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(Talking Points Memo)   "The ACA has been in the law for 3 and 1/2 years, it passed both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional, it was an issue in last year's elections, the guy who was running against me said he was gonna repeal it, we won"   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 144
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2013-09-20 03:36:23 PM  
Bazinga!
 
2013-09-20 03:45:17 PM  
Dayyyyyum son!
 
2013-09-20 03:51:04 PM  
Man, who ran against Obama last year? It's bugging me.

Matt Rogers? Mark Rodney? Rip Montey?

And his running mate... Pat Reno? Phil Connors?

Ah well, who cares?
 
2013-09-20 03:56:00 PM  
he didn't just beat Romney. it was a shellacking.  Romney was the New York Giants to Obama's Denver Broncos from last week.
 
2013-09-20 04:11:28 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Man, who ran against Obama last year? It's bugging me.

Matt Rogers? Mark Rodney? Rip Montey?

And his running mate... Pat Reno? Phil Connors?

Ah well, who cares?


It was something like "Brad Whiteman" or something.
 
2013-09-20 04:18:10 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Car_Ramrod: Man, who ran against Obama last year? It's bugging me.

Matt Rogers? Mark Rodney? Rip Montey?

And his running mate... Pat Reno? Phil Connors?

Ah well, who cares?

It was something like "Brad Whiteman" or something.


Maybe his brother, Richard.
 
2013-09-20 04:26:52 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Car_Ramrod: Man, who ran against Obama last year? It's bugging me.

Matt Rogers? Mark Rodney? Rip Montey?

And his running mate... Pat Reno? Phil Connors?

Ah well, who cares?

It was something like "Brad Whiteman" or something.

Maybe his brother, Richard.


Yeah, I think that was it. I definitely remember a Rich Whiteman in the 2012 elections.
 
2013-09-20 04:27:33 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Car_Ramrod: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Car_Ramrod: Man, who ran against Obama last year? It's bugging me.

Matt Rogers? Mark Rodney? Rip Montey?

And his running mate... Pat Reno? Phil Connors?

Ah well, who cares?

It was something like "Brad Whiteman" or something.

Maybe his brother, Richard.

Yeah, I think that was it. I definitely remember a Rich Whiteman in the 2012 elections.


LOL!
 
2013-09-20 04:39:27 PM  
i159.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-20 05:28:47 PM  
The guy who ran against him also said ...

 "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. ... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." ~ Mitt Romney, in leaked comments from a fundraiser in May 2012

static3.businessinsider.com

Click this sentence to see other Romney gaffs from the 2012 election.
 
2013-09-20 05:31:00 PM  
Okay, that's all fine and dandy. Now, have you realized you are not dealing with adults who have any intention being honest actors in our government?
 
2013-09-20 05:32:01 PM  

AirForceVet: Click this sentence to see other Romney gaffs from the 2012 election.


I don't know if I have enough bandwidth to support a page of that size.

do you have a page of things he did right during the campaign?
 
2013-09-20 05:33:23 PM  
Don't worry, Libs. 2014 and 2016 are just around the corner.

When Speaker Boehner and Senate leader McConnell get a repeal bill to President Rubio's desk, he'll sign it. That will be the end of Obamacare.

/this is what Republicans actually believe
 
2013-09-20 05:42:10 PM  
Left won the healthcare debate. Right won the gun debate.

This is the way the world is
 
2013-09-20 05:52:11 PM  

cman: Left won the healthcare debate. Right won the gun debate.

This is the way the world is


no, you see, the right throws a tantrum when they don't win and try to cheat until they do.
 
2013-09-20 05:53:57 PM  

cman: Left won the healthcare debate. Right won the gun debate.

This is the way the world is


Well we sort of need the expanded health coverage to handle all the gunshot wounds.
 
2013-09-20 05:59:05 PM  
Unfortunately, the President doesn't tell the whole story. The reality is that every Republican in the House won their elections promising to repeal Obamacare. Their claim to the legitimacy of their own election is, in their eyes, just as valid as his. This argument won't work.
 
2013-09-20 06:01:28 PM  
In another thread, same subject, cman, you wrote the "GOP is farking a dead horse here."

I followed up explaining the saying is "Beating a dead horse." But, you might be closer to how the GOP is behaving here.

Really sad, but not unexpected. I really believe the current set of House Republicans, like our own local Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL), aren't doing any real work like solving real problems like unemployment, replacing old infrastructure, deficit spending, insufficient revenue, etc. They just playing to their redneck homies, skating along while sucking the benefits that being in Congress provides.

/Vote the worthless SOBs out.
//Not because of their ideology, but for their laziness.
 
2013-09-20 06:05:16 PM  

DamnYankees: Unfortunately, the President doesn't tell the whole story. The reality is that every Republican in the House won their elections promising to repeal Obamacare. Their claim to the legitimacy of their own election is, in their eyes, just as valid as his. This argument won't work.


Well, doesn't look like they're going to repeal ObamaCare or the ACA.

So let's shut down the federal government, cut off the Representatives' salaries and access to junkets, see what happens.

/Going to miss my military retirement check next month.
//Wonder how long the retirees will put up with no SSI or Medicare payments?
 
2013-09-20 06:05:56 PM  

DamnYankees: Unfortunately, the President doesn't tell the whole story. The reality is that every Republican in the House won their elections promising to repeal Obamacare. Their claim to the legitimacy of their own election is, in their eyes, just as valid as his. This argument won't work.


Was the Electoral College gerrymandered to guarantee Republican control of the White House?
 
2013-09-20 06:06:58 PM  

AirForceVet: I really believe the current set of House Republicans, like our own local Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL), aren't doing any real work like solving real problems like unemployment, replacing old infrastructure, deficit spending, insufficient revenue, etc

... Not because of their ideology, but for their laziness.

They aren't just lazy. To actually accomplish anything they would need to do 2 things- pass laws, and spend money. The Teatards that now run the GOP are fundamentally opposed to both of those things (unless it involves womens reproductive rights or military spending). Makes it kinda hard to govern.
 
2013-09-20 06:07:32 PM  

AirForceVet: //Wonder how long the retirees will put up with no SSI or Medicare payments?


For what its worth, SSI and Medicare continue during a shutdown, I believe.

Uranus Is Huge!: Was the Electoral College gerrymandered to guarantee Republican control of the White House?


Not really relevant to understanding the dynamics at work.
 
2013-09-20 06:10:21 PM  

cman: Left won the healthcare debate. Right won the gun debate.

This is the way the world is


Technically, the right won the healthcare debate (see: the origins of the ACA).  They're just sore winners, because they didn't want ANYTHING passed, not even their own version of healthcare reform.  They just wanted to block whatever the Democrats tried to pass, even when the Democrats managed to pass the Republicans' plan.
 
2013-09-20 06:10:23 PM  

DamnYankees: AirForceVet: //Wonder how long the retirees will put up with no SSI or Medicare payments?

For what its worth, SSI and Medicare continue during a shutdown, I believe.

Uranus Is Huge!: Was the Electoral College gerrymandered to guarantee Republican control of the White House?

Not really relevant to understanding the dynamics at work.


I'm well aware of the right's aversion to facts, data and, you know, reality.

Doesn't change the fact that the mandate to repeal the ACA only exists in their imaginations.
 
2013-09-20 06:13:35 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: Doesn't change the fact that the mandate to repeal the ACA only exists in their imaginations.


It exists in their districts. Well, it does moreso than it does in the national at large at least.
 
2013-09-20 06:17:11 PM  

Dinki: cman: Left won the healthcare debate. Right won the gun debate.

This is the way the world is

Well we sort of need the expanded health coverage to handle all the gunshot wounds.


Idea: How about we add 'gun handling' to the curriculum in schools. More funding for schools, everyone learns to handle a gun. Plus, I get universal health care and free booze as long as I am living in this fantasy.
 
2013-09-20 06:31:26 PM  

HighOnCraic: cman: Left won the healthcare debate. Right won the gun debate.

This is the way the world is

Technically, the right won the healthcare debate (see: the origins of the ACA).  They're just sore winners, because they didn't want ANYTHING passed, not even their own version of healthcare reform.  They just wanted to block whatever the Democrats tried to pass, even when the Democrats managed to pass the Republicans' plan.


Yep.

And since even most republicans favor some form of gun control, you can't really say the right won the gun debate.

Its more like the right won the health insurance debate, and the NRA won the gun debate.
 
2013-09-20 06:33:34 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Car_Ramrod: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Car_Ramrod: Man, who ran against Obama last year? It's bugging me.

Matt Rogers? Mark Rodney? Rip Montey?

And his running mate... Pat Reno? Phil Connors?

Ah well, who cares?

It was something like "Brad Whiteman" or something.

Maybe his brother, Richard.

Yeah, I think that was it. I definitely remember a Rich Whiteman in the 2012 elections.


You guys are morans.  It was Matt Romney.
 
2013-09-20 06:33:35 PM  
Yeah, Obama has been irritating me a lot lately and there are some things about the ACA that I have reservations about.

This is pretty much spot on.  Does he need to beat you retards yet again?
 
2013-09-20 06:34:37 PM  

HighOnCraic: Technically, the right won the healthcare debate (see: the origins of the ACA).  They're just sore winners, because they didn't want ANYTHING passed, not even their own version of healthcare reform.  They just wanted to block whatever the Democrats tried to pass, even when the Democrats managed to pass the Republicans' plan.


this, unfortunately
 
2013-09-20 06:35:53 PM  
"Now let's put this in perspective. The Affordable Care act has been in the law for three and a half years, it passed both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional, it was an issue in last year's elections, the guy who was running against me said he was gonna repeal it, we won," Obama said, drawing applause.

"So the voters were pretty clear on this," he added.


You know, its about time he started coming out swinging on this.

I am so farking sick of hearing unopposed braying from the right that "the people don't want this! Listen to the people, Mr. President!" because Obama received a pretty clear mandate on this, and when he got re-elected, doubly so.
 
2013-09-20 06:35:59 PM  

gilgigamesh: Yep.

And since even most republicans favor some form of gun control, you can't really say the right won the gun debate.

Its more like the right won the health insurance debate, and the NRA won the gun debate


Since the gun control proposals were retarded...

i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-09-20 06:37:40 PM  
These types of arguments are just irrelevant.
They basic issue here is that there's no procedural tricks the GOP has that can defund Obamacare. They can't slip it past anything. The only way this works - and this is a best case scenario for the GOP - is that the GOP shuts down the government and holds out longer than the Democrats. There's no other way this can even possibly work. And let's be clear, it can't work. But if it were going to work, that's literally the only way.
 
2013-09-20 06:37:57 PM  
The Republicans have no choice. They gerrymandered their districts so narrowly that only extremists and radicals can win. The instant a constituent gets even a whiff of compromise or cooperation, that Republican will get primaried
 
2013-09-20 06:38:24 PM  
the GOP is gonna have to get used to the fact the ACA isn't going anywhere.
 
2013-09-20 06:39:23 PM  

DamnYankees: These types of arguments are just irrelevant.
They basic issue here is that there's no procedural tricks the GOP has that can defund Obamacare. They can't slip it past anything. The only way this works - and this is a best case scenario for the GOP - is that the GOP shuts down the government and holds out longer than the Democrats. There's no other way this can even possibly work. And let's be clear, it can't work. But if it were going to work, that's literally the only way.


there are days when I wonder if the GOP would go that far....some of them I know would certainly consider destroying the country to get their way.
 
2013-09-20 06:41:22 PM  

Weaver95: DamnYankees: These types of arguments are just irrelevant.
They basic issue here is that there's no procedural tricks the GOP has that can defund Obamacare. They can't slip it past anything. The only way this works - and this is a best case scenario for the GOP - is that the GOP shuts down the government and holds out longer than the Democrats. There's no other way this can even possibly work. And let's be clear, it can't work. But if it were going to work, that's literally the only way.

there are days when I wonder if the GOP would go that far....some of them I know would certainly consider destroying the country to get their way.


www.slate.com

This man would stop at nothing to fark you over and make life easier for the rich. Nothing.
 
2013-09-20 06:42:25 PM  

Weaver95: the GOP is gonna have to get used to the fact the ACA isn't going anywhere.


These are the same people that think Roe V Wade is going to be overturned any day now.
 
2013-09-20 06:44:58 PM  

Dinki: Weaver95: the GOP is gonna have to get used to the fact the ACA isn't going anywhere.

These are the same people that think Roe V Wade is going to be overturned any day now.


2 years ago, who would have thought the Voting Rights Act would be gutted?
 
2013-09-20 06:48:38 PM  
And if we had a referendum on taking everything from the rich, and giving it to a bunch of parasites on society, it would have 100% democrat support.
 
2013-09-20 06:48:40 PM  
The GOP will blink on this... This is nothing more than a dog and pony show for the clods who make up the GOP base.
 
2013-09-20 06:48:50 PM  

AngryDragon: gilgigamesh: Yep.

And since even most republicans favor some form of gun control, you can't really say the right won the gun debate.

Its more like the right won the health insurance debate, and the NRA won the gun debate

Since the gun control proposals were retarded...

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Actually I agree with that. Assault weapons bans are retarded and pointless.

The problem is there are some reasonable gun control measures that could be effective on a national level that most people would support, but would never have a prayer of passing because NRA,
 
2013-09-20 06:50:00 PM  

SevenizGud: And if we had a referendum on taking everything from the rich, and giving it to a bunch of parasites on society, it would have 100% democrat support.



Oh, and here's one of those clod now...
 
2013-09-20 06:50:16 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Dinki: cman: Left won the healthcare debate. Right won the gun debate.

This is the way the world is

Well we sort of need the expanded health coverage to handle all the gunshot wounds.

Idea: How about we add 'gun handling' to the curriculum in schools. More funding for schools, everyone learns to handle a gun. Plus, I get universal health care and free booze as long as I am living in this fantasy.


Except under that scenario "certain folks" would also learn gun handling, which in Teahadist thought is basically like arming the people you expect to take you behind the chemical sheds.
 
2013-09-20 06:50:18 PM  

Weaver95: the GOP is gonna have to get used to the fact the ACA isn't going anywhere.


I have a family member that works in DC and has worked in the health care industry her whole life. She now is assisting health insurance companies around the country prepare to get complaint with the ACA laws going into effect (of which she mentions a lot have been woefully unprepared because they assumed it would all go away). Anyway, she was musing about the efforts to defund it and started getting a little agitated. She said, paraphrasing, that repealing the ACA is comically impossible. You would essentially be burning down the entire health care industry in the US. The infrastructure is built and it aint going away without causing a pretty big catastrophe.

And she says it as someone that doesn't really like the ACA. Her reasons are mostly based around all of the weird contortions in the law that were made to get it passed, however. Not because SOCIALISM!!!!1
 
2013-09-20 06:51:13 PM  

gilgigamesh: AngryDragon: gilgigamesh: Yep.

And since even most republicans favor some form of gun control, you can't really say the right won the gun debate.

Its more like the right won the health insurance debate, and the NRA won the gun debate

Since the gun control proposals were retarded...

[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Actually I agree with that. Assault weapons bans are retarded and pointless.

The problem is there are some reasonable gun control measures that could be effective on a national level that most people would support, but would never have a prayer of passing because NRA,


They don't have a prayer of passing because they always add something that far overreaches anything that is reasonable.  If they kept it simple it would get through.
 
2013-09-20 06:52:02 PM  

ManateeGag: he didn't just beat Romney. it was a shellacking.  Romney was the New York Giants to Obama's Denver Broncos from last week.


But I was assured the mangling Obama handed Romney was nothing.

I mean the fact that 5 million more people voted for Romney, that's less than 5 Rhode Islands.
 
2013-09-20 06:53:09 PM  

MightyPez: Weaver95: the GOP is gonna have to get used to the fact the ACA isn't going anywhere.

I have a family member that works in DC and has worked in the health care industry her whole life. She now is assisting health insurance companies around the country prepare to get

complaint compliant with the ACA laws going into effect (of which she mentions a lot have been woefully unprepared because they assumed it would all go away). Anyway, she was musing about the efforts to defund it and started getting a little agitated. She said, paraphrasing, that repealing the ACA is comically impossible. You would essentially be burning down the entire health care industry in the US. The infrastructure is built and it aint going away without causing a pretty big catastrophe.

And she says it as someone that doesn't really like the ACA. Her reasons are mostly based around all of the weird contortions in the law that were made to get it passed, however. Not because SOCIALISM!!!!1



Whoopsy
 
2013-09-20 06:53:39 PM  

meat0918: ManateeGag: he didn't just beat Romney. it was a shellacking.  Romney was the New York Giants to Obama's Denver Broncos from last week.

But I was assured the mangling Obama handed Romney was nothing.

I mean the fact that 5 million more people voted for Romney, that's less than 5 Rhode Islands.


Crap, less, 5 million LESS People voted for Romney.
 
2013-09-20 06:54:09 PM  
Wonderful Mr. President, you've handed some lotion to your die-hard supporters.

Now what? We get to listen to Republicans talk about opinion polls and how they show 42 percent support for the ACA and 56 percent against?

Just move along to the Senate strip the defunding from the continuing resolution and set up the ensuing fight next weekend with the House.

If it goes to a government shutdown, the teatards can have their Waterloo. We'll be well rid of them.
 
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