habits though right?


1.bp.blogspot.com
You've been a very naughty boy.
 
2013-09-21 12:34:50 AM  

Oldiron_79: 1984 is now less dystopian than the current US.


Yeah, because we have to use razors for weeks on end, words are removed from use secretly, there is a video camera that can't be turned off looking at me at all times and yesterday someone strapped a rat cage to my face and farked up my ability to do basic arithmetic and made me think that one biatch gave me syph.

Man On Pink Corner: Always fun to read posts from engineers who read '1984' in college and realized thought it was more interesting than their EE textbooks.


Those are suck ass engineers if so.  Any decent EE knows Horowitz > Huxley > any boundary value problems book >> Orwell
 
2013-09-21 12:47:32 AM  

styckx: They still aren't tracking my fapping habits though right?


Ain't no 'puter large enough for that.

Or, my pron collection.
 
2013-09-21 12:52:41 AM  

gerbilpox: Man On Pink Corner: Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.

Damn, I'd never heard of those. And they're hackable too:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2010/08/cars-hacked-through-wireless -t yre-sensors/

Every time I read the news these days, I want to surround myself with another layer of Faraday cage.


Now they are tracking you as a hole in the background chatter.

Ask Kenneth what the frequency is, and adjust.
 
2013-09-21 12:56:55 AM  

RoomFullOfMonkeys: I think we could solve this with a simple compromise.  Anybody who works in any kind of occupation which tracks data on people should have all of their own personal information tracked and published in a central location.

Good for the goose and all that.

/no, not serious


Why not? Not just a central location but in the local newspaper. If their job is that important a little loss of privacy should be a small price to pay
 
2013-09-21 01:04:32 AM  
I wouldn't mind getting a detector the the FasTrak system used here in the San Francisco Bay Area.
 
2013-09-21 01:09:04 AM  
Well for those of us who aren't Liberals who masturbate at night thinking about red light cameras and tolls over every single inch of pavement, here you go:

http://www.stealthperformanceproducts.com/

Anti-Laser system:

http://shop.stealthperformanceproducts.com/Anti-Laser_c2.htm

Stealth license plates:

http://shop.stealthperformanceproducts.com/Stealth-License-Plate-5.h tm

And last but not least, buy a Valentine Radar detector.  I own all 3 of these.  Although my anti-laser cost upwards of about $1,200.00 that I found on a 1%er car forum.  My lefty leaning friends rage over my car.  They rage because I choose to not conform to the ways we police and info gather.  It's all in the name of control, and power.  Politicians do not care about you, they want your money.  I am not going to get a 43 in a 35 speeding ticket because some douchebag cop had a quota to fill instead of raiding the meth house down the street.  I'm not going to pay for a red light camera ticket because instead of spending the money they get from gas taxes and licensing fees to repair roads, they pay off union bosses that got em elected and build billion dollar light raid systems that move 10 people at a time while the rest of us are in gridlock.

The air pollution from the Smug that comes out of a Prius owner's ass has nothing on me.  Your butthurt tears sustain me.
 
2013-09-21 02:28:14 AM  

snocone: Slowly I turned...step by step...inch by inch...,"


I used to say that to my very young kids when we were playing monster chase.
 
2013-09-21 02:30:41 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Ivo Shandor
It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.

I have read suggestions that RFID tags be put on license plates. Maybe you know something I don't but I won't take your word on it.


The cameras work pretty damned well. However, you have to have a line of sight on the plate, which you can't always get.
 
2013-09-21 03:02:23 AM  

ciberido: styckx: They still aren't tracking my fapping habits though right?


You've been a very naughty boy.


That's the first time I've seen a man wearing glasses frames from the Sophia Loren collection.
 
2013-09-21 03:03:31 AM  

Satanic panic in the attic: Just get it over with already and microchip us all.


Embedded RFID has a very short read range. It's a lot better to use biometrics. Cheaper, too.

Heck, with sensor fusion and a lot of compute power (yay graphics chips!) you can merge several cheap camera feeds together to create a much higher pseudo-resolution, you can read iris prints from people, moving, at a distance. I've seen a demo. THAT kicked ass. Not very utopian, but it was masterful.
 
2013-09-21 03:04:15 AM  
High-end cars with GPS as standard are also being fitted with systems that feed back data on things like when the windscreen wipers are being switched on, when the ABS is activated, and so on. This is then used for live traffic information on weather and road conditions.  http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/06/inrix-real-time/
 
2013-09-21 05:48:33 AM  

rpm: freak7: If any of this were true, we'd certainly have had court cases where this data was used to aid a conviction.

You think?


Nothing in that story says they were tracking it outside of toll booths.
 
2013-09-21 06:22:18 AM  

pjbreeze: Why do people keep complaining about privacy?  The USA gave that up about 12 years ago.


That should read "Why are people still surprised by a lack of privacy?". You wouldn't kill a Jew just because the world seemed to give up on not doing that decades ago, would you?

Well maybe you would, but in any case, the answer isn't simply "give up and accept it". It should never be accepted.
 
2013-09-21 06:28:33 AM  
GOOD!

I go back and forth using my EZPass like Clockwork.If I'm ever accused of a Crime somewhere they can see that I'm at Work almost every Goddamn Day! Same with cell phone tracking. Basically if I'm not Home, I'm at Work. I have no Life anymore. I don't have the Time to break the Law doing anything I'm Not supposed to be doing anywhere. Go ahead look up anything you want, all that will do is show how Pathetic my life has become.

So There!
 
2013-09-21 06:53:06 AM  

RoyBatty: Hermione_Granger: Ivo Shandor: It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.

I was thinking about this today. If had a decent enough high res photo of my license plate and put it beneath a holder - I think if it looked realistic enough, it could stand up to a visual test and beat the scanners because it would just be photo paper?

Just a theory....I'm willing to entertain all rejections as to why this wouldn't work.

[i.imgur.com image 620x729]


I wasn't so much thinking of the traffic and red light cams. I was thinking of the license plates scanners police use. But this was a pretty cool article.
 
2013-09-21 07:21:51 AM  

RoyBatty: baltimoreblonde: RoyBatty: Hermione_Granger: Ivo Shandor: It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.

I was thinking about this today. If had a decent enough high res photo of my license plate and put it beneath a holder - I think if it looked realistic enough, it could stand up to a visual test and beat the scanners because it would just be photo paper?

Just a theory....I'm willing to entertain all rejections as to why this wouldn't work.

[i.imgur.com image 620x729]

I call BS on that. As someone who's been caught by those damn cameras twice, I can say there's an easy way to prove it wasn't your vehicle: the images you get on the citation show not just the tag, but the car itself as well. Got some nice pics of my truck's rear end, and I'd know in a millisecond if it was my tag # on a different vehicle. Oh, yeah, I'd go to court on that one.

Well I suspect you should get off pretty easily but it's still a huge hassle and seems like a fun way to troll and payback the City Council, Chief of Police, etc.


True dat. But since I freely admit to a lead foot, I paid the ticket (40 bucks) just to be done with it. I'd only raise hell if it wasn't my vehicle that tripped the camera in the first place. Cie la vie.
 
2013-09-21 07:55:45 AM  
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2013-09-21 08:07:23 AM  

SevenizGud: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?

Because I don't want my parents to find out that I drive every Tuesday to the pancreatic cancer clinic? Jus' sayin'


Oh dayum. Even if snark, that's depressing.
 
2013-09-21 08:38:02 AM  

freak7: What I'd like to see them do is use EZ Pass to issue speeding tickets.


What I'd like to see them do is actually ticket people who drive in a dangerous manner, rather than people who break some sort of arbitrary limit.

/silly me.
 
2013-09-21 09:10:50 AM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: How else can measure our infinite freedom, besides tracking it?

If we don't spy on ourselves then you'd be paying 10 for a banana and the terrorist would have won and God cant destroy evil without destroying all the evil people and stuff.


I like that, and think I'll use it.

Thanks
 
2013-09-21 09:35:42 AM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: And people laughed at us librarians when we tried to explain how this would happen because of the nature of information and the ubiquity of information sharing and curiosity...


They just laughing at you because you're a librarian. It didn't have anything thing to do with that other stuff.
 
2013-09-21 09:36:50 AM  
Welcome to the 21st century!
 
2013-09-21 10:07:19 AM  
We have to know what your doing at all times so you don't know what we're doing.
 
2013-09-21 11:00:55 AM  
Just like Global Warming, we need a start point to go from, if you wish to measure the wane of personal liberty.

We really don't need either, but these are the times.
 
2013-09-21 11:06:18 AM  

wildcardjack: So... can we trade police having access to an omnipresent traffic monitoring system for NOT GETTING AMBER ALERTS PUSHED TO MY PHONE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE farkING NIGHT!


I don't know about your phone, but my phone has the ability to turn that crap off.

/ And an 'OFF' switch and removable battery for those times I really don't want to be bothered.
 
2013-09-21 11:44:58 AM  
www.massiveink.com
 
2013-09-21 01:27:22 PM  
huuhaablog.files.wordpress.com

That is all.
 
2013-09-21 02:16:15 PM  

Macular Degenerate: And people said I was crazy when I didn't get an EZ Pass tag because they saved you 10% off your tolls. I'd rather preserve my privacy than sell it for $0.10 per transaction.


Do you carry a cell phone?  They are tracking that.  Do you have license plates on your car?  They are tracking that.  Use a credit or debit card?  Should I go on?

I think the nature of technology is that once people know how to do it, you can't stop it.  We may be better off if the nuclear bomb hadn't been invented, but you can't put that cat back in the bag.

Computers make it possible to do a lot of tracking, and like it or not, that is going to happen.

To me, fighting to stop it isn't worthwhile.  Better would be to fight on reasonable limits on who has access to the data.  It's all getting stored in a big database (technically several different databases.)  That data shouldn't be available to everyone.  It should only be available to certain law enforcement officers, and there should be a process involved that requires a warrant and oversight.  Nobody, law enforcement or not, should be able to use it to track, oh, say their ex wife or the hot girl that lives down the street, for instance.  Nobody should be able to look up anyone they personally know.

I'm sort of surprised that they haven't started putting RFID and easy-scan technology into the registration stickers we have to put on our windshields.  I figure it's just a matter of time.
 
2013-09-21 02:36:59 PM  
ISO15693:

Oh wow, a condescending "expert" who is more concerned about his image as an expert than actually knowing what he is talking about, or being flat out wrong.

 I'm an RFID sw/fw engineer. My analogy was that many systems use UHF-band RFID carriers in the ~900 Mhz range, like the EZ-Pass, but that his "detection" system was only set up to notice UHF broadcasts in that frequency range, and may have had as little to do with EZ-Pass as your library card barcode does to your grocery store.


Firstly, there's no information in TFA about the device.  He may have been monitoring the device response itself, not general incoming signals. So it may be more specific than that.

He posted his schematics. The cow moos when the tag is read (ostensibly it's EPC) which would happen from any number of UHF systems broadcasting inventory commands. His cow would moo in walmart, or near a DHL office.

Secondly, the read distance on passive tags is something like 20 feet, so if you're driving around and getting pinged then it's probably something on the actual road.

The read distance of standard UHF tags in the 900Mhz range is up to about 30m or about 100 feet. That's for standard C1G2 passive tags. For C3, its 100 meters, but thats battery assisted passive, and fairly new. He

Thirdly, the news contacted NYC-DoT and the city told them that the readers were theirs and that they were using them to monitor vehicles.

Ok? Did they say whose vehicles? I've had RFID clients who use UHF to monitor their own fleets. I've helped install similar systems. Yes, it notices tags from other systems when they come by, but you know what?  - they ignore that data, because it isnt what they are concerned about. Most of the time the EPC code is utterly meaningless other than identifying the manufacturer of the IC embedded in the tag is (NXP, TI, Fujitsu, etc) - Fedex, DHL, UPS, and other uncountable shipping companies use rfid to track their fleets, pallets, people, all using tags that would be "read" just as an "EZ-Pass" tag would be "read". But the EPC data is only meaningful if it is cross referenced to some database. And any other data on the data isn't read in these inventory broadcasts - that would require additional, targeted commands. Making the jump that the type of "reading" that he detects is sinister is, like I mentioned, as silly as making the jump that your grocery store is spying on your reading habits because they both use barcodes. Vehicles already have licenses plates to identify the vehicle, and they can already be logged visually - at an even greater distance I might add.

Now, if you found evidence that your tags were being -written- to, that's a whole other kettle of fish.  That would require additional, deliberate, commands targeted at specific tags. But there isn't anything anywhere (that I've seen) to hint that this is happening. That would cause some raised eyebrows, but not just tags wandering into random UHF fields and being activated. Even crazy rfid time-cube guy with the screaming monkey and mooing cow doesn't make that claim.

This guy's website is entertaining, in a sort of "grandpa forgot his medication" sort of way.   "It will become obvious to "watchers" you aredoing this" ...."The Watchers".. nice.

I'm just letting you know that from a professional RFID guy's perspective, this guy is loopy, and probably schizophrenic. (The last part is my wife's opinion, and that is HER area of expertise)


Read the Forbes article: "E-ZPasses Get Read All Over New York (Not Just At Toll Booths)". It contains links to all the relevant pages and some investigative journalism.

Yes, E-ZPass readers are installed in the streets of NYC. NY DoT says they are used for collecting traffic information. pukingmonkey found readers that would set off his detectors.

b-i.forbesimg.com

They are made by TransCore.
TransCore, a company that makes the RFID readers that New York is using to pick up on E-ZPasses, was more forthcoming. A 2013 case study from the company notes that the $50 million project to improve traffic congestion in New York also involved the installation of a network of traffic microwave sensors, and has been successful enough that the city plans to expand it another 270 blocks.
"The tag ID is scrambled to make it anonymous.  The scrambled ID is held in dynamic memory for several minutes to compare with other sightings from other readers strategically placed for the purpose of measuring travel times which are then averaged to develop an understanding of traffic conditions," says TransCore spokesperson Barbara Catlin by email. "Travel times are used to estimate average speeds for general traveler information and performance metrics.  Tag sightings (reads) age off the system after several minutes or after they are paired and are not stored because they are of no value. Hence the system cannot identify the tag user and does not keep any record of the tag sightings."


ISO15693  says: "This guy's website is entertaining, in a sort of "grandpa forgot his medication" sort of way."

What website are you talking about you condescending twat? All I know about is his DEFCON presentation and his twitter feed. Do you need to make up imaginary things so you can feel that you are superior while ignoring that there is a network of TransCore readers in NYC?
 
2013-09-21 08:05:22 PM  

Huggermugger: ciberido: styckx: They still aren't tracking my fapping habits though right?


You've been a very naughty boy.

That's the first time I've seen a man wearing glasses frames from the Sophia Loren collection.


Real Genius was released in 1985.  Fashion was considerably more unisex then.
 
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