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(My Fox NY)   Remember when they said your E-ZPass wasn't used to track anything but your tolls on toll roads? Yeah, about that   (myfoxny.com) divider line 163
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2013-09-20 08:47:06 PM  
Is it also tracking my television viewing habits?

I knewthis would happen!

/drtfa
 
2013-09-20 08:48:42 PM  
it's for your own good, citizens
 
2013-09-20 08:49:31 PM  
We're being tracked everywhere! I blame the jews and HAARP.
 
2013-09-20 08:50:03 PM  
Anyone who thinks the government and corporations are not spying on your every move is a fool.

/Nothing to see here
//Move along
 
2013-09-20 08:51:10 PM  
It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.
 
2013-09-20 08:51:55 PM  
I think we could solve this with a simple compromise.  Anybody who works in any kind of occupation which tracks data on people should have all of their own personal information tracked and published in a central location.

Good for the goose and all that.

/no, not serious
 
2013-09-20 08:54:29 PM  
You might be able to convince me that the folks who originally wanted to implement the system honestly had no intent to do anything but collecting tolls. However, you'd have to be really farking naive to think that you could create a system capable of tracking people and nobody would eventually take advantage of it.
 
2013-09-20 08:56:43 PM  
They still aren't tracking my fapping habits though right?
 
2013-09-20 08:56:56 PM  
You'd best start believing in dystopian futures...YOU"RE IN ONE!!!111!!
 
2013-09-20 08:57:05 PM  
NYc is likely going to institute a midtown toll/fare for taxis during peak hours, similar to what exists in Singapore. 

Or maybe there are reverse vampires working at the NSA who want to read your thoughts.
 
2013-09-20 08:57:37 PM  
Anyone who has watched Law & Order during the last twenty years knows that EZ Pass technology will confirm you at a time and location.

But it would be a good question to find out of those 'traffic pattern monitoring tools' apart from the tolls can identity a specific name/vehicle/location/time.

Or is this another example of 'metadata' bullshiat.
 
2013-09-20 08:58:23 PM  
My EZ Pass is wrapped up in it's metallic bag in the storage compartment of the center console.

I attach it to my window when I happen to be going on a toll road.

Doesn't the police already keep track our location by reading our license plates with cameras on the back of police cars and at traffic lights?
 
2013-09-20 08:58:55 PM  
How else can measure our infinite freedom, besides tracking it?

If we don't spy on ourselves then you'd be paying 10 for a banana and the terrorist would have won and God cant destroy evil without destroying all the evil people and stuff.
 
2013-09-20 08:58:58 PM  
Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.
 
2013-09-20 08:59:27 PM  
What are these "toll roads" you speak of?  Here in Colorado we just pay taxes for the roads we all use.

/ok, we have like two toll roads - no one uses them
 
2013-09-20 09:00:14 PM  
Slowly I turned...step by step...inch by inch...,"
 
2013-09-20 09:00:55 PM  
In the late 90's my boss used to get speeding tickets in the mail.  Some of the employees would average 78-85 mph going from the Battery tunnel to the Verrazano bridge. No points because they couldn't prove who was driving, but a big enough fine that the employee worked for free that day.  I think my dad got a couple NYS Thruway tickets the same way.

/bsb
 
2013-09-20 09:00:57 PM  
My friend got a speeding ticket issued because she closed the gap between one toll plaza and the next too fast, and the EZ Pass decided her average speed required for those timestamps was above the limit.
 
2013-09-20 09:01:15 PM  
Ivo Shandor
It doesn't really matter any more. License plate readers are good enough that you don't need dedicated RF transmitters.


I have read suggestions that RFID tags be put on license plates. Maybe you know something I don't but I won't take your word on it.
 
2013-09-20 09:01:16 PM  
I don't see what the problem is.

If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?
 
2013-09-20 09:01:31 PM  
Oh bullshiat, it's obviously reacting to one of hundreds of signals zipping around.
 
2013-09-20 09:03:18 PM  
My library card has a barcode on it - but I recently discovered my grocery store uses barcode scanners! - just what are they doing with this information? And why does the grocery store want to know my reading habits? SECRET GOVERNMENT INTELLIGENCE PROGRAMS!

/roll eyes
 
2013-09-20 09:04:06 PM  
kestas.kuliukas.com
 
2013-09-20 09:05:40 PM  

awalkingecho: My friend got a speeding ticket issued because she closed the gap between one toll plaza and the next too fast, and the EZ Pass decided her average speed required for those timestamps was above the limit.


whoa
 
2013-09-20 09:06:00 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: If you're not doing anything wrong, why have a problem with being tracked everywhere you go?


Because I don't want my parents to find out that I drive every Tuesday to the pancreatic cancer clinic? Jus' sayin'
 
2013-09-20 09:06:18 PM  
What I'd like to see them do is use EZ Pass to issue speeding tickets.
 
2013-09-20 09:06:30 PM  
Man On Pink Corner
Could just as easily use TPMS. Google it: you have radios in your tires.

For OEM auto dTPMS units to work properly, they need to recognize the sensor positions and have to ignore the signals from other vehicles' sensors.


So based on the type of vehicle, it could use a specific frequency or something like a specific MAC address.
 
2013-09-20 09:07:25 PM  
I'm glad I lived most of my life during a less populated, less regimented time.   There ain't no massa over Jordan.
 
2013-09-20 09:07:56 PM  

freak7: What I'd like to see them do is use EZ Pass to issue speeding tickets.


I'd like microphones almost everywhere, and noise ordinance violations enforced.
 
2013-09-20 09:08:05 PM  
Jeebus, I can't worry about EZ Pass technology tracking me when I'm already being tracked by my cell phone, locations when I use my credit card, red light cameras, CCTV, building security passes...
 
2013-09-20 09:08:07 PM  

LeroyB: My EZ Pass is wrapped up in it's metallic bag in the storage compartment of the center console.

Consider who provided that metallic 'signal blocking bag' to you.
 
2013-09-20 09:08:19 PM  

Creoena: Anyone who thinks the government and corporations are not spying on your every move is a fool.

/Nothing to see here
//Move along


Still not right. They work for us. If anyone needs tracking, it's them.
 
2013-09-20 09:08:31 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.


TPMS has an effective active read range of about 5 inches even with the best receivers I have seen.

That's with a full battery.

/need to buy new units for my 9 year old car. The batteries in mine are dead.
 
2013-09-20 09:09:38 PM  
Next time you drive on any interstate, pay attention. There are cameras and various sensors everywhere. There main purpose is likely for traffic control but I'm sure if the various agencies want the information they can get it.
 
2013-09-20 09:09:50 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: What are these "toll roads" you speak of?  Here in Colorado we just pay taxes for the roads we all use.

/ok, we have like two toll roads - no one uses them


Not my state; we get to use shiny EZ Passes in my area come February because a referendum to increase the sales tax for road projects failed some years ago.  Not sure if voters were expecting the state to white knight the project or were afraid any revenue collected would have been used elsewhere.
 
2013-09-20 09:10:23 PM  

Enemabag Jones: I have read suggestions that RFID tags be put on license plates. Maybe you know something I don't but I won't take your word on it.


I suspect most of that is just lobbying from the companies who sell RFID hardware.

Vancouver's new toll bridge offers an optional RFID decal, but if you don't have one (which I don't) they use the plate number. It's not 100% accurate but it's close enough for government work.
 
2013-09-20 09:11:28 PM  
Meh. Once the EMP device goes off over Kansas, it'll all be rendered moot anyway.
 
2013-09-20 09:11:47 PM  
Houston has been doing this for at least 5-6 years, and even told us about it when they started doing it. Not sure why they think this is "News".
 
2013-09-20 09:13:25 PM  
Ivo Shandor  ,
I suspect most of that is just lobbying from the companies who sell RFID hardware.
Vancouver's new

Makes sense.  Thanks for the reference.
 
2013-09-20 09:15:34 PM  

big pig peaches: Next time you drive on any interstate, pay attention. There are cameras and various sensors everywhere. There main purpose is likely for traffic control but I'm sure if the various agencies want the information they can get it.


I hate those damned K-band solar powered radar units ohio has on all the highways.

I know that traffic flow rate is useful to google for travel time and traffic updates (thats what they told us they use them for) but they have made my radar detector useless.

(I wonder how constant k-band radar bombardment of the public, which is potentially hazardous, is legal for profit)
 
2013-09-20 09:15:57 PM  

awalkingecho: My friend got a speeding ticket issued because she closed the gap between one toll plaza and the next too fast, and the EZ Pass decided her average speed required for those timestamps was above the limit.


They used to do that (maybe they still do it) on the Ohio and Pennsylvania Turnpikes with the regular paper tickets. The tickets are timestamped when you receive them so they can tell your average speed when you give back the ticket to pay the toll.
 
2013-09-20 09:17:21 PM  
Use google maps?  Got location turned on?
Same thing.
 
2013-09-20 09:17:36 PM  

Mark Ratner: We're being tracked everywhere! I blame the jews and HAARP.


www.historylives.com
 
2013-09-20 09:17:42 PM  
Yep. It used to beep everytime I went into San Jose Airport and I was not surprised they didn't announce that little nugget.
 
2013-09-20 09:18:16 PM  

ISO15693: My library card has a barcode on it - but I recently discovered my grocery store uses barcode scanners! - just what are they doing with this information? And why does the grocery store want to know my reading habits? SECRET GOVERNMENT INTELLIGENCE PROGRAMS!

/roll eyes


^There's always these people.  You just can't accept the fact that these things matter, so you make light of them.
 
2013-09-20 09:18:49 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Could just as easily use TPMS.  Google it: you have radios in your tires.


Damn, I'd never heard of those. And they're hackable too:
http://arstechnica.com/security/2010/08/cars-hacked-through-wireless -t yre-sensors/

Every time I read the news these days, I want to surround myself with another layer of Faraday cage.
 
2013-09-20 09:19:34 PM  
There are drive thrus that use it to pay for your orders.
 
2013-09-20 09:22:16 PM  
Just get it over with already and microchip us all.
 
2013-09-20 09:22:22 PM  
And GPS sytems will only be used to tax you on the miles you drive

Bay Area Drivers Could Be Tracked By GPS, Taxed Per Mile Driven
 
2013-09-20 09:23:48 PM  
1984 is now less dystopian than the current US.
 
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