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(The Daily Beast)   New report shows homeschooling often leads to battered children, sexual abuse, surprisingly bright teeth   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 149
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2013-09-20 02:21:01 PM
Well, you have to batter the children, otherwise the flavor seeps out when you put them in the fryer.
 
2013-09-20 02:25:39 PM
media.moronail.net
 
2013-09-20 02:27:31 PM
When people want to hide from society they usually have a reason and the reason is often evil
 
2013-09-20 02:28:49 PM
A database of local news stories and official documents, the site is searchable by category, including Fatality, Food Deprivation, Imprisonment, Physical Abuse and Sexual Abuse. Under Sexual Abuse, to take just one of them, Doney and Coleman found almost 70 victims since 2000-and those are just cases that made the papers.

70 cases. Out of approximately 2 million homeschooled students
 
2013-09-20 02:32:08 PM
Well remembered Subby. Well remembered.
 
2013-09-20 02:40:09 PM
It's probably far worse considering how many states have little to no regulations or laws regarding homeschooling. Once a parent decides to homeschool, that kid is all but dead to the school district and nobody checks up on them or their academic progress to see if they are even being taught anything at all. (Never mind anything else that could be going on and identified by a teacher/teachers at school.
 
2013-09-20 02:43:31 PM
I'm shocked! Why, who could see this coming?
 
2013-09-20 02:44:03 PM
Good headline submitter... I always appreciate a good throwback
 
2013-09-20 02:44:04 PM
Subby needs to dig up that picture so everyone else knows what the hell he/she's talking about.
 
2013-09-20 02:44:18 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: When people want to hide from society they usually have a reason and the reason is often evil


Pretty much.
 
2013-09-20 02:44:31 PM

ArkAngel: A database of local news stories and official documents, the site is searchable by category, including Fatality, Food Deprivation, Imprisonment, Physical Abuse and Sexual Abuse. Under Sexual Abuse, to take just one of them, Doney and Coleman found almost 70 victims since 2000-and those are just cases that made the papers.

70 cases. Out of approximately 2 million homeschooled students


That's actually better odds than public school
 
2013-09-20 02:44:40 PM
You don't say?
 
2013-09-20 02:46:22 PM
Wet battered or beer battered?
 
2013-09-20 02:47:15 PM
Know of a girl who was regularly badly beaten by her dad while being homeschooled. She eventually got help and fled. After a few months, she was able to help her younger sister escape, too, but hadn't been able to get her younger brother out, the last I heard.

Homeschooling should be tightly regulated. Yeah, you should be able to do it, but you should be willing to let people interview your kids periodically just to make sure they aren't being isolated for nefarious reasons.
 
2013-09-20 02:47:29 PM

Savian: Subby needs to dig up that picture so everyone else knows what the hell he/she's talking about.


I'm not Subby, but:
img.fark.net
 
2013-09-20 02:47:33 PM

Savian: Subby needs to dig up that picture so everyone else knows what the hell he/she's talking about.


I'm pretty sure it's already burned into the collective consciousness of Fark.
 
2013-09-20 02:47:43 PM

Fano: ArkAngel: A database of local news stories and official documents, the site is searchable by category, including Fatality, Food Deprivation, Imprisonment, Physical Abuse and Sexual Abuse. Under Sexual Abuse, to take just one of them, Doney and Coleman found almost 70 victims since 2000-and those are just cases that made the papers.

70 cases. Out of approximately 2 million homeschooled students

That's actually better odds than public school


I'm sure you can cite all the geniuses that emerge from homeschooling in the US.
 
2013-09-20 02:47:56 PM
For the record, a GIS for "homeschooled" shows a separate gallery for "homeschooled fark" (as in Fark.com, not the filtered word).

i169.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-20 02:48:00 PM
Dogtooth was a documentary?
 
2013-09-20 02:48:15 PM
When I was growing up, our neighbors homeschooled their kids. No abuse or anything, They were just really weird all around. And had pretty much zero social skills. I do remember their daughter (about 3 years older than me) running away at 16 because she couldn't take living there anymore.

She's the most normal one of the lot now. And pretty hot too.
 
2013-09-20 02:48:39 PM

Savian: Subby needs to dig up that picture so everyone else knows what the hell he/she's talking about.


It's the first hit on GIS for "Homeshooled wife"

i939.photobucket.com
 
2013-09-20 02:48:49 PM

Savian: Subby needs to dig up that picture so everyone else knows what the hell he/she's talking about.


or, you know, just GIS "homeschool fark" and get your answer that way...
/i'd lmgtfy this, but they don't do GIS...
 
2013-09-20 02:49:11 PM

ArkAngel: 70 cases. Out of approximately 2 million homeschooled students


That's only the sexual abuse. That was caught. Since 2000. And made it to a news article.
 
2013-09-20 02:49:25 PM

Chinchillazilla: Know of a girl who was regularly badly beaten by her dad while being homeschooled. She eventually got help and fled. After a few months, she was able to help her younger sister escape, too, but hadn't been able to get her younger brother out, the last I heard.

Homeschooling should be tightly regulated. Yeah, you should be able to do it, but you should be willing to let people interview your kids periodically just to make sure they aren't being isolated for nefarious reasons.


Agreed. I'm also leery of the online K-12 stuff. I knew a lot of kids who used the program because their parents couldn't be bothered to deal with them.
 
2013-09-20 02:50:20 PM
I thought posting graven images of "homeschooled Farker's wife chick" was verboten?  http://www.fark.com/comments/3449856/38571697#c38571697
 
2013-09-20 02:50:23 PM
My cousin homeschools her children because she doesn't want those "liberal teachers indoctrinating her children".  She barely graduated high school herself, she's never traveled further than her mother's-in-law house, and she gets all of her news from Christian outlets.  She once told me "You need to stop getting all of your news from CNN!" when I said that the government wasn't, in fact, collapsing.  She whips her children when they have an accident during potty training and posts at least 40 times a day to facebook.  Oh, and she's about 300 lbs and can barely waddle.  It's bad enough that she is allowed to have children, but it's even worse that she's allowed to keep them at home to teach them when she barely knows how to read and write herself.  Personally, I think you should be forced to take a test before you are allowed to teach your kids, because the teachers have to be certified to teach them...why not you?
 
2013-09-20 02:50:23 PM
Wait, racists and fundamentalists (and racist fundamentalists) tend to be child-beaters?

th03.deviantart.net
 
2013-09-20 02:50:29 PM

Luse: Fano: ArkAngel: A database of local news stories and official documents, the site is searchable by category, including Fatality, Food Deprivation, Imprisonment, Physical Abuse and Sexual Abuse. Under Sexual Abuse, to take just one of them, Doney and Coleman found almost 70 victims since 2000-and those are just cases that made the papers.

70 cases. Out of approximately 2 million homeschooled students

That's actually better odds than public school

I'm sure you can cite all the geniuses that emerge from homeschooling in the US.


George Washington, Thomas Edison, Abe Lincoln, Frederick Douglass...
 
2013-09-20 02:51:35 PM
Benjamin Banneker...
 
2013-09-20 02:52:17 PM

Chinchillazilla: Know of a girl who was regularly badly beaten by her dad while being homeschooled. She eventually got help and fled. After a few months, she was able to help her younger sister escape, too, but hadn't been able to get her younger brother out, the last I heard.

Homeschooling should be tightly regulated. Yeah, you should be able to do it, but you should be willing to let people interview your kids periodically just to make sure they aren't being isolated for nefarious reasons.


The problem is that the reason home schoolers are beaten is not because they are being home schooled--it's because the same sort of people who are more likely to home school their kids are also more likely to beat their kids.  So stopping or regulating the home schooling might not help with the beating thing.

/Was home schooled
//Wasn't beaten
///Don't recommend home schooling, but it was the only choice for me.
 
2013-09-20 02:54:25 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-09-20 02:55:23 PM

bborchar: My cousin homeschools her children because she doesn't want those "liberal teachers indoctrinating her children".


Yeah, the politics you get from "home school curricula" (A Beka Book, Bob Jones, HSI, etc) makes the tea party wing of the House of Representatives seem lucid and reasonable.
 
2013-09-20 02:55:36 PM
I support home schooling because who else is going to teach the neighborhood children that I am a demigod with supernatural powers and the direct descendent of L. Ron Hubbard?
 
2013-09-20 02:57:30 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: When people want to hide from society they usually have a reason and the reason is often evil


This is not the norm for homeschooling parents.  By far the vast majority are simply misguided weirdos.
 
2013-09-20 02:57:40 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: For the record, a GIS for "homeschooled" shows a separate gallery for "homeschooled fark"


Homeschooled is a TFette.
 
2013-09-20 02:58:11 PM
My lone homeschooling coworker (everyone else with kids sends them to school, public or private), has after many years finally relented.

His oldest had "issues" last year (at age 11) with her mom's homeschooling.  It got very, very bad.

So they put her in a small private Christian school.  Her behavior got worse.

Now they go to family counseling.  The real kind, not the "We're having the pastor of our weird non-denominational church counsel us".

I think his two oldest now go to that private school.

They had some trouble adjusting, even though they did "social" things with other homeschooled children.
 
2013-09-20 03:00:27 PM
My 2 homeschooling stories:

-The hippies next door were homeschooling their son so they wouldn't have to get him vaccinated.  He couldn't read or swim even though he was 7, but he knew an astonishing number of swear words.

-A friend's ex-wife moved their daughter out of state and in the process of "homeschooling" her, starved, tortured and maimed her to death.

Not big on homeschooling, thanks.
 
2013-09-20 03:01:06 PM

skozlaw: ArkAngel: 70 cases. Out of approximately 2 million homeschooled students

That's only the sexual abuse. That was caught. Since 2000. And made it to a news article.


And the point of the article is to point out how easy it is to keep said abuse out of the papers.
 
2013-09-20 03:01:44 PM
I'm planning on homeschooling, but I wouldn't object to some sort of evaluation process either. I have a Bachelor's in English and got a B in Calculus, so I'm pretty sure I got the scholastic subjects covered. Socially, we're planning on being active in church (we're UU, so that's not as scary as it sounds), kids will definitely be involved in music and we'll probably get them into a sport or two as well. It's not like school has anything in common now with the workplace other than the part of the day you're there and lunch hour.

We're also doing the job thing a little different. We'll see how it works out.
 
2013-09-20 03:02:49 PM
And surprisingly, other times it leads to none of that except the brighter teeth as well as an occasional student who can study courses not available at the school because he/she can take an advanced college prep one due to not having to be in a building from 8-3 pm.
 
2013-09-20 03:03:02 PM
What? No Obvious tag?  Anytime you want to isolate your children and keep them from contact with the mainstream, it is at least a Red flag that something is wrong and you are hiding something.  Now that said I know three people who home school thier kids and 1 does it because her daughter was not only sexually abused at school but the adminsitration of said school took no action until the guy was arrested in an FBI sting over what was on his computer (at a Farking QUAKER school no less), One does it because she and her kids are true square pegs that she's not eager to see pounded down by conformity (Not only does she home school them, she also grows ALL thier own food, makes their clothes etc etc -I call her a Techno-Amish)    and only one is a Fundie who is skeered of his kids learning evil bible-denying lies like evolution.

Nonetheless, I am totally okay witht he idea that any parent who decides to home school should also be okay with a quarterly visit from DSS to check on the kids
 
2013-09-20 03:04:40 PM
Hollie Maea:
The problem is that the reason home schoolers are beaten is not because they are being home schooled--it's because the same sort of people who are more likely to home school their kids are also more likely to beat their kids. So stopping or regulating the home schooling might not help with the beating thing.

Frankly it sounds like regular visits from a social worker would be needed to ensure some of these kids weren't being slowly murdered by their wackaloo parents.  But of course that would cost tax money, and is therefore evil liberal devilry.  Also it infringes on the religious freedom to ensure your offspring grow up to be semi-literates with no critical thinking skills, and therefore devoutly religious.
 
2013-09-20 03:06:32 PM

El_Frijole_Blanco: When people want to hide from society they usually have a reason and the reason is often evil


That's a pretty precise paraphrase of what I heard a couple of college girls suggest is the case for anyone who does not have a Facebook account.

/does not have a Facebook account
 
2013-09-20 03:08:39 PM
Actually, I have to correct that:

Their opinion was directed toward anyone who does not have enough personal information on their Facebook account, and does not update it regularly.

I can only assume someone like me who has no Facebook profile at all is basically somewhere in the territory between Ted Kasinski and Hitler.
 
2013-09-20 03:09:03 PM

Fano: Luse: Fano: ArkAngel: A database of local news stories and official documents, the site is searchable by category, including Fatality, Food Deprivation, Imprisonment, Physical Abuse and Sexual Abuse. Under Sexual Abuse, to take just one of them, Doney and Coleman found almost 70 victims since 2000-and those are just cases that made the papers.

70 cases. Out of approximately 2 million homeschooled students

That's actually better odds than public school

I'm sure you can cite all the geniuses that emerge from homeschooling in the US.

George Washington, Thomas Edison, Abe Lincoln, Frederick Douglass...


So nobody from this or the last century. In addition, Washington was seen as simple minded my many of his peers, Edison was a thief, con artist and general douche.. Lincoln was a president, but so was GW. Douglas, while a great man was known for his civil rights work, not great intellect. Not a genius among them, and you went back over a century for your piss poor examples.

Sounds like an amazing record indeed.
 
2013-09-20 03:10:22 PM
Peki:
Socially, we're planning on being active in church (we're UU, so that's not as scary as it sounds)

To be fair, Unitarian Universalism is barely what most people would consider "church" ;)  And I approve.
 
2013-09-20 03:10:46 PM
Nice trolly headline, Subby:

From TFA:
there's no reason to think that more than a small fraction of them are subject to severe violence.
 
2013-09-20 03:11:56 PM

Bathysphere: Chinchillazilla: Know of a girl who was regularly badly beaten by her dad while being homeschooled. She eventually got help and fled. After a few months, she was able to help her younger sister escape, too, but hadn't been able to get her younger brother out, the last I heard.

Homeschooling should be tightly regulated. Yeah, you should be able to do it, but you should be willing to let people interview your kids periodically just to make sure they aren't being isolated for nefarious reasons.

Agreed. I'm also leery of the online K-12 stuff. I knew a lot of kids who used the program because their parents couldn't be bothered to deal with them.


I work at a hybrid online/face-to-face school. We get LOTS of kids from places like K12 and Connections Academy. We also get a ton of kids who were homeschooled until high school. Honestly, they tend to be our best students - probably because their parents know their own limitations and enroll them in high school because the parents know they can't teach past a certain level. Of course, some of our worst students were also homeschooled - and are sent to us because the parent can't cope. Those students - and they truly are a minority of our homeschooled students - can barely read, have no discipline, and often refuse to do anything, knowing that their parents will do nothing about their failure. It's sad, really.

The good thing is our hybrid program means we get to see the kids at least once per week and are thus able to establish a personal connection, identify abuse (and we've seen some pretty serious abuse), and rectify the failures of homeschooling, when they've occurred.

There are some stinker online schools, though. Especially the ones that charge money or have a fundamentalist-based curriculum, which is just awful.
 
2013-09-20 03:13:16 PM

Luse: Douglas, while a great man was known for his civil rights work, not great intellect.


Lol wut?
 
2013-09-20 03:14:18 PM
I've seen homeschooling done very well and I've seen it done ...well lets just say the kid could wipe his butt on his own.
I went to a private high school and my junior year there a few of the incoming freshman were home schooled. Apparently it was a first for the school. Two of them were a little more nervous but otherwise OK. The third one, it seemed he just could not function without his mother around.  He did not last long. The first two graduated and went on to college from what I heard, never heard about the last one.

Also my buddy and his wife are home schooling their two kids and she's a teacher in the local school system. She said she felt like the system was failing and the student body was becoming more and more unruly. They are two of the more level headed, reasonable people I know (it's not saying much coming from a person such as myself). So far the kids are normal, well adjusted kids. Time will tell....
 
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