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(Think Progress)   Catholic University claims it does not have to allow unions because of religious freedom. Guess they've never heard of Rerum Novarum, Quadragesimo Anno, Mater et Magistra, Populorum progressio, Laborem Exercens, Laborem Exercens, or Centesimus Annus   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 74
    More: Fail, Catholic University, Catholics, religious freedom, United Steelworkers, unions, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Duquesne University  
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2013-09-20 02:21:16 PM
Real Americans speak English!
 
2013-09-20 02:34:35 PM
You said Laborem Exercens twice.
 
2013-09-20 02:35:45 PM

Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.


Subby likes Laborem Exercens.
 
2013-09-20 02:39:11 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.

Subby likes Laborem Exercens.


How does one say, "D'Oh!" in Latin?
 
2013-09-20 02:41:15 PM
Mater et Magistra and Populorum progressio carry a life sentence in Azkaban nowadays. It's not 1716 anymore, subtard.
 
2013-09-20 02:41:31 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.

Subby likes Laborem Exercens.


Kinky.
 
2013-09-20 02:45:25 PM

HighOnCraic: Benevolent Misanthrope: Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.

Subby likes Laborem Exercens.

How does one say, "D'Oh!" in Latin?


If you're female, ecastor!

If male, edepol!
 
2013-09-20 02:46:14 PM
48. In the last place, employers and workmen may of themselves effect much, in the matter We are treating, by means of such associations and organizations as afford opportune aid to those who are in distress, and which draw the two classes more closely together. Among these may be enumerated societies for mutual help; various benevolent foundations established by private persons to provide for the workman, and for his widow or his orphans, in case of sudden calamity, in sickness, and in the event of death; and institutions for the welfare of boys and girls, young people, and those more advanced in years.
49. The most important of all are workingmen's unions, for these virtually include all the rest. History attests what excellent results were brought about by the artificers' guilds of olden times. They were the means of affording not only many advantages to the workmen, but in no small degree of promoting the advancement of art, as numerous monuments remain to bear witness. Such unions should be suited to the requirements of this our age - an age of wider education, of different habits, and of far more numerous requirements in daily life. It is gratifying to know that there are actually in existence not a few associations of this nature, consisting either of workmen alone, or of workmen and employers together, but it were greatly to be desired that they should become more numerous and more efficient. We have spoken of them more than once, yet it will be well to explain here how notably they are needed, to show that they exist of their own right, and what should be their organization and their mode of action.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/leo_xiii/encyclicals/documents/hf_ l- xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum_en.html
 
2013-09-20 02:51:06 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Benevolent Misanthrope: Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.

Subby likes Laborem Exercens.

Kinky.


www.jayandjshow.com

Ubi sunt omnia album mulierum?
 
2013-09-20 02:51:54 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: If you're female, ecastor!


Or an electronic beaver.
 
2013-09-20 02:52:59 PM
They may have never heard of Centesimus Annus, but they sure know a thing or two about children's anus
 
2013-09-20 02:56:41 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: They may have never heard of Centesimus Annus, but they sure know a thing or two about children's anus


Maybe they only know Mater Si, Magistra No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mater_si,_magistra_no
 
2013-09-20 03:04:46 PM

dittybopper: Benevolent Misanthrope: If you're female, ecastor!

Or an electronic beaver.


Damn it.  My keyboard was still in good condition.
 
2013-09-20 03:08:38 PM
Um, wasn't one of Martin Niemoller's worries that they would "come after trade unions"?

// oh, he's Lutheran
// never mind
 
2013-09-20 03:23:55 PM
Harry Potter spells have no footing in modern American jurisprudence.

Yet.
 
2013-09-20 03:39:40 PM
The sad thing is is that if one doesn't understand any of those names one would be considered uneducated and vulgar amongst the elite

If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life
 
2013-09-20 03:44:25 PM

cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life


my best friend, my BEST friend is a latino
 
2013-09-20 03:46:56 PM

cman: The sad thing is is that if one doesn't understand any of those names one would be considered uneducated and vulgar amongst the elite

If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life


[theothers.jpg]

You know who ELSE spoke Latin?
 
2013-09-20 03:48:03 PM

cman: The sad thing is is that if one doesn't understand any of those names one would be considered uneducated and vulgar amongst the elite

If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life


I guess Ricky Martin is OK.
 
2013-09-20 03:49:33 PM

HighOnCraic: Real Americans speak Englishia


they're talking about Catholics, not Real Americans.
 
2013-09-20 03:58:06 PM
I took Latin in high school, and all I remember is

Pedicabo ego vos et irrumabo.
 
2013-09-20 04:06:22 PM

cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life


www.caffeinedout.com

Relinquo vobis, si feminas insulae miles disciplinae Si superstes eris telum. Mortem imprecari eris minister bello. Sed usque in diem estis vomitum. Tu specie infima terra. Non es hominibus. Es nisi id mauris capto incompositi frusta amphibian anus! Quoniam dura, vt non. Quo magis odistis me, et disces quam. Ego durus, sed iustus sum. Non est hic odio racial. Non despiciat Nigros, Iudæis, Italos, aut Hispani. Neque idem quod tu. Et colligent de omnibus arescentes in siti mea ordines non habent testes ad serviendum Legio in dilecto meo. Numquid intelligimus inesse vermiculi?
 
2013-09-20 04:08:42 PM

dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

[www.caffeinedout.com image 280x270]

Relinquo vobis, si feminas insulae miles disciplinae Si superstes eris telum. Mortem imprecari eris minister bello. Sed usque in diem estis vomitum. Tu specie infima terra. Non es hominibus. Es nisi id mauris capto incompositi frusta amphibian anus! Quoniam dura, vt non. Quo magis odistis me, et disces quam. Ego durus, sed iustus sum. Non est hic odio racial. Non despiciat Nigros, Iudæis, Italos, aut Hispani. Neque idem quod tu. Et colligent de omnibus arescentes in siti mea ordines non habent testes ad serviendum Legio in dilecto meo. Numquid intelligimus inesse vermiculi?


I bet ya people would understand more of this language than that Latin crap you posted
 
2013-09-20 04:12:12 PM

cman: dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

[www.caffeinedout.com image 280x270]

Relinquo vobis, si feminas insulae miles disciplinae Si superstes eris telum. Mortem imprecari eris minister bello. Sed usque in diem estis vomitum. Tu specie infima terra. Non es hominibus. Es nisi id mauris capto incompositi frusta amphibian anus! Quoniam dura, vt non. Quo magis odistis me, et disces quam. Ego durus, sed iustus sum. Non est hic odio racial. Non despiciat Nigros, Iudæis, Italos, aut Hispani. Neque idem quod tu. Et colligent de omnibus arescentes in siti mea ordines non habent testes ad serviendum Legio in dilecto meo. Numquid intelligimus inesse vermiculi?

I bet ya people would understand more of this language than that Latin crap you posted


Probably, because that's crap Latin, straight from Google Translate.
 
2013-09-20 04:12:49 PM

cman: The sad thing is is that if one doesn't understand any of those names one would be considered uneducated and vulgar amongst the elite

If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life


uckFay ouYay!
 
2013-09-20 04:15:42 PM

cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life


I feel the same about people who can't use a slide rule.
 
2013-09-20 04:17:08 PM

dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

[www.caffeinedout.com image 280x270]

Relinquo vobis, si feminas insulae miles disciplinae Si superstes eris telum. Mortem imprecari eris minister bello. Sed usque in diem estis vomitum. Tu specie infima terra. Non es hominibus. Es nisi id mauris capto incompositi frusta amphibian anus! Quoniam dura, vt non. Quo magis odistis me, et disces quam. Ego durus, sed iustus sum. Non est hic odio racial. Non despiciat Nigros, Iudæis, Italos, aut Hispani. Neque idem quod tu. Et colligent de omnibus arescentes in siti mea ordines non habent testes ad serviendum Legio in dilecto meo. Numquid intelligimus inesse vermiculi?


I just ran that through Google translate.  You're making the lowest life forms look good right about now.
 
2013-09-20 04:19:17 PM

dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

I feel the same about people who can't use a slide rule.


Most people these days think a slide rule involves second base.
 
2013-09-20 04:23:02 PM

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

[www.caffeinedout.com image 280x270]

Relinquo vobis, si feminas insulae miles disciplinae Si superstes eris telum. Mortem imprecari eris minister bello. Sed usque in diem estis vomitum. Tu specie infima terra. Non es hominibus. Es nisi id mauris capto incompositi frusta amphibian anus! Quoniam dura, vt non. Quo magis odistis me, et disces quam. Ego durus, sed iustus sum. Non est hic odio racial. Non despiciat Nigros, Iudæis, Italos, aut Hispani. Neque idem quod tu. Et colligent de omnibus arescentes in siti mea ordines non habent testes ad serviendum Legio in dilecto meo. Numquid intelligimus inesse vermiculi?

I just ran that through Google translate.  You're making the lowest life forms look good right about now.


See my comment above.  I full admit to it being stercore.
 
2013-09-20 04:24:00 PM

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

I feel the same about people who can't use a slide rule.

Most people these days think a slide rule involves second base.


Ah, yes, the intersection of math and sex.
 
2013-09-20 04:26:36 PM
I think we can all agree that the only Union that matters is that of Christ to the Church.
 
2013-09-20 04:30:43 PM

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

I feel the same about people who can't use a slide rule.

Most people these days think a slide rule involves second third base.


I sure don't know.
 
2013-09-20 04:43:49 PM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

[www.caffeinedout.com image 280x270]

Relinquo vobis, si feminas insulae miles disciplinae Si superstes eris telum. Mortem imprecari eris minister bello. Sed usque in diem estis vomitum. Tu specie infima terra. Non es hominibus. Es nisi id mauris capto incompositi frusta amphibian anus! Quoniam dura, vt non. Quo magis odistis me, et disces quam. Ego durus, sed iustus sum. Non est hic odio racial. Non despiciat Nigros, Iudæis, Italos, aut Hispani. Neque idem quod tu. Et colligent de omnibus arescentes in siti mea ordines non habent testes ad serviendum Legio in dilecto meo. Numquid intelligimus inesse vermiculi?

I just ran that through Google translate.  You're making the lowest life forms look good right about now.

See my comment above.  I full admit to it being stercore.


Yeah, I missed that.  Sorry.
 
2013-09-20 04:43:56 PM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

I feel the same about people who can't use a slide rule.

Most people these days think a slide rule involves second base.

Ah, yes, the intersection of math and sex.


I call it Calculust.
 
2013-09-20 04:45:51 PM

dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

I feel the same about people who can't use a slide rule.

Most people these days think a slide rule involves second base.

Ah, yes, the intersection of math and sex.


I was going for a baseball analogy, but you can work that into sex as well I guess.
 
2013-09-20 04:50:33 PM

Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: Marcus Aurelius: dittybopper: cman: If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

I feel the same about people who can't use a slide rule.

Most people these days think a slide rule involves second base.

Ah, yes, the intersection of math and sex.

I was going for a baseball analogy, but you can work that into sex as well I guess.


Remember, gents, "Who's on first" is 3-10 years.
 
2013-09-20 04:58:26 PM

Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.


Is that Latin for "Kegels" ?
 
2013-09-20 05:07:20 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.

Is that Latin for "Kegels" ?


I guess at this stage, there's no point in trying to redirect the conversation back to the Catholic Church's social encyclicals and their support for labor rights...
 
2013-09-20 05:11:19 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.

Is that Latin for "Kegels" ?


Yes.

HighOnCraic: there's no point in trying to redirect the conversation back


Nope, not only did the thread derail, but it's gone past the station and is now running down main street.
 
2013-09-20 05:16:31 PM

Flab: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.

Is that Latin for "Kegels" ?

Yes.

HighOnCraic: there's no point in trying to redirect the conversation back

Nope, not only did the thread derail, but it's gone past the station and is now running down main street.


And it's tipped over at a 45-degree angle, heading for an elementary school.

/Which, given the original topic, could be a bad thing...
 
2013-09-20 05:21:03 PM

HighOnCraic: cman: The sad thing is is that if one doesn't understand any of those names one would be considered uneducated and vulgar amongst the elite

If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life

[theothers.jpg]

You know who ELSE spoke Latin?


The Romans?

romanus eunt domus
 
2013-09-20 05:24:35 PM
This university is going to absolutely hate the new Pope.
 
2013-09-20 05:28:00 PM
i.imgur.com

I have no idea what's going on in this thread, so here are a bunch of creepy Pope Francis Point Break masks.
 
2013-09-20 05:39:50 PM
MODERATORS: When I loaded the thread, i saw this. I thought you'd like to know you're being poached?

img89.imageshack.us
 
2013-09-20 05:42:57 PM

sobriquet by any other name: MODERATORS: When I loaded the thread, i saw this. I thought you'd like to know you're being poached?

[img89.imageshack.us image 850x631]


Poached?

/personally, I think they're all fried
 
2013-09-20 05:43:16 PM
Wait, how is not allowing unions religious freedom?
 
2013-09-20 05:47:36 PM
I knew this was coming, they think they can use the religious freedom argument to save money and cut corners rather than protect them from actual government abuse of the religious.
 
2013-09-20 05:47:51 PM
Y'know, under Pope Benedict XVI, I doubt the Catholic hierarchy would've lifted a finger to call out Duquesne for this shiat. But Pope Francis... well, there's still the rest of the hierarchy to get in his way, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see a papal smackdown. The current pope has definitely surpassed my (admittedly low) expectations for Catholicism promoting the actual teachings of Christ.
 
2013-09-20 05:55:50 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.

Subby likes Laborem Exercens.


So is that what the kids are calling it these days?
 
2013-09-20 05:58:41 PM

gnosis301: Wait, how is not allowing unions religious freedom?


Republican Jesus hates labor unions.

...and ye gods, I wish I was exaggerating when I said that....
 
2013-09-20 06:00:07 PM

Mithiwithi: Y'know, under Pope Benedict XVI, I doubt the Catholic hierarchy would've lifted a finger to call out Duquesne for this shiat. But Pope Francis... well, there's still the rest of the hierarchy to get in his way, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see a papal smackdown. The current pope has definitely surpassed my (admittedly low) expectations for Catholicism promoting the actual teachings of Christ.


if he keeps this up he's gonna get himself killed.  if the Catholic church starts standing up against megacorps and US evangelicals preaching the prosperity gospel, they'll have themselves a right proper holy war in no time flat.
 
2013-09-20 06:01:02 PM

gnosis301: Wait, how is not allowing unions religious freedom?


It's not, and the authors of all those papal encyclicals listed in the headline* would refute the notion that it is.

*Even the one listed twice.
 
2013-09-20 06:04:23 PM

sobriquet by any other name: MODERATORS: When I loaded the thread, i saw this. I thought you'd like to know you're being poached?

[img89.imageshack.us image 850x631]


Hello fellow OS X user!

Curious, what coding are you working on? I can see in your background that you are looking at some computer code
 
2013-09-20 06:19:13 PM
 liquorstorebear.files.wordpress.com

/Good pope, bad pope?  No matter, He"s the one on the Chair!
 
2013-09-20 06:39:08 PM
Remember, child rape enabler Bernard Law still has a cushy position at the Vatican.
 
2013-09-20 06:46:49 PM
Start taxing all religious organizations with a specific dollar-amount exemption to protect the small congregations.
 
2013-09-20 06:59:19 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: [i.imgur.com image 770x515]

I have no idea what's going on in this thread, so here are a bunch of creepy Pope Francis Point Break masks.


Interesting that they decided to keep the seven Benedict mask molds in the lower right of the photo...
 
2013-09-20 07:05:22 PM
cman: sobriquet by any other name: MODERATORS: When I loaded the thread, i saw this. I thought you'd like to know you're being poached?

[img89.imageshack.us image 850x631]

Hello fellow OS X user!

Curious, what coding are you working on? I can see in your background that you are looking at some computer code


(aside to cman) Ha! I had only checked after I posted if there was anything personally identifiable in the screen shot. Believe it or not, Fark is dear to me for being the only place I go to where I expect to post under a totally isolate alias. For instance, if I post here, i will never post the same thing on another site. No dots to connect, and so Fark provides me an experimental thought-experiment outlet (or just plain goofiness) that I am thankful for.

But yeah you got it, right now i'm working with D3 - short for Data-Driven-Documents - to create graphs abstracting large volumes of engineering data. In fact, the contract allows me to use my own original framework, in unison with D3, which is turning out *great*.  I dare not be more specific here, but i'll say this, Javascript/HTML is highly under-estimated as a "pro" UI language.

i loves me some javascript, obj-c, python... the rapid-application-development languages. Sure I started with C and MASM, etc, as a youngin' but i  like that the increased power of modern computers are going towards making expression easier, rather than faster. It's a new frontier which the "standard" geek completely misses for breaking that cardinal rule of programming: "premature optimization is the devil"... and the bonus "you can trade speed for time, or time for speed, and either for comprehensibility." They dont teach either in college, the shame of it!

Just to date myself, my first "computer" was a green-on-black terminal from a microcomputer in another part of the house, using the "UNIX" of the day.. "ESIX". How could I  not use osx, today? Linux is okay, but the mac-tax is worth it just to run Quicksilver!

/aside over, game on  :-)
 
2013-09-20 07:28:55 PM
Romanes eunt domus!
 
2013-09-20 07:32:06 PM

runwiz: Start taxing all religious organizations with a specific dollar-amount exemption to protect the small congregations.


If they can operate under the conditions required of a non-profit organization (any of the various types), then they can be entitled to the same tax breaks.

At least that's how it ought to be done.
 
2013-09-20 07:55:24 PM
Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc

/not just pretty words
 
2013-09-20 08:01:16 PM

maddogdelta: Romanes eunt domus!


Notice how we had all avoided the painfully obvious Python reference?

/There's always one.,
 
2013-09-20 08:22:28 PM

yeegrek: Benevolent Misanthrope: Flab: You said Laborem Exercens twice.

Subby likes Laborem Exercens.

So is that what the kids are calling it these days?


It's an obscure old-school encyclical.  You've probably never heard of it.
 
2013-09-20 08:32:32 PM

dittybopper: Notice how we had all avoided the painfully obvious Python reference?

/There's always one.,


Oh dear leader, please excuse my transgression! Did I hurt your interwebz?
 
2013-09-20 08:36:01 PM

dittybopper: maddogdelta: Romanes eunt domus!

Notice how we had all avoided the painfully obvious Python reference?

/There's always one.,


No one expects a painfully obvious Python reference!
 
2013-09-20 09:18:39 PM

HighOnCraic: dittybopper: maddogdelta: Romanes eunt domus!

Notice how we had all avoided the painfully obvious Python reference?

/There's always one.,

No one expects a painfully obvious Python reference!


Now *THAT* is how you do a non-obvious Python reference!

Bravo, Bruce.
 
2013-09-20 09:25:06 PM

wooden_badger: Remember, child rape enabler Bernard Law still has a cushy position at the Vatican.


To be fair, the only way Pope Francis is going to be able to clean out all the nasty shiat lurking in the Vatican during his tenure is to divert the Tiber.
 
2013-09-20 09:27:10 PM

Mithiwithi: wooden_badger: Remember, child rape enabler Bernard Law still has a cushy position at the Vatican.

To be fair, the only way Pope Francis is going to be able to clean out all the nasty shiat lurking in the Vatican during his tenure is to divert the Tiber.


Not true. shiat is also combustible if allowed to dry out.
 
2013-09-20 10:37:54 PM

cman: The sad thing is is that if one doesn't understand any of those names one would be considered uneducated and vulgar amongst the elite

If you don't know Latin you are the lowest form of life


Except these are the names of papal decrees, so knowing what they mean (roughly: regarding the revolution, year forty, mother and teacher, people's progress, an exercise regarding labor, and year 100) tells you absolutely fark-all about the actual nature of the decrees and what they say.  Could be a bunch of papers on how many coffee breaks a monk is allowed to take in a day for all we know.
 
2013-09-20 10:40:59 PM

dittybopper: HighOnCraic: dittybopper: maddogdelta: Romanes eunt domus!

Notice how we had all avoided the painfully obvious Python reference?

/There's always one.,

No one expects a painfully obvious Python reference!

Now *THAT* is how you do a non-obvious Python reference!

Bravo, Bruce.


And where would one go to inquire about this snake? A pet shop perhaps?
 
2013-09-20 10:45:48 PM

Peki: dittybopper: HighOnCraic: dittybopper: maddogdelta: Romanes eunt domus!

Notice how we had all avoided the painfully obvious Python reference?

/There's always one.,

No one expects a painfully obvious Python reference!

Now *THAT* is how you do a non-obvious Python reference!

Bravo, Bruce.

And where would one go to inquire about this snake? A pet shop perhaps?



i1.ytimg.com
 
2013-09-21 12:51:32 PM
Ironic that those who argue loudest to keep the church out of government schools are just as loud about wanting the government involved in church schools.
 
2013-09-21 02:12:37 PM

Cataholic: Ironic that those who argue loudest to keep the church out of government schools are just as loud about wanting the government involved in church schools.


What does that have to do with a Catholic school rejecting over a century of Catholic social teaching about unions?

FTA:  Yet, regardless of how the law views this dispute, Duquesne suggestion that its Catholic affiliation entitles it to ignore the right of workers to organize would probably come as a tremendous shock to the Catholic Church itself. Catholic canon law calls upon employers to "observe meticulously also the civil laws concerning labor and social policy, according to the principles handed on by the Church" and to "pay a just and decent wage to employees so that they are able to provide fittingly for their own needs and those of their dependents." Similarly, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops proclaimed last year that "[o]ur Church has long taught that unions are 'an indispensable element of social life, especially in modern industrialized societies' . . . and are examples of the traditional Catholic principles of solidarity and subsidiarity in action."
 
2013-09-21 08:30:13 PM
I'm sorry, but $10,000 a year to teach 1 class sounds like a perfectly fair wage, and there's nothing wrong with firing a person who's to old to work. At 83, she should have retired long ago, and the fact that she was still allowed to work at the school was nothing short of charity on their part.
 
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