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(CNN)   Some airline passengers find another way to chuck their dignity into the low-cost turbines. To the right, taking bets on how long it will take the airlines to start charging these clever guys for fat seats. Assuming they get past the TSA screening   (cnn.com) divider line 47
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2013-09-20 02:19:46 PM
Actually since TSA makes you remove your jacket when you go through whatever scanner you get sent through that shouldn't be a problem.
 
2013-09-20 02:49:41 PM
My dignity is worth the baggage fee.
 
2013-09-20 03:31:53 PM
I hate to be 'that guy' - but I remember hearing about this....at least once per year, for the last 4-5 years.
 
2013-09-20 03:32:55 PM
The article mentions Frontier as a carrier that charges for checked bags. However, I've discovered that if you use a largish, but still regulation-sized, rolling carry-on bag, they will force you to check it at the gate, but not charge you for it. This has become routine for me, as I travel to Denver somewhat frequently.
 
2013-09-20 03:34:41 PM
I'm horny and was hoping that Jaktogo meant something else.
 
2013-09-20 03:36:36 PM

mr_fulano: I'm horny and was hoping that Jaktogo meant something else.


The problem with drive-thru handies is that the low-wage drive-thru operaters are usually too fat to reach, to old to get a good grip (artrhitis, you know), or are too young to see your peener.
 
2013-09-20 03:36:45 PM
Two words:

Pack. Lighter.
 
2013-09-20 03:37:22 PM
I'm surprised Spirit doesn't charge a pressurization fee.
 
2013-09-20 03:40:19 PM
Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.
 
2013-09-20 03:43:45 PM
This is getting ridiculous!
 
2013-09-20 03:44:05 PM
I read that as Juggalo at first, and was confused.
 
2013-09-20 03:46:55 PM

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.


From N. Illinois, I will drive anywhere east of the Rockies. If I'm going to be at my destination for longer than 4 days, I'll drive anywhere in the lower 48.
 
2013-09-20 03:50:24 PM

Honest Bender: My dignity is worth the baggage fee.


THIS and that thing looks like more trouble than it's worth.

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.


I drive 17-18 hours 2-3 times each year, GA to NY, when up there for a week or more.
Also saves on renting a car in NY; I drive my own or rent one down here for 250+ less/week than a NY area airport.
 
2013-09-20 03:56:11 PM

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.


I'm at the day's drive point - 8 hours or so. 5 hours seems like break even point for time wasted in security, etc. But i can eat what i want, play tunes, etc.
 
2013-09-20 03:56:38 PM
how long it will take the airlines to start charging these clever guys for fat seats

When did the airlines initiate a ban on taking your jacket off and putting it into the overhead compartment?
 
2013-09-20 03:57:48 PM

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.


I wonder if anyone has built a calculator that takes Kayak and similar a bit futher.  Don't just input your origin, destination, travel dates, etc. but also include things like your vehicle make and model (and therefore it's approximate fuel efficiency), whether you'll be taking public transit or a taxi at your destination, and so on.  When it runs the search, it could show not just the best airfares, but also how these compare to just driving the whole way in your own vehicle.  Same thing for the travel time -- don't just show the total time in the air, but include the couple of hours spent checking in and going through security, the typical time needed to collect any checked bags, how long it takes to travel from the airport into town, and other factors.
I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of short- and mid-haul trips work out to about the same time and cost no matter which mode of transportation you use.
 
2013-09-20 03:58:21 PM
Rhino_man: I read that as Juggalo Juggies at first, and was confused.

www.trampolineslosangeles.com
 
2013-09-20 03:59:00 PM
Just pay the goddamn $25 to check your bag.  Christ.
 
2013-09-20 04:00:08 PM

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.


Kind of sad that even though we make decent money (for "flyover" types) there's only two areas of the country for my family;  places we can drive to in ~18 hours or less and places we're never going to see.
 
2013-09-20 04:00:21 PM
I suppose these things are a good idea if you don't mind getting a hernia and sweating to death.

I think I'd rather pony up the baggage fee.
 
2013-09-20 04:05:32 PM

CarnySaur: Just pay the goddamn $25 to check your bag.  Christ.


Both ways, remember.
And then there is the $15 baggage retrieval fee.
 
2013-09-20 04:06:22 PM

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.


I live in Denver and this summer the kids and I drove to Vermont on vacation.
 
2013-09-20 04:14:14 PM

Odd Bird: Honest Bender: My dignity is worth the baggage fee.

THIS and that thing looks like more trouble than it's worth.

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.

I drive 17-18 hours 2-3 times each year, GA to NY, when up there for a week or more.
Also saves on renting a car in NY; I drive my own or rent one down here for 250+ less/week than a NY area airport.


That's about 1100 miles or 44 gallons at 25mpg.  $310 in gas total round trip, a greyhound will get you there for $252 round trip and you don't have to do anything.  shiat I'll rent a car at my destination before putting that many miles on my own vehicle.
 
2013-09-20 04:18:23 PM
It needs one of those vacuum cleaner connections. Makes you look way slimmer.
 
2013-09-20 04:21:35 PM
I hope they start questioning everyone who looks like they have one of these on, so someone can finally snap and go I'M JUST FAT AND LUMPY, OKAY?!?!
 
2013-09-20 04:26:01 PM

TNel: That's about 1100 miles or 44 gallons at 25mpg. $310 in gas total round trip, a greyhound will get you there for $252 round trip and you don't have to do anything. shiat I'll rent a car at my destination before putting that many miles on my own vehicle.


That would require riding grayhound.  Did that once, did not like the experience.

As for the miles, well, I count the maintenance and such as about a penny per mile.
 
2013-09-20 04:28:25 PM
jaysus.   i used to LOVE to fly.  now i farking hate it, and only do it when absolutely necessary.
 
2013-09-20 04:35:44 PM

asmodeus224: Two words:

Pack. Lighter.


Went to Florida a couple weeks ago; mailed my clothes, mailed 'em back. Cheaper, less to lug about in the airports, and probably safer (less chance of getting lost).
 
2013-09-20 04:43:27 PM
As was said, pack lighter. I travel carry-on only unless I'm taking golf clubs. I've even convinced my wife to do the same and trust me, if she can do it anyone can. We did a couple weeks in Europe with only carry-on bags and it was great to be able to travel from city-to-city with only a rolly-bag and a small knapsack each.
 
2013-09-20 04:44:47 PM

Perducci: I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of short- and mid-haul trips work out to about the same time and cost no matter which mode of transportation you use.


Depends what you call midhaul on the time question. Beyond about 250 miles (4 hours driving at best), flying always wins. An hour in the air reliably gets you 300 miles.
 
2013-09-20 04:52:03 PM

asmodeus224: Two words:

Pack. Lighter.


Jeez, this. I can travel for up to a month with nothing more than a roll-aboard that fits in the overhead bin. And I mean really fits, not crams in if I take out everyone else's stuff.
 
2013-09-20 04:52:53 PM

TNel: Odd Bird: jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.

I drive 17-18 hours 2-3 times each year, GA to NY, when up there for a week or more.
Also saves on renting a car in NY; I drive my own or rent one down here for 250+ less/week than a NY area airport.

That's about 1100 miles or 44 gallons at 25mpg.  $310 in gas total round trip, a greyhound will get you there for $252 round trip and you don't have to do anything.  shiat I'll rent a car at my destination before putting that many miles on my own vehicle.


So now you're there and have to rent a car.  The $60 you saved will get you one day in a NY rental.
I would wager the bus takes 3-5 hours longer....nope, at least 5 hours longer (checked the site).  And that's just to Penn Station.  Now I have to hop a train out to Long Island (add another hour, ticket price washes with the tolls avoided) to rent a car.

So, sticking with my sub 25mpg Crown Vic or getting a rental @ 220-240/week here in N. ATL.
 
2013-09-20 04:53:42 PM
Scott eVest has been making clothes with more pockets than Siegfried and Roy for years. They even have a line specifically designed for travelling luggageless. None of it makes you look like an Oompa Loompa
 
2013-09-20 04:59:52 PM

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.


If the drive time is only slightly further than the time it would take me to drive to the airport, park, check luggage, go thru security and wait to board and take off, fly and land and then screw around renting a car, i'll just drive thanks.

I live in Orlando and have driven to Atlanta over flying there just to avoid the headache. it's a 2 hour (+3-4 hours of nonsense) flight and an 7-8 hour drive.
 
2013-09-20 05:04:27 PM
I fly a lot - really a lot, so maybe I'm just numb to it, but even when I'm in major hubs, I'm just not experiencing all of the things most of you describe.  And even though I get upgraded frequently because of my Skymiles status, I still fly coach quite a bit, so it's not like I'm completely basing this on first class experiences.  I don't have to pay for bags (see above re: Skymiles), but I just don't experience the problems with TSA, crappy sky waitresses, delays, etc. that everyone always complains about.  Leaving Vegas last week was about 20 minutes in the security line.  LAX two weeks prior was maybe 15.  There's a security line at MSP out by the skyway that connects C and G that I always use after I go grab a stick of fresh air between flights, and I think the longest it's ever taken me to get back through it was 10 minutes.  The worst is when you're visiting someone and they tell you how horrible it is at their airport, so you show up two hours early because you believed them, and 15 minutes later you're sitting at your gate wondering why the bar isn't open yet because you have an hour to kill before your flight starts boarding.

I'm starting to think that the largest group of people that always like to complain about air travel have probably never even been on a plane.
 
2013-09-20 05:17:42 PM

FilmBELOH20: The worst is when you're visiting someone and they tell you how horrible it is at their airport, so you show up two hours early because you believed them, and 15 minutes later you're sitting at your gate wondering why the bar isn't open yet because you have an hour to kill before your flight starts boarding.


I had the opposite most recently - I advised dad that he didn't have to show up that early because we're a small airport - we only have 6 gates(admittedly, 3X as much as my last airport), and if you show up that early you won't find any luggage reps to check your bags.

Now, you don't want to show up too late either - otherwise you're stuck waiting for all the other late people to be processed.  I like having ~30 minutes of 'flex' time in case of accident, slow traffic, etc...
 
2013-09-20 05:34:29 PM

TNel: Odd Bird: Honest Bender: My dignity is worth the baggage fee.

THIS and that thing looks like more trouble than it's worth.

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.

I drive 17-18 hours 2-3 times each year, GA to NY, when up there for a week or more.
Also saves on renting a car in NY; I drive my own or rent one down here for 250+ less/week than a NY area airport.

That's about 1100 miles or 44 gallons at 25mpg.  $310 in gas total round trip, a greyhound will get you there for $252 round trip and you don't have to do anything.  shiat I'll rent a car at my destination before putting that many miles on my own vehicle.


Greyhound? Look, I hate the TSA, but I'd rather let them fondle my junk than take Greyhound ever again.

Honestly, the TSA seems to have stopped pulling people out at the gate and frisking them. That was over the line, but flying has been much easier now that they ceased that. It still sucks, but I'm not as hostile as I was when they were doing the Gate-rape thing.
 
2013-09-20 05:53:09 PM

asmodeus224: Two words:

Pack. Lighter.


Two words:

Fly naked.
 
2013-09-20 05:53:59 PM

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.


I will drive just about anywhere on the continent to avoid flying if I can manage it. Of course, I hate flying with a passion that's probably over the line to being irrational. Hours in a tube full of strangers in an uncomfortable chair breathing recycled air? No thank you.
 
2013-09-20 05:57:15 PM

stir22: jaysus.   i used to LOVE to fly.  now i farking hate it, and only do it when absolutely necessary.


This.

I'll fly to go abroad, but I pretty much drive to anywhere in the US unless I'm very crunched for time.  Flying is a different experience now than it was even 15 or 20 years ago when I started to fly.
 
2013-09-20 06:27:50 PM
That's stealing. Taking something of value that doesn't belong to you. Cue all the excuses and justifications...but none of them change the definition of stealing. Don't like it? Do something about it that doesn't involve stealing.
 
2013-09-20 06:31:55 PM

BizarreMan: Actually since TSA makes you remove your jacket when you go through whatever scanner you get sent through that shouldn't be a problem.


And the airlines make you check luggage that won't fit in the overhead. Enjoy watching your 'sneaky ploy' get thrown around by rampers as it gets loaded into cargo, assuming the plane is still there after the TSA confirms whether or not you ran it through the scanner. And thats all just hoping they don't declare a security breech if you didn't run it through.
 
2013-09-20 06:40:17 PM

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.


Here is how I do it: drive time to the airport + time to get from the lot into the terminal (I get to go through a special crew line for security, so my time for this is extremely short) + being a little early + flight time + rental car & driving to your final destination. V.S. Drive time. If 'A > B' then drive. If not, fly. That doesn't account for the cost. Since I'm an airline employee, my numbers are way different than they would be for most people.

From where I live, the 'break even' point is 6 hours of driving. It will be different based on how far from the airport you live, but, as a Professional Traveler, thats the basic formula I use.
 
2013-09-20 11:54:56 PM

FilmBELOH20: I fly a lot - really a lot, so maybe I'm just numb to it, but even when I'm in major hubs, I'm just not experiencing all of the things most of you describe.  And even though I get upgraded frequently because of my Skymiles status, I still fly coach quite a bit, so it's not like I'm completely basing this on first class experiences.  I don't have to pay for bags (see above re: Skymiles), but I just don't experience the problems with TSA, crappy sky waitresses, delays, etc. that everyone always complains about.  Leaving Vegas last week was about 20 minutes in the security line.  LAX two weeks prior was maybe 15.  There's a security line at MSP out by the skyway that connects C and G that I always use after I go grab a stick of fresh air between flights, and I think the longest it's ever taken me to get back through it was 10 minutes.  The worst is when you're visiting someone and they tell you how horrible it is at their airport, so you show up two hours early because you believed them, and 15 minutes later you're sitting at your gate wondering why the bar isn't open yet because you have an hour to kill before your flight starts boarding.

I'm starting to think that the largest group of people that always like to complain about air travel have probably never even been on a plane.


I'm in your boat too, I fly 2-3 times a week for work.  A couple of things though:

1) When these people do fly its during the busiest times of the year-- holidays, etc.
2) The problem is exacerbated by the fact that people flying during those times are not seasoned fliers.  They are casual fliers, and families who don't always know the rules and take longer.

When I fly on Monday mornings, it's the smoothest thing in the world.  Every person in line has their laptop and Zip-loc of toiletries out and they are ready to go once they get to the bins.  On Saturday mornings for personal travel-- OMG its the worst thing in the world.  The people who casually fly are biased by the fact that they only fly during the worst times to fly and they are surrounded by people who don't know the rules of flying.
 
2013-09-21 12:51:30 AM

jayhawk88: Serious question: At this point, how long would you drive to avoid flying. I live in Wichita, and I really think, even for business, I would drive as far as Dallas/Denver/St.Louis/Chicago to avoid having to deal with air travel.


Allow me to recommend the train, assuming you're traveling anywhere on the East Coast. As far as Hartford to Philly doesn't even take any longer than flying, when you add in how far ahead you have to be at the airport.
 
2013-09-21 07:05:16 AM
I am just so damned sick of asshats who carry on about 20Kg of luggage and cram it into  my overhead locker. I get this problem on domestic flights in Australia and everywhere I've been overseas. I really wish all airlines would enforce the carry-on rules and fark these wankers up.

/Oh, and my lawn. Off.
 
2013-09-21 08:52:55 PM

Jesus McSordid: I am just so damned sick of asshats who carry on about 20Kg of luggage and cram it into  my overhead locker. I get this problem on domestic flights in Australia and everywhere I've been overseas. I really wish all airlines would enforce the carry-on rules and fark these wankers up.

/Oh, and my lawn. Off.


You mean the ones who put their bag above one of the first 10 rows, and then walk all the way back to the last god damn row in the plane? ugh they drive me nuts, even if it's not my overhead, total asshat thing to do just because your lazy ass can't be bothered to drag your luggage with you the entire way to your seat!
On more than one occasion, I've highlighted the bag that doesn't belong to anyone near by as the "problem bag" when the person assigned to the seat arrives and has nowhere to put their stuff.
 
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