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(Reason Magazine)   Although the insurance exchanges will start on Oct 1 after being delayed several times, "you may see a redefinition of what 'start' means"   (reason.com) divider line 55
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2013-09-20 03:47:05 PM
Although you will be visiting a site called reason you may see a redefinition of what 'reason' means.
 
2013-09-20 04:18:57 PM
we get it - you're latching on to every single possible negative thing in the rolling out of a massive new program in order to give the impression that it's failing.

i wonder what your coverage would've been when medicare was rolled out 50 years ago.
 
2013-09-20 04:20:26 PM
So they're mad if it's delayed now?

I'm getting dizzy trying to keep up
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2013-09-20 04:23:11 PM
One and done.
 
2013-09-20 04:23:22 PM
I don't get it, why doesn't President Romney just repeal it? The law is so awful Obama lost the election because of it yet we still can't get it repealed? "Will of the people" my ass.
 
2013-09-20 04:24:55 PM

FlashHarry: we get it - you're latching on to every single possible negative thing in the rolling out of a massive new program in order to give the impression that it's failing.

i wonder what your coverage would've been when medicare was rolled out 50 years ago.


I thought it was "Commies took over DC" when they offered it?
 
2013-09-20 04:25:21 PM
Well, if this isn't a reason to scrap the whole thing, I don't know what is.
 
2013-09-20 04:27:42 PM
For anyone looking for information on the coming changes,  http://kff.org/health-reform/ is a good place to start.
 
2013-09-20 04:33:42 PM
By Peter Suderman

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2013-09-20 04:40:21 PM

Soup4Bonnie: For anyone looking for information on the coming changes,  http://kff.org/health-reform/ is a good place to start.


That is some really good information.  Honestly, Kaiser's sites are just filled with really useful stuff.  They're good people.

/for an HMO
 
2013-09-20 04:40:29 PM
So what are the odds that a year from now, when the exchanges are all rolled out and all their doomsday predictions have come to naught, the conservatives will give up on this? Can we expect 'repeal Obamacare' votes for the next 5-10-20 years?
 
2013-09-20 04:40:52 PM
Reason: The government is the condom preventing you from getting knocked up by the glorious free market and we must poke a hole in that condom!
 
2013-09-20 04:42:07 PM

HeartBurnKid: Soup4Bonnie: For anyone looking for information on the coming changes,  http://kff.org/health-reform/ is a good place to start.

That is some really good information.  Honestly, Kaiser's sites are just filled with really useful stuff.  They're good people.

/for an HMO


Kaiser Family Foundation has no relation to Kaiser Permanente.
 
2013-09-20 04:45:36 PM
Might as well just scrap it and go single payer.  It's easier, cheaper and more efficient.
 
2013-09-20 04:45:42 PM
I just got a letter telling me that I open enrollment on the exchanges starts on 10/1, but my current program (the federally created Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan) is still going to be around through Dec 31st. In fact, coverage through those new programs doesn't even start until Jan 1st.

I'm pretty confident that if the website isn't fully operational on 10/1, it will be in plenty of time for me to get new coverage by December.
 
2013-09-20 04:47:44 PM

Serious Black: By Peter Suderman

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Good move. I went back to the source article. It reminds me of the Buffet ridiculousness of a couple of days ago. The source article isn't saying anything near what Reason is trying to promote, but in fact, hold on to your derby and monocle now, just about the opposite.

Yikes! This means it's time to play a favorite Obamacare game called Is It Time To Freak Out Yet? Previous rounds include but are not limited to the delay of the employer mandate, out-of-pocket spending limits, income verification processes and the small business health exchanges.

Bottom line: exchanges start signing up people in October. Coverage starts in January. Therefore panic if you feel like doing so.  or not. You know.
 
2013-09-20 04:48:58 PM

Serious Black: HeartBurnKid: Soup4Bonnie: For anyone looking for information on the coming changes,  http://kff.org/health-reform/ is a good place to start.

That is some really good information.  Honestly, Kaiser's sites are just filled with really useful stuff.  They're good people.

/for an HMO

Kaiser Family Foundation has no relation to Kaiser Permanente.


Not quite "no relation to"...  They were part of the same conglomerate decades ago but are no longer associated.
 
2013-09-20 04:55:50 PM

The Martian Manhandler: I just got a letter telling me that I open enrollment on the exchanges starts on 10/1, but my current program (the federally created Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan) is still going to be around through Dec 31st. In fact, coverage through those new programs doesn't even start until Jan 1st.

I'm pretty confident that if the website isn't fully operational on 10/1, it will be in plenty of time for me to get new coverage by December.


I'm still waiting to hear if the 100% participation in the offered group benefits plan sticks around.  Corporate has been very vague about that requirement, and the required by law notice they sent out saying "we meet the minimums required by the Affordable Care Act" implied employees would be able to drop out and go with the exchanges.

At least they aren't just flat out dropping it.  They could drop it, pay the, what is it $2,000 fine per employee, and still be up over $2,000.  Of course, our best and brightest that work here in the US would jump ship rather quickly.  Our Canadian employees would not be affected.
 
2013-09-20 04:56:54 PM

FlashHarry: we get it - you're latching on to every single possible negative thing in the rolling out of a massive new program in order to give the impression that it's failing.

i wonder what your coverage would've been when medicare was rolled out 50 years ago.


I think most of the objection is to a "MASSIVE new program" [emphasis mine] rather than to some part of it that we all knew the government was going to fark up anyway.
 
2013-09-20 04:57:08 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Serious Black: By Peter Suderman

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Good move. I went back to the source article. It reminds me of the Buffet ridiculousness of a couple of days ago. The source article isn't saying anything near what Reason is trying to promote, but in fact, hold on to your derby and monocle now, just about the opposite.

Yikes! This means it's time to play a favorite Obamacare game called Is It Time To Freak Out Yet? Previous rounds include but are not limited to the delay of the employer mandate, out-of-pocket spending limits, income verification processes and the small business health exchanges.

Bottom line: exchanges start signing up people in October. Coverage starts in January. Therefore panic if you feel like doing so.  or not. You know.


I'm not surprised. Reason does have a couple of decent writers, but Suderman is not one of them. At least when it comes to health care, he may be more biased against ObamaCare than Avik Roy is, and that's difficult to do.
 
2013-09-20 04:58:21 PM
Oh, so THAT's what the UN and FEMA are ramping up for. I had no idea Obamacare really was so scary!
 
2013-09-20 05:01:47 PM
That's because the shiat is broke:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/20/wsj-obamacare-so f tware-cant-reliably-determine-enrollees-eligibility-for-subsidies/

They will figure it out, but you would figure that would be like $40-60 million ago. Many one of you arseholes can pull donkey dong out of your mouth to help them out.
 
2013-09-20 05:02:52 PM
Sweet jeebus, you can almost smell the fear coming off these tools. They're terrified AHCA will actually get traction & become possible, and they're getting more shrill & idiotic by the minute.
 
2013-09-20 05:06:33 PM
I really don't give a fark about how concerned Reason is
 
2013-09-20 05:23:52 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: Although you will be visiting a site called reason you may see a redefinition of what 'reason' means.


Did you even read the article? It quotes extensively a Washington Post article as well as someone on the programming team. Why don't you just buy an Obama dick dildo and suck on it all day.
 
2013-09-20 05:42:11 PM

radioshack: Why don't you just buy an Obama dick dildo and suck on it all day.


Shouldn't you be playing Call of Duty?
 
2013-09-20 05:42:38 PM
so when do the younger, healthier kids need to start signing up and paying for the older sick geezers?
 
2013-09-20 05:44:01 PM

CPennypacker: I don't get it, why doesn't President Romney just repeal it? The law is so awful Obama lost the election because of it yet we still can't get it repealed? "Will of the people" my ass.


You must have been wearing your tinfoil hat when the time waves hit. Obama went back in his TARDIS and rewrote that bit.
 
2013-09-20 05:44:57 PM

radioshack: Bareefer Obonghit: Although you will be visiting a site called reason you may see a redefinition of what 'reason' means.

Did you even read the article? It quotes extensively a Washington Post article as well as someone on the programming team. Why don't you just buy an Obama dick dildo and suck on it all day.


A few gliches in a massive new system. oh my!
 
2013-09-20 05:45:04 PM

radioshack: Why don't you just buy an Obama dick dildo and suck on it all day.


And there's one for the ignore list.
 
2013-09-20 05:47:08 PM

colon_pow: so when do the younger, healthier kids need to start signing up and paying for the older sick geezers?


We've been doing that for decades. It's called Medicare. Maybe you want to repeal that? Did you know good drivers pay for bad drivers with their car insurance? Or that alive people pay for dead people with their life insurance?
 
2013-09-20 05:49:16 PM

colon_pow: so when do the younger, healthier kids need to start signing up and paying for the older sick geezers?


October 1. Everyone needs to sign up October 1 at healthcare.gov.

Also, encourage as many people as possible to head there October 1 to get their health insurance.
 
2013-09-20 05:50:23 PM

Dinki: So what are the odds that a year from now, when the exchanges are all rolled out and all their doomsday predictions have come to naught, the conservatives will give up on this? Can we expect 'repeal Obamacare' votes for the next 5-10-20 years?


They'll trot out every person who has a "Obamacare killed my mom" or "I had to wait in the lobby of my doctor's office for half an hour, which never happened before Obamacare" story. Just like they tried doing with everyone they could find from Canada with a tale of woe before discovering that Canada is next to the US so facts could be checked and rebuttals made by Canadians.
 
2013-09-20 05:52:12 PM
I just had a chat with a nice man about the Kentucky health insurance exchange. It's much better than Obamacare and I think more states should do something like it instead.
 
2013-09-20 05:52:16 PM

Mercutio74: Might as well just scrap it and go single payer.  It's easier, cheaper and more efficient.


^
 
2013-09-20 05:53:59 PM
Reading all these "obamacare" articles on fark, a first timer on here would think:

A) Obamacare is perfect and come Jan 1st all the healthcare problems in this country will be magically fixed and everyone will be covered by the government employed healthcare fairies

or

B) The apocolypse is upon us and come Jan 1st, get in your doomsday shelter with your AR-15's and 10 years worth of canned goods.

Me, I am somewhere in the middle, I think if the government was serious about healthcare, we should have gone single payer. I also realize when was the last time a government program was ever implemented perfectly or nearly flawless? So there will be hiccups in the system.
 
2013-09-20 05:55:53 PM

EngineerAU: Dinki: So what are the odds that a year from now, when the exchanges are all rolled out and all their doomsday predictions have come to naught, the conservatives will give up on this? Can we expect 'repeal Obamacare' votes for the next 5-10-20 years?

They'll trot out every person who has a "Obamacare killed my mom" or "I had to wait in the lobby of my doctor's office for half an hour, which never happened before Obamacare" story. Just like they tried doing with everyone they could find from Canada with a tale of woe before discovering that Canada is next to the US so facts could be checked and rebuttals made by Canadians.


On October 2, there will be dozens of stories of real actual people who tried to sign up for Obamacare on the website on Oct. 1 and were not able to do it or were charged a brazillion dollars and told they could only see Dr. Kevorkian in about 3 years. Death panels start on Oct 1, too.
 
2013-09-20 05:55:56 PM

colon_pow: so when do the younger, healthier kids need to start signing up and paying for the older sick geezers?


Not only is that happening right now, it's really the only way healthcare can work and not be prohibitively expensive.  Every single country in the world that has a successful healthcare model depends on large groups of people putting money in to a system, but only relatively few using it at any given time.  Whether it's solely public funding or a mix of public and non-profit or highly regulated private....  this is the only way to do it.
 
2013-09-20 05:57:36 PM

dmaestaz: Reading all these "obamacare" articles on fark, a first timer on here would think:

A) Obamacare is perfect and come Jan 1st all the healthcare problems in this country will be magically fixed and everyone will be covered by the government employed healthcare fairies

or

B) The apocolypse is upon us and come Jan 1st, get in your doomsday shelter with your AR-15's and 10 years worth of canned goods.

Me, I am somewhere in the middle, I think if the government was serious about healthcare, we should have gone single payer. I also realize when was the last time a government program was ever implemented perfectly or nearly flawless? So there will be hiccups in the system.


It seems to me that A) in reality is just people rebutting B). I don't think I've ever seen anyone say anything even remotely close to A on this site (other than RW trolls pretending that's what libs think).
 
2013-09-20 05:58:25 PM

ddam: I just had a chat with a nice man about the Kentucky health insurance exchange. It's much better than Obamacare and I think more states should do something like it instead.


I'm sure you know you're joking, but expect to see things like this said in all seriousness by the "government hands off my Medicare" crowd. In fact, I believe there's been some stories of people already saying things like that as they sign up for the exchanges.
 
2013-09-20 05:58:45 PM

HeartBurnKid: Soup4Bonnie: For anyone looking for information on the coming changes,  http://kff.org/health-reform/ is a good place to start.

That is some really good information.  Honestly, Kaiser's sites are just filled with really useful stuff.  They're good people.

/for an HMO


The two haven't been affiliated for a good while now...
 
2013-09-20 06:01:07 PM

ddam: I just had a chat with a nice man about the Kentucky health insurance exchange. It's much better than Obamacare and I think more states should do something like it instead.


You do realize that the Kentucky health insurance exchange was set up because of Obamacare, right? in other words, it IS Obamacare. The AHCA provided for states to either create their own exchanges or to be enrolled in a federal system.
 
2013-09-20 06:03:09 PM

Dinki: ddam: I just had a chat with a nice man about the Kentucky health insurance exchange. It's much better than Obamacare and I think more states should do something like it instead.

You do realize that the Kentucky health insurance exchange was set up because of Obamacare, right? in other words, it IS Obamacare. The AHCA provided for states to either create their own exchanges or to be enrolled in a federal system.


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2013-09-20 06:04:01 PM
 
2013-09-20 06:09:18 PM

theknuckler_33: Dinki: ddam: I just had a chat with a nice man about the Kentucky health insurance exchange. It's much better than Obamacare and I think more states should do something like it instead.

You do realize that the Kentucky health insurance exchange was set up because of Obamacare, right? in other words, it IS Obamacare. The AHCA provided for states to either create their own exchanges or to be enrolled in a federal system.

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Yeah yeah, but you can't tell the level of derpitude people are consumed with these days.
 
2013-09-20 06:10:04 PM

ole prophet: I can't think of where I have heard of this before.


Makes you wonder how health insurance companies stay in business.
 
2013-09-20 06:11:07 PM

theknuckler_33: ole prophet: I can't think of where I have heard of this before.

Makes you wonder how health insurance companies stay in business.


Or any kind of insurance for that matter.
 
2013-09-20 06:24:14 PM
What, almost three-quarters of the states in the union have drug their asses and fought tooth and nail knowing damn well the deadline is in a week and a half, and now they're trying to say that the exchanges won't be ready is "proof" it doesn't work?

Isn't that like telling a woman you can't have sex and you can prove it, then chopping your own cock off in front of her?
 
2013-09-20 06:26:39 PM

radioshack: Bareefer Obonghit: Although you will be visiting a site called reason you may see a redefinition of what 'reason' means.

Did you even read the article? It quotes extensively a Washington Post article as well as someone on the programming team. Why don't you just buy an Obama dick dildo and suck on it all day.


Because my Bill Clinton one still has some flavor to it.

/Also, you didn't have to say 'dick dildo', I wouldn't have assumed you meant elbow dildo.
 
2013-09-20 06:28:07 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: /Also, you didn't have to say 'dick dildo', I wouldn't have assumed you meant elbow dildo.


Go easy on him, Dick DIldo is his scaley alter ego on Second Life.
 
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