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2013-09-20 05:17:34 PM
Imagine changing a tire in that muck.
 
2013-09-20 05:57:32 PM
Also shows what you can do with skinny tires and a closed (locked) differential.
 
2013-09-20 05:59:58 PM
And Texas is returning to that.
 
2013-09-20 07:16:18 PM
Eddie Shore once drove from Montreal to Boston on those roads for a hockey game.  In a blizzard.  I still have no idea how.
 
2013-09-20 07:20:05 PM
Roads? Where we're going, we don't need roads.
 
2013-09-20 07:22:00 PM
and oh how the farmers complained and whined about their taxes going up
 
2013-09-20 07:22:50 PM
SUV?

I'd love to see a Toyota Highlander conquer that.
 
2013-09-20 07:23:42 PM

2wolves: And Texas is returning to that.


What u talkin' about, 2wolves. Texas has some of the best roads I've seen, really.

Outside of Utah. I've never seen better built or cleaner roads than Utah.
 
2013-09-20 07:26:42 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-09-20 07:36:05 PM

Flappyhead: Eddie Shore once drove from Montreal to Boston on those roads for a hockey game.  In a blizzard.  I still have no idea how.


Plastered.
 
zez
2013-09-20 07:44:08 PM
I'm pretty sure that was just people messing around to see what these new machines could do. Reminded me of the early days of mountain biking.
 
2013-09-20 07:45:41 PM
And you thought your commute to work sucked.
 
2013-09-20 07:47:30 PM
The wussies that drive SUVs today wouldn't think of driving on roads like that. The poor thing might get dirty.
 
2013-09-20 07:54:14 PM
I do not even think my stock Cherokee could do that. At least not in 2wd..
 
2013-09-20 07:58:37 PM
Why are old films always digitized with FPS set too high?
 
2013-09-20 08:04:59 PM
[meanwhileinamerica.jpg] the 1920s edition.

And weren't we already supposed be better than everyone else in Earth?  Yee.  Haw.
 
2013-09-20 08:16:52 PM

Flappyhead: Eddie Shore once drove from Montreal to Boston on those roads for a hockey game.  In a blizzard.  I still have no idea how.


Tim Horton pulled that between Toronto and Buffalo after a game one night. Neither he or his Javelin made it.  I bet there are a lot of ex-players that wish Eddie had had the same luck.
 
2013-09-20 08:26:04 PM

sno man: Flappyhead: Eddie Shore once drove from Montreal to Boston on those roads for a hockey game.  In a blizzard.  I still have no idea how.

Tim Horton pulled that between Toronto and Buffalo after a game one night. Neither he or his Javelin made it.  I bet there are a lot of ex-players that wish Eddie had had the same luck.


Look, just because he made Brina Kilrea play with a broken jaw, tied a noose around his goalies neck during practice, suspended players to lower payroll, traded Don Cherry on Christmas Eve, made players skate untilt they dropped, injured them with his own brand of chiropractory(?)....um, where was I going with this?
 
2013-09-20 08:26:25 PM
 
2013-09-20 08:27:17 PM

sno man: Flappyhead: Eddie Shore once drove from Montreal to Boston on those roads for a hockey game.  In a blizzard.  I still have no idea how.

Tim Horton pulled that between Toronto and Buffalo after a game one night. Neither he or his Javelin made it.  I bet there are a lot of ex-players that wish Eddie had had the same luck.


And thus was born the "Tim Bit".
 
2013-09-20 08:38:08 PM
Hmmm. I think my Durango could make it, might be more comfortable to use the 4-Lo setting on the transfer case going down that big hill though. Don't know if it would tolerate getting flipped though. That bastard weighs 5000 pounds, three guys aren't going to put that thing greasy side down again.

It would suck mightily to have to make a drive like that though.
 
2013-09-20 08:56:39 PM

uber humper: 2wolves: And Texas is returning to that.

What u talkin' about, 2wolves. Texas has some of the best roads I've seen, really.


They're cutting back on all that:

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/08/25/5106909/officials-want-txdot -t o-delay.html
 
2013-09-20 08:58:34 PM
A few more years of Conservative/TEA Party budget management and the roads in American will be like that again.
 
2013-09-20 09:02:43 PM
Ironically, cyclists were lobbying for improved roads before cars were even a thing.

http://www.bikeleague.org/join
 
2013-09-20 09:03:37 PM
Now we're just the bastard stepchildren...
 
2013-09-20 09:07:02 PM
One of these days, when gasoline is $20/gallon, some of you will join us, and it will be much more pleasant to ride on the roads.

Until then, I'll keep sucking on your tailpipe emissions while enjoying my ride anyway.

cold dead fingers and all that...
 
2013-09-20 09:10:31 PM
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2013-09-20 09:17:19 PM

ParadisePornoTheater: [meanwhileinamerica.jpg] the 1920s edition.

And weren't we already supposed be better than everyone else in Earth?  Yee.  Haw.


Notice the railroad viaducts in a few of those scenes? Rail was still king all over the world in the 20's. Construction of the Autobahn didn't even really get into gear until the mid 30s, several years after the Nazis took power.
 
2013-09-20 09:28:18 PM
That was going on in the 1940's in Southern Oregon and Northern California. When the "State of Jefferson" was declared, they had slogans like:

"OUR ROADS ARE NOT PASSABLE, HARDLY JACKASSABLE"
"THE PROMISED LAND -- OUR ROADS ARE PAVED WITH PROMISES."

"IF OUR ROADS YOU WOULD TRAVEL, BRING YOUR OWN GRAVEL."
 
2013-09-20 09:35:48 PM

rick42: uber humper: 2wolves: And Texas is returning to that.

What u talkin' about, 2wolves. Texas has some of the best roads I've seen, really.

They're cutting back on all that:

http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/08/25/5106909/officials-want-txdot -t o-delay.html


Just wait until a flash flood hits gravel roads.
 
2013-09-20 09:36:47 PM
In Boardwalk Empire everyone who stops to change a tire gets murdered. They sure could have used an Armada.
 
2013-09-20 09:44:16 PM
503 / Server Unavailable And apparently their links are just as good as they were back in 1920
 
2013-09-20 09:49:01 PM
A lot of the reason roads were such crap back then was due to horses. This isn't criticism just a fact. Their hooves cut into the ground and given enough time will rough up a road really bad. As an offroader it is frustrating when we get blocked from accessing trails but they leave them open for atvs and horses. They are just as bad if not worse on trails. Granted they are not as wide but practicing tread lightly that shouldn't be an issue.
 
2013-09-20 09:57:02 PM

chewd: instantwin: Why are old films always digitized with FPS set too high?

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/973/why-is-the-action-in-ol d- silent-movies-so-fast


That explains why most DVD releases have that problem.  Youtube on the other hand... I've uploaded things there with FPSes as low as 11 and not had problems.

And that link gives some bad info regarding the method that can be used to preserve film speed.  In the old days, yeah, sure, you had to manually duplicate the frames to preserve the framerate.  Now on the other hand you just take any halfway decent MPEG-2/4 encoder, feed it a clip played at the proper speed and tell it to output at a specific fps.  It'll do the frame duplication automatically.

These days, the only reason is because whoever transferred it couldn't be bothered to tick the few checkboxes required to make it play back at the proper framerate.
 
2013-09-20 10:40:46 PM
I cannot help but wonder...

I have a Volvo XC70 wagon. Has a two inch lift kit. Which isn't much I know, but I bought it that way and somebody must have thought it was a good idea. Has all wheel drive and the ability to go from an automatic to a manual transmission. And it has a low gear for situations demanding extra traction.

I wonder how it'd do on those roads.

/Drove it through a flooded area with water deep enough to go halfway up the tire.
//Did just fine.
///I love my car so much. Sorry.
 
2013-09-20 10:46:08 PM

ty stick: In Boardwalk Empire everyone who stops to change a tire gets murdered. They sure could have used an Armada.


=======

It's a Jersey thing.
 
2013-09-20 10:50:39 PM
CSB time...

My granddad drove in crap like that, just giving his little car hell. When it would start knocking and clattering, he probably had a rod 'bearing' out. He'd straddle a ditch somewhere (for ease of access), drop the oil pan, pull the affected rod, and re-wrap the crank journal with a strip of leather he had stored in a can of pig fat (he cut and tanned all his own leather, because money). He'd bolt the pan back up without spilling the oil in it, fire up the car, and be back on his way.

He had significant oil and gas holdings and traveled between fields in those POS cars from the Texas panhandle to southwestern Oklahoma... sometimes stopping to bag a deer on his way back home for munchies, and more leather.
 
2013-09-20 10:53:23 PM
Ever see a real Model T in the flesh?  First thing you notice is how high the thing is.  Then have a look at garages built between 1920 and 1940, or so.  Today a standard residential garage door is 8ft wide by 7ft high.  Back in the day the standard door was 8'X8'.

Oh, your heads would implode if you saw what it took to start and drive a Model T.

/Get off my lawn
 
2013-09-20 10:56:32 PM

Fissile: Ever see a real Model T in the flesh?  First thing you notice is how high the thing is.  Then have a look at garages built between 1920 and 1940, or so.  Today a standard residential garage door is 8ft wide by 7ft high.  Back in the day the standard door was 8'X8'.

Oh, your heads would implode if you saw what it took to start and drive a Model T.

/Get off my lawn


I have hand cranked a car. Almost broke my arm too when the engine caught and turned over.

Little kids are useful for all kinds of things!
 
2013-09-20 11:10:19 PM

Veteran of the Cola Wars: I cannot help but wonder...

I have a Volvo XC70 wagon. Has a two inch lift kit. Which isn't much I know, but I bought it that way and somebody must have thought it was a good idea. Has all wheel drive and the ability to go from an automatic to a manual transmission. And it has a low gear for situations demanding extra traction.

I wonder how it'd do on those roads.

/Drove it through a flooded area with water deep enough to go halfway up the tire.
//Did just fine.
///I love my car so much. Sorry.


You should take it stump jumping to see how it performs.
 
2013-09-20 11:18:43 PM
yukichigai:

These days, the only reason is because whoever transferred it couldn't be bothered to tick the few checkboxes required to make it play back at the proper framerate.

Pretty much yep... its the same reason that everything on teevee is stretched... some teevee network tech cant be bothered to read up on the concept of "aspect ratios".
 
2013-09-20 11:22:54 PM

Kenny B: Veteran of the Cola Wars: I cannot help but wonder...

I have a Volvo XC70 wagon. Has a two inch lift kit. Which isn't much I know, but I bought it that way and somebody must have thought it was a good idea. Has all wheel drive and the ability to go from an automatic to a manual transmission. And it has a low gear for situations demanding extra traction.

I wonder how it'd do on those roads.

/Drove it through a flooded area with water deep enough to go halfway up the tire.
//Did just fine.
///I love my car so much. Sorry.

You should take it stump jumping to see how it performs.


I live in Greenville SC. We have pot holes with Smart cars way, way down at the bottom. Some of the roads are downright apocalyptic, as anybody else who lives in this area can bear witness to the fact.

Would going stump jumping be that much different? Been through mud, floods, and Berea. Sorry, I do not know how to explain Berea. Other than you'd have to live here.

Oh, and we have that horrible sticky red clay mud here. Anybody else share my loathing of that stuff? It never washes out or goes away. When the roads flood and wash out there can be a foot of red clay mud. I've seen quite a few SUVs bog down in that stuff.

Oh, and thanks!
 
2013-09-20 11:36:03 PM

Veteran of the Cola Wars: I cannot help but wonder...

I have a Volvo XC70 wagon. Has a two inch lift kit. Which isn't much I know, but I bought it that way and somebody must have thought it was a good idea. Has all wheel drive and the ability to go from an automatic to a manual transmission. And it has a low gear for situations demanding extra traction.

I wonder how it'd do on those roads.

/Drove it through a flooded area with water deep enough to go halfway up the tire.
//Did just fine.
///I love my car so much. Sorry.


I wish I could put a lift kit on my AWD S60. I get that little bastard into places my friends with SUV's don't dare to go. Sure,I go slower than shiat and pick every single rock that my tires roll over and it may take me 10 minutes to go a mile, but whatever. I get there. A lift kit would speed up the process.
 
2013-09-20 11:37:15 PM

Veteran of the Cola Wars: Kenny B: Veteran of the Cola Wars: I cannot help but wonder...

I have a Volvo XC70 wagon. Has a two inch lift kit. Which isn't much I know, but I bought it that way and somebody must have thought it was a good idea. Has all wheel drive and the ability to go from an automatic to a manual transmission. And it has a low gear for situations demanding extra traction.

I wonder how it'd do on those roads.

/Drove it through a flooded area with water deep enough to go halfway up the tire.
//Did just fine.
///I love my car so much. Sorry.

You should take it stump jumping to see how it performs.

I live in Greenville SC. We have pot holes with Smart cars way, way down at the bottom. Some of the roads are downright apocalyptic, as anybody else who lives in this area can bear witness to the fact.

Would going stump jumping be that much different? Been through mud, floods, and Berea. Sorry, I do not know how to explain Berea. Other than you'd have to live here.

Oh, and we have that horrible sticky red clay mud here. Anybody else share my loathing of that stuff? It never washes out or goes away. When the roads flood and wash out there can be a foot of red clay mud. I've seen quite a few SUVs bog down in that stuff.

Oh, and thanks!


I'm from WNC mountains. Get on a forest service road and you may be walking back out. Saw your profile. Dammit man. Hang in there. Your welcome.
 
2013-09-21 12:29:50 AM

Ruthven13: I do not even think my stock Cherokee could do that. At least not in 2wd..


You'll have to be more specific, my 4.0L XJ could handle that.
 
2013-09-21 12:30:59 AM

baka-san: Also shows what you can do with skinny tires and a closed (locked) differential.


In standard form, family cars of the '20s did not have either locked or limited-slip differentials. Their ability to handle mud and off-road conditions was pretty much all down to high ground clearance and tall skinny tires. They did remarkably well despite being strictly 2wd with open diffs. If conditions got really bad they would wind bits of rope around the tires for extra traction. Mind you, judging from the way the front wheels of the Dodge in the clip push in turns, it is possible that this particular car was retro-fitted with a locked diff.

The joke is on all the jocks who put huge extra-wide tires on their raised 4WD pickups and on all the SUV owners who never set a wheel off pavement. Their owners are afraid to tackle conditions that were normal, everyday driving for their ancestors in the family car.
 
2013-09-21 12:40:55 AM

zez: Reminded me of the early days of mountain biking.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-09-21 01:28:56 AM
The world chose the wrong path when the Suzuki Samurai went out of production. Light, cheap, indestrictable, it doesnt need roads or room to park.

Still made in India, practically a staple in countries where the average road is identified by having the fewest tree stumps per square meter.
 
2013-09-21 01:41:39 AM

capt.hollister: baka-san: Also shows what you can do with skinny tires and a closed (locked) differential.

In standard form, family cars of the '20s did not have either locked or limited-slip differentials. Their ability to handle mud and off-road conditions was pretty much all down to high ground clearance and tall skinny tires. They did remarkably well despite being strictly 2wd with open diffs. If conditions got really bad they would wind bits of rope around the tires for extra traction. Mind you, judging from the way the front wheels of the Dodge in the clip push in turns, it is possible that this particular car was retro-fitted with a locked diff.

The joke is on all the jocks who put huge extra-wide tires on their raised 4WD pickups and on all the SUV owners who never set a wheel off pavement. Their owners are afraid to tackle conditions that were normal, everyday driving for their ancestors in the family car.


Wide tires are a compromise, you need them on snow, rocks, sand, etc. Personally I prefer light weight and tall narrow tires on a jeep for most driving conditions. If you live in a snow area you need something that can generate friction, and there is no substitute for square inches and micro ridges. In very heavy trucks...read SUV's and full size pickups... the ground contact patch also plays a factor in tire wear. Since a set of 20" all terrains runs about 1200 bucks, you want long tread life, which can mean reducing the PSI ground contact to a manageable range. Skinny tires on a heavy truck are working overtime. I had a samurai that I could run at 20 psi without tire bulge. After 5 years of light driving the tires had tread like new despite being half way through their anticipated mileage. My current daily driver/work truck samurai came with used Kumho tires, too fat, in fact so fat they grind on the bumper mounts.  Seven years later, same tires, same amount of tread. The tires on my Tundra?  Not so lucky, 2 years old and showing every bit of 40,000 miles. I'll be lucky to get another year out of them, at $1200 a set.
 
2013-09-21 02:00:33 AM
I currently own two all original cars from the 20's so I'm getting a kick, etc.
 
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